Re: Daniel Young What Is Pure Manipulation? Why Is It Reasonable?

Jan. 10, 2003

Type: discussion

DY: My feeling in both Carnivore and Gogolchat (and Mr. Highland's work) is
of being overwhelmed by incomprehensible activity.

AH: I feel this too sometimes.

DY: Is it intended to communicate meanings to those who experience it?

AH: Yes. Sometimes this becomes overwhelming and incomprehensible.

DY: I just find it all baffling and lacking in the coherence and sense of
purpose I look for in art.

AH: I also look for coherence and a sense of purpose in art. I am always
trying to achieve this in my writing.

The arbitrary data is the material. The pure manipulation is the medium. The
purpose is to make it do something
other than it was meant to do.

more later
august

—– Original Message —–
From: "Daniel Young" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:24 AM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: What Is Pure Manipulation? Why Is It Reasonable?

> I address August Highland's comment that "the pure manipulation of
arbitrary data seems a reasonable way to go" which comment came in response
to the statement by Pall Thayer that "it seems a reasonable way to go" when
"netart and computer based art in general is veering more towards the pure
manipulation of arbitrary data" and the approach of "let's see if we can
capture it and make it do something other than what it was meant to do as in
Carnivore, Gogolchat and others."
>
> My feeling in both Carnivore and Gogolchat (and Mr. Highland's work) is of
being overwhelmed by incomprehensible activity. I intend no disrespect. I
just find it all baffling and lacking in the coherence and sense of purpose
I look for in art.
>
> I would like to hear more about the goals of "pure manipulation" and what
exactly makes it a "reasonable" way to make art in this world. What are the
purposes to which it is being used? What is it drawing attention to? What is
it focusing on? Is it intended to communicate meanings to those who
experience it?
>
> Daniel Young
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Comments

2003-01-12 01:00, Vijay Pattisapu

Crushed berries, turmeric, etc, weren't originally intended to be paints…the emergence of new media historically seemed to be 'wrenched' from an original purpose, as it were. Perhaps just like man gradually began assigning meaning to certain forms he created with these pigments, or sculptures out of stone…maybe an interpretative language will emerge as the world becomes more comfortable with these new uses of data.

Vijay
> "AUGUST HIGHLAND" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Daniel Young What Is Pure Manipulation? Why Is It Reasonable?Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 18:26:55 -0800
>Reply-To: "AUGUST HIGHLAND" <[email protected]>
>
>DY: My feeling in both Carnivore and Gogolchat (and Mr. Highland's work) is
>of being overwhelmed by incomprehensible activity.
>
>AH: I feel this too sometimes.
>
>DY: Is it intended to communicate meanings to those who experience it?
>
>AH: Yes. Sometimes this becomes overwhelming and incomprehensible.
>
>DY: I just find it all baffling and lacking in the coherence and sense of
>purpose I look for in art.
>
>AH: I also look for coherence and a sense of purpose in art. I am always
>trying to achieve this in my writing.
>
>The arbitrary data is the material. The pure manipulation is the medium. The
>purpose is to make it do something
>other than it was meant to do.
>
>
>more later
>august
>
>
>—– Original Message —–
>From: "Daniel Young" <[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:24 AM
>Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: What Is Pure Manipulation? Why Is It Reasonable?
>
>
>> I address August Highland's comment that "the pure manipulation of
>arbitrary data seems a reasonable way to go" which comment came in response
>to the statement by Pall Thayer that "it seems a reasonable way to go" when
>"netart and computer based art in general is veering more towards the pure
>manipulation of arbitrary data" and the approach of "let's see if we can
>capture it and make it do something other than what it was meant to do as in
>Carnivore, Gogolchat and others."
>>
>> My feeling in both Carnivore and Gogolchat (and Mr. Highland's work) is of
>being overwhelmed by incomprehensible activity. I intend no disrespect. I
>just find it all baffling and lacking in the coherence and sense of purpose
>I look for in art.
>>
>> I would like to hear more about the goals of "pure manipulation" and what
>exactly makes it a "reasonable" way to make art in this world. What are the
>purposes to which it is being used? What is it drawing attention to? What is
>it focusing on? Is it intended to communicate meanings to those who
>experience it?
>>
>> Daniel Young
>> + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
>> -> post: [email protected]
>> -> questions: [email protected]
>> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>> +
>> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>>
>
>
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2003-01-13 01:00, Vijay Pattisapu