I never claimed to be a Shaman

Shamans with a Modem: Joseph and Donna McElroy

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/15239/94995

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

Comments

, joseph mcelroy

Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:

>
> Shamans with a Modem: Joseph and Donna McElroy
>
> http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/15239/94995
>

I didn't write that, Einstien, but thanks for spreading the word.

Joseph

, Lewis LaCook

>




I don't believe joseph ever claimed to be a shaman, either…
i simply wrote this as such…
Lewis LaCook





10.15.2002

I never claimed to be a Shaman
"-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>





Shamans with a Modem: Joseph and Donna McElroy


http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/15239/94995


`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

, D42 Kandinskij

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 [email protected] wrote:

> > Shamans with a Modem: Joseph and Donna McElroy
> >
> > http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/15239/94995
> >
>
> I didn't write that, Einstien,

No kidding. Again, you're attempting 'slight'
with pathetic jabs at what appears as obvious
in order to try and sidestep whatis going on.

> but thanks for spreading the word.

This has been posted more than once before.
Nobody is 'doing you a favor'.

, D42 Kandinskij

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Lewis LaCook wrote:

> I don't believe joseph ever claimed to be a shaman, either…
> i simply wrote this as such…
> Lewis LaCook

Certainly. But there were other issues involved.
Secondly, he's aware of the article, and irresponsibly
allows_ it.

As for your 'writing it as such'–maybe you should consider
your 'titling' random idiots shamans.

, marc garrett

Nice bit of writing, no pseudo jargon there…

aahhh…a cup of honey, hot whiskey & a lemon, it sure is a potent mix - a
bit like life.

marc


> Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:
>
> >
> > Shamans with a Modem: Joseph and Donna McElroy
> >
> > http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/15239/94995
> >
>
> I didn't write that, Einstien, but thanks for spreading the word.
>
> Joseph
>
>
>
> + tripe
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>

, D42 Kandinskij

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, furtherfield wrote:

> Nice bit of writing, no pseudo jargon there…

Must be. Comparing asleep fraudulent morons whose behavior
amounts to sadistic idiocy to shamans. It's fantastic.

> aahhh…a cup of honey, hot whiskey & a lemon, it sure is a potent mix - a
> bit like life.

If your 'life' is a series of impotent self-destructive acts, yeah.
There is nothing 'potent' in a mixture that numbs you, with that
bitersweet dog-face flavor while you hit yourself over the head.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

, marc garrett

Give it a rest you bitter old hag - or should i say 'Punkassbitch'?

There you go - you are uncovered. What's it like being naked losing your
mask?

Please do not bother me again, I'm very busy at the moment. Got a very
exciting life to explore & you ain't part of it - bye bye.

best wishes to everyone else who has a more than bitterness…

marc :-&


> On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, furtherfield wrote:
>
> > Nice bit of writing, no pseudo jargon there…
>
> Must be. Comparing asleep fraudulent morons whose behavior
> amounts to sadistic idiocy to shamans. It's fantastic.
>
> > aahhh…a cup of honey, hot whiskey & a lemon, it sure is a potent mix -
a
> > bit like life.
>
> If your 'life' is a series of impotent self-destructive acts, yeah.
> There is nothing 'potent' in a mixture that numbs you, with that
> bitersweet dog-face flavor while you hit yourself over the head.
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>
>

, joseph mcelroy

Nor did I ever claim NOT to be a Shaman.

Don't squeeze the Shaman, Mr Whipple.

Life is a responsible dream.

Joseph


Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:

> On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, furtherfield wrote:
>
> > Nice bit of writing, no pseudo jargon there…
>
> Must be. Comparing asleep fraudulent morons whose behavior
> amounts to sadistic idiocy to shamans. It's fantastic.
>
> > aahhh…a cup of honey, hot whiskey & a lemon, it sure is a potent mix - a
> > bit like life.
>
> If your 'life' is a series of impotent self-destructive acts, yeah.
> There is nothing 'potent' in a mixture that numbs you, with that
> bitersweet dog-face flavor while you hit yourself over the head.
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

, D42 Kandinskij

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, furtherfield wrote:

> Give it a rest you bitter old hag

I am not bitter nor a hag.
You post drivel, expect the consequences, and enough with your whining.

> - or should i say 'Punkassbitch'?

Should you? Are you that flat?

> There you go - you are uncovered.

I am hardly uncovered.
I've made occasional posts pointing to that website for years now.

> What's it like being naked losing your mask?

I am not 'losing my mask'. Nor are you capable of dismantling anyone's
mask. Idiotic peasant.

> Please do not bother me again,

Go jump from a cliff :)

> I'm very busy at the moment.

