From the Greek word limnos, meaning "threshold," liminality describes and in-
between time when what was, is no longer, and what will be, is not yet.
It is a rich and creative time, a destructive time. We must form a vision,
like unto a religion, yet not one, of a new world that will be.
Our vision will embrace a multi-theism world order, no preference or priority
given. Our vision will understand a discipline of selflessness, balanced with
the needs of the individual. Our vision will promote an economy of networks,
small nodes, less property, more distribution.
Fill in the blanks for us.
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
Liminality
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Considering time as a speed betwen"not yet"and"not
anymore"(M.M.Ponty;Phenomenologie de la perception,1945)is ,as we see,an
anciant idea.Folowing that issue in "new phaenomenology"way we can find some
interesting things.E.Husserl
prononce his"Third Path"(1914)as a"non objective,as well as non
psychic"way(best source:Jean-Francois Lyotard-La Phenomenologie,1954).He
intend to doo something to stop great war.Butt,we are in XXI century ,in
permanent war.Tran-Duk-Tao("Marxism et Phenomenologie",Revue
internationale,!9??)responde to Husserl:"Generaly, to make Revolution is not
to established new economy.Phirst for mann kind is to realized to
contemplate esential issues how to becam human been."Realy,it's time to take
sides.But"Donky always take grass,not gold"(Heraclit,fragment 9).Shall we
start talking with LIONS,or eat grass? Is up to us.
MANIK
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From: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
<[email protected]>
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Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Liminality
> >From the Greek word limnos, meaning "threshold," liminality describes and
in-
> between time when what was, is no longer, and what will be, is not yet.
>
> It is a rich and creative time, a destructive time. We must form a
vision,
> like unto a religion, yet not one, of a new world that will be.
>
> Our vision will embrace a multi-theism world order, no preference or
priority
> given. Our vision will understand a discipline of selflessness, balanced
with
> the needs of the individual. Our vision will promote an economy of
networks,
> small nodes, less property, more distribution.
>
> Fill in the blanks for us.
>
> –
> Joseph Franklyn McElroy
> Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]T
> Take the survey they are all talking about…
> http://www.electrichands.com/genius2000
> Electric Hands, Inc
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Quoting manik <[email protected]>:
> take
> sides.But"Donky always take grass,not gold"(Heraclit,fragment 9).Shall we
> start talking with LIONS,or eat grass? Is up to us.
> MANIK
Almost forty years ago, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, who was then serving as Pakistan's
Foreign Minister, famously declared "even if Pakistanis have to eat grass we
will make the bomb." Since then, India and Pakistan have fought two
conventional wars and now have nuclear weapons poised to complete the short
five-minute arc to the other's national capital.
Changing the nature of humans will not work, we are neither Lions or Donkeys.
We eat grass and spit fire. It is the vision we follow, the dream of the
future both here and after, how to achieve a comfortable/acclaimed/safe/etc
place in it. The formula/pattern of our lives… we need new life scientists,
creating new visions.
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
GOTO COLLECTIVE UNCONSCIOUS (Wednesdays) OR SURF REALITY (Sundays)
IN THE LOWER EAST SIDE
They have been doing it for years
on 8/2/02 11:30 PM, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance]
Art[ist] at [email protected] wrote:
>> From the Greek word limnos, meaning "threshold," liminality describes and in-
> between time when what was, is no longer, and what will be, is not yet.
>
> It is a rich and creative time, a destructive time. We must form a vision,
> like unto a religion, yet not one, of a new world that will be.
>
> Our vision will embrace a multi-theism world order, no preference or priority
> given. Our vision will understand a discipline of selflessness, balanced with
> the needs of the individual. Our vision will promote an economy of networks,
> small nodes, less property, more distribution.
>
> Fill in the blanks for us.
…Mr.Ali Bhuto wear lambs heat on his head.What's the name of this expesive
black-silwer-gray fur? Lamb race?I know. Is that realy truth that India and
Pakistan poses A-bomb?!?Realy?How sad.About 300% more cancer is in Serbia
after their atomic colateral exersizing(spring 1999.)Are you some kind of
retired Popaye?You have nathing with fire.Eat spinach and expected green
kaka-gugu.No more free lessons.Working hard to deserve ansver.
MANIK
…provokes, makes transparent the different indexes of minority
(woman-minority, artist-minority, artistic action-minority, number-minority,
nation-minority, personality/individual-minority, choice-minority). Thus it
corresponds with my status and life/the production of meaning in that
status, in that zone. That is why I decided, once again, to rhetorically
advocate the Space /Zone which cannot be inhabited (VERWERFUNG). It is
that socially unacceptable space that I choose, mostly isolated but densely
populated and because of all the characteristics necessary in order to
define, describe and expand the area of the subject. Aware how much the role
of the subject is subversive in regards to cloned and hypnotic social
contracts on which the history of gender is in most cases based.
