Yes, there are some pretty revealing txt's here…such as the Homeland security link.
I am very shocked that there are not many net artists/critics/wirters on this list that make art work regarding the issues of our times…hiding behind code is not enough, it's like hiding one's head in the sand or hiding in self - censorship. There needs to be more active statements by braver academics/writers/artists who personally wish for something different…
marc
First They Came for the Jews First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.
> Hi Jim, > > Yes, there are some pretty revealing txt's here…such as the Homeland > security link. > > I am very shocked that there are not many net artists/critics/wirters on > this list that make art work regarding the issues of our times…hiding > behind code is not enough, it's like hiding one's head in the > sand or hiding > in self - censorship. There needs to be more active statements by braver > academics/writers/artists who personally wish for something different… > > marc > > First They Came for the Jews > First they came for the Jews > and I did not speak out > because I was not a Jew. > Then they came for the Communists > and I did not speak out > because I was not a Communist. > Then they came for the trade unionists > and I did not speak out > because I was not a trade unionist. > Then they came for me > and there was no one left > to speak out for me. > > Pastor Martin Niemoller
Who are you speaking out for, above, Marc? Who are you speaking against?
> > I am very shocked that there are not many net artists/critics/wirters on > this list that make art work regarding the issues of our times…hiding > behind code is not enough, it's like hiding one's head in the sand or hiding > in self - censorship. There needs to be more active statements by braver > academics/writers/artists who personally wish for something different… > > marc > > First They Came for the Jews > First they came for the Jews > and I did not speak out > because I was not a Jew. > Then they came for the Communists > and I did not speak out > because I was not a Communist. > Then they came for the trade unionists > and I did not speak out > because I was not a trade unionist. > Then they came for me > and there was no one left > to speak out for me. > > Pastor Martin Niemoller > > > > > > > > > Censored 2004: The Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2002-2003 > > > > > > http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2004/index.html > > > > Great link, Marc, thanks. Their links are also terrific. > > > > ja > > > > "Poetry, the trick to read what can't be read, > > quick to write what can't be said." > > Gerry Gilbert > > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup > > -> post: [email protected] > > -> questions: [email protected] > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > > + > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the > > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php > > > > > > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup > -> post: [email protected] > -> questions: [email protected] > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > + > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php > >
Are there any more works by any others on this list - I would love to be proved wrong…
For Jim - there the obvious ones who have frequented the list like:- I am Speaking for Mark Cooley I am Speaking for Andy Deck I am Speaking for Joy Garnet I am Speaking for Jim Andrews I am Speaking for Alan Sondheim I am Speaking for Christina Ray I am Speaking for Eryk Salvaggio I am Speaking for MediaMixer I am Speaking for Dion Laurent I am Speaking for Andrej Tisma I am Speaking for Marc Garrett I am Speaking for Ruth Catlow I am Speaking for Arisen Slightly I am Speaking for Regina Celia Pinto [:-)]
And many others now…
My heart is beginning to feel warmer…
marc
> Hi Marc, > > Browser at: http://www.flyingpuppet.com/shock/heritage.htm > > Regina > > > > > > I am very shocked that there are not many net artists/critics/wirters on > > this list that make art work regarding the issues of our times…hiding > > behind code is not enough, it's like hiding one's head in the sand or > hiding > > in self - censorship. There needs to be more active statements by braver > > academics/writers/artists who personally wish for something different… > > > > marc > > > > First They Came for the Jews > > First they came for the Jews > > and I did not speak out > > because I was not a Jew. > > Then they came for the Communists > > and I did not speak out > > because I was not a Communist. > > Then they came for the trade unionists > > and I did not speak out > > because I was not a trade unionist. > > Then they came for me > > and there was no one left > > to speak out for me. > > > > Pastor Martin Niemoller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Censored 2004: The Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2002-2003 > > > > > > > > http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2004/index.html > > > > > > Great link, Marc, thanks. Their links are also terrific. > > > > > > ja > > > > > > "Poetry, the trick to read what can't be read, > > > quick to write what can't be said." > > > Gerry Gilbert > > > > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup > > > -> post: [email protected] > > > -> questions: [email protected] > > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > > > + > > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the > > > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup > > -> post: [email protected] > > -> questions: [email protected] > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > > + > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the > > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php > > > > > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup > -> post: [email protected] > -> questions: [email protected] > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > + > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php > >
I am only showing this piece, which I knew browsering Clauss site, what I do frequentely because I love his work. It is no mine. The authors are the french Nicolas Clauss and Jean-Jacques Birge. I thought that everybody knew that "flying puppet" is the site of Clauss. Apologies if I gave the impression tha the work was mine.
