Re: RHIZOME_RAW:of human hell

hey Doug-

human hell as an "artisitc device"??? hmmmmmm. difficult question. most
writers tell a [story] to communicate. the [story format] is an artistic
device for revealing/sharing the human experience. many authors have a
"moral" to the story … or a message to communicate. they want you to
follow the story from beginning-to-end and then [get] the moral/message [of
the story].

i go through stories, tv commercials, movies, poems, etc and i ignore the
moral/message/meaning … i post clips on my website (personify.tv) that
show how authors have used the logic (not artistic device) of human hell,
desire, instinct, anger, peace and ecstasy to connect to the audience. to
create empathy for the character.

Doug Lewis wrote
"Is it a Nietzchean quest for the introspective colander?"

If each hole in the "colander" represents a thread of the common self then i
would say yes. the colander as a metaphor for the human condition is very
interesting. if the [holes] in the colander represent those traits that all
humans share then the [space] between the holes is the difference in each of
us … the difference between us [skin color, aptitude, education, etc).

in my opinion, six of the "holes" would be hell, desire, instinct, anger,
peace and ecstasy.

your email suggests that you have a much stronger film theory background
than myself … hence i'm not able to reply to some of your other questions.
i get many of my ideas from philosophy and religious studies.

david goldschmidt
www.personify.tv


—– Original Message —–
From: "Doug Lewis" <[email protected]>
To: "'David Goldschmidt'" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW:of human hell


> Greetings David,
>
> i really enjoyed your susinctity…. This may be a completely redundant
> question, but I am interested in your thoughts as to why this aspect of
the
> human condition as artistic device has stood the test of time…. Bruegel
> to Burroughs…. Is it a Nietzchean quest for the introspective colander?
> )Or maybe a certain Battaillesque hunger to retrace the metadesire through
> pain/pleasure, not as an extension from the self, but as an extension
> towards the(hmmm)other?
> —-
>
> I really liked the comfortable grain in which you wrote - it reminded me
> of Calvino's Mr. Palomar. I am an artist (first) and writer (quite
second)
> and daydream (only on even-numbered days).
>
> best r, Doug Lewis
>
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: David Goldschmidt [SMTP:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 11:10 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: human hell
>
> Like most people, when I'm watching TV, reading the newspaper or listening
> to a song, I am usually searching for meaning in the words and images. I
do
> my best to understand what the author is saying. At other times, however,
I
> am not interested in what it means. I am more interested in recognizing
the
> patterns of thought and experiences that we, as humans, cannot escape.
>
>
> Writers and artists have been revealing the human experience for thousands
> of years. They reveal our humanity … and human hell is a very common
> theme. It is a trait that we cannot escape. Writers and artists are able
to
> express [human hell] because there is a certain logic that reveals itself
> [in the words and actions] of someone trapped in hell.
>
>
> see examples at personify.tv
>
> david goldschmidt
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