Kopakabana-Apocalipsa-Adis Abeba-Stay always with me
PLUMBER
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From: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
<[email protected]>
To: "manik" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>;
<[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Liminality
>
> Quoting manik <[email protected]>:
>
> > take
> > sides.But"Donky always take grass,not gold"(Heraclit,fragment 9).Shall
we
> > start talking with LIONS,or eat grass? Is up to us.
> > MANIK
>
>
> Almost forty years ago, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, who was then serving as
Pakistan's
> Foreign Minister, famously declared "even if Pakistanis have to eat grass
we
> will make the bomb." Since then, India and Pakistan have fought two
> conventional wars and now have nuclear weapons poised to complete the
short
> five-minute arc to the other's national capital.
>
> Changing the nature of humans will not work, we are neither Lions or
Donkeys.
> We eat grass and spit fire. It is the vision we follow, the dream of the
> future both here and after, how to achieve a
comfortable/acclaimed/safe/etc
> place in it. The formula/pattern of our lives… we need new life
scientists,
> creating new visions.
>
> –
> Joseph Franklyn McElroy
> Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]T
> Take the survey they are all talking about…
> http://www.electrichands.com/genius2000
> Electric Hands, Inc
> 212.255.4527
> www.electrichands.com
> [email protected]
>
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In a message dated 8/3/2002 7:27:00 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected]
writes:
> Considering time as a speed betwen"not yet"and"not
> anymore"(
Yeah so what.
> GOTO COLLECTIVE UNCONSCIOUS (Wednesdays) OR SURF REALITY (Sundays)
> IN THE LOWER EAST SIDE
> They have been doing it for years
Been there done that.
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
Quoting manik <[email protected]>:
> Are you some kind of
> retired Popaye?You have nathing with fire.Eat spinach and expected green
> kaka-gugu.No more free lessons.
I am pluto. I am the hamburger man. I am Olive. I am Peewee. I am Popeye the
Sailor Man. But I either have retired since I was 28 or I will never retire.
> MANIK
> …provokes, makes transparent the different indexes of minority
> (woman-minority, artist-minority, artistic action-minority,
> number-minority,
> nation-minority, personality/individual-minority, choice-minority). Thus
> it
> corresponds with my status and life/the production of meaning in that
> status, in that zone. That is why I decided, once again, to rhetorically
> advocate the Space /Zone which cannot be inhabited (VERWERFUNG). It is
> that socially unacceptable space that I choose, mostly isolated but densely
> populated and because of all the characteristics necessary in order to
> define, describe and expand the area of the subject. Aware how much the
> role
> of the subject is subversive in regards to cloned and hypnotic social
> contracts on which the history of gender is in most cases based.
> Kopakabana-Apocalipsa-Adis Abeba-Stay always with me
Lets divide and divide and divide and divide and divide until we find out there
is several billion minority groups each composed of one. Then each group can
fight for their own religion, country, and shoe style preference.
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
> That is why I decided, once again, to rhetorically
> > advocate the Space /Zone which cannot be inhabited (VERWERFUNG).
I think this is a good idea Manik. What about the time that cannot be
inhabited however? Also, the idea of dark matter and dark energy, if you
mean this more metaphorically.
I'm sure your work is excellent.
Max Herman
genius2000.net
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5. Library "Brikolage"
The books we suggest are Georges Battaille
Yes,divide!You are not so stupid as I tought.
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From: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
<[email protected]>
To: "manik" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>;
<[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 6:33 AM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Liminality
> Quoting manik <[email protected]>:
>
>
>
> > MANIK
> > …provokes, makes transparent the different indexes of minority
> > (woman-minority, artist-minority, artistic action-minority,
> > number-minority,
> > nation-minority, personality/individual-minority, choice-minority).
Thus
> > it
> > corresponds with my status and life/the production of meaning in that
> > status, in that zone. That is why I decided, once again, to rhetorically
> > advocate the Space /Zone which cannot be inhabited (VERWERFUNG). It is
> > that socially unacceptable space that I choose, mostly isolated but
densely
> > populated and because of all the characteristics necessary in order to
> > define, describe and expand the area of the subject. Aware how much the
> > role
> > of the subject is subversive in regards to cloned and hypnotic social
> > contracts on which the history of gender is in most cases based.
> > Kopakabana-Apocalipsa-Adis Abeba-Stay always with me
>
>
> Lets divide and divide and divide and divide and divide until we find out
there
> is several billion minority groups each composed of one. Then each group
can
> fight for their own religion, country, and shoe style preference.