Best wishes,
Regina
—– Original Message —– From: "marc.garrett" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 10:57 AM Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: The Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2002-2003
> Thanx Regina - great stuff… > > Are there any more works by any others on this list - I would love to be > proved wrong… > > For Jim - there the obvious ones who have frequented the list like:- > I am Speaking for Mark Cooley > I am Speaking for Andy Deck > I am Speaking for Joy Garnet > I am Speaking for Jim Andrews > I am Speaking for Alan Sondheim > I am Speaking for Christina Ray > I am Speaking for Eryk Salvaggio > I am Speaking for MediaMixer > I am Speaking for Dion Laurent > I am Speaking for Andrej Tisma > I am Speaking for Marc Garrett > I am Speaking for Ruth Catlow > I am Speaking for Arisen Slightly > I am Speaking for Regina Celia Pinto [:-)] > > And many others now… > > My heart is beginning to feel warmer… > > marc > > > > > > > > > Hi Marc, > > > > Browser at: http://www.flyingpuppet.com/shock/heritage.htm > > > > Regina > > > > > > > > > > I am very shocked that there are not many net artists/critics/wirters on > > > this list that make art work regarding the issues of our times…hiding > > > behind code is not enough, it's like hiding one's head in the sand or > > hiding > > > in self - censorship. There needs to be more active statements by braver > > > academics/writers/artists who personally wish for something different… > > > > > > marc > > > > > > First They Came for the Jews > > > First they came for the Jews > > > and I did not speak out > > > because I was not a Jew. > > > Then they came for the Communists > > > and I did not speak out > > > because I was not a Communist. > > > Then they came for the trade unionists > > > and I did not speak out > > > because I was not a trade unionist. > > > Then they came for me > > > and there was no one left > > > to speak out for me. > > > > > > Pastor Martin Niemoller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Censored 2004: The Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2002-2003 > > > > > > > > > > http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2004/index.html > > > > > > > > Great link, Marc, thanks. Their links are also terrific. > > > > > > > > ja > > > > > > > > "Poetry, the trick to read what can't be read, > > > > quick to write what can't be said." > > > > Gerry Gilbert > > > > > > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup > > > > -> post: [email protected] > > > > -> questions: [email protected] > > > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > > > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > > > > + > > > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the > > > > Membership Agreement available online at > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup > > > -> post: [email protected] > > > -> questions: [email protected] > > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > > > + > > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the > > > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php > > > > > > > > > > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup > > -> post: [email protected] > > -> questions: [email protected] > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > > + > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the > > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php > > > > > > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup > -> post: [email protected] > -> questions: [email protected] > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > + > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php > >
> Hi Marc, > > I am only showing this piece, which I knew browsering Clauss site, what I do > frequentely because I love his work. It is no mine. The authors are the > french Nicolas Clauss and Jean-Jacques Birge. I thought that everybody knew > that "flying puppet" is the site of Clauss. Apologies if I gave the > impression that the work was mine. > > Best wishes, > > Regina > > —– Original Message —– > From: "marc.garrett" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 10:57 AM > Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: The Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2002-2003 > > > > Thanx Regina - great stuff… > > > > Are there any more works by any others on this list - I would love to be > > proved wrong… > > > > For Jim - there the obvious ones who have frequented the list like:- > > I am Speaking for Mark Cooley > > I am Speaking for Andy Deck > > I am Speaking for Joy Garnet > > I am Speaking for Jim Andrews > > I am Speaking for Alan Sondheim > > I am Speaking for Christina Ray > > I am Speaking for Eryk Salvaggio > > I am Speaking for MediaMixer > > I am Speaking for Dion Laurent > > I am Speaking for Andrej Tisma > > I am Speaking for Marc Garrett > > I am Speaking for Ruth Catlow > > I am Speaking for Arisen Slightly > > I am Speaking for Regina Celia Pinto [:-)] > > > > And many others now… > > > > My heart is beginning to feel warmer… > > > > marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marc, > > > > > > Browser at: http://www.flyingpuppet.com/shock/heritage.htm > > > > > > Regina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very shocked that there are not many net artists/critics/wirters > on > > > > this list that make art work regarding the issues of our > times…hiding > > > > behind code is not enough, it's like hiding one's head in the sand or > > > hiding > > > > in self - censorship. There needs to be more active statements by > braver > > > > academics/writers/artists who personally wish for something > different… > > > > > > > > marc > > > > > > > > First They Came for the Jews > > > > First they came for the Jews > > > > and I did not speak out > > > > because I was not a Jew. > > > > Then they came for the Communists > > > > and I did not speak out > > > > because I was not a Communist. > > > > Then they came for the trade unionists > > > > and I did not speak out > > > > because I was not a trade unionist. > > > > Then they came for me > > > > and there was no one left > > > > to speak out for me. > > > > > > > > Pastor Martin Niemoller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Censored 2004: The Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2002-2003 > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2004/index.html > > > > > > > > > > Great link, Marc, thanks. Their links are also terrific. > > > > > > > > > > ja > > > > > > > > > > "Poetry, the trick to read what can't be read, > > > > > quick to write what can't be said." > > > > > Gerry Gilbert > > > > > > > > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup > > > > > -> post: [email protected] > > > > > -> questions: [email protected] > > > > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: > > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > > > > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > > > > > + > > > > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the > > > > > Membership Agreement available online at > > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup > > > > -> post: [email protected] > > > > -> questions: [email protected] > > > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > > > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > > > > + > > > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the > > > > Membership Agreement available online at > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup > > > -> post: [email protected] > > > -> questions: [email protected] > > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > > > + > > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the > > > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup > > -> post: [email protected] > > -> questions: [email protected] > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > > + > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the > > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php > > > > >
An easy mistake - I'm to blame here as well in presuming so - no issue at all.
