RHIZOME RAW: The boomerang effect of the Capitalism

> Capitalism triumphes around the world, on the exact moment when United
> States will loose the planetary control.

control is an illusion

> Paradoxical, United States are
> victimes of the system that was globaly spread from America.

"cyclical" is a more appropriate description. most societies grow, peak and
wane/collapse. if the american "empire" is waning/collasing (i doubt it)
then so be it. i'm sure life will be much better under a south american
dictator.

> They will
> defeat by they own game that the rest of the world didn't choose.

are you the one that will choose the next "game"? please tell me what the
new "game" will be like? pretty please … TELL ME!

> Well, it's
> a free market and accordind to the concurrence laws, America can't stand
up
> much longer! Her comercial deficit it's aproximate of 1.200.000.000
dolares
> by day!

once we have fallen … will you help us back up?

> And iraq war will be the last demonstration of imperialism from a
> Nation that have no longer the power of the world!

the "power of the world"? what in the fuck are you talking about? the
power to do what? BE SPECIFIC!!!

> A desperate strategy
> comdemned to fail.

what strategy? to free up $300 trillion in OIL RESERVES? i disagree, that
is likely to succeed.

> You see, that's the boomerang effect of the capitalism
> and it already did a complete tour all around the world. Now it comes back
> at the depart point, to force down the same that did it throw away.

and what will happen to us, Joao? will we deserve it? what will YOU and
YOUR COUNTRY do to help the poor americans?

david goldschmidt


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David Goldschmidt wrote:

>> Capitalism triumphes around the world, on the exact moment when United
>>States will loose the planetary control.
>>
>>
>
>control is an illusion
>
in a sense yes but tell that to southamerican, african, asian and other
people all around the world

>
>
>
>>Paradoxical, United States are
>>victimes of the system that was globaly spread from America.
>>
>>
>
>"cyclical" is a more appropriate description. most societies grow, peak and
>wane/collapse. if the american "empire" is waning/collasing (i doubt it)
>then so be it. i'm sure life will be much better under a south american
>dictator.
>
established by that control which you try to deny to feel not guilty?

>
>
>
>>They will
>>defeat by they own game that the rest of the world didn't choose.
>>
>>
>
>are you the one that will choose the next "game"? please tell me what the
>new "game" will be like? pretty please … TELL ME!
>
you won't be in, darling, so never mind

>
>
>
>>Well, it's
>>a free market and accordind to the concurrence laws, America can't stand
>>
>>
>up
>
>
>>much longer! Her comercial deficit it's aproximate of 1.200.000.000
>>
>>
>dolares
>
>
>>by day!
>>
>>
>
>once we have fallen … will you help us back up?
>
of course not. When it happens you won't back up because you'll live in
another world [of course you can't remain the same or else what i said
above will be true [you won't be in that world]]

>
>
>
>>And iraq war will be the last demonstration of imperialism from a
>>Nation that have no longer the power of the world!
>>
>>
>
>the "power of the world"? what in the fuck are you talking about? the
>power to do what? BE SPECIFIC!!!
>
to kill [what actually it does].

>
>
>
>>
>>
>
>
>>You see, that's the boomerang effect of the capitalism
>>and it already did a complete tour all around the world. Now it comes back
>>at the depart point, to force down the same that did it throw away.
>>
>>
>
>and what will happen to us, Joao? will we deserve it? what will YOU and
>YOUR COUNTRY do to help the poor americans?
>
of course you can't understand what it means [you are thinking from the
centre, in all senses <political, economical, philosophical, etc>] but
even when i know that america [wrong term to call usa but if it is the
center of the world who can discuss it] is not the point of depart of
capitalism [it is rather europe. btw america has added very few things
to this world and obviously not the best ones <at least most of them>]
'amerika' took it to its limit and final state.

>
>david goldschmidt
>
rechen
ps>of course it is a response to a pretty silly comments by you [if you
want to know what else i think of u. s. ask me for example why i like to
be a member of rhizome].