Sure are.

> Got a very exciting life to explore & you ain't part of it - bye bye.
>
Yet another idiotic childish pose.
*I got a life and you don't*
Somehow attempting to elevate your self-importance at the expense
of others.

Exciting life dearest, produces exciting individuals.
You're not one, and you are incredibly limpid with regards
to life-force. Not only that but you confuse disciplined energy
with 'bitterness'

> best wishes to everyone else who has a more than bitterness…

U-hu. Go take another shot of whiskey and sedate yourself a bit more.
With your 'exciting life'.

Btw, weren't you going to NOT reply anymore? :))


`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

, D42 Kandinskij

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 [email protected] wrote:

> Nor did I ever claim NOT to be a Shaman.

Idiotic 'mindfuck' brain games, coupled with psychotic
'am I, am I not' nonsense which is played to the death
by the likes of your sort.

Let me straighten it out for ya: you are not a shaman.
You're not a 'hidden' shaman. You belong to a class
of shitheads who'd LIKE very much the power and position
of a shaman so they PRETEND to be one, having picked up
a few tricks to take advantage of the un-awake.
You run around prodding people, taking advantage of
their sleep condition, when you can reducing them to
amoeba states (due to their own inability to protect
themselves against such attacks), by attempting to push
various buttons such as anger, fear, vanity, etc.
Undoubtedly that produces damage, due to the human's own
lack of development–not what you do, and you parade
that as your 'hidden powers'.

This is not 'evil' nor anything to do with 'the devil'.
This is an idiotic bully.


> Don't squeeze the Shaman, Mr Whipple.

Drivel.

> Life is a responsible dream.

Hardly. You don't know anything about life, monkey.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

, joseph mcelroy

Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:


> No kidding. Again, you're attempting 'slight'
> with pathetic jabs at what appears as obvious
> in order to try and sidestep whatis going on.

What is going on is that you made a mistake and are trying to hide it with a
straight forward, non-stop, obtuse style of attack (yes I know, you are not
attacking). By refusing to fall prey to slights made at your expense,
continuing to doggedly pursue your victim, you probably have conquered many
people. Or shut up most of your critics. Thus you think you have discovered a
technique of power, a TRUTH. Clenching your mind, holding tight, and pushing
through obstacles is blindness and bluntness. You might have the strength of a
battering ram, but you fail before a mountain. And you hate this. You hate
that you can't be that strong. I am a mountain, you will never move me. I am a
hurricane, you will never stand against me. My sign is the Spiral and my
aspect is the Martyr's Wife.

Joseph

, joseph mcelroy

Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:

> Let me straighten it out for ya: you are not a shaman.
> You're not a 'hidden' shaman. You belong to a class
> of shitheads who'd LIKE very much the power and position
> of a shaman so they PRETEND to be one, having picked up


Unlike you mister "hidden identity" I don't PRETEND to be anything. My life is
out their for the whole world to critique. Yours is cloaked in fear of being
discovered a fraud. Mystery helps the whole mama jama "I know the truth" game
don't it?

Joseph

, D42 Kandinskij

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 [email protected] wrote:

> What is going on is

Nothing of the below *drivel* that you want to present as what's goin
on:

> that you made a mistake

I didn't make a mistake. I've addressed this article before,
in my posts to you, and on more than one occasion. Secondly,
I addressed your claims to Shamanism otherwise.


> and are trying to hide it with a straight forward,
> non-stop,

I am not trying to hide anything, idiot.
The article was posted as is.
Only in your 'weakness-seeking' delusional brain
am I trying to hude anything.

> obtuse style of attack (yes I know, you are not attacking).

Indeed not.

> By refusing to fall prey to slights made at your expense,

You are not making anything 'at my expense' luv.
It's all at your own expense, and a heavy price it is too.

> continuing to doggedly pursue your victim,

There is nothing 'dogged' about my actions.
Nor am I victimizing you. You have a way out,
and the way out is not that of a whining con-man.
The other way out is for you to leave.
take your pick.


> you probably have conquered many people.

I've no interested in 'conquering' people.
Your myopic misinterpretations of my actions are your own problem.
When YOU choose to come into INTERACTION with me however,
especially in the manner that you did, and with idiotic
assumpting that all is A-Ok, and it's all a game,
with your disrespectful attitude towards every single force
functioning in the universe, and attempt idiotic push-button tricks,
and simpleton mindfuck games, you will receive the wrong end of
the stick and JUSTLY so.


> Or shut up most of your critics.

What 'critics'? What the fuck is criticism?
Take your juvenile attitude towards life elsewhere.
Criticism is a useless gab of the mouth; it accomplishes nothing.