all the best…marc
> Hi Marc, > > I am only showing this piece, which I knew browsering Clauss site, what I do > frequentely because I love his work. It is no mine. The authors are the > french Nicolas Clauss and Jean-Jacques Birge. I thought that everybody knew > that "flying puppet" is the site of Clauss. Apologies if I gave the > impression tha the work was mine. > > Best wishes, > > Regina > > —– Original Message —– > From: "marc.garrett" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 10:57 AM > Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: The Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2002-2003 > > > > Thanx Regina - great stuff… > > > > Are there any more works by any others on this list - I would love to be > > proved wrong… > > > > For Jim - there the obvious ones who have frequented the list like:- > > I am Speaking for Mark Cooley > > I am Speaking for Andy Deck > > I am Speaking for Joy Garnet > > I am Speaking for Jim Andrews > > I am Speaking for Alan Sondheim > > I am Speaking for Christina Ray > > I am Speaking for Eryk Salvaggio > > I am Speaking for MediaMixer > > I am Speaking for Dion Laurent > > I am Speaking for Andrej Tisma > > I am Speaking for Marc Garrett > > I am Speaking for Ruth Catlow > > I am Speaking for Arisen Slightly > > I am Speaking for Regina Celia Pinto [:-)] > > > > And many others now… > > > > My heart is beginning to feel warmer… > > > > marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marc, > > > > > > Browser at: http://www.flyingpuppet.com/shock/heritage.htm > > > > > > Regina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very shocked that there are not many net artists/critics/wirters > on > > > > this list that make art work regarding the issues of our > times…hiding > > > > behind code is not enough, it's like hiding one's head in the sand or > > > hiding > > > > in self - censorship. There needs to be more active statements by > braver > > > > academics/writers/artists who personally wish for something > different… > > > > > > > > marc > > > > > > > > First They Came for the Jews > > > > First they came for the Jews > > > > and I did not speak out > > > > because I was not a Jew. > > > > Then they came for the Communists > > > > and I did not speak out > > > > because I was not a Communist. > > > > Then they came for the trade unionists > > > > and I did not speak out > > > > because I was not a trade unionist. > > > > Then they came for me > > > > and there was no one left > > > > to speak out for me. > > > > > > > > Pastor Martin Niemoller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Censored 2004: The Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2002-2003 > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2004/index.html > > > > > > > > > > Great link, Marc, thanks. Their links are also terrific. > > > > > > > > > > ja > > > > > > > > > > "Poetry, the trick to read what can't be read, > > > > > quick to write what can't be said." > > > > > Gerry Gilbert > > > > > > > > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup > > > > > -> post: [email protected] > > > > > -> questions: [email protected] > > > > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: > > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > > > > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > > > > > + > > > > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the > > > > > Membership Agreement available online at > > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup > > > > -> post: [email protected] > > > > -> questions: [email protected] > > > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > > > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > > > > + > > > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the > > > > Membership Agreement available online at > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup > > > -> post: [email protected] > > > -> questions: [email protected] > > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > > > + > > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the > > > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup > > -> post: [email protected] > > -> questions: [email protected] > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > > + > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the > > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php > > > > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup > -> post: [email protected] > -> questions: [email protected] > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > + > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php >
HI Marc You know, I agree 98% of the way. I'm all for people speaking out, against the war on Iraq, against the subsequent occupation in the interests of corporate America and Britain, against the whittling away of our civil liberties, against the marketisation of the world, against the fact that capital can move freely around the world but the poor ( asylum seekers, refugees) cannot. I hope and believe that within my lifetime we will tear that old world down and replace it with one that is based on fairness and decency for all. Personally I've been continuously politically active since the late seventies & I've always been absolutely clear where I stand. But is it the case then that I should make artworks that are *direct* comments on political questions? Sometimes I do ( the sequence of anti war banners I made on bannerart.org; the piece about the Gulag) but more often I ,personally, don't. Actually most of the time I have to say I think it is more *immediately* politically effective to hand out a flyer, sell a paper, attend a demonstration than it is to make an artwork. That's why I divide my time between the two activities. Does this mean that I think that making art is a luxury, a diversion? - absolutely not. For, by making works that are lead only by our imagination, we allow ourselves to dream and those dreams ,or the best of them, provide something a little less contingent and evanescent than the flyer or the newspaper. They are a enduring witness to what it means now to be a human being, in all its manifestations, and to what it *could* mean to be a human being. Art provides us with hope, vision and direction ( and for me a kind of fuel) for the other stuff. In that sense it seems to me that all genuine art contains within it the seeds of the struggle for human liberation, for in it we dare to imagine being fully human in a way that the Bushes and the Blairs and the Putins would never wish to allow. I'm delighted to join you in opposing the occupation of Iraq. Practically I hope that I'll see you and many others in the UK from this list at the Stop the War Coalition Demo against the occupation in London on the 27th of this month: http://www.stopwar.org.uk/ With Blair's current political troubles ( and with Bush again threatening Iran) this is going to be a very important event. Where I think I part company with you is in what seems to be your requirement that an index of good faith on these questions should be the making of directly political or agitational work. warmest wishes michael
— "marc.garrett" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Yes, there are some pretty revealing txt's > here…such as the Homeland > security link. > > I am very shocked that there are not many net > artists/critics/wirters on > this list that make art work regarding the issues of > our times…hiding > behind code is not enough, it's like hiding one's > head in the sand or hiding > in self - censorship. There needs to be more active > statements by braver > academics/writers/artists who personally wish for > something different… > > marc > > First They Came for the Jews > First they came for the Jews > and I did not speak out > because I was not a Jew. > Then they came for the Communists > and I did not speak out > because I was not a Communist. > Then they came for the trade unionists > and I did not speak out > because I was not a trade unionist. > Then they came for me > and there was no one left > to speak out for me. > > Pastor Martin Niemoller > > > > > > > > > Censored 2004: The Top 25 Censored Media > Stories of 2002-2003 > > > > > > > http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2004/index.html > > > > Great link, Marc, thanks. Their links are also > terrific. > > > > ja > > > > "Poetry, the trick to read what can't be read, > > quick to write what can't be said." > > Gerry Gilbert > > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup > > -> post: [email protected] > > -> questions: [email protected] > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > > + > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms > set out in the > > Membership Agreement available online at > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php > > > > > > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup > -> post: [email protected] > -> questions: [email protected] > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > + > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set > out in the > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
On another list, there's some regurge and mastication of Adorno's statement that after Auschwitz, there can be no more lyric poetry, that it is a variety of barbarism to write in such a way in a world in which such atrocity is ongoing.
