miles davis and new media

Beautifully put, Eduardo.
The original comparison strikes me as about as useful
as comparing a tomato and a hairbrush.
I too am a Miles fan & a more pertinent question, it
seems to me, is why his work is not universally hailed
as great in the same way as the "art" music greats
are.
It is every bit as complex, multilayered and subtle.
Here I don't think it is amiss to find a certain
institutionalised racism at play ( and I write this
fully aware that many of Miles' sidepeople were white,
as are many cutting edge jazz performers today, for
example Brad Mehldau, who is simply the most
interesting piano player in *any* genre as far as I'm
concerned)

The point I'm *not* making is that all musics are
equal -I hold to a rather unfashionable distinction
between high and low art. My point rather is that
Miles, Coltrane, Coleman et al by any possible
criteria clearly belong in the "high" category.

regards
michael





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———————————
Hello Eric,

I normally read through most material that goes
through the list anddon't reply, mainly due to time
constraints, or because othersoften say it before I
get to the keyboard. But you have made aremark that I
find the need to comment on, partly because it is a
bitproblematic.

You write:
"Perhaps because he's black, from a culture we just
don't get, wewill then escape the stupidity of our
fathers history.
No. That doesnot work. We have to face the reality of
Miles Davis, and cringe in ourfailures.
New media is nothing, and there are cultures far
advancedof us."
————-

You are here assuming that everyone else on the list
is not black, itappears. Who is "we" exactly? This
is the main reason why Iam writing. Please reflect on
what your statement reallyimplies. There is no need
to defend yourself, but the statementis problematic.

And since I already writing, I will also say that I
amheavily involved with music and Miles is one of my
main Jazzinfluences. I am familiar with both discs
that you mention and Ithink that they are truly
incredible pieces of art. But I amnot sure why you
place him in opposition to new media. Miles
wasactually very interested in what was going on in
contemporaryculture. His last album from 1991, which
you may alreadyknow, explored the relationship of Hip
Hop with Be-Bop. He named the Album Doo-Bop. Check
the word:
http://www.sweeting.org/mark/mp3/Miles_Davis/Doo-Bop.html
It was produced with Kool-Mo-Be. It is a remarkable
synthesisbetween loops, samples and improvizational
jazz, including twotracks produced posthumously around
his sampled trumpet solos, andwhich are
indistinguishable from his other compositions,which
where improvised in the studio. Miles embraced
whathis culture offered him at the same time that he
contributed to enhanceit by making material for the
future with what was new inhis own time. He embraced
the new, just like any othercreative cat would and
should do. So let's not put himon a pedestal in
opposition to theoriticians or emergingtechnologies.

Best,

Eduardo



——– Original Message ——–
Subject:[SPAM] RHIZOME_RAW: miles davis and new media
From: "Eric Dymond"<[email protected]>
Date: Thu, August 05, 2004 9:40pm
To: [email protected]

Miles and the Virtual

Tonight,not unlike any other night I have been
listening to MilesDavis.
Tonight I played Miles Davis Live from Montreaux and
KindaBlue.
Why do these sounds escape the rules of
virtualencoding?
How is it that a mere human being can so deftly craft
artthat easily escapes the rules of new media.
He destroys Benjamin,Gutarri, Deleuze and the rest.And
he does it so easily. Why?How?
Does he see the world in a panoplay so different than
therest?
Does he escape human boundaries?
Apparently he does. Sowhat are we left with?
Maybe we should force ourselves to ignorehim. Banish
him because he does not follow the new order.
How do wefit Miles Davis into the new media history.
Perhaps because he'sblack, from a culture we just
don't get, we will then escape thestupidity of our
fathers history.
No. That does not work. We have toface the reality of
Miles Davis, and cringe in our failures.
Newmedia is nothing, and there are cultures far
advanced ofus.
Eric
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Miles is one of those revolutionary geniuses that runs into trouble
because he's so far ahead of his time, that his contemporaries can't
fathom what he's doing. Like Duchamp, his ideas are so profound that
they manage to alter peoples way of thinking about certain things. When
time finally catches up, these ideas become 'common knowledge' and a lot
of old critics are left feeling kind of stupid. As far as the
'greatness' of his music goes, I guess we travel in different circles. I
thought Miles was up there with the best of them.

