—– Original Message —–
From: "joseph (yes=no & yes<>no) " <[email protected]>
> However, what I am saying is that art exists and has existed that is both
> created and observed from various world viewpoints…and I believe that
this is
> a good thing - the closest we can acheive to an objective view of reality.
I disagree. Merely arguing "different subjective viewpoints" gives you a
greater awareness of the variety of subjective viewpoints and it has nothing
to do with reality. Reality is zero, it is not the lump sum of everyone
elses "1's".
> I am saying that in the sense that an artists view contributes
> to a cummulative objective view, it documents reality,
No it doesn't.
> I am not trying to present an objective view. I try to present multiple
> subjective views as closer to (but only a subset of) an objective view.
You can add up infinite layers of opinions and still have no idea what the
truth of the matter is. Understanding reality is a REDUCTIVE act.
> Rub Linda was also
> consistent with this approach, as I took elements on the web and weaved
them
> into a subjective american view, and added the photos displayed on Al
Jeezeras
> site as another subjective view of the world seen transparently through
mine.
Yes, you took elements of a mediated reality and you presented them as if
they would lead to any level of greater understanding. You failed, because
mediated reality has nothing to do with reality, and your opinions on
mediated reality have even less to do with reality.
There is reality, mediated by the web and al-jazeera, and then you run that
through the mediation of your personal filters, and then you create a piece
which is your opinion of a mediated view of a mediated reality.
How much closer to the "truth" are we now?
-e.
If We All Just Talk About How We Feel We'll All Feel The Same Way
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Actually, I apologize to the list.
I do not have a right to my opinion. And neither does anyone else. It's a
very easy mistake to make. It's easy to lose focus. But I can always go back
to zero, so allow me to do so now.
-e.
quoting Eryk Salvaggio
> I disagree. Merely arguing "different subjective viewpoints" gives you a
> greater awareness of the variety of subjective viewpoints and it has nothing
> to do with reality. Reality is zero, it is not the lump sum of everyone
> elses "1's".
So you believe, I believe differently. Whose belief is better? You want I
should come up there with a tank?
>
> > I am saying that in the sense that an artists view contributes
> > to a cummulative objective view, it documents reality,
>
> No it doesn't.
Yes it does. Want to arm wrestle about it?
>
> > I am not trying to present an objective view. I try to present multiple
> > subjective views as closer to (but only a subset of) an objective view.
>
> You can add up infinite layers of opinions and still have no idea what the
> truth of the matter is. Understanding reality is a REDUCTIVE act.
No it isn't. Lets have a spitting contest.
>
> Yes, you took elements of a mediated reality and you presented them as if
> they would lead to any level of greater understanding. You failed, because
> mediated reality has nothing to do with reality, and your opinions on
> mediated reality have even less to do with reality.
Mediated reality is reality. reality is reality. Opinions are reality. Throw it
all on the fire and you get warm.
>
> There is reality, mediated by the web and al-jazeera, and then you run that
> through the mediation of your personal filters, and then you create a piece
> which is your opinion of a mediated view of a mediated reality.
which is closer to an objective view of reality than my personal filters alone -
its incremental.
>
> How much closer to the "truth" are we now?
Some
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Quoting Eryk Salvaggio <[email protected]>:
Quoting Eryk Salvaggio <[email protected]>:
> Actually, I apologize to the list.
>
> I do not have a right to my opinion. And neither does anyone else. It's a
> very easy mistake to make. It's easy to lose focus. But I can always go back
> to zero, so allow me to do so now.
Actually, you have the right to an opinion, just not the right to suppress
every other one with tactics that include drumming up political support with
derision. Your theoretical framework for reality is not to everyones liking,
nor is it demonstratably true.
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—– Original Message —–
From: "joseph (yes=no & yes<>no) " <[email protected]>
> So you believe, I believe differently. Whose belief is better? You want I
> should come up there with a tank?
This is where there is a problem of understanding reality vs understanding
ones opinion. You think that reality is dependant on how many people look at
it, I know that it isn't. Any actual thinking about reality would reveal
this to be true.You can argue with me all the want, you're still wrong. And,
I am done educating you. I have some things I want to do and I don't have
time for social work any more.
Cheers,
-e.
—– Original Message —–
From: "joseph (yes=no & yes<>no) " <[email protected]>
> Actually, you have the right to an opinion,
No I don't. But thanks for trying to convince me of your world view.
> just not the right to suppress
> every other one with tactics that include drumming up political support
with
> derision.
Oh, have you been saying that because you think that's what I was doing?
> Your theoretical framework for reality is not to everyones liking,
What a pity.
-e.
> What a pity.
No. I am showing mercy to you by treating you like someone to be respected.
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Quoting Eryk Salvaggio <[email protected]>:
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "joseph (yes=no & yes<>no) " <[email protected]>
>
>
> > Actually, you have the right to an opinion,
>
> No I don't. But thanks for trying to convince me of your world view.
>
>
>
> > just not the right to suppress
> > every other one with tactics that include drumming up political support
> with
> > derision.
>
> Oh, have you been saying that because you think that's what I was doing?
>
>
>
> > Your theoretical framework for reality is not to everyones liking,
>
> What a pity.
>
>
> -e.
Yes, you took elements of a mediated reality and you presented them as
> if
> they would lead to any level of greater understanding. You failed,
> because
> mediated reality has nothing to do with reality, and your opinions on
> mediated reality have even less to do with reality.
–where are you finding an unmediated reality, eryk? even your opinions are a form of mediated reality—as are mine…..
bliss
l