Yet a world without lyric, without song, what's that?
Those capable of making art that is uplifting should not be dissuaded from it.
It doesn't necessitate turning a blind eye to troubles.
Lyricism and poetry in general should be capable of modulation through the full range of our experience, through all the dimensions of language.
> World of information vs.world of reflection…Fact instead > imagination…Parole(wrote language)vs.image…Creativity is > subversive…Those are reason for non-creative people to be afraid of > poetry,of sublime and thoughtfulness.Direct fight against > injustice is duty > for people who want to fell free. > Be continued… > Best regard > MANIK
That's beautiful, Manik. Best regards to you, also.
ja
"Whoever spits the pain from their throat is beginning to love the flame in their hands." Louis Hammer
That is it: In art there is no rules. It is just because of this I am artist. The artist makes his/hers own rules… and sometimes, even though we are not being clearly political, we are being, it is the case of the bathrooms (http://arteonline.arq.br/museu/bathroom ) of the Museum of the Essential and Beyond That, of the museum (http://arteonline.arq.br ) in your all and of all colab works done today, like Paris Connection (http://arteonline.arq.br/Paris), for example. For an artist be politicized is not necessary to show the nude and raw reality. Although that also is not prohibited. In this list we have had lately a beautiful contribution of Manik, that shows the raw reality poetically. We will be launching his complete series of "museums for beginners" in the news of Spring (southern hemisphere) and Autumn (nothern hemisphere) of the *our* museum. And we are waiting for lots of contributions for the restaurant of the museum, food recipes can be a very political or poetical subject… In art everything can be another thing, for me it is just the mistery and the reason for Art keeps artists in its sweet prision.
You all will know the restaurant soon, perhaps this week. It is placed on the terrace of the virtual museum and has a rotative dome to show all the cyberspace and the beautiful diversity of the Art on the Web!
Last, but not least, as I have said some days ago:
""The most revolutionary act one can commit in our world nowadays is to be happy."
Yesterday, here in my beautiful city, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, we have a manifastion asking for the disarmament.
—– Original Message —– From: "Jim Andrews" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:32 AM Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: The Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2002-2003
> On another list, there's some regurge and mastication of Adorno's statement > that after Auschwitz, there can be no more lyric poetry, that it is a > variety of barbarism to write in such a way in a world in which such > atrocity is ongoing. > > Yet a world without lyric, without song, what's that? > > Those capable of making art that is uplifting should not be dissuaded from > it. > > It doesn't necessitate turning a blind eye to troubles. > > Lyricism and poetry in general should be capable of modulation through the > full range of our experience, through all the dimensions of language. > > ja > http://vispo.com > > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup > -> post: [email protected] > -> questions: [email protected] > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > + > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php > >
World of information vs.world of reflection…Fact instead imagination…Parole(wrote language)vs.image…Creativity is subversive…Those are reason for non-creative people to be afraid of poetry,of sublime and thoughtfulness.Direct fight against injustice is duty for people who want to fell free. Be continued… Best regard MANIK
—– Original Message —– From: "Jim Andrews" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 8:32 AM Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: The Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2002-2003
> On another list, there's some regurge and mastication of Adorno's statement > that after Auschwitz, there can be no more lyric poetry, that it is a > variety of barbarism to write in such a way in a world in which such > atrocity is ongoing. > > Yet a world without lyric, without song, what's that? > > Those capable of making art that is uplifting should not be dissuaded from > it. > > It doesn't necessitate turning a blind eye to troubles. > > Lyricism and poetry in general should be capable of modulation through the > full range of our experience, through all the dimensions of language. > > ja > http://vispo.com > > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup > -> post: [email protected] > -> questions: [email protected] > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > + > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php >
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> Censored 2004: The Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2002-2003
>
> http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2004/index.html
Great link, Marc, thanks. Their links are also terrific.
ja
"Poetry, the trick to read what can't be read,
quick to write what can't be said."
Gerry Gilbert
Hi Jim,
Yes, there are some pretty revealing txt's here…such as the Homeland
security link.
I am very shocked that there are not many net artists/critics/wirters on
this list that make art work regarding the issues of our times…hiding
behind code is not enough, it's like hiding one's head in the sand or hiding
in self - censorship. There needs to be more active statements by braver
academics/writers/artists who personally wish for something different…
marc
First They Came for the Jews
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemoller
>
> > Censored 2004: The Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2002-2003
> >
> > http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2004/index.html
>
> Great link, Marc, thanks. Their links are also terrific.
