From the New York Times, May 13, 2003:
"The Walker Art Center in Minneapolis, which has been a strong supporter of
Internet art, has dismissed the curator for its online art projects… the
center's director, Kathy Halbreich, said plans to build a digital-art
gallery would be deferred for at least five years… Under Mr. Dietz, who
joined the Walker in 1996, the center has vigorously supported the notion
of the Internet as a creative medium by commissioning a series of
online-only artworks and organizing several Web-based exhibitions… Ms.
Halbreich said she intended to keep the projects online but could not
commit to doing so until the cost was determined."
Full story at http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/13/arts/13ARTS.html
Mirapaul on Dietz Departure
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>From the New York Times, May 13, 2003:
>
>"The Walker Art Center in Minneapolis, which has been a strong
>supporter of Internet art, has dismissed the curator for its online
>art projects… the center's director, Kathy Halbreich, said plans
>to build a digital-art gallery would be deferred for at least five
>years… Under Mr. Dietz, who joined the Walker in 1996, the center
>has vigorously supported the notion of the Internet as a creative
>medium by commissioning a series of online-only artworks and
>organizing several Web-based exhibitions… Ms. Halbreich said she
>intended to keep the projects online but could not commit to doing
>so until the cost was determined."
>
>Full story at http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/13/arts/13ARTS.html
SAY WHAT!?
"Ms. Halbreich said she intended to keep the projects online but
could not commit to doing so until the cost was determined."
Then they should transfer all the files to someone who will keep them
online. THIS IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!
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In a daring and innovative move, the Walker Art Center will now keep their online projects online, but only as thumbnail .gif screenshots of the actual projects. To keep costs down, each image will not be larger than 80x60 pixels and none will contain more than 16 colors, regardless of the original palette. All previously commissioned works will, however, be available in full at an onsite, intranet terminal, situated permanently in the Walker's gift shop. The local terminal will thus be accessible during normal opening hours, from 9am-5pm Monday through Thursday and until 8 pm on special-event Fridays. A nominal admission, or access fee, will be charged. The Walker director explains: 'This new move shows our outstanding commitment to new media, and it brings with it the added benefit of only exposing these masterpieces, all in the Walker collection, to a safe and secure computing environment free of malfunctions and technical mishaps.
Now that is funny…
marc
> In a daring and innovative move, the Walker Art Center will now keep their
online projects online, but only as thumbnail .gif screenshots of the actual
projects. To keep costs down, each image will not be larger than 80x60
pixels and none will contain more than 16 colors, regardless of the original
palette. All previously commissioned works will, however, be available in
full at an onsite, intranet terminal, situated permanently in the Walker's
gift shop. The local terminal will thus be accessible during normal opening
hours, from 9am-5pm Monday through Thursday and until 8 pm on special-event
Fridays. A nominal admission, or access fee, will be charged. The Walker
director explains: 'This new move shows our outstanding commitment to new
media, and it brings with it the added benefit of only exposing these
masterpieces, all in the Walker collection, to a safe and secure computing
environment free of malfunctions and technical mishaps.
> In a daring and innovative move, the Walker Art Center will now keep
> their online projects online, but only as thumbnail .gif screenshots
> of the actual projects. To keep costs down, each image will not be
> larger than 80x60 pixels and none will contain more than 16 colors,
> regardless of the original palette. All previously commissioned works
> will, however, be available in full at an onsite, intranet terminal,
> situated permanently in the Walker's gift shop. The local terminal
> will thus be accessible during normal opening hours, from 9am-5pm
> Monday through Thursday and until 8 pm on special-event Fridays. A
> nominal admission, or access fee, will be charged. The Walker director
> explains: ?This new move shows our outstanding commitment to new
> media, and it brings with it the added benefit of only exposing these
> masterpieces, all in the Walker collection, to a safe and secure
> computing environment free of malfunctions and technical mishaps.?