>
>
>
>

David Goldschmidt wrote:

> the reason my comments seem "silly" is because they were in response
> to your idiocy.
>
> its obvious that you are excited about the idea of the american people
> falling into a harsh economic depression where millions will suffer.
> its unfortunate that the new system will be managed by the likes of you.

this, of course, remains a silly statement. You misunderstood me and,
worse, you think i am joao or whatever his name is.
I ask you these questions:
1)you [if you stand for 'american people' which you'd have to
demonstrate] are the same as the usa government is?
2)you [if you stand for 'american people' which you'd have to
demonstrate] are afraid only of your own 'falling into a harsh economic
depression' or you are concerned about starvation of people all over the
world?
3)you [if you stand for 'american people' which you'd have to
demonstrate] know what it means 'dictator' or you were sleeping all the
time since bush took over your country?
4)you [if you stand for 'american people' which you'd have to
demonstrate] think people from vietnam and irak and afganistan and
southamerica and africa and so on is worthy starving and being
victimized to support u.s. economy?

>
>
>
> Capitalism triumphes around the world, on the exact moment when United
> States will loose the planetary control.

this is not my statement

>
>
>
>>
>>control is an illusion
>>
> in a sense yes but tell that to southamerican, african, asian and
> other people all around the world
>
>
> well … it was a buddhist that told me.
> and if I (a simple white american male) can understand it then i'm
> sure others can to
>
why are you answer me in that racist way? and i think you didn't
understand that buddhist. But you don't have to wait for a buddhist to
tell you so, you can read some contemporary thinkers.

>
>
>
>>>Paradoxical, United States are
>>>victimes of the system that was globaly spread from America.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>"cyclical" is a more appropriate description. most societies grow, peak and
>>wane/collapse. if the american "empire" is waning/collasing (i doubt it)
>>then so be it. i'm sure life will be much better under a south american
>>dictator.
>>
> established by that control which you try to deny to feel not guilty?
>
>> what????? you commment makes no sense.
>>
of course, i didn't expect you understood it. Understanding it means
throwing out all your comfort.

>>
>>
>>
>>>They will
>>>defeat by they own game that the rest of the world didn't choose.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>are you the one that will choose the next "game"? please tell me what the
>>new "game" will be like? pretty please … TELL ME!
>>
> you won't be in, darling, so never mind
>
>> hmmmmm … just as i thought. you don't know, do you? simpleton.
>>
if you are so angry for not being in, do something to be.

>>
>>
>>>Well, it's
>>>a free market and accordind to the concurrence laws, America can't stand
>>>
>>>
>>up
>>
>>
>>>much longer! Her comercial deficit it's aproximate of 1.200.000.000
>>>
>>>
>>dolares
>>
>>
>>>by day!
>>>
>>>
>>
>>once we have fallen … will you help us back up?
>>
> of course not.
>
> so you'll just let millions of people suffer …
> you're sooooo advanced … i truly admire your values!!!
>
read the following before making such silly statement

>
> When it happens you won't back up because you'll live in another
> world [of course you can't remain the same or else what i said
> above will be true [you won't be in that world]]
>
> What is the hell are you talking
> about??? BE SPECIFIC. Speaking in general/vague terms only
> reveals you for the simpleton that you
> are.
>
please, english is your own language, don't you know another term to
express your anger and the fact you're not able to think about it than
simpleton [i don't want to think you are talking about yourself]?
you know, the difference between you and me is that i always reffered to
your statements as 'silly' and i never adressed a single epithet like
simpleton to you. Don't worry, simpleton rather flatters me.

>
>>
>>
>>>And iraq war will be the last demonstration of imperialism from a
>>>Nation that have no longer the power of the world!
>>>
>>>
>>
>>the "power of the world"? what in the fuck are you talking about? the
>>power to do what? BE SPECIFIC!!!
>>
> to kill [what actually it does].
>
>> are you telling me that the "power of the world" is to kill. that's it? that's the best you can come up with? you need to go back to school (and church). you are ignorant and you lack values.
>>
oh, yeah, you never left church. Now i understand you, it's not your
falt, you can do nothing against such a power. This is the power, the
power that rules life and death, and of course u. s. government is the
encarnation of this power. [like Luis XV]. And, again, usa has the power
to kill and it uses it so often.