>
> ja
>
> "Poetry, the trick to read what can't be read,
> quick to write what can't be said."
> Gerry Gilbert
>
> + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Yes, there are some pretty revealing txt's here…such as the Homeland
> security link.
>
> I am very shocked that there are not many net artists/critics/wirters on
> this list that make art work regarding the issues of our times…hiding
> behind code is not enough, it's like hiding one's head in the
> sand or hiding
> in self - censorship. There needs to be more active statements by braver
> academics/writers/artists who personally wish for something different…
>
> marc
>
> First They Came for the Jews
> First they came for the Jews
> and I did not speak out
> because I was not a Jew.
> Then they came for the Communists
> and I did not speak out
> because I was not a Communist.
> Then they came for the trade unionists
> and I did not speak out
> because I was not a trade unionist.
> Then they came for me
> and there was no one left
> to speak out for me.
>
> Pastor Martin Niemoller
Who are you speaking out for, above, Marc? Who are you speaking against?
ja
Hi Marc,
Browser at: http://www.flyingpuppet.com/shock/heritage.htm
Regina
>
> I am very shocked that there are not many net artists/critics/wirters on
> this list that make art work regarding the issues of our times…hiding
> behind code is not enough, it's like hiding one's head in the sand or
hiding
> in self - censorship. There needs to be more active statements by braver
> academics/writers/artists who personally wish for something different…
>
> marc
>
> First They Came for the Jews
> First they came for the Jews
> and I did not speak out
> because I was not a Jew.
> Then they came for the Communists
> and I did not speak out
> because I was not a Communist.
> Then they came for the trade unionists
> and I did not speak out
> because I was not a trade unionist.
> Then they came for me
> and there was no one left
> to speak out for me.
>
> Pastor Martin Niemoller
>
>
>
>
> >
> > > Censored 2004: The Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2002-2003
> > >
> > > http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2004/index.html
> >
> > Great link, Marc, thanks. Their links are also terrific.
> >
> > ja
> >
> > "Poetry, the trick to read what can't be read,
> > quick to write what can't be said."
> > Gerry Gilbert
> >
> > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
> > -> post: [email protected]
> > -> questions: [email protected]
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > +
> > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >
> >
>
>
>
> + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
Thanx Regina - great stuff…
Are there any more works by any others on this list - I would love to be
proved wrong…
For Jim - there the obvious ones who have frequented the list like:-
I am Speaking for Mark Cooley
I am Speaking for Andy Deck
I am Speaking for Joy Garnet
I am Speaking for Jim Andrews
I am Speaking for Alan Sondheim
I am Speaking for Christina Ray
I am Speaking for Eryk Salvaggio
I am Speaking for MediaMixer
I am Speaking for Dion Laurent
I am Speaking for Andrej Tisma
I am Speaking for Marc Garrett
I am Speaking for Ruth Catlow
I am Speaking for Arisen Slightly
I am Speaking for Regina Celia Pinto [:-)]
And many others now…
My heart is beginning to feel warmer…
marc
> Hi Marc,
>
> Browser at: http://www.flyingpuppet.com/shock/heritage.htm
>
> Regina
>
>
> >
> > I am very shocked that there are not many net artists/critics/wirters on
> > this list that make art work regarding the issues of our times…hiding
> > behind code is not enough, it's like hiding one's head in the sand or
> hiding
> > in self - censorship. There needs to be more active statements by braver
> > academics/writers/artists who personally wish for something different…
> >
> > marc
> >
> > First They Came for the Jews
> > First they came for the Jews
> > and I did not speak out
> > because I was not a Jew.
> > Then they came for the Communists
> > and I did not speak out
> > because I was not a Communist.
> > Then they came for the trade unionists
> > and I did not speak out
> > because I was not a trade unionist.
> > Then they came for me
> > and there was no one left
> > to speak out for me.
> >
> > Pastor Martin Niemoller
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > Censored 2004: The Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2002-2003
> > > >
> > > > http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2004/index.html
> > >
> > > Great link, Marc, thanks. Their links are also terrific.
> > >
> > > ja
> > >
> > > "Poetry, the trick to read what can't be read,
> > > quick to write what can't be said."
> > > Gerry Gilbert
> > >
> > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
> > > -> post: [email protected]
> > > -> questions: [email protected]
> > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > > +
> > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > > Membership Agreement available online at
http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
> > -> post: [email protected]
> > -> questions: [email protected]
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > +
> > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >
> >
>
>
> + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
Hi Marc,
I am only showing this piece, which I knew browsering Clauss site, what I do
frequentely because I love his work. It is no mine. The authors are the
french Nicolas Clauss and Jean-Jacques Birge. I thought that everybody knew
that "flying puppet" is the site of Clauss. Apologies if I gave the
impression tha the work was mine.