Pall


On fos, 2004-08-06 at 11:31, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
> Beautifully put, Eduardo.
> The original comparison strikes me as about as useful
> as comparing a tomato and a hairbrush.
> I too am a Miles fan & a more pertinent question, it
> seems to me, is why his work is not universally hailed
> as great in the same way as the "art" music greats
> are.
> It is every bit as complex, multilayered and subtle.
> Here I don't think it is amiss to find a certain
> institutionalised racism at play ( and I write this
> fully aware that many of Miles' sidepeople were white,
> as are many cutting edge jazz performers today, for
> example Brad Mehldau, who is simply the most
> interesting piano player in *any* genre as far as I'm
> concerned)
>
> The point I'm *not* making is that all musics are
> equal -I hold to a rather unfashionable distinction
> between high and low art. My point rather is that
> Miles, Coltrane, Coleman et al by any possible
> criteria clearly belong in the "high" category.
>
> regards
> michael
>
>
>
>
>
> — [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> ———————————
> Hello Eric,
>
> I normally read through most material that goes
> through the list anddon't reply, mainly due to time
> constraints, or because othersoften say it before I
> get to the keyboard. But you have made aremark that I
> find the need to comment on, partly because it is a
> bitproblematic.
>
> You write:
> "Perhaps because he's black, from a culture we just
> don't get, wewill then escape the stupidity of our
> fathers history.
> No. That doesnot work. We have to face the reality of
> Miles Davis, and cringe in ourfailures.
> New media is nothing, and there are cultures far
> advancedof us."
> ————-
>
> You are here assuming that everyone else on the list
> is not black, itappears. Who is "we" exactly? This
> is the main reason why Iam writing. Please reflect on
> what your statement reallyimplies. There is no need
> to defend yourself, but the statementis problematic.
>
> And since I already writing, I will also say that I
> amheavily involved with music and Miles is one of my
> main Jazzinfluences. I am familiar with both discs
> that you mention and Ithink that they are truly
> incredible pieces of art. But I amnot sure why you
> place him in opposition to new media. Miles
> wasactually very interested in what was going on in
> contemporaryculture. His last album from 1991, which
> you may alreadyknow, explored the relationship of Hip
> Hop with Be-Bop. He named the Album Doo-Bop. Check
> the word:
> http://www.sweeting.org/mark/mp3/Miles_Davis/Doo-Bop.html
> It was produced with Kool-Mo-Be. It is a remarkable
> synthesisbetween loops, samples and improvizational
> jazz, including twotracks produced posthumously around
> his sampled trumpet solos, andwhich are
> indistinguishable from his other compositions,which
> where improvised in the studio. Miles embraced
> whathis culture offered him at the same time that he
> contributed to enhanceit by making material for the
> future with what was new inhis own time. He embraced
> the new, just like any othercreative cat would and
> should do. So let's not put himon a pedestal in
> opposition to theoriticians or emergingtechnologies.
>
> Best,
>
> Eduardo
>
>
>
> ——– Original Message ——–
> Subject:[SPAM] RHIZOME_RAW: miles davis and new media
> From: "Eric Dymond"<[email protected]>
> Date: Thu, August 05, 2004 9:40pm
> To: [email protected]
>
> Miles and the Virtual
>
> Tonight,not unlike any other night I have been
> listening to MilesDavis.
> Tonight I played Miles Davis Live from Montreaux and
> KindaBlue.
> Why do these sounds escape the rules of
> virtualencoding?
> How is it that a mere human being can so deftly craft
> artthat easily escapes the rules of new media.
> He destroys Benjamin,Gutarri, Deleuze and the rest.And
> he does it so easily. Why?How?
> Does he see the world in a panoplay so different than
> therest?
> Does he escape human boundaries?
> Apparently he does. Sowhat are we left with?
> Maybe we should force ourselves to ignorehim. Banish
> him because he does not follow the new order.
> How do wefit Miles Davis into the new media history.
> Perhaps because he'sblack, from a culture we just
> don't get, we will then escape thestupidity of our
> fathers history.
> No. That does not work. We have toface the reality of
> Miles Davis, and cringe in our failures.
> Newmedia is nothing, and there are cultures far
> advanced ofus.
> Eric
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Yes - Eduardo - very necessary point regarding the perceived color of
"New Media." hopefully more people were thinking this, if not writing
in…
and yes, the comparison with Miles is, well, not really a comparison…
but it got me thinking about records i haven't listened to in a while…
anyone ever listen to Rahsaan Roland Kirk?
http://www.alfanet.hu/kirk/index2.html
freakin' amazing.
ryan

oooooh Rahsaan Roland Kirk!!!!!! :)
I actually had a Miles, Mingus and Roland Kirk day! it was nice to get
recommended some music today,.. instead of having to pick it myself.

