"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees."
—–Original Message—– From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Dymond Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 10:54 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: for all you new media types
> I have always loved the four letter word generator, and part of the > reason why I have a small cache of the Burroughs alphanumeric nixie > tubes > > > Patrick Lichty > - Interactive Arts & Media > Columbia College, Chicago > - Editor-In-Chief > Intelligent Agent Magazine > http://www.intelligentagent.com > 225 288 5813 > [email protected] > > "It is better to die on your feet > than to live on your knees." > > > —–Original Message—– > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Eric Dymond > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 10:54 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: for all you new media types > > Here's an old link…, > http://www.normill.ca/artpage.html > back when it was really *New* media. > Eric > + > -> post: [email protected] > -> questions: [email protected] > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > + > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the > Membership Agreement available online at > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php > and at issue here is the fact that most of the discussion re. 8 bit hacktivism or hack is assigned to be retro reinterpretation. As Norman's site makes obvious, the parameters and *New* were very different then than what is now percieved as new media. The hacks take commercial grade software from the 80's and try to emulate the minimal restrictions of the media. On the other hand, non-commercial works, art works (with a lower case a) were exploring a very different environment and were advanced and engaging. The 8 bitters (my new connotaion for the movement) are trying to understand the populist manifestation of digital art. While the commercial exploration was going on, many artists were going way beyond the minimalist attributes of commercial digital interaction, which should really be called primitive, not minimal. Using the word minimal creates a false perception of what was in the air. It was really just primitive, and thats a very different field of exploration. If Cory Arcangel's works are described as a return to primitivism, and attempt to understand the origins of the comnmercial sector, then I think thats a worthwhile cause, one we are still trying to come to term sith. But when it's called Minimal, my back arches. Minimalist work is very sophisticated, and at the end of a long dicourse in modern art of the last century. Minimal works require theses and dialogue, primitive works on the other hand are studied as artifacts.
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I have always loved the four letter word generator, and part of the
reason why I have a small cache of the Burroughs alphanumeric nixie
tubes
Patrick Lichty
- Interactive Arts & Media
Columbia College, Chicago
- Editor-In-Chief
Intelligent Agent Magazine
http://www.intelligentagent.com
225 288 5813
[email protected]
"It is better to die on your feet
than to live on your knees."
—–Original Message—–
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Eric Dymond
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 10:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: for all you new media types
Here's an old link…,
http://www.normill.ca/artpage.html
back when it was really *New* media.
Eric
+
-> post: [email protected]
-> questions: [email protected]
-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
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patrick lichty wrote:
> I have always loved the four letter word generator, and part of the
> reason why I have a small cache of the Burroughs alphanumeric nixie
> tubes
>
>
> Patrick Lichty
> - Interactive Arts & Media
> Columbia College, Chicago
> - Editor-In-Chief
> Intelligent Agent Magazine
> http://www.intelligentagent.com
> 225 288 5813
> [email protected]
>
> "It is better to die on your feet
> than to live on your knees."
>
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
> Of Eric Dymond
> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 10:54 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: for all you new media types
>
> Here's an old link…,
> http://www.normill.ca/artpage.html
> back when it was really *New* media.
> Eric
> +
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
> http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at
> http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
and at issue here is the fact that most of the discussion re. 8 bit hacktivism or hack is assigned to be retro reinterpretation.
As Norman's site makes obvious, the parameters and *New* were very different then than what is now percieved as new media.
The hacks take commercial grade software from the 80's and try to emulate the minimal restrictions of the media.
On the other hand, non-commercial works, art works (with a lower case a) were exploring a very different environment and were advanced and engaging.
The 8 bitters (my new connotaion for the movement) are trying to understand the populist manifestation of digital art.
While the commercial exploration was going on, many artists were going way beyond the minimalist attributes of commercial digital interaction, which should really be called primitive, not minimal. Using the word minimal creates a false perception of what was in the air. It was really just primitive, and thats a very different field of exploration.
If Cory Arcangel's works are described as a return to primitivism, and attempt to understand the origins of the comnmercial sector, then I think thats a worthwhile cause, one we are still trying to come to term sith. But when it's called Minimal, my back arches. Minimalist work is very sophisticated, and at the end of a long dicourse in modern art of the last century. Minimal works require theses and dialogue, primitive works on the other hand are studied as artifacts.
Eric
Eric