Griffis is genius

Ryan Griffis wrote:
>…i'm an idiot.

MANIK add:
We don't know.Are you?Ask radio B92.They are direct paid from USA fortiserb=
ian propaganda in Serbia&Europe,and also to support illegal
separatItic mowement on Serbian teritory(Kosovo).Eweriwhere are enough trai=
tor who are ready to solve own mother for couple of dolars In barbarian
violence against Kosovo Serbs(spring 2004)from side of SHIPTARS "Too bad t=
hat "Shiptar" is also the word Albanians use for Albanians."(Gooogle(http:/=
/www.chroniclesmagazine.org/HardRight/HardRight030102.htm),
also Google http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shiptar
several people from Rhizome descided to atack MANIK because they use word f=
or ethnic group of people from part of Serbian country which call them self=
"Shiptar".It was clasical Ku Klux Klan atack on MANIK and shameful rule w=
as Ryans( see his mail in 2/9/06 7:58:32 PM,send to MANIK.)
Now we have chipest heroine on the world in Serbia(20euros per gram)from Ko=
sovo heroine factoryies(whole wilages on Kosovo with Shiptar population are=
factory for revise heroine and everything's under K.F.O.R/U.S.A protectio=
n. Maybe you are going to think about what Radio B92 said(they are paid fro=
m American organisation,I forgot the name but main members are Richard Holb=
ruck,Wesley Clark,and some C.I.A leaders,everything's to avoid direct C.I.A=
involved.
Ask English police about woman traficing.Whole bussines is under Shiptars c=
ontrol.Idiots loke Ryan just can' t see
where thing going:first African-Americans after Katrin,than riot in France.=
..Than Danish comic.Do you realy need somebody to draw you your own future
You,Ryan,
have basic intelligence enough to wrote NAN,and that's it.20$ is your limit=
,and we are sure you know that deep in your pitiful "soul".Best what's happ=
ened in your miserable life is this correspondence with MANIK(against our w=
ish).
MANIK

this is interesting MANIK, thanks for the provocations. But i'm going
to pretend that you're really trying to be critical here.
OK, launch into slightly aggravated tone:
"Come on, MANIK… you've got to be kidding me.
You're equating someone disagreeing with you on a list serve to a KKK
attack is just plain irresponsible and insulting. You want to get all
upset about me not knowing a certain political context? Try being a
little more savvy about your own extra-cultural references. While all
the things you mention are certainly important, who here is claiming
absolute knowledge about something (other than you that is). Pulling
your archive of an old email thread and showing me receiving a link
someone sent in is supposed to be some kind of indictment? Really? And
you feel justified and even adequate to throw around various contexts
(xenophobia in Europe, institutional racism in the US, etc) to make
your point (whatever that may be)? And what argument did I ever have
with your use of "Shiptar" - i confess to know nothing about this
matter, and don't recall ever saying anything about it before.
And, i don't know… i'm not always happy with my life, but i wouldn't
call it miserable. though i think most of us are in for some rough
times ahead.
Anyway, if you're point is to keep your earlier posts about
Serbia/Kosovo in the mix of our discussions, that's great. i'm sure i
can learn more about what you're saying. But can't you do so without
flailing about so much? Why is everyone assumed to be your enemy?
And by the way, i'm not in NYC, and don't use heroin."

the ASCII hyperlinked dogs are great.
take care,
ryan

On Feb 9, 2006, at 5:12 PM, manik wrote:

> Ryan Griffis wrote:
> >…i'm an idiot.
>

Hi all
I had a long debate here awhile back, somewhat
acrimonious I recall, with Manik, about their use of
the racist term "shiptar" for Albanians. ( & I can't
be bothered to go into it all again here -it's all on
record, for anyone who cares to look
http://rhizome.org/print/?23606
http://rhizome.org/print/?23595
http://rhizome.org/print/?24013
& for "shiptar" see note 41 here
http://hrw.org/reports/2005/serbia1005/4.htm#_ftn41
).
It's unfortunate that their somewhat splenetic (&
often spot on) critique of the US/Britain/NATO is
marred by this. It makes it difficult to take anything
they say *politically* entirely seriously.
On the other hand honesty compels me to say I think
they are interesting , original & worthwhile
artists…
I suspect that many on this list would actually be
relatively sympathetic to some of the points they have
made here ( not all; the ad feminem- I just made that
up, I think!- attack on Marisa is, I think, entirely
uncalled for)& it's really not a very effective
political tactic to attack those who are actually
predisposed to be sympathetic to you - where I grew up
we had a saying -"Don't shit on your own doorstep".
Declaration of interest: Manik recently posted a nice
note on my vlog. I took it as something of a peace
offering & replied in kind. I remain a fan of their
work. I dislike intensely their anti Albanian racism &
I think they should be called on it. I also believe
their espousal of name calling as a method of
political & artistic debate here is to say the least
counter productive.
michael




— Ryan Griffis <[email protected]> wrote:

> this is interesting MANIK, thanks for the
> provocations. But i'm going
> to pretend that you're really trying to be critical
> here.
> OK, launch into slightly aggravated tone:
> "Come on, MANIK… you've got to be kidding me.
> You're equating someone disagreeing with you on a
> list serve to a KKK
> attack is just plain irresponsible and insulting.
> You want to get all
> upset about me not knowing a certain political
> context? Try being a
> little more savvy about your own extra-cultural
> references. While all
> the things you mention are certainly important, who
> here is claiming
> absolute knowledge about something (other than you
> that is). Pulling
> your archive of an old email thread and showing me
> receiving a link
> someone sent in is supposed to be some kind of
> indictment? Really? And
> you feel justified and even adequate to throw around
> various contexts
> (xenophobia in Europe, institutional racism in the
> US, etc) to make
> your point (whatever that may be)? And what argument
> did I ever have
> with your use of "Shiptar" - i confess to know
> nothing about this
> matter, and don't recall ever saying anything about
> it before.
> And, i don't know… i'm not always happy with my
> life, but i wouldn't
> call it miserable. though i think most of us are in
> for some rough
> times ahead.
> Anyway, if you're point is to keep your earlier
> posts about
> Serbia/Kosovo in the mix of our discussions, that's
> great. i'm sure i
> can learn more about what you're saying. But can't
> you do so without
> flailing about so much? Why is everyone assumed to
> be your enemy?
> And by the way, i'm not in NYC, and don't use
> heroin."
>
> the ASCII hyperlinked dogs are great.
> take care,
> ryan
>
> On Feb 9, 2006, at 5:12 PM, manik wrote:
>
> > Ryan Griffis wrote:
> > >…i'm an idiot.
> >