Karei & Neosim

Too bad the below is absolute drivel unrelated to what we do, marc garret.

Oh yes. And none of us have ego.

Avoid attempting to write lengthy meaningless drivel in an attempt to
slap a NUMBER of your OWN PROJECTIONS (which have nothing to do with
neoism) under the guise of "intelligents".

In fact, all you are doing is attempting to peddle your ego,
and even using neoism as a "mask/whore".

You cannot perceive what we do until you deal with your ego.

The below is meaningless passive-aggressive drivel.

> Karei & Neoism.
>
> Your insistent function reminds me of some of my 'neoist' friends in the UK.
> In fact percieved alienation seems to be part of the acquired make-up,
> changing whatever is discussed or said by others on its head. Language is
> the medium and where ever there is cohesive communication amongst others, or
> the act of it, is fertile ground for disruption via Neoist rules-principles.
>
> A conscious act of dismantling distinction is part of the
> intellectual-isolatory
> game, and it is a competitive activity or sport with rules that others are
> not supposed to be aware of, or the actual purity of it will not work as
> well as intended.
>
> The 'Neoist', acts like a mason, a secret agent, who has vowed never to
> declare who they are, for that breaks the whole position and power ratio
> down. It would weaken the power of this consciously post-realization
> collective, compromising its (very active) position to disrupt. It is mainly
> a male dominated sect, harboring the likes of 'Stuart Home' a real person,
> and there are invented names also such as 'Monty Catsin', 'Karen Elliot' &
> loads more. Although 'Maris Kundzins', a Lithuanian puppet player (of
> course, more interested with playing with real people instead) was I believe
> one of the originators of Neoism. Although 'Karei', can correct me on this
> one. Are you Maris? I know, it is a secret.
>
> Neosim is a contrary thing, it seems to resolve contradictions by
> reinforcing them, and pertaining the golden rule of putting personal agendas
> aside. Even though the act of putting personal agendas aside does come from
> being in an emotional state, it is also 'literally' irrational, yet
> objective. It is relational yet not part of the stream of (assumed)
> consciousness that we might consider ourselves sharing. The Neoist is
> seperate, an alien, deliberately; defying the urge to get personally
> involved with anyone (even if they like them) on a list such as this, if
> they did, they would break the golden rule.
>
> A structuralist function, using generative actions & and an objective tool
> that anyone can use, as long as they stick to the rules of not telling
> anyone. For instance Rhizome and their crew, or at least, some of them; I am
> sure know about this, hence their hesitant reaction to 'Karei's' actions on
> the list. So that means that Rhizome also know personally, some 'neoists'.
> Being a Neoist, is probably the most underground state of being on the
> planet, because it never gets assimilated into the mediated haze, an
> impressive thing really. Lists are a perfect place for such activity to
> flourish, or propogate, for it is text based and relies on the users, to use
> language.
>
> For someone like 'Karei', who seems to use Neoist rules, text and identity
> are the same thing, it has no identity. There is a real person there, typing
> but they do not allow themselves to break the stream of un-conscious
> deliberations. A Neoist can change their invented persona to personas, as
> did 'Karei'. There is no such thing as truth, only the function, and that is
> part of the basis of their deconstruction, which can be the closest to a
> 'Neoist's' truth; if there is such a thing. Yet that would not be declared
> of course. For part of the non reasoning or intention is to not get caught
> up in psychology (its personalization) mutualist environments. Not believing
> in specific commonly-held opinions, such as the value of capitalist social
> relations, or belief in metaphysical abstractions, or anything anyone might
> possibly agree on is all part of the entities action. A play with dialect,
> which is termed as 'dialectical immaterialism'.
>
> The Neoist tool is not really about communication, in fact the process of
> clashing with commuincation seems to stunt it, causing confusion; which has
> its own qualities but also can possess negativities at the same time. Which
> is of no concern to a Neoist, by default. A Neoist usually does not judge,
> merely (although Karei seems to break that rule) just acts. 'Karei', knows
> that what is not said, is just as important as what is said, if one bothers
> to stroll through past threads in relation to 'Karei's' way of using
> language; you begin to realize that similarities do crop up. Certain
> repetitive txt based responses do occur; this not because 'Karei' is stupid
> by any stretch of the imagination, it is because, as a Neoist, there are
> certain rules that must be put in place. An opposite to what has been
> mentioned, such as in the case of Joseph and Karei. Karei does not hate
> Joseph, but must create friction, that is the whole point, comply to the
> rules accordingly, hence contrarily.
>
> The only enemy of a Neoist is their own ego, and everyone else's. By the
> way, the term Neoist was not created by the original Neoist suppozedly, in
> fact they say that their enemies created the name; yet at the same time they
> are their own enemies. Are you getting the drift at all now?
>
> The Neoist believes that Art is a false idol, a misrepresentation of space,
> in fact it is seen as a form of propaganda. Artists, or rather their
> artistic contributions are consumerized fodder, made for the capitalist
> machine to gulp; it is eaten and then spat out as waste, till the monster of
> capitalism chooses its next meal. And there are plenty out there for it to
> eat. The Neoist respects artists grudgingly but holds contempt for their
> ever increasingly desire to be known, and how they prostitute themselves to
> get where they feel they are supposed to be. Also, a Neoist would feel that
> I was actually becoming one of them, just by thinking on their terms. May be
> I already am to some degree - yet I have never had a term or word for such
> feelings.
>
> 'To produce art in a strictly formal way. Refine it to a craft of technical,
> aesthetic and mathematical precision. The old cliche of art for art's sake,
> and why not? The problem only occurs when the structure of society detaches
> the by-product of an individual period of creativity, maybe with the
> artist's connivance, and institutes it as a sterile husk, a coinage.' This
> statement is a good example of a term that I myself would use, in respect of
> 'coinage', I would use currency, it means the same in the context of
> culturalization of creativity, sucked in by institutional systems.
>
> I would rather that Art (which is such a small word) was so everyday that
> institutional dominance decided that there was no control value in it. Thus,
> it is reclaimed via the process of merely expounding our imaginings as
> something we declare and share, rather than imposed via already tired
> 'art-run' insitutionally linear structures. The act of imagining is a
> freedom that is too readily ignored by many, art does not have to always be
> out there; it can be part of everything and exist without that 'self
> cosciously' dictated label called 'art', that is where its potential freedom
> lies. To have freedom is not know that you've got it.
>
> My own personal decision is to always keep a political stance within my
> imaginative 'squeak's, as part of my action and shaky reasoning, this keeps
> me grounded; yet this would never rest within the rules of a Neoist. Because
> they would say that I am still playing with the same rules, someone else's
> thus not being realistic. Yet my own illusion, is my decision, whatever
> rules one was to impose or suggest; I am one of those entities who learn by
> experience and not just by other people's writings, for I believe that no
> one can understand what exactly I am or what I want to be; and who cares
> anyway? No one. So to invest in an alternative consciousness would
> disintegrate my emotional and intuitive state and sensibilities. Much like
> when one unfurls their identity in an institution for learning, throw away
> the individual's gunk and replace it with a new skin; educational
> environments act by this process; this I have always been suspicious of.
>
> So, this is now the best place to stop - hope those who were not aware are
> more aware; and those who dared not declare will now declare…
>
>
>
> respect to all - marc
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Yep,