>
> you for got to mention the five dollar a year subscriotion fee to artists to access their own work
> In a daring and innovative move, the Walker Art Center will now keep
> their online projects online, but only as thumbnail .gif screenshots
> of the actual projects. To keep costs down, each image will not be
> larger than 80x60 pixels and none will contain more than 16 colors,
> regardless of the original palette. All previously commissioned works
> will, however, be available in full at an onsite, intranet terminal,
> situated permanently in the Walker's gift shop. The local terminal
> will thus be accessible during normal opening hours, from 9am-5pm
> Monday through Thursday and until 8 pm on special-event Fridays. A
> nominal admission, or access fee, will be charged. The Walker director
> explains: ?This new move shows our outstanding commitment to new
> media, and it brings with it the added benefit of only exposing these
> masterpieces, all in the Walker collection, to a safe and secure
> computing environment free of malfunctions and technical mishaps.?
>
> you for got to mention the five dollar a year subscription fee to artists to access their own work
> All previously commissioned works will, however, be
> available in full at an onsite, intranet terminal, situated
> permanently in the Walker's gift shop. The local terminal
> will thus be accessible during normal opening hours, from
> 9am-5pm Monday through Thursday and until 8 pm on
> special-event Fridays.
I know you're joking, but it made me wonder how often internet artworks
from the collections of such institutions are made available *at all* to
people who visit in person their brick-and-mortar facilities. They are
sometimes there for special events, or to mark the "opening" of the
work, but really there is little technical reason why the entire
permanent collection of the Walker's internet/digital artworks couldn't
be featured at a dedicated console in the museum at all times.
I'm not saying that the Walker *should* do this, or that the Whitney
*should* install an Artport terminal in the giftshop. I think it's kinda
cool that the new media divisions don't need to use even one square foot
of valuable museum real estate to show their entire collection.
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Hi Mark,
It seems, looking from over here in the UK that 'Net Art' in America is
moving into the dark ages. A power hungry governmental administration that
is gradually closing many portals/doors for creative net adventurers
nationally and of course internationally. May be business indicatives (not
necessarily corporate or Rockefeller based) and separate from funding
demands can offer new answers…
marc
> To view this entire thread, click here:
> http://rhizome.org/thread.rhiz?thread
At 08:57 PM 5/13/2003 +0100, marc.garrett wrote:
>Hi Mark,
>
>It seems, looking from over here in the UK that 'Net Art' in America is
>moving into the dark ages.
I wouldn't jump to that conclusion just yet. We are certainly witnessing a
retrenchment in institutional support, but these things develop in cycles.
I predict that in ten years time every major museum (and many of the
not-so-major ones) will have a signficant commitment to new media art in
some form. Meanwhile, the boundaries between new media art and other forms
of art are getting blurrier–a welcome transition, in my opinion. The walls
of the new media ghetto are crumbling. Bring 'em down!
>A power hungry governmental administration that
>is gradually closing many portals/doors for creative net adventurers
>nationally and of course internationally.
Yup. This is a bigger problem, and not just for artists.
>May be business indicatives (not
>necessarily corporate or Rockefeller based) and separate from funding
>demands can offer new answers…
Indicatives? Do you mean initiatives?
> > To view this entire thread, click here:
> > http://rhizome.org/thread.rhiz?thread
Hi Mark,
Do you mean initiatives? No, I mean esinitivat~yes initiatives…
> I predict that in ten years time every major museum (and many of the
> not-so-major ones) will have a signficant commitment to new media art in
> some form. Meanwhile, the boundaries between new media art and other forms
> of art are getting blurrier–a welcome transition, in my opinion. The
walls
> of the new media ghetto are crumbling. Bring 'em down!
This will happen not just because of the institutions suddenly accepting net
art and all its nuances, but because the many net groups/indivuduals out
there are actively making real and solid connections with a social
responsibility towards inclusivity, rather than centralized mind-sets
behaviour patterns that isolate.
marc
> >Hi Mark,
> >
> >It seems, looking from over here in the UK that 'Net Art' in America is
> >moving into the dark ages.
>
> I wouldn't jump to that conclusion just yet. We are certainly witnessing a
> retrenchment in institutional support, but these things develop in cycles.
I hope so, things are getting strange and it all feels a bit like a pretty
>
> >A power hungry governmental administration that
> >is gradually closing many portals/doors for creative net adventurers
> >nationally and of course internationally.
>
> Yup. This is a bigger problem, and not just for artists.
>
> >May be business indicatives (not
> >necessarily corporate or Rockefeller based) and separate from funding
> >demands can offer new answers…
>
> Indicatives? Do you mean initiatives?