Besides, don't attempt to make yourself 'one of many' to add weight
to some screaming victim poor me image. This is about YOU and only YOU.
There are no 'people'.


> Thus you think you have discovered a technique of power,

I do not think. And your idiotic insistence on the matter is laughable.
Power is not a matter of techniques, and I didn't 'discover Power, it
discovered me.

Secondly, you're simply repeating in a rephrased manner what I wrote
about you. Scram, shithead.

> a TRUTH.

There is no 'a TRUTH'. And Truth and power are not necessarily related.
Power is only one aspect of truth, and not that interesting one, really.
It's a facilitator for accomplishing things.


> Clenching your mind, holding tight,

There is no clenching of any minds here, dearest.
My mind is clear, clear, still, relaxed, and absolutely empty.

> and pushing through obstacles is blindness and bluntness.

You are talking about yourself. I have no obstacles, am neither blind
nor blunt. Unlike you. So keep your myopic projections to yourself.

I wrote this before, and I will again, only an idiotic cowardly
shithead reacts to energy in the manner that you do.

> You might have the strength of a battering ram,

This is NOT what's going on, idiot. Life-force or ki,
is not muscle-force. Disciplined ki is not violence or brute force.
take your idiotic and myopic peasant misinterpretations of reality
elsewhere.


> but you fail before a mountain.

I am a mountain, idiot. And your insistent 'bashing'
is your own failure.

> And you hate this.

I hate nothing. You're talking about yourself.

> You hate that you can't be that strong.

I AM that strong luv, and hence your idiotic failures.

> I am a mountain,

You're a raggedy doll and an imbecile.
Nobody is 'trying to move you'.
I am simply obviating the con-man twittism of your behavior,
and your psychotic mistreatment of others.

As for being a 'mountain'–being an oblivious and dense asleep ape with
lack of energy does not qualify. You're a numbskull. That is all.


> you will never move me.

Ftt.

> I am a hurricane, you will never stand against me.

'Baa. baa. I'm invincible. I really am. I am a shaman. Master of my
fate'. Laughable and ignorant idiot.

> My sign is the Spiral and my aspect is the Martyr's Wife.

U-hu. And your favorite wizard robe is bright yellow.

Exactly. A delusional con-man.

, D42 Kandinskij

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 [email protected] wrote:

> Unlike you mister "hidden identity"

I am not 'mister hidden identity'.


> I don't PRETEND to be anything.

Yes you do. You're utterly self-delusional.

> My life is out their for the whole world to critique.

Critique?! Haha. The 'whole world' doesn't care about your 'life'.
I suggest you go try and get a plant to 'critique' your life and bring
back the results. Thanks, that was a good laugh.


> Yours is cloaked

I am not 'cloaked' my dearest. Masking is a natural aspect of
reality, and it is there for a reason. Nevertheless, that 'mask'
is easily penetrable by those who can discern or SEE reality,
and THOSE only. Ie, the truth is available tothose who wish it.

You my dearest are a peasant and a simpleton.
You want everything stripped, flat, and devoid of life-force.

Humans–among other beings are created to be 'masked' for a reason–
they carry an 'essence' life-force which needs to be protected.
Idiotic 'exposure'–which is what you're trying to do is
against various laws, and leaves the undeveloped human helpless
to any being who wishes to come and feed on its energy.

This, idiot, is criminal.



> in fear

Sorry. You may froth as much as you wish, but I lack the capacity to
experience fear.

> of being discovered a fraud.

I am not a 'fraud' dearest–and even if I were, none of you here can
'discover it'.

> Mystery helps the whole mama jama "I know the truth" game
> don't it?

No, The truth is mystery. reality is not some simplistic and flat
peasant attitude. Secondly, 'truth' is not subject to knowledge.

Your cheap peasant 'knee-jerks' are not 'revealing'.

As I wrote before, and now again: you're not qualified
to judge such matters, and there is no way to 'test'.
You either see or you don't. And you, don't.


Hurricane. Bahhaha.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

, joseph mcelroy

The first Halloween that my mom let me make a costume was around the age of 7.
We lived in Dallas, Texas then. I made myself a Hobo costume. My mom wanted to
put a smiley face on me, but I wouldn't let her. I knew Hobo clowns had to be
sad.