>>>You see, that's the boomerang effect of the capitalism
>>>and it already did a complete tour all around the world. Now it comes back
>>>at the depart point, to force down the same that did it throw away.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>and what will happen to us, Joao? will we deserve it? what will YOU and
>>YOUR COUNTRY do to help the poor americans?
>>
> of course you can't understand what it means [you are thinking
> from the centre, in all senses <political, economical,
> philosophical, etc>]
>
> you are a victim of your ignorance and anger
>
are you talking about yourself? btw did you ever think about centre means?

>
> but even when i know that america [wrong term to call usa but if
> it is the center of the world who can discuss it] is not the point
> of depart of capitalism [it is rather europe. btw america has
> added very few things to this world and obviously not the best
> ones <at least most of them>] 'amerika' took it to its limit and
> final state.
>
> and what have you and YOURS added to the
> world? only the very best … i'm sure.
>
thinking that people like you and us might live well sharing a world or
better sharing their worlds [universes if you like].

>>david goldschmidt
>>
> rechen
>
>>
>>
>

i think this is my last mail on this subject because it's becoming
boring and likely endless.
i want you to know that i have neither anger nor hatred for american
people. There are lots of different people in usa so as they are in
other places all over the world. But you don't ask me for loving people
whose way of life is the explotation of other people. They are neither
american nor anywhere else people [or at least, they shouldn't be].

David Goldschmidt wrote:

>———- Original Message ———————————-
>From: roberto echen <[email protected]>
>Reply-To: roberto echen <[email protected]>
>Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 03:42:34 -0300
>
>
>
>>David Goldschmidt wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>the reason my comments seem "silly" is because they were in response
>>>to your idiocy.
>>>
>>>its obvious that you are excited about the idea of the american people
>>>falling into a harsh economic depression where millions will suffer.
>>>its unfortunate that the new system will be managed by the likes of you.
>>>
>>>
>>this, of course, remains a silly statement. You misunderstood me
>>
>>
>
>there was no mis-understanding. there were blanket accusations against america. the statements implied that americans are evil and inhumane. your follow-up comments "about america" revealed your own hostilities toward a people and a country that you don't know/understand.
>
"captain amerika" i would like to know usa. I think for instance NYC is
one of the best things this world have and I'd love to be there some day.
For you, of course, joao and rechen are the same, because they are
'southamerican', the same abstract thing. For me, 'american people' are
not at all one [abstract] thing. For instance it seems you're not
'american people' but 'bush people'. Big difference.

>
>
>
>
>>and,
>>worse, you think i am joao or whatever his name is.
>>I ask you these questions:
>>1)you [if you stand for 'american people' which you'd have to
>>demonstrate] are the same as the usa government is?
>>
>>
>
>do you want to see my voter registration card?
>
don't need it. I can guess pretty well you are one of the 3% [don't try
to tell me there were more american people voting him] of 'american
people' who voted bush.

>
>
>
>>2)you [if you stand for 'american people' which you'd have to
>>demonstrate] are afraid only of your own 'falling into a harsh economic
>>depression' or you are concerned about starvation of people all over the
>>world?
>>
>>
>
>personally, i am VERY concerned about the starvation of people all over the world. ALL GOOD PEOPLE ARE VERY CONCERNED (even americans).
>
what does it mean 'ALL GOOD PEOPLE', mid-class people, who are always
good-thinking?

> however, the u.s. governemnt has neither the ability nor obligation to pull 4 billion people out of poverty. that is not its purpose. its role is to serve the american people.
>
easy and again kitsch comment.
Talking about simpleton: is not a simpleton who repeats statements like
the above one [superimposed to american people by the ones who took over
their lives] without thinking about them?. btw: have you ever read
'brave new world'?
The point is not the usa government helping 'poor and unable of
selfstanding people'. Do you think people of any country wants bush
help? What those people want is usa government [and other ones including
their own ones] stopping its exploitation on them.