>
> > > To view this entire thread, click here:
> > > http://rhizome.org/thread.rhiz?thread
i am also wondering why the net art pieces should be installed in the gift
shop … strange idea
cheers, sascha
—– Original Message —–
From: "marc.garrett" <[email protected]>
To: "Mark Tribe" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:57 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: RHIZOME_RARE: Mirapaul on Dietz Departure
> Hi Mark,
>
> It seems, looking from over here in the UK that 'Net Art' in America is
> moving into the dark ages. A power hungry governmental administration that
> is gradually closing many portals/doors for creative net adventurers
> nationally and of course internationally. May be business indicatives (not
> necessarily corporate or Rockefeller based) and separate from funding
> demands can offer new answers…
>
> marc
>
>
>
> > To view this entire thread, click here:
> > http://rhizome.org/thread.rhiz?thread
yeah, down at the World Financial Center Carnivore's installed in the
food court. welcome to the unglamorous phase of net.art.
which reminds me. calling all new yorkers–Matrix today, 3:15pm at
Battery Park Stadium 16. then stick around the 'hood for my "exhibition
tour" of the Digital Salon at 7pm sharp in the World Financial Center
gallery (it's in the north end of the complex at 220 Vesey Street).
http://www.sva.edu/salon/salon_10/event.php?event
hey look, i'm "visionary"! ;-)
On Thursday, May 15, 2003, at 03:30 AM, kanonmedia.com wrote:
> i am also wondering why the net art pieces should be installed in the
> gift
> shop … strange idea
>
> cheers, sascha
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "marc.garrett" <[email protected]>
> To: "Mark Tribe" <[email protected]>
> Cc: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:57 PM
> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: RHIZOME_RARE: Mirapaul on Dietz Departure
>
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> It seems, looking from over here in the UK that 'Net Art' in America
>> is
>> moving into the dark ages. A power hungry governmental administration
>> that
>> is gradually closing many portals/doors for creative net adventurers
>> nationally and of course internationally. May be business indicatives
>> (not
>> necessarily corporate or Rockefeller based) and separate from funding
>> demands can offer new answers…
>>
>> marc
>>
>>
>>
>>> To view this entire thread, click here:
>>> http://rhizome.org/thread.rhiz?thread
Maybe we should ask Kinko's to display netart on their computers when they're
not in use. Netart: The Mcdonalds of the art world.
When they finally finish developing that "digital paper" Xerox-parc has been
working on, we can even have a netart take-out.
"I'll have a Mark Napier with a side of Website unseen to go please…"
Pall
> yeah, down at the World Financial Center Carnivore's installed in the
> food court. welcome to the unglamorous phase of net.art.
>
> which reminds me. calling all new yorkers–Matrix today, 3:15pm at
> Battery Park Stadium 16. then stick around the 'hood for my "exhibition
> tour" of the Digital Salon at 7pm sharp in the World Financial Center
> gallery (it's in the north end of the complex at 220 Vesey Street).
>
> http://www.sva.edu/salon/salon_10/event.php?event
>
> hey look, i'm "visionary"! ;-)
>
>
> On Thursday, May 15, 2003, at 03:30 AM, kanonmedia.com wrote:
>
> > i am also wondering why the net art pieces should be installed in the
> > gift
> > shop … strange idea
> >
> > cheers, sascha
> >
> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: "marc.garrett" <[email protected]>
> > To: "Mark Tribe" <[email protected]>
> > Cc: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:57 PM
> > Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: RHIZOME_RARE: Mirapaul on Dietz
Departure
> >
> >
> >> Hi Mark,
> >>
> >> It seems, looking from over here in the UK that 'Net Art' in America
> >> is
> >> moving into the dark ages. A power hungry governmental administration
> >> that
> >> is gradually closing many portals/doors for creative net adventurers
> >> nationally and of course internationally. May be business indicatives
> >> (not
> >> necessarily corporate or Rockefeller based) and separate from funding
> >> demands can offer new answers…
> >>
> >> marc
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> To view this entire thread, click here:
> >>> http://rhizome.org/thread.rhiz?thread
On Thursday, May 15, 2003, at 13:42 America/New_York, Pall Thayer wrote:
> "I'll have a Mark Napier with a side of Website unseen to go please…"
>
I'll have a side of potatoland with that carnivore to go please.