Best wishes,
Regina
—– Original Message —–
From: "marc.garrett" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: The Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2002-2003
> Thanx Regina - great stuff…
>
> Are there any more works by any others on this list - I would love to be
> proved wrong…
>
> For Jim - there the obvious ones who have frequented the list like:-
> I am Speaking for Mark Cooley
> I am Speaking for Andy Deck
> I am Speaking for Joy Garnet
> I am Speaking for Jim Andrews
> I am Speaking for Alan Sondheim
> I am Speaking for Christina Ray
> I am Speaking for Eryk Salvaggio
> I am Speaking for MediaMixer
> I am Speaking for Dion Laurent
> I am Speaking for Andrej Tisma
> I am Speaking for Marc Garrett
> I am Speaking for Ruth Catlow
> I am Speaking for Arisen Slightly
> I am Speaking for Regina Celia Pinto [:-)]
>
> And many others now…
>
> My heart is beginning to feel warmer…
>
> marc
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Marc,
> >
> > Browser at: http://www.flyingpuppet.com/shock/heritage.htm
> >
> > Regina
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I am very shocked that there are not many net artists/critics/wirters
on
> > > this list that make art work regarding the issues of our
times…hiding
> > > behind code is not enough, it's like hiding one's head in the sand or
> > hiding
> > > in self - censorship. There needs to be more active statements by
braver
> > > academics/writers/artists who personally wish for something
different…
> > >
> > > marc
> > >
> > > First They Came for the Jews
> > > First they came for the Jews
> > > and I did not speak out
> > > because I was not a Jew.
> > > Then they came for the Communists
> > > and I did not speak out
> > > because I was not a Communist.
> > > Then they came for the trade unionists
> > > and I did not speak out
> > > because I was not a trade unionist.
> > > Then they came for me
> > > and there was no one left
> > > to speak out for me.
> > >
> > > Pastor Martin Niemoller
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > Censored 2004: The Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2002-2003
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2004/index.html
> > > >
> > > > Great link, Marc, thanks. Their links are also terrific.
> > > >
> > > > ja
> > > >
> > > > "Poetry, the trick to read what can't be read,
> > > > quick to write what can't be said."
> > > > Gerry Gilbert
> > > >
> > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
> > > > -> post: [email protected]
> > > > -> questions: [email protected]
> > > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
> http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > > > +
> > > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > > > Membership Agreement available online at
> http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
> > > -> post: [email protected]
> > > -> questions: [email protected]
> > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
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> > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > > +
> > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > > Membership Agreement available online at
http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
> > -> post: [email protected]
> > -> questions: [email protected]
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > +
> > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
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> >
> >
>
>
>
> + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
> Hi Marc,
>
> I am only showing this piece, which I knew browsering Clauss site, what I
do
> frequentely because I love his work. It is no mine. The authors are the
> french Nicolas Clauss and Jean-Jacques Birge. I thought that everybody
knew
> that "flying puppet" is the site of Clauss. Apologies if I gave the
> impression that the work was mine.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Regina
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "marc.garrett" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 10:57 AM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: The Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2002-2003
>
>
> > Thanx Regina - great stuff…
> >
> > Are there any more works by any others on this list - I would love to be
> > proved wrong…
> >
> > For Jim - there the obvious ones who have frequented the list like:-
> > I am Speaking for Mark Cooley
> > I am Speaking for Andy Deck
> > I am Speaking for Joy Garnet
> > I am Speaking for Jim Andrews
> > I am Speaking for Alan Sondheim
> > I am Speaking for Christina Ray
> > I am Speaking for Eryk Salvaggio
> > I am Speaking for MediaMixer
> > I am Speaking for Dion Laurent
> > I am Speaking for Andrej Tisma
> > I am Speaking for Marc Garrett
> > I am Speaking for Ruth Catlow
> > I am Speaking for Arisen Slightly
> > I am Speaking for Regina Celia Pinto [:-)]
> >
> > And many others now…
> >
> > My heart is beginning to feel warmer…
> >
> > marc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hi Marc,
> > >
> > > Browser at: http://www.flyingpuppet.com/shock/heritage.htm
> > >
> > > Regina
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I am very shocked that there are not many net
artists/critics/wirters
> on
> > > > this list that make art work regarding the issues of our
> times…hiding
> > > > behind code is not enough, it's like hiding one's head in the sand
or
> > > hiding
> > > > in self - censorship. There needs to be more active statements by
> braver
> > > > academics/writers/artists who personally wish for something
> different…
> > > >
> > > > marc
> > > >
> > > > First They Came for the Jews
> > > > First they came for the Jews
> > > > and I did not speak out
> > > > because I was not a Jew.
> > > > Then they came for the Communists
> > > > and I did not speak out
> > > > because I was not a Communist.
> > > > Then they came for the trade unionists
> > > > and I did not speak out
> > > > because I was not a trade unionist.
> > > > Then they came for me
> > > > and there was no one left
> > > > to speak out for me.
> > > >
> > > > Pastor Martin Niemoller
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Censored 2004: The Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2002-2003
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2004/index.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Great link, Marc, thanks. Their links are also terrific.
> > > > >
> > > > > ja
> > > > >
> > > > > "Poetry, the trick to read what can't be read,
> > > > > quick to write what can't be said."
