Rhizome @ DEAF03

<We are particularly
> interested in
> discussing the potential emergence of a Rhizome node
> or offshoot in Europe.>
Hmmm -I think I know what you mean Mark, but for those
of us in old Europe who've been enthusiastic
participants in both list and artbase for a good while
it might have been put perhaps a little more
diplomatically - it would be nice to have a discussion
about it on the list, or a set of proposals/thoughts
on the site, for those of us whom work or cash
precludes 'being in the Rotterdam hood'
best
Michael



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On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Mark Tribe wrote:

> Rhizome.org is participating in DEAF03 (the Dutch Electronic Art
> Festival) in Rotterdam as an Open Territories Workspace. If you're in
> the Rotterdam hood, please stop by and visit! We are particularly
> interested in discussing the potential emergence of a Rhizome node or
> offshoot in Europe.

That certainly must be due to "poor Rhizome's" tough
survival situation :)

Francis and I have net access here, so this would be a good time to discuss
a potential European Rhizome node on the list. Local offshoots or nodes
could take many forms and serve various purposes, from opening up
participation in different languages to facilitating local outreach and
tapping into local resources.

Our closing presentation on Saturday at 16:00 (4pm) Central European Time
will also be webcast and will have a parallel IRC chat. To view the live
stream, go to http://deaf.v2.nl/deaf/03/live/live.html. To participate in
the live chat, go to to the same URL,
http://deaf.v2.nl/deaf/03/live/live.html, and select the #openterritories
IRC channel.

At 05:08 PM 2/26/2003 -0800, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
><We are particularly
> > interested in
> > discussing the potential emergence of a Rhizome node
> > or offshoot in Europe.>
>Hmmm -I think I know what you mean Mark, but for those
>of us in old Europe who've been enthusiastic
>participants in both list and artbase for a good while
>it might have been put perhaps a little more
>diplomatically - it would be nice to have a discussion
>about it on the list, or a set of proposals/thoughts
>on the site, for those of us whom work or cash
>precludes 'being in the Rotterdam hood'
>best
>Michael
>
>
>
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mmm…

Sounds interesting.

marc

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> Francis and I have net access here, so this would be a good time to
discuss
> a potential European Rhizome node on the list. Local offshoots or nodes
> could take many forms and serve various purposes, from opening up
> participation in different languages to facilitating local outreach and
> tapping into local resources.
>
> Our closing presentation on Saturday at 16:00 (4pm) Central European Time
> will also be webcast and will have a parallel IRC chat. To view the live
> stream, go to http://deaf.v2.nl/deaf/03/live/live.html. To participate in
> the live chat, go to to the same URL,
> http://deaf.v2.nl/deaf/03/live/live.html, and select the #openterritories
> IRC channel.
>
> At 05:08 PM 2/26/2003 -0800, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
> ><We are particularly
> > > interested in
> > > discussing the potential emergence of a Rhizome node
> > > or offshoot in Europe.>
> >Hmmm -I think I know what you mean Mark, but for those
> >of us in old Europe who've been enthusiastic
> >participants in both list and artbase for a good while
> >it might have been put perhaps a little more
> >diplomatically - it would be nice to have a discussion
> >about it on the list, or a set of proposals/thoughts
> >on the site, for those of us whom work or cash
> >precludes 'being in the Rotterdam hood'
> >best
> >Michael
> >
> >
> >
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I agree,

Obviously Net Art Clique circles do not reside on the list here…it has
been pre-ordianed it seems - not open for discussion. May be the list users
are just income-based space fillers, and not necessarily people that the
Rhizome gang wish to explore new opportunities with. I think that this is
quite obvious really…

Even if we are based in Europe, and could offer strong links and
ideas/funding regarding such ventures. The reality is, that it is much more
to do with institutional connections rather than bottom up creativity.
Therefore those who are pretty good at getting imaginative things going but
do not have the immediate institutional clout will be left on the
side-lines, sounds familiar? Or grudgingly taken into the fold because they
are a pain the ass as a niggling enemy.

To be honest, Michael - there are other ventures that are
happening/formulating right now that we ourselves are involved in, and we do
not isolate anyone - whatever their backgrounds or connections. People are
always under the deluded impression that if someone has the connections that
they will be useful - not always true. We are more interested in
compassionate, explorative individuals and what they can offer on their own
terms with their own directed energy, this opens up avenues to make amazing
things happen. The beauty of creating something special is that there is
real love generosity involved and not just connection based concepts. That
is what makes things work - people will learn this sooner or later, to form
a good working relationship with others is not just by curriculum based
snobism. We have a group right now in the UK who are getting together to
form somethiing that people can truly feel part of, and it will
significantly challenge insitutional 'default divide and rule' methodology.
If you really want to change things, you start with people - not academics
alone. People are the source and the reason to do anything worthwhile. Let's
topple this cynical rome!


