No shit!

Take a common attitude among artists ("I HATE having to kiss the curator's ass
just to get a show") and make it literal. Ingenious. Or, if I were to be
perfectly honest and not sarcastic at all, the most conceptually boring thing
I've seen just about EVER. In fact, it was so uninteresting, I can't believe
we're having a conversation about it, even in that
sarcastic-pomo-I'm-making-fun-of-it-by-pretending-to-like-it sort of way.
-Alexis



On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, manik wrote:

::Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:38:13 +0100
::From: manik <[email protected]>
::To: [email protected]
::Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: No shit!
::
::Knees!
::Feet?!
::No shit!
::You are forgeten tiny clerk in big dying machine.Nothing more,or less.Without ethic,obligation,emotion,ego,id-super,consciousness,unconsciousness…
::Cheers
::MANIK
::
::
::
::
::From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
::Of manik
::Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 2:23 PM
::To: [email protected]
::Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Artists Lick Curators Ass at Higher Institute
::For Fine Arts!
::
::
::
::
::Partick wrote:
::Yes, as an independent curator, I think this sort of work is innovative,
::and could signal a very pleasant shift in engaging with the subject.
::
::Very good!
::
::"It is better to die on your feet
::than to live on your knees."
::
::MANIK wrote:
::
::
::As an independent curator which poze you suggest to artist
::for licking Curators Ass?On knees?
::Or you sugest new pose to keep your motto in area of self-satisfied
::illusion?
::Best
::MANIK
::
::Patrick wrote:
::Absolutely!
::
::Maybe when I'm an artist, maybe I could lick, and then also when I
::curate we could try different positions, anything that would be best for
::the artist.
::Or maybe we could play artist/curator tuchus-lick Twister.
::
::Interesting.
::
::"It is better to kiss on your feet
::than to lick on your knees."
::(Lovely!I can say "It is better to kill…etc).
::
::MANIK wrote:
::I don't thing it's just "interesting".Whole story started with curator/artist relationship.
::"New logic"(derivative
::from"New World order"),as I see is based on twisted terminology which make subject
::which make(producer)with subject which exploit(exploiter)equal and put them in funny logic;
::producer(worker,artist…)should be in state of immanent/permanent gratitude because
::exploiter exist to give him(producer)reason to exist(lick his ass).That describe Judith Butler's term"Verwerfung"
::( rejected).She talk about whole class of people who existed in "grey zone",inhabitant zone and they existence is
::imperceptible,hidden,but without them it's impossible to build Subject(one who role,master,you my friend,part of "Main Subject"-U.S.A|J.Habermas|).
::And man who want to be out of boring/decadent idea crush have to take *position*toward two main dilemma:
::are you asshole or tongue,are you shit or you eat shit?That way it seems like same position but it's just chimerical.
::"Full don't understand hungry."
::You are full one.
::This "Kama-Sutra",with changing positions between curator and artist is decadent rich man game.Stupid,irresponsibility&
::pathetic.Are you part of it?
::Knees!
::Feet?!
::No shit!
::I don't believe you when you say that you want to do all the best for artist.
::Why don't you pay than for my "NEW PAGE IN ART HISTORY"in"Intelligent agent",you never ask me for permission to take my work even.
::My offer for your text was worthy 50$for few sentences but I didn't told you that because I was curious to see your reaction.Did you react like man who love art no meter from where artist coming from?You never answer on my proposal because you don't want to work for free?
::But my work you take for free…and you talk about position between artist and curator.Maybe you want me to publish all our correspondence?I doubt.I strongly recommended you to avoid in the future your grotesque slogan:
::" "It is better to die on your feet
::than to live on your knees."
::You are tiny clerk in big dying machine.Nothing more,or less.
::Cheers
::MANIK
::
::
::

Perhaps sometimes, we take ourselves too seriously - it was funny.