> > > > > Gerry Gilbert
> > > > >
> > > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
> > > > > -> post: [email protected]
> > > > > -> questions: [email protected]
> > > > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
> > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > > > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > > > > +
> > > > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > > > > Membership Agreement available online at
> > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
> > > > -> post: [email protected]
> > > > -> questions: [email protected]
> > > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
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> > > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > > > +
> > > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > > > Membership Agreement available online at
> http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
> > > -> post: [email protected]
> > > -> questions: [email protected]
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> > -> post: [email protected]
> > -> questions: [email protected]
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> >
> >
>
Hi Regina…
An easy mistake - I'm to blame here as well in presuming so - no issue at
all.
all the best…marc
> Hi Marc,
>
> I am only showing this piece, which I knew browsering Clauss site, what I
do
> frequentely because I love his work. It is no mine. The authors are the
> french Nicolas Clauss and Jean-Jacques Birge. I thought that everybody
knew
> that "flying puppet" is the site of Clauss. Apologies if I gave the
> impression tha the work was mine.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Regina
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "marc.garrett" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 10:57 AM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: The Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2002-2003
>
>
> > Thanx Regina - great stuff…
> >
> > Are there any more works by any others on this list - I would love to be
> > proved wrong…
> >
> > For Jim - there the obvious ones who have frequented the list like:-
> > I am Speaking for Mark Cooley
> > I am Speaking for Andy Deck
> > I am Speaking for Joy Garnet
> > I am Speaking for Jim Andrews
> > I am Speaking for Alan Sondheim
> > I am Speaking for Christina Ray
> > I am Speaking for Eryk Salvaggio
> > I am Speaking for MediaMixer
> > I am Speaking for Dion Laurent
> > I am Speaking for Andrej Tisma
> > I am Speaking for Marc Garrett
> > I am Speaking for Ruth Catlow
> > I am Speaking for Arisen Slightly
> > I am Speaking for Regina Celia Pinto [:-)]
> >
> > And many others now…
> >
> > My heart is beginning to feel warmer…
> >
> > marc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hi Marc,
> > >
> > > Browser at: http://www.flyingpuppet.com/shock/heritage.htm
> > >
> > > Regina
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I am very shocked that there are not many net
artists/critics/wirters
> on
> > > > this list that make art work regarding the issues of our
> times…hiding
> > > > behind code is not enough, it's like hiding one's head in the sand
or
> > > hiding
> > > > in self - censorship. There needs to be more active statements by
> braver
> > > > academics/writers/artists who personally wish for something
> different…
> > > >
> > > > marc
> > > >
> > > > First They Came for the Jews
> > > > First they came for the Jews
> > > > and I did not speak out
> > > > because I was not a Jew.
> > > > Then they came for the Communists
> > > > and I did not speak out
> > > > because I was not a Communist.
> > > > Then they came for the trade unionists
> > > > and I did not speak out
> > > > because I was not a trade unionist.
> > > > Then they came for me
> > > > and there was no one left
> > > > to speak out for me.
> > > >
> > > > Pastor Martin Niemoller
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Censored 2004: The Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2002-2003
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2004/index.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Great link, Marc, thanks. Their links are also terrific.
> > > > >
> > > > > ja
> > > > >
> > > > > "Poetry, the trick to read what can't be read,
> > > > > quick to write what can't be said."
> > > > > Gerry Gilbert
> > > > >
> > > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
> > > > > -> post: [email protected]
> > > > > -> questions: [email protected]
> > > > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
> > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
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HI Marc
You know, I agree 98% of the way.
I'm all for people speaking out, against the war on
Iraq, against the subsequent occupation in the
interests of corporate America and Britain, against
the whittling away of our civil liberties, against the
marketisation of the world, against the fact that
capital can move freely around the world but the poor
( asylum seekers, refugees) cannot.
I hope and believe that within my lifetime we will
tear that old world down and replace it with one that
is based on fairness and decency for all.
Personally I've been continuously politically active
since the late seventies & I've always been absolutely
clear where I stand.
But is it the case then that I should make artworks
that are *direct* comments on political questions?
Sometimes I do ( the sequence of anti war banners I
made on bannerart.org; the piece about the Gulag) but
more often I ,personally, don't.
Actually most of the time I have to say I think it is
more *immediately* politically effective to hand out a
flyer, sell a paper, attend a demonstration than it is
to make an artwork.
That's why I divide my time between the two
activities.
Does this mean that I think that making art is a
luxury, a diversion? - absolutely not.
For, by making works that are lead only by our
imagination, we allow ourselves to dream and those
dreams ,or the best of them, provide something a
little less contingent and evanescent than the flyer
or the newspaper.
They are a enduring witness to what it means now to be
a human being, in all its manifestations, and to what
it *could* mean to be a human being.
Art provides us with hope, vision and direction ( and
for me a kind of fuel) for the other stuff.
In that sense it seems to me that all genuine art
contains within it the seeds of the struggle for human
liberation, for in it we dare to imagine being fully
human in a way that the Bushes and the Blairs and the
Putins would never wish to allow.
I'm delighted to join you in opposing the occupation
of Iraq. Practically I hope that I'll see you and many
others in the UK from this list at the Stop the War
Coalition Demo against the occupation in London on the
27th of this month:
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/
With Blair's current political troubles ( and with
Bush again threatening Iran) this is going to be a
very important event.
Where I think I part company with you is in what seems
to be your requirement that an index of good faith on
these questions should be the making of directly
political or agitational work.
warmest wishes
michael
— "marc.garrett" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> Yes, there are some pretty revealing txt's
> here…such as the Homeland
> security link.