I am listening to SONIC YOUTH. Another set of great visionaries, that
work well with the "IDEA" of creating "NEW MEDIA"

I really enjoy all that i have learned from (all of the above). I
actually think that sonic youth and miles are quite similar.

hmmm. -me

ryan griffis wrote:

> Yes - Eduardo - very necessary point regarding the perceived color of
> "New Media." hopefully more people were thinking this, if not writing
> in…
> and yes, the comparison with Miles is, well, not really a comparison…
> but it got me thinking about records i haven't listened to in a while…
> anyone ever listen to Rahsaan Roland Kirk?
> http://www.alfanet.hu/kirk/index2.html
> freakin' amazing.
> ryan
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the last of the rock stars
when hip-hop drove the big cars
in the time when new media
was the big idea
- u2 (2000)

truly wonderful are these bill laswell dub "translations" of Miles' electric era:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000062GA/
and these remixes of those translations:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000J2PC/

_
_

> — [email protected] wrote:
>
>
But I amnot sure why you
> place him in opposition to new media. Miles
> wasactually very interested in what was going on in
> contemporaryculture. His last album from 1991, which
> you may alreadyknow, explored the relationship of Hip
> Hop with Be-Bop. He named the Album Doo-Bop. Check
> the word:
> http://www.sweeting.org/mark/mp3/Miles_Davis/Doo-Bop.html
> It was produced with Kool-Mo-Be. It is a remarkable
> synthesisbetween loops, samples and improvizational
> jazz, including twotracks produced posthumously around
> his sampled trumpet solos, andwhich are
> indistinguishable from his other compositions,which
> where improvised in the studio. Miles embraced
> whathis culture offered him at the same time that he
> contributed to enhanceit by making material for the
> future with what was new inhis own time. He embraced
> the new, just like any othercreative cat would and
> should do. So let's not put himon a pedestal in
> opposition to theoriticians or emergingtechnologies.
>
> Best,
>
> Eduardo

"Don't wanna be an American idiot
Don't want a nation under the new media
Hey, can you hear the sound of hysteria?
The subliminal mind-fuck America"

data.src:
title: American Idiot
artist: Green Day
date: 2004

On Aug 7, 2004, at 1:34 PM, curt cloninger wrote:
> the last of the rock stars
> when hip-hop drove the big cars
> in the time when new media
> was the big idea
> - u2 (2000)

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Funny you mentioned him (Roland Kirk).
Kirk and Davis mastered new media before it was known as new media.
Kirk is another soul who needs some recognition today.
The electronics, and the shear mindbending power of his solos still leaves me Breathless. ;-).
Davis though, he spans the dacades from 1940's through 1980's.
Always forgetting what made him successful.
He is how we deal with the onslaught, and seems to me more experimental, more lively and current than Warhol (sorry, love him …, but really, how do they compare?)

Eric

But you should wonder,
Why isn't Miles Davis isnn't refernced or mentioned in any major histories of New Media?
I ahve a good collection of books from the M.I.T. press, and he he isn't mentioned
Eric

ahhhh, for me…miles, yeah, sonic youth definitely…how about stereolab?

bliss
l


jeremy <[email protected]> wrote:
oooooh Rahsaan Roland Kirk!!!!!! :)
I actually had a Miles, Mingus and Roland Kirk day! it was nice to get
recommended some music today,.. instead of having to pick it myself.

I am listening to SONIC YOUTH. Another set of great visionaries, that
work well with the "IDEA" of creating "NEW MEDIA"

I really enjoy all that i have learned from (all of the above). I
actually think that sonic youth and miles are quite similar.

hmmm. -me

ryan griffis wrote:

> Yes - Eduardo - very necessary point regarding the perceived color of
> "New Media." hopefully more people were thinking this, if not writing
> in…
> and yes, the comparison with Miles is, well, not really a comparison…
> but it got me thinking about records i haven't listened to in a while…
> anyone ever listen to Rahsaan Roland Kirk?
> http://www.alfanet.hu/kirk/index2.html
> freakin' amazing.
> ryan
>
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i don't think you'd find many to dispute that here—one studies miles in school, along with chopin…

