Cloned Object or Cloned Zanni ? This is the problem

Posted by Carlo Zanni | Sun Jun 29th 2003 3:14 p.m.

Dear ArtBase Watchers,

I've just seen the " Hole in the Sky " by Tom Scarpino (Hi Tom) http://www.rhizome.org/object.rhiz?14018

I was wondering if any of you saw my piece done two days after the 9-11 fact. (more or less 2 years ago)
It's the same piece: http://www.zanni.org/pagine/menu12twc.htm

after few days the version 2 : http://www.zanni.org/pagine/menu12twc2.htm
following that first concept but exploring the idea of how -for our generation- 2 simple parallel rectangles could not be seen anymore only as 2 simple geometric figures.

I think some of you remember when I sent an email asking for 3 minutes blank page.
A digital extension of the minute of silence. After that invitation my home page was set with those 2 not loaded images.

---------

Then on July 31th 2002 my Cabinet magazine #7 commission was launched (special issue about -FAILURE-).
"ATTEMPT TO BET TWO FICHES" : http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/art/index.php

best,
cz

http://www.zanni.org
  • Christopher Fahey | Sun Jun 29th 2003 10:34 p.m.
    > I've just seen the " Hole in the Sky " by Tom Scarpino (Hi
    > Tom) http://www.rhizome.org/object.rhiz?14018
    >
    > I was wondering if any of you saw my piece done two days
    > after the 9-11 fact. (more or less 2 years ago)
    > It's the same piece: http://www.zanni.org/pagine/menu12twc.htm

    Wow! I looked at the source code, and it doesn't look like he just
    cut-n-pasted you. So either you both came up with exactly the same idea
    in different places and times, or he saw your work once and either
    consciously or unconsciously reproduced the page himself. Have you sent
    him an email?

    -Cf

    [christopher eli fahey]
    art: http://www.graphpaper.com
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  • nick barker | Mon Jun 30th 2003 2:46 p.m.
    zanni.org wrote:

    > Dear ArtBase Watchers,
    >
    >
    > I've just seen the " Hole in the Sky " by Tom Scarpino (Hi Tom)
    > http://www.rhizome.org/object.rhiz?14018
    >
    > I was wondering if any of you saw my piece done two days after the
    > 9-11 fact. (more or less 2 years ago)
    > It's the same piece: http://www.zanni.org/pagine/menu12twc.htm

    I feel that a (almost) straight copy would feel so pointless and dissatisfying that it is unlikely and that "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" doesn't need to be called in for consolation (if you need any)

    Possibly "Great minds think alike"? or maybe as the psychiatrist C G Jung says in his book Man and His Symbols
    'The brain never forgets an impression, no matter how slight. The mind has an ability to recall old impressions particularly during a creative process and what is perceived as a "new" creation can in fact be past memories subconsciously recalled. This can give rise to subconscious plagiarism or what psychiatrists call cryptomnesia
  • marc garrett | Mon Jun 30th 2003 3:22 p.m.
    Hi Zanni,

    It does look (scarily) very similar to me. Have you approached the artist?

    marc

    > Dear ArtBase Watchers,
    >
    >
    > I've just seen the " Hole in the Sky " by Tom Scarpino (Hi Tom)
    http://www.rhizome.org/object.rhiz?14018
    >
    > I was wondering if any of you saw my piece done two days after the 9-11
    fact. (more or less 2 years ago)
    > It's the same piece: http://www.zanni.org/pagine/menu12twc.htm
    >
    > after few days the version 2 : http://www.zanni.org/pagine/menu12twc2.htm
    > following that first concept but exploring the idea of how -for our
    generation- 2 simple parallel rectangles could not be seen anymore only as
    2 simple geometric figures.
    >
    > I think some of you remember when I sent an email asking for 3 minutes
    blank page.
    > A digital extension of the minute of silence. After that invitation my
    home page was set with those 2 not loaded images.
    >
    > ---------
    >
    > Then on July 31th 2002 my Cabinet magazine #7 commission was launched
    (special issue about -FAILURE-).
    > "ATTEMPT TO BET TWO FICHES" :
    http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/art/index.php
    >
    >
    > best,
    > cz
    >
    > http://www.zanni.org
    >
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  • carlo zanni | Mon Jun 30th 2003 4:29 p.m.
    Hi Marc,

    no I didn't approach him, because I think there is no reason. Perhaps we had
    the same idea.. There is just a difference in the time and as author I
    wanted to remark what I did.

    I think this fact hides two key issues present in new media art works:
    I mean memory and authorship.

    Due to the ephemerality of net works, this two factors require a lot of
    attention in an historicization - storage process. (even if partial as the
    artbase is)

    I sent that email to Rachel and Mark but they didn't answer.

    cz
  • e.g.ø | Wed Jul 2nd 2003 10:24 a.m.
    The matter is not so simple.... "memory" and "authorship" could lead to "copyright" and related problems (see the music industry). Do we really want to stab eachother with copyright issues etc etc? Surely not.. but at the same time it would be sad (for the artist and the viewer) if every two years an identical artwork comes out and everybody think that it is a brand new idea.... maybe the artbase and similar "institutions" should prevent this??? any solution???

    zanni.org wrote:

    > Hi Marc,
    >
    > no I didn't approach him, because I think there is no reason. Perhaps
    > we had
    > the same idea.. There is just a difference in the time and as author I
    > wanted to remark what I did.
    >
    > I think this fact hides two key issues present in new media art works:
    > I mean memory and authorship.
    >
    > Due to the ephemerality of net works, this two factors require a lot
    > of
    > attention in an historicization - storage process. (even if partial as
    > the
    > artbase is)
    >
    > I sent that email to Rachel and Mark but they didn't answer.
    >
    >
    > cz
    >
  • carlo zanni | Wed Jul 2nd 2003 10:37 a.m.
    Does the artbase have an historicization function?

    Does the artbase have "quality" as distinguishing mark?

    what happened with " Hole in the Sky " by Tom Scarpino (Hi Tom) http://www.rhizome.org/object.rhiz?14018 it's not a great thing for the reputation and the reliability of the artbase. Above all because it's a "curatorial oriented" process and not an automatic one.

    1- Everybody depends from others, but in this case the work it's the same.

    2- There isn't a duty in knowing my 2001 work (even if it passed through the list) but once this thing has been emphasized , why any official voice wrote me back?. ... everybody can make a mistake.. where is the problem?

    I'm really disappointed from this behavior
    i was expecting an answer from the artbase crew.

    Thank you

    cz

    http://www.zanni.org
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