http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1211411,00.html
The last paragraph:
"The display of cruel pleasure taken in punishing Iraqi prisoners has
reverberated throughout the world, confirming in many countries the negative
stereotype of westerners as decadent and sexually obsessed. Many people have
questioned the motives and conduct of the war in Iraq, but these
pornographic images have stripped bare what little force remained in the
humanitarian rhetoric concerning the war. In the Arab world, the damage has
been done, and is irrevocable."
Bombing weddings in Afghanistan, pornographic humiliation in Iraq, murder
and outrage in the name of what? The war against terrorism? The USA is
creating more 'terrorists' and enemies than can be killed by its own
sadistic terrors.
Bush is trying to squirm out of this, but those images are what he stands
for, at home and abroad. Punishment everywhere, to foreigners and american
citizens alike. America you have your Hitler.
ja
"Torture as pornography" by Joanna Bourke
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On Monday, May 10, 2004, at 01:40PM, Jim Andrews <[email protected]> wrote:
>Bombing weddings in Afghanistan, pornographic humiliation in Iraq, murder
>and outrage in the name of what? The war against terrorism? The USA is
>creating more 'terrorists' and enemies than can be killed by its own
>sadistic terrors.
We are all Americans now. Indignation against these wars on the basis that they are not sufficiently sanitised simply confirms this.
- Rob.
I have no problem at all with Americans.
My problem is with the American and British states.
Your cynicism depresses me, Rob - the indignation is
not because the war is "not sufficiently sanitised"
but because in our millions we opposed it before it
began and because the kind of brutality we've seen was
all too predictable -look at the history of
imperialism, whether it be US, UK or Russian.
I don't think its that surprising that a war machine
whose rhetoric is "liberation" by cluster bombing
should have systemic torture at its core.
And is what we've seen over the past few days
offensive or not? -it sickens me to my stomach.
michael
— Rob Myers <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Monday, May 10, 2004, at 01:40PM, Jim Andrews
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Bombing weddings in Afghanistan, pornographic
> humiliation in Iraq, murder
> >and outrage in the name of what? The war against
> terrorism? The USA is
> >creating more 'terrorists' and enemies than can be
> killed by its own
> >sadistic terrors.
>
> We are all Americans now. Indignation against these
> wars on the basis that they are not sufficiently
> sanitised simply confirms this.
>
> - Rob.
>
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On Monday, May 10, 2004, at 02:55PM, Michael Szpakowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>I have no problem at all with Americans.
>My problem is with the American and British states.
>Your cynicism depresses me, Rob - the indignation is
>not because the war is "not sufficiently sanitised"
>but because in our millions we opposed it before it
>began and because the kind of brutality we've seen was
>all too predictable -look at the history of
>imperialism, whether it be US, UK or Russian.
>I don't think its that surprising that a war machine
>whose rhetoric is "liberation" by cluster bombing
>should have systemic torture at its core.
>And is what we've seen over the past few days
>offensive or not? -it sickens me to my stomach.
>michael
You are right.
I apologise.
It has got to me…
- Rob.