Joseph

Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:

> On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 [email protected] wrote:
>
> > Unlike you mister "hidden identity"
>
> I am not 'mister hidden identity'.
>
>
> > I don't PRETEND to be anything.
>
> Yes you do. You're utterly self-delusional.
>
> > My life is out their for the whole world to critique.
>
> Critique?! Haha. The 'whole world' doesn't care about your 'life'.
> I suggest you go try and get a plant to 'critique' your life and bring
> back the results. Thanks, that was a good laugh.
>
>
> > Yours is cloaked
>
> I am not 'cloaked' my dearest. Masking is a natural aspect of
> reality, and it is there for a reason. Nevertheless, that 'mask'
> is easily penetrable by those who can discern or SEE reality,
> and THOSE only. Ie, the truth is available tothose who wish it.
>
> You my dearest are a peasant and a simpleton.
> You want everything stripped, flat, and devoid of life-force.
>
> Humans–among other beings are created to be 'masked' for a reason–
> they carry an 'essence' life-force which needs to be protected.
> Idiotic 'exposure'–which is what you're trying to do is
> against various laws, and leaves the undeveloped human helpless
> to any being who wishes to come and feed on its energy.
>
> This, idiot, is criminal.
>
>
>
> > in fear
>
> Sorry. You may froth as much as you wish, but I lack the capacity to
> experience fear.
>
> > of being discovered a fraud.
>
> I am not a 'fraud' dearest–and even if I were, none of you here can
> 'discover it'.
>
> > Mystery helps the whole mama jama "I know the truth" game
> > don't it?
>
> No, The truth is mystery. reality is not some simplistic and flat
> peasant attitude. Secondly, 'truth' is not subject to knowledge.
>
> Your cheap peasant 'knee-jerks' are not 'revealing'.
>
> As I wrote before, and now again: you're not qualified
> to judge such matters, and there is no way to 'test'.
> You either see or you don't. And you, don't.
>
>
> Hurricane. Bahhaha.
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

, joseph mcelroy

My son loves to hear me sing. When he was three, his favorite song was "Little
Bunny Foo-Foo", which has a refrain of "Little Bunny Foo-Foo, hopping through
the forest, picking up the field mice, and bopping them on the head". I'd sing
this for him and hop around the room like an idiot to get him to giggle. I
love to hear a three-year old laugh.

Joseph



Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:

> On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 [email protected] wrote:
>
> > What is going on is
>
> Nothing of the below *drivel* that you want to present as what's goin
> on:
>
> > that you made a mistake
>
> I didn't make a mistake. I've addressed this article before,
> in my posts to you, and on more than one occasion. Secondly,
> I addressed your claims to Shamanism otherwise.
>
>
> > and are trying to hide it with a straight forward,
> > non-stop,
>
> I am not trying to hide anything, idiot.
> The article was posted as is.
> Only in your 'weakness-seeking' delusional brain
> am I trying to hude anything.
>
> > obtuse style of attack (yes I know, you are not attacking).
>
> Indeed not.
>
> > By refusing to fall prey to slights made at your expense,
>
> You are not making anything 'at my expense' luv.
> It's all at your own expense, and a heavy price it is too.
>
> > continuing to doggedly pursue your victim,
>
> There is nothing 'dogged' about my actions.
> Nor am I victimizing you. You have a way out,
> and the way out is not that of a whining con-man.
> The other way out is for you to leave.
> take your pick.
>
>
> > you probably have conquered many people.
>
> I've no interested in 'conquering' people.
> Your myopic misinterpretations of my actions are your own problem.
> When YOU choose to come into INTERACTION with me however,
> especially in the manner that you did, and with idiotic
> assumpting that all is A-Ok, and it's all a game,
> with your disrespectful attitude towards every single force
> functioning in the universe, and attempt idiotic push-button tricks,
> and simpleton mindfuck games, you will receive the wrong end of
> the stick and JUSTLY so.
>
>
> > Or shut up most of your critics.
>
> What 'critics'? What the fuck is criticism?
> Take your juvenile attitude towards life elsewhere.
> Criticism is a useless gab of the mouth; it accomplishes nothing.
>
> Besides, don't attempt to make yourself 'one of many' to add weight
> to some screaming victim poor me image. This is about YOU and only YOU.
> There are no 'people'.
>
>
> > Thus you think you have discovered a technique of power,
>
> I do not think. And your idiotic insistence on the matter is laughable.
> Power is not a matter of techniques, and I didn't 'discover Power, it
> discovered me.
>
> Secondly, you're simply repeating in a rephrased manner what I wrote
> about you. Scram, shithead.
>
> > a TRUTH.
>
> There is no 'a TRUTH'. And Truth and power are not necessarily related.
> Power is only one aspect of truth, and not that interesting one, really.
> It's a facilitator for accomplishing things.
>
>
> > Clenching your mind, holding tight,
>
> There is no clenching of any minds here, dearest.
> My mind is clear, clear, still, relaxed, and absolutely empty.
>
> > and pushing through obstacles is blindness and bluntness.
>
> You are talking about yourself. I have no obstacles, am neither blind
> nor blunt. Unlike you. So keep your myopic projections to yourself.
>
> I wrote this before, and I will again, only an idiotic cowardly
> shithead reacts to energy in the manner that you do.
>
> > You might have the strength of a battering ram,
>
> This is NOT what's going on, idiot. Life-force or ki,
> is not muscle-force. Disciplined ki is not violence or brute force.
> take your idiotic and myopic peasant misinterpretations of reality
> elsewhere.
>
>
> > but you fail before a mountain.
>
> I am a mountain, idiot. And your insistent 'bashing'
> is your own failure.
>
> > And you hate this.
>
> I hate nothing. You're talking about yourself.
>
> > You hate that you can't be that strong.
>
> I AM that strong luv, and hence your idiotic failures.
>
> > I am a mountain,
>
> You're a raggedy doll and an imbecile.
> Nobody is 'trying to move you'.
> I am simply obviating the con-man twittism of your behavior,
> and your psychotic mistreatment of others.
>
> As for being a 'mountain'–being an oblivious and dense asleep ape with
> lack of energy does not qualify. You're a numbskull. That is all.
>
>
> > you will never move me.
>
> Ftt.
>
> > I am a hurricane, you will never stand against me.
>
> 'Baa. baa. I'm invincible. I really am. I am a shaman. Master of my
> fate'. Laughable and ignorant idiot.
>
> > My sign is the Spiral and my aspect is the Martyr's Wife.
>
> U-hu. And your favorite wizard robe is bright yellow.
>
> Exactly. A delusional con-man.

