Fw: hell's cold

sure, i mentioned your name 'cause you reacted rather noisily to my little announcement (the ussr thing). That's how social interaction on these lists works. No need to deconstruct the way you brush your teeth each time you brush your teeth (if you are in the habit of brushing your teeth)

i mentioned your name on my blog too (http://nkdee.blogspot.com) because i kinda like some of your work, so there'll be another 14 or so individuals on the planet who will know about it next week.

chill out sister, people are dying out there

dv
—–Original message—–
From: "manik" [email protected]
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:02:42 +0100
To: [email protected]
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: hell's cold

>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: manik
> To: [email protected] Dirk Vekemans
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:29 PM
> Subject: hell's cold
>
>
> Hi Dirk,
> You've mentioned my name in one sentence,I find that interesting as
> introduction in wide consideration relationship between > random-deliberate,
> predictable-unpredictable…I find art history-aesthetic-philosophy > could be good for
> reflection about those things,or for polemic at least.Those disciplines > are equal important as programming(for example).
> I'm not "programming artist"or"software artist",my personal interest for > Rhizome_Raw list writing's to define
> clean message:we are different people and our "role"in this time we live > together
> on this planet is to understand that this difference is not reason for > intolerance,…on the contrary.
>
> Cheers
> MANIK
> PS:
> Fact that Mondrian belong to Dutchman is not reason for you to be so > upset.
> I also mentioned Americans in that mail,and so far they're happy with > that.
>
>
>
> Apologies, MANIK from hell, i was out all day and perhaps it's because > i'm
> too tired but much as i feel obliged to anwer when addressed, i find it > near
> impossible to respond to your remarks in a meaningful way now: you start
> from mistaking my sigh of incompetence to deal with a concept for a
> definition of a word, and continue in a random fashion of pre-emptive
> strikes to nail my male but against an imagenary wall, it seems. My next
> mail in this thread kinda contradicts everything here, no? Anyway, i'm > not
> from the Netherlands, so there's no need to drag those fine people into > this
> and if you'd care to take a look at what i try to do, you might agree > i'm
> not after any kind of total control.
> How is hell these days anyway? i kinda miss the heat, sometimes.
> dv
>
>
> _____
>
> Van: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Namens manik
> Verzonden: donderdag 12 januari 2006 3:41
> Aan: [email protected]
> Onderwerp: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: draw-something
>
>
> Hi Dirk,
> This is MANIK from hell.
> Let's get to work:for you randomness mean same as a concept("For me
> randomness, the concept, …)
> This is interesting idea and I dare to see rot of it could be in > Dutchman's
> fight for fertility land,fight against nature(fait against randomness of
> see, the concept of other entity,God maybe.)American Pioneer have some > of
> that madness but they were cruel murder if is necessary,and of curse God > was
> good/necessary for pardon of sins)."So help me God!",they said and kill > some
> Iraqi child,or Indian,it doesn't matter.
> Man have to established full control,he's uber alles,he rule over > nature-in
> this moment this represent retro-modernistic concept with element of
> fascism(genetic control and modular stile of space/mind strategic
> organization),fancy,inn,mostly in design,and fashion,in
> "modular"architecture etc…Significant historical example were > Mondrian's
> neoplasticism,and Le Corbusier buildings.But even in Mondrians work was
> element of randomness,intentionally provoke suspense(Bugi-Vugi serial > from
> NYC,40-this,…to much randomness,to many blots).
> I think that you wish people-machine who work perfect until they > stop.One's
> for ever,The End!(?)Plastic doll who you could bore when became nasty?
> My humble experience with mechanism who investigate > random/rule-tarot,and
> similar discipline are para-scientist,worthless and extremely personal > as an
> experience and they're in strange co-relation with J.Koons
> statement(paraphrase):"We have to be objective and reduce influence of
> subconsiousnes."Which mean that we can see our self's in every sense of > this
> word(future,destiny,…)but what's the purpose?If you are afraid of > concept
> act like they doesn't existed.If you hate randomness there's no Superman
> anymore(he broke his neck and die)to save us.It looks to me that we must
> live with legs spread between random and predictable.See explanation of
> card"Chariot",and legend about Medusa,Orpheus&Eurydice,emotions?:)
> Cheers
> MANIK
>
>
> For me randomness, the concept, is a nightmare, it's quicksand, it is > the
> one thing i can think of that's worse then (pick any random worst > horror).
> The day Superman solves random we'll all go to heaven (yes, even you > manik).
>
> Try it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random
> They (we) can't even get the wikipedia article straightened out.
>
> dv
>
>
> > —–Oorspronkelijk bericht—–
> > Van: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Namens Pall Thayer
> > Verzonden: woensdag 11 januari 2006 15:55
> > Aan: Rob Myers
> > CC: Rhizome Raw list
> > Onderwerp: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: draw-something
> >
> > Hi Rob,
> > I was looking at this and find it interesting. Thanks for
> > sharing the code with us. There are a couple of questions
> > that come to mind. I'd like to know if you have any plans of
> > making the lines more "pencil"- like by creating a more
> > expressive line. I feel this is an issue that has been
> > largely overlooked by people working with automated drawing
> > processes. They tend to look really flat and dead because of it.
> > AARON, for instance, suffers from a severe case of flatness
> > that could be easily cured by some simple, maybe even random,
> > variation in line thickness and length. There's an
> > interesting project called Freestyle that's working on this
> > (among other things) at http://
> > freestyle.sourceforge.net/index.php (source available).
> >
> > Also, I noticed this on your blog:
> > "The shapes are random. The colours are random. At worst I'm
> > showing one in every three of these images.
> >
> > Randomness gives good results far more often than it should.
> > Is it the heuristics I'm coding in, or is aesthetics really random?
> >
> > Time to start adding rules."
> >
> > I think it has to do with the range of data. Random is going
> > to use the whole range of data equally whereas something like
> > weather is going to be concentrated in predictable area's of
> > the full range.
> > Personally, I think it's really interesting to see what
> > happens with different types of data. If you experiment with
> > different data sources, I think you'll find that they each
> > have their own significant character which could in turn be
> > interesting to mix together.
> >
> > Pall
> >
> > On 10.1.2006, at 18:56, Rob Myers wrote:
> >
> > > I have been working on my program draw-something.
> > >
> > > There's a Flash version (made with MTASC):
> > >
> > > http://draw-something.robmyers.org/
> > >
> > > And the Lisp version now makes multiple figures and
> > coloured figures:
> > >
> > > http://www.robmyers.org/weblog/2006/01/11/purely-random-colour/
> > > http://www.robmyers.org/weblog/2006/01/08/draw-something-drawing/
> > > http://www.robmyers.org/weblog/2006/01/08/a-change-of-algorithm-for-
> > > draw-something/
> > >
> > > Source for all versions available from sourceforge CVS
> > along with some
> > > recent release bundles:
> > >
> > > http:://rob-art.sourceforge.net/
> > >
> > > - Rob.
> > > +
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> >
> >
> >
> > –
> > Pall Thayer
> > [email protected]
> > http://www.this.is/pallit
> >
> >
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—– Original Message —–
From: manik
To: dirk vekemans
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: hell's cold