>
>
>
>
>>3)you [if you stand for 'american people' which you'd have to
>>demonstrate] know what it means 'dictator' or you were sleeping all the
>>time since bush took over your country?
>>
>>
>
>further evidence that you don't know what you are talking about.
>
in spanish there's a saying: the most blind is the one who doesn't want
to see [not a very good translation].

>
>
>
>
>>4)you [if you stand for 'american people' which you'd have to
>>demonstrate] think people from vietnam and irak and afganistan and
>>southamerica and africa and so on is worthy starving and being
>>victimized to support u.s. economy?
>>
>>
>
>further evidence of your hatred and anger towards america.
>
Apologies for my english> i didn't know truth and anger had the same
meaning. But worse, you keep talking about 'america' as some kind of
plato's idea. I'm not talking about 'america' [btw i'm also an american]
i'm telling you some facts which have to do with power [and usa
government stands for most powerfull groups on this planet].

> and you think that if america crashes then vietnam, iraq, etc.
>will stop starving ? i can see your logic … AMERICA CRASHES = the starving get to eat. makes sense.
>
this is what people do for not being aware. You're putting the facts
upside down. At the same time, you're stating those powerfull groups'
logic: they have to live in missery because we have to keep ourselves
earning more money. Of course those groups crash means a redistribution
of money what beneffits people [including american]

>
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Capitalism triumphes around the world, on the exact moment when United
>>>States will loose the planetary control.
>>>
>>>
>>this is not my statement
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>control is an illusion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> in a sense yes but tell that to southamerican, african, asian and
>>> other people all around the world
>>>
>>>
>>> well … it was a buddhist that told me.
>>> and if I (a simple white american male) can understand it then i'm
>>> sure others can to
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>why are you answer me in that racist way?
>>
>>
>
>so now i'm a racist for just admitting that i am a white american male.
>
If you claim that is your condition you're making a racist statement
because you're putting those things as the way of defining yourself. You
could have said> a simple inhabitant of usa, or a man who likes blue
shoes or something else, but, of course, you describe yourself by means
of what are [for you] the most important characteristics. It's funny but
it sounds to me like someone telling <i, a simple averdeen angus male>
or something like that. Besides, what does male mean, someone whose
whole existence is centered in having a penis?

>
>
>
>>and i think you didn't
>>understand that buddhist. But you don't have to wait for a buddhist to
>>tell you so, you can read some contemporary thinkers.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Paradoxical, United States are
>>>>>victimes of the system that was globaly spread from America.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>"cyclical" is a more appropriate description. most societies grow, peak and
>>>>wane/collapse. if the american "empire" is waning/collasing (i doubt it)
>>>>then so be it. i'm sure life will be much better under a south american
>>>>dictator.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> established by that control which you try to deny to feel not guilty?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> what????? you commment makes no sense.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>of course, i didn't expect you understood it. Understanding it means
>>throwing out all your comfort.
>>
>>
>
>more bullshit … closer to the truth is that you are unable to clearly communicate your thoughts (in english). however, i do admire your attempt. i wish i knew a few other languages.
>
<clearly> has always to do with control and power. And you're trying to
say my arguments are bu(ll)sh(it)? I can asure you they'll never be.
Thanks, i'm not quite sure what to do with your admiration.

>
>
>
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>They will
>>>>>defeat by they own game that the rest of the world didn't choose.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>are you the one that will choose the next "game"? please tell me what the
>>>>new "game" will be like? pretty please … TELL ME!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> you won't be in, darling, so never mind
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> hmmmmm … just as i thought. you don't know, do you? simpleton.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>if you are so angry for not being in, do something to be.
>>
>>
>
>the only thing i'm angry about is when americans are described as inhuman. we are not.
>
no, David. Seriously, i never said such a thing and i'd never do. Or
else i wouldn't have been discussing all this time with you.