____oooooh_____will someone mix some miles up with some chopin?_____

bliss
l


Michael Szpakowski <[email protected]> wrote:
Beautifully put, Eduardo.
The original comparison strikes me as about as useful
as comparing a tomato and a hairbrush.
I too am a Miles fan & a more pertinent question, it
seems to me, is why his work is not universally hailed
as great in the same way as the "art" music greats
are.
It is every bit as complex, multilayered and subtle.
Here I don't think it is amiss to find a certain
institutionalised racism at play ( and I write this
fully aware that many of Miles' sidepeople were white,
as are many cutting edge jazz performers today, for
example Brad Mehldau, who is simply the most
interesting piano player in *any* genre as far as I'm
concerned)

The point I'm *not* making is that all musics are
equal -I hold to a rather unfashionable distinction
between high and low art. My point rather is that
Miles, Coltrane, Coleman et al by any possible
criteria clearly belong in the "high" category.

regards
michael





— [email protected] wrote:


———————————
Hello Eric,

I normally read through most material that goes
through the list anddon't reply, mainly due to time
constraints, or because othersoften say it before I
get to the keyboard. But you have made aremark that I
find the need to comment on, partly because it is a
bitproblematic.

You write:
"Perhaps because he's black, from a culture we just
don't get, wewill then escape the stupidity of our
fathers history.
No. That doesnot work. We have to face the reality of
Miles Davis, and cringe in ourfailures.
New media is nothing, and there are cultures far
advancedof us."
————-

You are here assuming that everyone else on the list
is not black, itappears. Who is "we" exactly? This
is the main reason why Iam writing. Please reflect on
what your statement reallyimplies. There is no need
to defend yourself, but the statementis problematic.

And since I already writing, I will also say that I
amheavily involved with music and Miles is one of my
main Jazzinfluences. I am familiar with both discs
that you mention and Ithink that they are truly
incredible pieces of art. But I amnot sure why you
place him in opposition to new media. Miles
wasactually very interested in what was going on in
contemporaryculture. His last album from 1991, which
you may alreadyknow, explored the relationship of Hip
Hop with Be-Bop. He named the Album Doo-Bop. Check
the word:
http://www.sweeting.org/mark/mp3/Miles_Davis/Doo-Bop.html
It was produced with Kool-Mo-Be. It is a remarkable
synthesisbetween loops, samples and improvizational
jazz, including twotracks produced posthumously around
his sampled trumpet solos, andwhich are
indistinguishable from his other compositions,which
where improvised in the studio. Miles embraced
whathis culture offered him at the same time that he
contributed to enhanceit by making material for the
future with what was new inhis own time. He embraced
the new, just like any othercreative cat would and
should do. So let's not put himon a pedestal in
opposition to theoriticians or emergingtechnologies.

Best,

Eduardo



——– Original Message ——–
Subject:[SPAM] RHIZOME_RAW: miles davis and new media
From: "Eric Dymond"
Date: Thu, August 05, 2004 9:40pm
To: [email protected]

Miles and the Virtual

Tonight,not unlike any other night I have been
listening to MilesDavis.
Tonight I played Miles Davis Live from Montreaux and
KindaBlue.
Why do these sounds escape the rules of
virtualencoding?
How is it that a mere human being can so deftly craft
artthat easily escapes the rules of new media.
He destroys Benjamin,Gutarri, Deleuze and the rest.And
he does it so easily. Why?How?
Does he see the world in a panoplay so different than
therest?
Does he escape human boundaries?
Apparently he does. Sowhat are we left with?
Maybe we should force ourselves to ignorehim. Banish
him because he does not follow the new order.
How do wefit Miles Davis into the new media history.
Perhaps because he'sblack, from a culture we just
don't get, we will then escape thestupidity of our
fathers history.
No. That does not work. We have toface the reality of
Miles Davis, and cringe in our failures.
Newmedia is nothing, and there are cultures far
advanced ofus.
Eric
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No, Davis was different, and different in an important way.
He collaborated the way new media artists collaborate. Unlike Mingus and Kirk, who were pretty tyrannical, Davis changed and moved with each ensemble. Please describe another artist of this period who changed and evolved while keeping the integrity of the process.
He embraced new musicians and new technologies like noone else I can think of.
Well we don't study him in school here, unless you are taking an advanced History of Jazz.
Like many new media artists today he embraced the collaborative, the way many use programmers and experts in their field (think of Kak). His ensemble work also includes tech specialists, read up.
And each collabrative effort began a new stream.
And visual art doesn't dominate new media, which is another issue.
Think soundscape, sound ecology.
Eric