Not high art, but so what!

marc



>Take a common attitude among artists ("I HATE having to kiss the curator's ass
>just to get a show") and make it literal. Ingenious. Or, if I were to be
>perfectly honest and not sarcastic at all, the most conceptually boring thing
>I've seen just about EVER. In fact, it was so uninteresting, I can't believe
>we're having a conversation about it, even in that
>sarcastic-pomo-I'm-making-fun-of-it-by-pretending-to-like-it sort of way.
>-Alexis
>
>
>
>On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, manik wrote:
>
>::Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:38:13 +0100
>::From: manik <[email protected]>
>::To: [email protected]
>::Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: No shit!
>::
>::Knees!
>::Feet?!
>::No shit!
>::You are forgeten tiny clerk in big dying machine.Nothing more,or less.Without ethic,obligation,emotion,ego,id-super,consciousness,unconsciousness…
>::Cheers
>::MANIK
>::
>::
>::
>::
>::From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
>::Of manik
>::Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 2:23 PM
>::To: [email protected]
>::Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Artists Lick Curators Ass at Higher Institute
>::For Fine Arts!
>::
>::
>::
>::
>::Partick wrote:
>::Yes, as an independent curator, I think this sort of work is innovative,
>::and could signal a very pleasant shift in engaging with the subject.
>::
>::Very good!
>::
>::"It is better to die on your feet
>::than to live on your knees."
>::
>::MANIK wrote:
>::
>::
>::As an independent curator which poze you suggest to artist
>::for licking Curators Ass?On knees?
>::Or you sugest new pose to keep your motto in area of self-satisfied
>::illusion?
>::Best
>::MANIK
>::
>::Patrick wrote:
>::Absolutely!
>::
>::Maybe when I'm an artist, maybe I could lick, and then also when I
>::curate we could try different positions, anything that would be best for
>::the artist.
>::Or maybe we could play artist/curator tuchus-lick Twister.
>::
>::Interesting.
>::
>::"It is better to kiss on your feet
>::than to lick on your knees."
>::(Lovely!I can say "It is better to kill…etc).
>::
>::MANIK wrote:
>::I don't thing it's just "interesting".Whole story started with curator/artist relationship.
>::"New logic"(derivative
>::from"New World order"),as I see is based on twisted terminology which make subject
>::which make(producer)with subject which exploit(exploiter)equal and put them in funny logic;
>::producer(worker,artist…)should be in state of immanent/permanent gratitude because
>::exploiter exist to give him(producer)reason to exist(lick his ass).That describe Judith Butler's term"Verwerfung"
>::( rejected).She talk about whole class of people who existed in "grey zone",inhabitant zone and they existence is
>::imperceptible,hidden,but without them it's impossible to build Subject(one who role,master,you my friend,part of "Main Subject"-U.S.A|J.Habermas|).
>::And man who want to be out of boring/decadent idea crush have to take *position*toward two main dilemma:
>::are you asshole or tongue,are you shit or you eat shit?That way it seems like same position but it's just chimerical.
>::"Full don't understand hungry."
>::You are full one.
>::This "Kama-Sutra",with changing positions between curator and artist is decadent rich man game.Stupid,irresponsibility&
>::pathetic.Are you part of it?
>::Knees!
>::Feet?!
>::No shit!
>::I don't believe you when you say that you want to do all the best for artist.
>::Why don't you pay than for my "NEW PAGE IN ART HISTORY"in"Intelligent agent",you never ask me for permission to take my work even.
>::My offer for your text was worthy 50$for few sentences but I didn't told you that because I was curious to see your reaction.Did you react like man who love art no meter from where artist coming from?You never answer on my proposal because you don't want to work for free?
>::But my work you take for free…and you talk about position between artist and curator.Maybe you want me to publish all our correspondence?I doubt.I strongly recommended you to avoid in the future your grotesque slogan:
>::" "It is better to die on your feet
>::than to live on your knees."
>::You are tiny clerk in big dying machine.Nothing more,or less.
>::Cheers
>::MANIK
>::
>::
>::
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marc garrett wrote:

> Perhaps sometimes, we take ourselves too seriously - it was funny.
It made me laugh as well, and it was so done in a perfect deadpan manner.
There is a nostalgic futurism to Mank's reaction though, and that's refreshing too. Or is it just speedy?
Eric