>
>
>
>
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Well, it's
>>>>>a free market and accordind to the concurrence laws, America can't stand
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>up
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>much longer! Her comercial deficit it's aproximate of 1.200.000.000
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>dolares
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>by day!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>once we have fallen … will you help us back up?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> of course not.
>>>
>>> so you'll just let millions of people suffer …
>>> you're sooooo advanced … i truly admire your values!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>read the following before making such silly statement
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> When it happens you won't back up because you'll live in another
>>> world [of course you can't remain the same or else what i said
>>> above will be true [you won't be in that world]]
>>>
>>> What is the hell are you talking
>>> about??? BE SPECIFIC. Speaking in general/vague terms only
>>> reveals you for the simpleton that you
>>> are.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>please, english is your own language, don't you know another term to
>>express your anger and the fact you're not able to think about it than
>>simpleton [i don't want to think you are talking about yourself]?
>>you know, the difference between you and me is that i always reffered to
>>your statements as 'silly' and i never adressed a single epithet like
>>simpleton to you. Don't worry, simpleton rather flatters me.
>>
>>
>>
>
>your willingness to let americans suffer reveals your anger and hatred. anger and hatred clouds your vision and will keep you in misery.
>
nobody wants to let americans or any other people suffer [at least not
me]. If you couldn't read it correctly is not my fault. Misery is living
without allowing oneself thinking things may be different than we always
have seen them. I'm not so miserable.

>
>
>
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>And iraq war will be the last demonstration of imperialism from a
>>>>>Nation that have no longer the power of the world!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>the "power of the world"? what in the fuck are you talking about? the
>>>>power to do what? BE SPECIFIC!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> to kill [what actually it does].
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> are you telling me that the "power of the world" is to kill. that's it? that's the best you can come up with? you need to go back to school (and church). you are ignorant and you lack values.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>oh, yeah, you never left church. Now i understand you, it's not your
>>falt, you can do nothing against such a power. This is the power, the
>>power that rules life and death, and of course u. s. government is the
>>encarnation of this power. [like Luis XV]. And, again, usa has the power
>>to kill and it uses it so often.
>>
>>
>
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>
I see you're saying your pennitence, that's a good thing.
Go to church and repeat one hundred times>
'usa government let so many people starve to keep people like me easy
and blind'
a free lesson> Power means a structure or shape that has its way [or
ways] of articulation or , in a most modernist way, of relationship.
When that relation is made up of extreme unequality [something very
different to difference] between the actors of that relationship and the
way it is maintained is making always wider that unequality it reaches
its limit some day and something must be changed [generally the whole
structure].

>
>
>
>
>
>>>>>You see, that's the boomerang effect of the capitalism
>>>>>and it already did a complete tour all around the world. Now it comes back
>>>>>at the depart point, to force down the same that did it throw away.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>and what will happen to us, Joao? will we deserve it? what will YOU and
>>>>YOUR COUNTRY do to help the poor americans?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> of course you can't understand what it means [you are thinking
>>> from the centre, in all senses <political, economical,
>>> philosophical, etc>]
>>>
>>> you are a victim of your ignorance and anger
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>are you talking about yourself? btw did you ever think about centre means?
>>
>>
>
>according to Dante … the center of the world/universe is the furthest point from GOD … its HELL.
>
you forget that for Dante there were two opposed centers [the geometry
was that of double cone].

>
>
>
>
>>>
>>> but even when i know that america [wrong term to call usa but if
>>> it is the center of the world who can discuss it] is not the point
>>> of depart of capitalism [it is rather europe. btw america has
>>> added very few things to this world and obviously not the best
>>> ones <at least most of them>] 'amerika' took it to its limit and
>>> final state.
>>>
>>> and what have you and YOURS added to the
>>> world? only the very best … i'm sure.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>thinking that people like you and us might live well sharing a world or
>>better sharing their worlds [universes if you like].
>>
>>
>
>WOW … your land sounds wonderful. Be sure NOT to tell the americans where this wonderful bliss exists.
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One man dream about a house with a fountain. Under the fountain a
treasure. He travels for days through the desert till he reaches a city
where he finds the house with the fountain. He meets the owner and tells
him about the dream. The man laughs at it and says that he had the same
dream only that the house was very different. The man describs the house
to him. Our man goes hurrily back home and digs under the fountain where
he finds the treasure. [perhaps from one thousand nights a night, quoted
by Jorge Luis Borges].

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