>
> –
> Joseph Franklyn McElroy
> Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]T
> Electric Hands, Inc
> 212.255.4527
> www.electrichands.com
> [email protected]
>
>
>
>
> Did you read all that in a book, or did you make it up all by your own
self.
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
> > <[email protected]>
> > To: "manik" <[email protected]>
> > Cc: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>;
> > <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 5:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Liminality
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Quoting manik <[email protected]>:
> > >
> > > > take
> > > > sides.But"Donky always take grass,not gold"(Heraclit,fragment
9).Shall
> > we
> > > > start talking with LIONS,or eat grass? Is up to us.
> > > > MANIK
> > >
> > >
> > > Almost forty years ago, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, who was then serving as
> > Pakistan's
> > > Foreign Minister, famously declared "even if Pakistanis have to eat
grass
> > we
> > > will make the bomb." Since then, India and Pakistan have fought two
> > > conventional wars and now have nuclear weapons poised to complete the
> > short
> > > five-minute arc to the other's national capital.
> > >
> > > Changing the nature of humans will not work, we are neither Lions or
> > Donkeys.
> > > We eat grass and spit fire. It is the vision we follow, the dream of
> > the
> > > future both here and after, how to achieve a
> > comfortable/acclaimed/safe/etc
> > > place in it. The formula/pattern of our lives… we need new life
> > scientists,
> > > creating new visions.
> > >
> > > –
> > > Joseph Franklyn McElroy
> > > Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]T
> > > Take the survey they are all talking about…
> > > http://www.electrichands.com/genius2000
> > > Electric Hands, Inc
> > > 212.255.4527
> > > www.electrichands.com
> > > [email protected]
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Phirst for mann kind is to realized to
contemplate esential issues how to becam human been."
I agree…
marc
Dear Marc,I'm going to use this oportunity to say something to all
"chat"rhizomers.It was nice to spend some time with you.
We can made endless diskusion about ewerything,but what's the point?I'm
45.obwisly all the athers are younger.My agly&agresive behiwe/stile was with
purpose.So,Max if you want to became genius,pretend that you are.And you
will be one day(S.Daly).Natalie,you are wery sensitive.Hardest for me was to
hurt you.Joseph,off course:you are Popaye The Sailer,also&same time you are
Oliva,whatewer you want to bee.Your hart is full of love and thats most
important.Curt,Plumber is caracter from Peter Weir early film(I dont
remember name,but it's from his Australian period),thank's for your few
words.
Marc,I'm waiting for my translater to see what's exectly in your
message.Anyway,instead diferent point of wiew, I like you all.
Thank you for Oscar.(Tiers,he look et phalusoid phigure,speachless,dan
ewerybady stay on legs.Big aplaus.Tiers in public.)
DEAD END=RISING HOPE
MANIK
—– Original Message —–
From: "furtherfield" <[email protected]>
To: "manik" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Liminality
> Phirst for mann kind is to realized to
> contemplate esential issues how to becam human been."
>
> I agree…
>
> marc
>
>
>
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Hello Manik,
Shucks is the order of the day…
I saw your project on free manifesto - looked good. Even though there are
language differences between indivuals on the list, I am sure that generally
everyone will try to understand more because of this fact - cleverness is a
distraction/understanding takes time…
much respect from marc
> Dear Marc,I'm going to use this oportunity to say something to all
> "chat"rhizomers.It was nice to spend some time with you.
> We can made endless diskusion about ewerything,but what's the point?I'm
> 45.obwisly all the athers are younger.My agly&agresive behiwe/stile was
with
> purpose.So,Max if you want to became genius,pretend that you are.And you
> will be one day(S.Daly).Natalie,you are wery sensitive.Hardest for me was
to
> hurt you.Joseph,off course:you are Popaye The Sailer,also&same time you
are
> Oliva,whatewer you want to bee.Your hart is full of love and thats most
> important.Curt,Plumber is caracter from Peter Weir early film(I dont
> remember name,but it's from his Australian period),thank's for your few
> words.
> Marc,I'm waiting for my translater to see what's exectly in your
> message.Anyway,instead diferent point of wiew, I like you all.
> Thank you for Oscar.(Tiers,he look et phalusoid phigure,speachless,dan
> ewerybady stay on legs.Big aplaus.Tiers in public.)
> DEAD END=RISING HOPE
> MANIK
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "furtherfield" <[email protected]>
> To: "manik" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 1:48 PM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Liminality
>
>
> > Phirst for mann kind is to realized to
> > contemplate esential issues how to becam human been."
> >
> > I agree…
> >
> > marc
> >
> >
> >
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Quoting manik <[email protected]>:
> Yes,divide!You are not so stupid as I tought.
No, I am as stupid as I seem to be.
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]