>
> Not high art, but so what!
>
> marc
>
>
>
> >Take a common attitude among artists ("I HATE having to kiss the
> curator's ass
> >just to get a show") and make it literal. Ingenious. Or, if I were
> to be
> >perfectly honest and not sarcastic at all, the most conceptually
> boring thing
> >I've seen just about EVER. In fact, it was so uninteresting, I can't
> believe
> >we're having a conversation about it, even in that
> >sarcastic-pomo-I'm-making-fun-of-it-by-pretending-to-like-it sort of
> way.
> >-Alexis
> >
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, manik wrote:
> >
> >::Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:38:13 +0100
> >::From: manik <[email protected]>
> >::To: [email protected]
> >::Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: No shit!
> >::
> >::Knees!
> >::Feet?!
> >::No shit!
> >::You are forgeten tiny clerk in big dying machine.Nothing more,or
> less.Without
> ethic,obligation,emotion,ego,id-super,consciousness,unconsciousness…
> >::Cheers
> >::MANIK
> >::
> >::
> >::
> >::
> >::From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf
> >::Of manik
> >::Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 2:23 PM
> >::To: [email protected]
> >::Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Artists Lick Curators Ass at Higher
> Institute
> >::For Fine Arts!
> >::
> >::
> >::
> >::
> >::Partick wrote:
> >::Yes, as an independent curator, I think this sort of work is
> innovative,
> >::and could signal a very pleasant shift in engaging with the
> subject.
> >::
> >::Very good!
> >::
> >::"It is better to die on your feet
> >::than to live on your knees."
> >::
> >::MANIK wrote:
> >::
> >::
> >::As an independent curator which poze you suggest to artist
> >::for licking Curators Ass?On knees?
> >::Or you sugest new pose to keep your motto in area of self-satisfied
> >::illusion?
> >::Best
> >::MANIK
> >::
> >::Patrick wrote:
> >::Absolutely!
> >::
> >::Maybe when I'm an artist, maybe I could lick, and then also when I
> >::curate we could try different positions, anything that would be
> best for
> >::the artist.
> >::Or maybe we could play artist/curator tuchus-lick Twister.
> >::
> >::Interesting.
> >::
> >::"It is better to kiss on your feet
> >::than to lick on your knees."
> >::(Lovely!I can say "It is better to kill…etc).
> >::
> >::MANIK wrote:
> >::I don't thing it's just "interesting".Whole story started with
> curator/artist relationship.
> >::"New logic"(derivative
> >::from"New World order"),as I see is based on twisted terminology
> which make subject
> >::which make(producer)with subject which exploit(exploiter)equal and
> put them in funny logic;
> >::producer(worker,artist…)should be in state of immanent/permanent
> gratitude because
> >::exploiter exist to give him(producer)reason to exist(lick his
> ass).That describe Judith Butler's term"Verwerfung"
> >::( rejected).She talk about whole class of people who existed in
> "grey zone",inhabitant zone and they existence is
> >::imperceptible,hidden,but without them it's impossible to build
> Subject(one who role,master,you my friend,part of "Main
> Subject"-U.S.A|J.Habermas|).
> >::And man who want to be out of boring/decadent idea crush have to
> take *position*toward two main dilemma:
> >::are you asshole or tongue,are you shit or you eat shit?That way it
> seems like same position but it's just chimerical.
> >::"Full don't understand hungry."
> >::You are full one.
> >::This "Kama-Sutra",with changing positions between curator and
> artist is decadent rich man game.Stupid,irresponsibility&
> >::pathetic.Are you part of it?
> >::Knees!
> >::Feet?!
> >::No shit!
> >::I don't believe you when you say that you want to do all the best
> for artist.
> >::Why don't you pay than for my "NEW PAGE IN ART
> HISTORY"in"Intelligent agent",you never ask me for permission to take
> my work even.
> >::My offer for your text was worthy 50$for few sentences but I didn't
> told you that because I was curious to see your reaction.Did you react
> like man who love art no meter from where artist coming from?You never
> answer on my proposal because you don't want to work for free?
> >::But my work you take for free…and you talk about position between
> artist and curator.Maybe you want me to publish all our
> correspondence?I doubt.I strongly recommended you to avoid in the
> future your grotesque slogan:
> >::" "It is better to die on your feet
> >::than to live on your knees."
> >::You are tiny clerk in big dying machine.Nothing more,or less.
> >::Cheers
> >::MANIK
> >::
> >::
> >::
> >+
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> >
> >
>