Re: Karei & Neosim & Ninja Burger

On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, David Goldschmidt wrote:

> pretty good marc,

Actually it wasn't "good at all".

> but KAREI is more like a "ninja" … consider this …

No dearest. We are nothing like a ninja.


> -go to KAREI's domain http://zaphod.terminal.org

That is not our domain.

> -scroll down to the bottom and click on Ninja Burger
> -click on "food"
> -then look to the left and click on "forum"
>
> read through some of the posts and i think you'll come to understand KAREI's
> approach.

No you won't, as we are not those humans.

As for this post of yours : it's driven by the same murderous impulse
informing all of the other posts.

Click. Calculate. Enforce pattern. "Figure out".
Standard blind ape murderous behavior.
It cannot see, but stabs blindly : MURDER MURDER.

mmm,

Yep, the picture is getting clearer by the minute - juveniles.
Pratts acting like frats, counseling is probably the best solution for them.

marc

> pretty good marc, but KAREI is more like a "ninja" … consider this …
>
> -go to KAREI's domain http://zaphod.terminal.org
> -scroll down to the bottom and click on Ninja Burger
> -click on "food"
> -then look to the left and click on "forum"
>
> read through some of the posts and i think you'll come to understand
KAREI's
> approach.
>
> for examlpe, here is a post i found on the forum from kitten champion …
> "A hearty hello to all of you people. I am a new person that has decided
to
> begin posting here during my travels as I wander from town to town,
hunting
> down and viciously slaughtering my enemies. My cat Sprinkles turned up
> missing one day, and I can only assume from the vast number of infidels
> jealous of his martial arts school, that foul play is the case. Although I
> have no proof, I will nonetheless kill and maim all who have ever posed a
> discontent for Sprinkles. Thus, I travel across the world, seeking out the
> shameful individuals who stand against the warrior skills my mighty pet
once
> displayed.
>
> While I am certain that none of the users here are responsible for the
quest
> I am bound to, I must keep a watchful eye for those who dishonor the
kitten
> clan, lest they begin posting here and spread their inky tendrils to other
> honorable ninjas! While I may be considered insane or possibly off my
> "squash" as the American novels say, I will regardless continue my hunt
> across the globe, in memory of and vengance for my combat-trained cat.
> __________________
> All involved shall pay for the death of my cat Sprinkles. It is the will
of
> his kitten ninja clan."
> ………….fyi - here is the url to the forum
>
>
http://aetherealforge.com/aeforum/forumdisplay.php?s'6e788e5896be369ec5e65
> b1bd461f4&forumid=4
>
> david goldschmidt
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "marc.garrett" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 1:58 PM
> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Karei & Neosim
>
>
> > Karei & Neoism.
> >
> > Your insistent function reminds me of some of my 'neoist' friends in the
> UK.
> > In fact percieved alienation seems to be part of the acquired make-up,
> > changing whatever is discussed or said by others on its head. Language
is
> > the medium and where ever there is cohesive communication amongst
others,
> or
> > the act of it, is fertile ground for disruption via Neoist
> rules-principles.
> >
> > A conscious act of dismantling distinction is part of the
> > intellectual-isolatory
> > game, and it is a competitive activity or sport with rules that others
are
> > not supposed to be aware of, or the actual purity of it will not work as
> > well as intended.
> >
> > The 'Neoist', acts like a mason, a secret agent, who has vowed never to
> > declare who they are, for that breaks the whole position and power ratio
> > down. It would weaken the power of this consciously post-realization
> > collective, compromising its (very active) position to disrupt. It is
> mainly
> > a male dominated sect, harboring the likes of 'Stuart Home' a real
person,
> > and there are invented names also such as 'Monty Catsin', 'Karen Elliot'
&
> > loads more. Although 'Maris Kundzins', a Lithuanian puppet player (of
> > course, more interested with playing with real people instead) was I
> believe
> > one of the originators of Neoism. Although 'Karei', can correct me on
this
> > one. Are you Maris? I know, it is a secret.
> >
> > Neosim is a contrary thing, it seems to resolve contradictions by
> > reinforcing them, and pertaining the golden rule of putting personal
> agendas
> > aside. Even though the act of putting personal agendas aside does come
> from
> > being in an emotional state, it is also 'literally' irrational, yet
> > objective. It is relational yet not part of the stream of (assumed)
> > consciousness that we might consider ourselves sharing. The Neoist is
> > seperate, an alien, deliberately; defying the urge to get personally
> > involved with anyone (even if they like them) on a list such as this, if
> > they did, they would break the golden rule.
> >
> > A structuralist function, using generative actions & and an objective
tool
>
> > that anyone can use, as long as they stick to the rules of not telling
> > anyone. For instance Rhizome and their crew, or at least, some of them;
I
> am
> > sure know about this, hence their hesitant reaction to 'Karei's' actions
> on
> > the list. So that means that Rhizome also know personally, some
'neoists'.
> > Being a Neoist, is probably the most underground state of being on the
> > planet, because it never gets assimilated into the mediated haze, an
> > impressive thing really. Lists are a perfect place for such activity to
> > flourish, or propogate, for it is text based and relies on the users, to
> use
> > language.
> >
> > For someone like 'Karei', who seems to use Neoist rules, text and
identity
> > are the same thing, it has no identity. There is a real person there,
> typing