daring to want a less isolationist world…

marc




>
> <We are particularly
> > interested in
> > discussing the potential emergence of a Rhizome node
> > or offshoot in Europe.>
> Hmmm -I think I know what you mean Mark, but for those
> of us in old Europe who've been enthusiastic
> participants in both list and artbase for a good while
> it might have been put perhaps a little more
> diplomatically - it would be nice to have a discussion
> about it on the list, or a set of proposals/thoughts
> on the site, for those of us whom work or cash
> precludes 'being in the Rotterdam hood'
> best
> Michael
>
>
>
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bloody typical
finally get round to talking about european rhizome when I'm in new
york…
jess



At Friday, 28 February 2003, you wrote:

>Francis and I have net access here, so this would be a good time
to discuss
>a potential European Rhizome node on the list. Local offshoots or
nodes
>could take many forms and serve various purposes, from opening up
>participation in different languages to facilitating local outreach
and
>tapping into local resources.
>
>Our closing presentation on Saturday at 16:00 (4pm) Central European
Time
>will also be webcast and will have a parallel IRC chat. To view
the live
>stream, go to http://deaf.v2.nl/deaf/03/live/live.html. To participate
in
>the live chat, go to to the same URL,
>http://deaf.v2.nl/deaf/03/live/live.html, and select the #openterritories

>IRC channel.
>
>At 05:08 PM 2/26/2003 -0800, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
>><We are particularly
>> > interested in
>> > discussing the potential emergence of a Rhizome node
>> > or offshoot in Europe.>
>>Hmmm -I think I know what you mean Mark, but for those
>>of us in old Europe who've been enthusiastic
>>participants in both list and artbase for a good while
>>it might have been put perhaps a little more
>>diplomatically - it would be nice to have a discussion
>>about it on the list, or a set of proposals/thoughts
>>on the site, for those of us whom work or cash
>>precludes 'being in the Rotterdam hood'
>>best
>>Michael
>>
>>
>>
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that of
>>the sender and does not bind the precautions to minimise authority
in any
>>way. If you copy or distribute this by software viruses email.
We have
>>taken the risk of transmitting software viruses, but we advise
that you
>>carry out your own virus attachment to this message. Internet email
that
>>you observe this lack is not a secure communication medium, and
we advise
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>>Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more
>>http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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>>-> questions: [email protected]
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rhiz
>>-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>>+
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>>Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.
php
>
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lovely, marc

—– Original Message —–
From: "marc.garrett" <[email protected]>
To: "Michael Szpakowski" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 6:19 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: RHIZOME_RARE: Re: Rhizome @ DEAF03


> I agree,
>
> Obviously Net Art Clique circles do not reside on the list here…it has
> been pre-ordianed it seems - not open for discussion. May be the list
users
> are just income-based space fillers, and not necessarily people that the
> Rhizome gang wish to explore new opportunities with. I think that this is
> quite obvious really…
>
> Even if we are based in Europe, and could offer strong links and
> ideas/funding regarding such ventures. The reality is, that it is much
more
> to do with institutional connections rather than bottom up creativity.
> Therefore those who are pretty good at getting imaginative things going
but
> do not have the immediate institutional clout will be left on the
> side-lines, sounds familiar? Or grudgingly taken into the fold because
they
> are a pain the ass as a niggling enemy.
>
> To be honest, Michael - there are other ventures that are
> happening/formulating right now that we ourselves are involved in, and we
do
> not isolate anyone - whatever their backgrounds or connections. People are
> always under the deluded impression that if someone has the connections
that
> they will be useful - not always true. We are more interested in
> compassionate, explorative individuals and what they can offer on their
own
> terms with their own directed energy, this opens up avenues to make
amazing
> things happen. The beauty of creating something special is that there is
> real love generosity involved and not just connection based concepts. That
> is what makes things work - people will learn this sooner or later, to
form
> a good working relationship with others is not just by curriculum based
> snobism. We have a group right now in the UK who are getting together to
> form somethiing that people can truly feel part of, and it will
> significantly challenge insitutional 'default divide and rule'
methodology.
> If you really want to change things, you start with people - not academics
> alone. People are the source and the reason to do anything worthwhile.
Let's
> topple this cynical rome!
>
>
> daring to want a less isolationist world…
>
> marc
>
>
>
>
> >
> > <We are particularly
> > > interested in
> > > discussing the potential emergence of a Rhizome node
> > > or offshoot in Europe.>
> > Hmmm -I think I know what you mean Mark, but for those
> > of us in old Europe who've been enthusiastic
> > participants in both list and artbase for a good while
> > it might have been put perhaps a little more
> > diplomatically - it would be nice to have a discussion
> > about it on the list, or a set of proposals/thoughts
> > on the site, for those of us whom work or cash
> > precludes 'being in the Rotterdam hood'
> > best
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > =====
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taken
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out
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> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more
> > http://taxes.yahoo.com/
> >
> >
>
>
>
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