Dirk wrote:
>sure, i mentioned your name 'cause you reacted rather noisily to my little=
announcement (the ussr thing).

We don't remember history of "our relationship"-blank,sorry …

Dirk:
>That's how social interaction on these lists works. No need to deconstruct=
the way you brush your teeth each time you >brush your teeth (if you are i=
n the habit of brushing your teeth)

No Big Boy,I don't brush my teeth:Eagle came every morning and clean my jaw=
,eating live flesh.

Dirk:
>i mentioned your name on my blog too (http://nkdee.blogspot.com) because i=
kinda like some of your work, so there'll >be another 14 or so individuals=
on the planet who will know about it next week.

There's two kind of perverted man:one who work in silent(dangerous one),and=
second who talk around about his virtue,actualy he's one who hates,boring =
incomplete change of man(you are one of those).
Of course you've put MANIK'S works on your blog,that's question of quality,=
not about your comlex.
MANIK welcoming 14
individuals you enlighten with our blog.

Vaya con Dios.





chill out sister, people are dying out there

dv

ok, now i remember. byebye.
dv


_____

Van: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Namens manik
Verzonden: vrijdag 13 januari 2006 17:33
Aan: [email protected]
Onderwerp: Fw: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: hell's cold



—– Original Message —–
From: manik <mailto:[email protected]>
To: dirk <mailto:[email protected]> vekemans
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: hell's cold

Dirk wrote:
>sure, i mentioned your name 'cause you reacted rather noisily to my little
announcement (the ussr thing).

We don't remember history of "our relationship"-blank,sorry …

Dirk:

>That's how social interaction on these lists works. No need to deconstruct
the way you brush your teeth each time you >brush your teeth (if you are in
the habit of brushing your teeth)

No Big Boy,I don't brush my teeth:Eagle came every morning and clean my
jaw,eating live flesh.

Dirk:
>i mentioned your name on my blog too (http://nkdee.blogspot.com) because i
kinda like some of your work, so there'll >be another 14 or so individuals
on the planet who will know about it next week.

There's two kind of perverted man:one who work in silent(dangerous one),and
second who talk around about his virtue,actualy he's one who hates,boring
incomplete change of man(you are one of those).
Of course you've put MANIK'S works on your blog,that's question of
quality,not about your comlex.
MANIK welcoming 14
individuals you enlighten with our blog.

Vaya con Dios.





chill out sister, people are dying out there

dv