Wrong to aquaint such a classy thing as Neoism to your ever so special
'non-ego' cEntred types. You've ego alright, it's in yer txt all the time…

marc




> Too bad the below is absolute drivel unrelated to what we do, marc garret.
>
> Oh yes. And none of us have ego.
>
> Avoid attempting to write lengthy meaningless drivel in an attempt to
> slap a NUMBER of your OWN PROJECTIONS (which have nothing to do with
> neoism) under the guise of "intelligents".
>
> In fact, all you are doing is attempting to peddle your ego,
> and even using neoism as a "mask/whore".
>
> You cannot perceive what we do until you deal with your ego.
>
> The below is meaningless passive-aggressive drivel.
>
> > Karei & Neoism.
> >
> > Your insistent function reminds me of some of my 'neoist' friends in the
UK.
> > In fact percieved alienation seems to be part of the acquired make-up,
> > changing whatever is discussed or said by others on its head. Language
is
> > the medium and where ever there is cohesive communication amongst
others, or
> > the act of it, is fertile ground for disruption via Neoist
rules-principles.
> >
> > A conscious act of dismantling distinction is part of the
> > intellectual-isolatory
> > game, and it is a competitive activity or sport with rules that others
are
> > not supposed to be aware of, or the actual purity of it will not work as
> > well as intended.
> >
> > The 'Neoist', acts like a mason, a secret agent, who has vowed never to
> > declare who they are, for that breaks the whole position and power ratio
> > down. It would weaken the power of this consciously post-realization
> > collective, compromising its (very active) position to disrupt. It is
mainly
> > a male dominated sect, harboring the likes of 'Stuart Home' a real
person,
> > and there are invented names also such as 'Monty Catsin', 'Karen Elliot'
&
> > loads more. Although 'Maris Kundzins', a Lithuanian puppet player (of
> > course, more interested with playing with real people instead) was I
believe
> > one of the originators of Neoism. Although 'Karei', can correct me on
this
> > one. Are you Maris? I know, it is a secret.
> >
> > Neosim is a contrary thing, it seems to resolve contradictions by
> > reinforcing them, and pertaining the golden rule of putting personal
agendas
> > aside. Even though the act of putting personal agendas aside does come
from
> > being in an emotional state, it is also 'literally' irrational, yet
> > objective. It is relational yet not part of the stream of (assumed)
> > consciousness that we might consider ourselves sharing. The Neoist is
> > seperate, an alien, deliberately; defying the urge to get personally
> > involved with anyone (even if they like them) on a list such as this, if
> > they did, they would break the golden rule.
> >
> > A structuralist function, using generative actions & and an objective
tool
> > that anyone can use, as long as they stick to the rules of not telling
> > anyone. For instance Rhizome and their crew, or at least, some of them;
I am
> > sure know about this, hence their hesitant reaction to 'Karei's' actions
on
> > the list. So that means that Rhizome also know personally, some
'neoists'.
> > Being a Neoist, is probably the most underground state of being on the
> > planet, because it never gets assimilated into the mediated haze, an
> > impressive thing really. Lists are a perfect place for such activity to
> > flourish, or propogate, for it is text based and relies on the users, to
use
> > language.
> >
> > For someone like 'Karei', who seems to use Neoist rules, text and
identity
> > are the same thing, it has no identity. There is a real person there,
typing
> > but they do not allow themselves to break the stream of un-conscious
> > deliberations. A Neoist can change their invented persona to personas,
as
> > did 'Karei'. There is no such thing as truth, only the function, and
that is
> > part of the basis of their deconstruction, which can be the closest to a
> > 'Neoist's' truth; if there is such a thing. Yet that would not be
declared
> > of course. For part of the non reasoning or intention is to not get
caught
> > up in psychology (its personalization) mutualist environments. Not
believing
> > in specific commonly-held opinions, such as the value of capitalist
social
> > relations, or belief in metaphysical abstractions, or anything anyone
might
> > possibly agree on is all part of the entities action. A play with
dialect,
> > which is termed as 'dialectical immaterialism'.
> >
> > The Neoist tool is not really about communication, in fact the process
of
> > clashing with commuincation seems to stunt it, causing confusion; which
has
> > its own qualities but also can possess negativities at the same time.