> > but they do not allow themselves to break the stream of un-conscious
> > deliberations. A Neoist can change their invented persona to personas,
as
> > did 'Karei'. There is no such thing as truth, only the function, and
that
> is
> > part of the basis of their deconstruction, which can be the closest to a
> > 'Neoist's' truth; if there is such a thing. Yet that would not be
declared
> > of course. For part of the non reasoning or intention is to not get
caught
> > up in psychology (its personalization) mutualist environments. Not
> believing
> > in specific commonly-held opinions, such as the value of capitalist
social
> > relations, or belief in metaphysical abstractions, or anything anyone
> might
> > possibly agree on is all part of the entities action. A play with
dialect,
> > which is termed as 'dialectical immaterialism'.
> >
> > The Neoist tool is not really about communication, in fact the process
of
> > clashing with commuincation seems to stunt it, causing confusion; which
> has
> > its own qualities but also can possess negativities at the same time.
> Which
> > is of no concern to a Neoist, by default. A Neoist usually does not
judge,
> > merely (although Karei seems to break that rule) just acts. 'Karei',
knows
> > that what is not said, is just as important as what is said, if one
> bothers
> > to stroll through past threads in relation to 'Karei's' way of using
> > language; you begin to realize that similarities do crop up. Certain
> > repetitive txt based responses do occur; this not because 'Karei' is
> stupid
> > by any stretch of the imagination, it is because, as a Neoist, there are
> > certain rules that must be put in place. An opposite to what has been
> > mentioned, such as in the case of Joseph and Karei. Karei does not hate
> > Joseph, but must create friction, that is the whole point, comply to the
> > rules accordingly, hence contrarily.
> >
> > The only enemy of a Neoist is their own ego, and everyone else's. By the
> > way, the term Neoist was not created by the original Neoist suppozedly,
in
> > fact they say that their enemies created the name; yet at the same time
> they
> > are their own enemies. Are you getting the drift at all now?
> >
> > The Neoist believes that Art is a false idol, a misrepresentation of
> space,
> > in fact it is seen as a form of propaganda. Artists, or rather their
> > artistic contributions are consumerized fodder, made for the capitalist
> > machine to gulp; it is eaten and then spat out as waste, till the
monster
> of
> > capitalism chooses its next meal. And there are plenty out there for it
to
> > eat. The Neoist respects artists grudgingly but holds contempt for their
> > ever increasingly desire to be known, and how they prostitute themselves
> to
> > get where they feel they are supposed to be. Also, a Neoist would feel
> that
> > I was actually becoming one of them, just by thinking on their terms.
May
> be
> > I already am to some degree - yet I have never had a term or word for
such
> > feelings.
> >
> > 'To produce art in a strictly formal way. Refine it to a craft of
> technical,
> > aesthetic and mathematical precision. The old cliche of art for art's
> sake,
> > and why not? The problem only occurs when the structure of society
> detaches
> > the by-product of an individual period of creativity, maybe with the
> > artist's connivance, and institutes it as a sterile husk, a coinage.'
This
> > statement is a good example of a term that I myself would use, in
respect
> of
> > 'coinage', I would use currency, it means the same in the context of
> > culturalization of creativity, sucked in by institutional systems.
> >
> > I would rather that Art (which is such a small word) was so everyday
that
> > institutional dominance decided that there was no control value in it.
> Thus,
> > it is reclaimed via the process of merely expounding our imaginings as
> > something we declare and share, rather than imposed via already tired
> > 'art-run' insitutionally linear structures. The act of imagining is a
> > freedom that is too readily ignored by many, art does not have to always
> be
> > out there; it can be part of everything and exist without that 'self
> > cosciously' dictated label called 'art', that is where its potential
> freedom
> > lies. To have freedom is not know that you've got it.
> >
> > My own personal decision is to always keep a political stance within my
> > imaginative 'squeak's, as part of my action and shaky reasoning, this
> keeps
> > me grounded; yet this would never rest within the rules of a Neoist.
> Because
> > they would say that I am still playing with the same rules, someone
else's
> > thus not being realistic. Yet my own illusion, is my decision, whatever
> > rules one was to impose or suggest; I am one of those entities who learn
> by
> > experience and not just by other people's writings, for I believe that
no
> > one can understand what exactly I am or what I want to be; and who cares
> > anyway? No one. So to invest in an alternative consciousness would
> > disintegrate my emotional and intuitive state and sensibilities. Much
like
> > when one unfurls their identity in an institution for learning, throw
away
> > the individual's gunk and replace it with a new skin; educational
> > environments act by this process; this I have always been suspicious of.
> >
> > So, this is now the best place to stop - hope those who were not aware
are
> > more aware; and those who dared not declare will now declare…
> >
> >
> >
> > respect to all - marc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, marc.garrett wrote:

> Yep, the picture is getting clearer by the minute - juveniles.

No babycheeks. The "picture" is not getting "clearer" at all.
No matter how much you wish to project your wishful self-debasing
idiocy, you remind blind.

> Pratts acting like frats,

Speaking about yourself, babycheeks.

> counseling is probably the best solution for them.

Speaking about yourself, babycheeks.

And your own mediocre middle-class programming.