, joseph mcelroy

We stopped by the bag lady yesterday. Cept now she makes hats. We are going to
trade her a web site for a new hat. They are pretty nice hats, leather and
velvet. I hope they don't make me look silly.

Joseph


Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:

> On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, furtherfield wrote:
>
> > Give it a rest you bitter old hag
>
> I am not bitter nor a hag.
> You post drivel, expect the consequences, and enough with your whining.
>
> > - or should i say 'Punkassbitch'?
>
> Should you? Are you that flat?
>
> > There you go - you are uncovered.
>
> I am hardly uncovered.
> I've made occasional posts pointing to that website for years now.
>
> > What's it like being naked losing your mask?
>
> I am not 'losing my mask'. Nor are you capable of dismantling anyone's
> mask. Idiotic peasant.
>
> > Please do not bother me again,
>
> Go jump from a cliff :)
>
> > I'm very busy at the moment.
>
> Sure are.
>
> > Got a very exciting life to explore & you ain't part of it - bye bye.
> >
> Yet another idiotic childish pose.
> *I got a life and you don't*
> Somehow attempting to elevate your self-importance at the expense
> of others.
>
> Exciting life dearest, produces exciting individuals.
> You're not one, and you are incredibly limpid with regards
> to life-force. Not only that but you confuse disciplined energy
> with 'bitterness'
>
> > best wishes to everyone else who has a more than bitterness…
>
> U-hu. Go take another shot of whiskey and sedate yourself a bit more.
> With your 'exciting life'.
>
> Btw, weren't you going to NOT reply anymore? :))
>
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>
> + tripe
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php

, D42 Kandinskij

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 [email protected] wrote:

> The first Halloween that my mom let me make a costume was around the age of 7.
> We lived in Dallas, Texas then. I made myself a Hobo costume. My mom wanted to
> put a smiley face on me, but I wouldn't let her. I knew Hobo clowns had to be
> sad.

More meaningless drivel-cut outs.
Yet you confirm a major 'symptom' of complete stupor–
namely living in your past, and projecting that all around you.

Relevance to what I wrote? None.

Simply a defensive 'evasive' technique.

, D42 Kandinskij

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 [email protected] wrote:

> We stopped by the bag lady yesterday. Cept now she makes hats. We are going to
> trade her a web site for a new hat. They are pretty nice hats, leather and
> velvet. I hope they don't make me look silly.

More meaningless drivel.

Now you've reached the state of a child in stupor who cannot deal
and is simply spitting out random noise.

can't say I didn't try to warn you though.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

, D42 Kandinskij

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 [email protected] wrote:

> My son loves to hear me sing. When he was three, his favorite song was "Little
> Bunny Foo-Foo", which has a refrain of "Little Bunny Foo-Foo, hopping through
> the forest, picking up the field mice, and bopping them on the head". I'd sing
> this for him and hop around the room like an idiot to get him to giggle. I
> love to hear a three-year old laugh.

Drivel.