>
> I am very shocked that there are not many net
> artists/critics/wirters on
> this list that make art work regarding the issues of
> our times…hiding
> behind code is not enough, it's like hiding one's
> head in the sand or hiding
> in self - censorship. There needs to be more active
> statements by braver
> academics/writers/artists who personally wish for
> something different…
>
> marc
>
> First They Came for the Jews
> First they came for the Jews
> and I did not speak out
> because I was not a Jew.
> Then they came for the Communists
> and I did not speak out
> because I was not a Communist.
> Then they came for the trade unionists
> and I did not speak out
> because I was not a trade unionist.
> Then they came for me
> and there was no one left
> to speak out for me.
>
> Pastor Martin Niemoller
>
>
>
>
> >
> > > Censored 2004: The Top 25 Censored Media
> Stories of 2002-2003
> > >
> > >
>
http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2004/index.html
> >
> > Great link, Marc, thanks. Their links are also
> terrific.
> >
> > ja
> >
> > "Poetry, the trick to read what can't be read,
> > quick to write what can't be said."
> > Gerry Gilbert
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On another list, there's some regurge and mastication of Adorno's statement
that after Auschwitz, there can be no more lyric poetry, that it is a
variety of barbarism to write in such a way in a world in which such
atrocity is ongoing.
Yet a world without lyric, without song, what's that?
Those capable of making art that is uplifting should not be dissuaded from
it.
It doesn't necessitate turning a blind eye to troubles.
Lyricism and poetry in general should be capable of modulation through the
full range of our experience, through all the dimensions of language.
ja
http://vispo.com
> World of information vs.world of reflection…Fact instead
> imagination…Parole(wrote language)vs.image…Creativity is
> subversive…Those are reason for non-creative people to be afraid of
> poetry,of sublime and thoughtfulness.Direct fight against
> injustice is duty
> for people who want to fell free.
> Be continued…
> Best regard
> MANIK
That's beautiful, Manik. Best regards to you, also.
ja
"Whoever spits the pain from their throat is beginning to love the flame in
their hands."
Louis Hammer
Hi Jim,
That is it:
In art there is no rules. It is just because of this I am artist.
The artist makes his/hers own rules… and sometimes, even though we are not
being clearly political, we are being, it is the case of the bathrooms
(http://arteonline.arq.br/museu/bathroom ) of the Museum of the Essential
and Beyond That, of the museum (http://arteonline.arq.br ) in your all and
of all colab works done today, like Paris Connection
(http://arteonline.arq.br/Paris), for example. For an artist be politicized
is not necessary to show the nude and raw reality. Although that also is not
prohibited. In this list we have had lately a beautiful contribution of
Manik, that shows the raw reality poetically. We will be launching his
complete series of "museums for beginners" in the news of Spring (southern
hemisphere) and Autumn (nothern hemisphere) of the *our* museum. And we are
waiting for lots of contributions for the restaurant of the museum, food
recipes can be a very political or poetical subject… In art everything can
be another thing, for me it is just the mistery and the reason for Art keeps
artists in its sweet prision.
You all will know the restaurant soon, perhaps this week. It is placed on
the terrace of the virtual museum and has a rotative dome to show all the
cyberspace and the beautiful diversity of the Art on the Web!
Last, but not least, as I have said some days ago:
""The most revolutionary act one can commit in our world nowadays is to be
happy."
Yesterday, here in my beautiful city, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, we have a
manifastion asking for the disarmament.
Regina Celia Pinto
http://arteonline.arq.br
PS: To one who do not know me, I forgot to say that I have three very
political works:
Book of Sand> http://www.iis.com.br/~regvampi/arteonline4/mainintro.htm
Sabia Virtuality> http://www.arteonline.arq.br/Virtualidade
Paris / Rio de Janeiro Gallery> http://arteonline.arq.br (go down by scrool
rolls)
—– Original Message —–
From: "Jim Andrews" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:32 AM
Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: The Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2002-2003
> On another list, there's some regurge and mastication of Adorno's
statement
> that after Auschwitz, there can be no more lyric poetry, that it is a
> variety of barbarism to write in such a way in a world in which such
> atrocity is ongoing.
>
> Yet a world without lyric, without song, what's that?
>
> Those capable of making art that is uplifting should not be dissuaded from
> it.
>
> It doesn't necessitate turning a blind eye to troubles.
>
> Lyricism and poetry in general should be capable of modulation through the
> full range of our experience, through all the dimensions of language.
>
> ja
> http://vispo.com
>
>
>
> + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
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>
World of information vs.world of reflection…Fact instead
imagination…Parole(wrote language)vs.image…Creativity is
subversive…Those are reason for non-creative people to be afraid of
poetry,of sublime and thoughtfulness.Direct fight against injustice is duty
for people who want to fell free.
Be continued…
Best regard
MANIK
—– Original Message —–
From: "Jim Andrews" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 8:32 AM
Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: The Top 25 Censored Media Stories of 2002-2003
> On another list, there's some regurge and mastication of Adorno's
statement
> that after Auschwitz, there can be no more lyric poetry, that it is a
> variety of barbarism to write in such a way in a world in which such
> atrocity is ongoing.
>
> Yet a world without lyric, without song, what's that?
>
> Those capable of making art that is uplifting should not be dissuaded from
> it.
>
> It doesn't necessitate turning a blind eye to troubles.
>
> Lyricism and poetry in general should be capable of modulation through the
> full range of our experience, through all the dimensions of language.
>
> ja
> http://vispo.com
>
>
>
> + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
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