Lewis LaCook wrote:

> i don't think you'd find many to dispute that here—one studies miles
> in school, along with chopin…
>
> ____oooooh_____will someone mix some miles up with some chopin?_____
>
> bliss
> l
>
>
> Michael Szpakowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> Beautifully put, Eduardo.
> The original comparison strikes me as about as useful
> as comparing a tomato and a hairbrush.
> I too am a Miles fan & a more pertinent question, it
> seems to me, is why his work is not universally hailed
> as great in the same way as the "art" music greats
> are.
> It is every bit as complex, multilayered and subtle.
> Here I don't think it is amiss to find a certain
> institutionalised racism at play ( and I write this
> fully aware that many of Miles' sidepeople were white,
> as are many cutting edge jazz performers today, for
> example Brad Mehldau, who is simply the most
> interesting piano player in *any* genre as far as I'm
> concerned)
>
> The point I'm *not* making is that all musics are
> equal -I hold to a rather unfashionable distinction
> between high and low art. My point rather is that
> Miles, Coltrane, Coleman et al by any possible
> criteria clearly belong in the "high" category.
>
> regards
> michael
>
>
>
>
>
> — [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> ———————————
> Hello Eric,
>
> I normally read through most material that goes
> through the list anddon't reply, mainly due to time
> constraints, or because othersoften say it before I
> get to the keyboard. But you have made aremark that I
> find the need to comment on, partly because it is a
> bitproblematic.
>
> You write:
> "Perhaps because he's black, from a culture we just
> don't get, wewill then escape the stupidity of our
> fathers history.
> No. That doesnot work. We have to face the reality of
> Miles Davis, and cringe in ourfailures.
> New media is nothing, and there are cultures far
> advancedof us."
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>
> You are here assuming that everyone else on the list
> is not black, itappears. Who is "we" exactly? This
> is the main reason why Iam writing. Please reflect on
> what your statement reallyimplies. There is no need
> to defend yourself, but the statementis problematic.
>
> And since I already writing, I will also say that I
> amheavily involved with music and Miles is one of my
> main Jazzinfluences. I am familiar with both discs
> that you mention and Ithink that they are truly
> incredible pieces of art. But I amnot sure why you
> place him in opposition to new media. Miles
> wasactually very interested in what was going on in
> contemporaryculture. His last album from 1991, which
> you may alreadyknow, explored the relationship of Hip
> Hop with Be-Bop. He named the Album Doo-Bop. Check
> the word:
> http://www.sweeting.org/mark/mp3/Miles_Davis/Doo-Bop.html
> It was produced with Kool-Mo-Be. It is a remarkable
> synthesisbetween loops, samples and improvizational
> jazz, including twotracks produced posthumously around
> his sampled trumpet solos, andwhich are
> indistinguishable from his other compositions,which
> where improvised in the studio. Miles embraced
> whathis culture offered him at the same time that he
> contributed to enhanceit by making material for the
> future with what was new inhis own time. He embraced
> the new, just like any othercreative cat would and
> should do. So let's not put himon a pedestal in
> opposition to theoriticians or emergingtechnologies.
>
> Best,
>
> Eduardo
>
>
>
> ——– Original Message ——–
> Subject:[SPAM] RHIZOME_RAW: miles davis and new media
> From: "Eric Dymond"
> Date: Thu, August 05, 2004 9:40pm
> To: [email protected]
>
> Miles and the Virtual
>
> Tonight,not unlike any other night I have been
> listening to MilesDavis.
> Tonight I played Miles Davis Live from Montreaux and
> KindaBlue.
> Why do these sounds escape the rules of
> virtualencoding?
> How is it that a mere human being can so deftly craft
> artthat easily escapes the rules of new media.
> He destroys Benjamin,Gutarri, Deleuze and the rest.And
> he does it so easily. Why?How?
> Does he see the world in a panoplay so different than
> therest?
> Does he escape human boundaries?
> Apparently he does. Sowhat are we left with?
> Maybe we should force ourselves to ignorehim. Banish
> him because he does not follow the new order.
> How do wefit Miles Davis into the new media history.
> Perhaps because he'sblack, from a culture we just
> don't get, we will then escape thestupidity of our
> fathers history.
> No. That does not work. We have toface the reality of
> Miles Davis, and cringe in our failures.
> Newmedia is nothing, and there are cultures far
> advanced ofus.
> Eric
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