Which
> > is of no concern to a Neoist, by default. A Neoist usually does not
judge,
> > merely (although Karei seems to break that rule) just acts. 'Karei',
knows
> > that what is not said, is just as important as what is said, if one
bothers
> > to stroll through past threads in relation to 'Karei's' way of using
> > language; you begin to realize that similarities do crop up. Certain
> > repetitive txt based responses do occur; this not because 'Karei' is
stupid
> > by any stretch of the imagination, it is because, as a Neoist, there are
> > certain rules that must be put in place. An opposite to what has been
> > mentioned, such as in the case of Joseph and Karei. Karei does not hate
> > Joseph, but must create friction, that is the whole point, comply to the
> > rules accordingly, hence contrarily.
> >
> > The only enemy of a Neoist is their own ego, and everyone else's. By the
> > way, the term Neoist was not created by the original Neoist suppozedly,
in
> > fact they say that their enemies created the name; yet at the same time
they
> > are their own enemies. Are you getting the drift at all now?
> >
> > The Neoist believes that Art is a false idol, a misrepresentation of
space,
> > in fact it is seen as a form of propaganda. Artists, or rather their
> > artistic contributions are consumerized fodder, made for the capitalist
> > machine to gulp; it is eaten and then spat out as waste, till the
monster of
> > capitalism chooses its next meal. And there are plenty out there for it
to
> > eat. The Neoist respects artists grudgingly but holds contempt for their
> > ever increasingly desire to be known, and how they prostitute themselves
to
> > get where they feel they are supposed to be. Also, a Neoist would feel
that
> > I was actually becoming one of them, just by thinking on their terms.
May be
> > I already am to some degree - yet I have never had a term or word for
such
> > feelings.
> >
> > 'To produce art in a strictly formal way. Refine it to a craft of
technical,
> > aesthetic and mathematical precision. The old cliche of art for art's
sake,
> > and why not? The problem only occurs when the structure of society
detaches
> > the by-product of an individual period of creativity, maybe with the
> > artist's connivance, and institutes it as a sterile husk, a coinage.'
This
> > statement is a good example of a term that I myself would use, in
respect of
> > 'coinage', I would use currency, it means the same in the context of
> > culturalization of creativity, sucked in by institutional systems.
> >
> > I would rather that Art (which is such a small word) was so everyday
that
> > institutional dominance decided that there was no control value in it.
Thus,
> > it is reclaimed via the process of merely expounding our imaginings as
> > something we declare and share, rather than imposed via already tired
> > 'art-run' insitutionally linear structures. The act of imagining is a
> > freedom that is too readily ignored by many, art does not have to always
be
> > out there; it can be part of everything and exist without that 'self
> > cosciously' dictated label called 'art', that is where its potential
freedom
> > lies. To have freedom is not know that you've got it.
> >
> > My own personal decision is to always keep a political stance within my
> > imaginative 'squeak's, as part of my action and shaky reasoning, this
keeps
> > me grounded; yet this would never rest within the rules of a Neoist.
Because
> > they would say that I am still playing with the same rules, someone
else's
> > thus not being realistic. Yet my own illusion, is my decision, whatever
> > rules one was to impose or suggest; I am one of those entities who learn
by
> > experience and not just by other people's writings, for I believe that
no
> > one can understand what exactly I am or what I want to be; and who cares
> > anyway? No one. So to invest in an alternative consciousness would
> > disintegrate my emotional and intuitive state and sensibilities. Much
like
> > when one unfurls their identity in an institution for learning, throw
away
> > the individual's gunk and replace it with a new skin; educational
> > environments act by this process; this I have always been suspicious of.
> >
> > So, this is now the best place to stop - hope those who were not aware
are
> > more aware; and those who dared not declare will now declare…
> >
> >
> >
> > respect to all - marc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
> > -> post: [email protected]
> > -> questions: [email protected]
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On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, marc.garrett wrote:

> Wrong to aquaint such a classy thing as Neoism to your ever so special
> 'non-ego' cEntred types. You've ego alright, it's in yer txt all the time…

The Neoist from your description, when accused/identified, would not
suddenly cop to it: "Why, yes, mister, you got me there!" No doubt it
would continue with the pattern previously set, according to its rules.

Karei wrote:

> > Avoid attempting to write lengthy meaningless drivel in an attempt to
> > slap a NUMBER of your OWN PROJECTIONS (which have nothing to do with
> > neoism) under the guise of "intelligents".

> > In fact, all you are doing is attempting to peddle your ego,
> > and even using neoism as a "mask/whore".
> >
> > You cannot perceive what we do until you deal with your ego.
> >
> > The below is meaningless passive-aggressive drivel.

Pattern and contradiction, much as Marc Garrett identified.

–Mark

Yeah alright…

But I still think you are both Neo Kittens, a little fluffy even. Cute,
that's another matter - depends who owns you really, and how well you have
been trained.

thanx for your Neoist=stylee reospnse.

marc


> Too bad the below is absolute drivel unrelated to what we do, marc garret.
>
> Oh yes. And none of us have ego.
>
> Avoid attempting to write lengthy meaningless drivel in an attempt to
> slap a NUMBER of your OWN PROJECTIONS (which have nothing to do with
> neoism) under the guise of "intelligents".
>
> In fact, all you are doing is attempting to peddle your ego,
> and even using neoism as a "mask/whore".
>
> You cannot perceive what we do until you deal with your ego.
>
> The below is meaningless passive-aggressive drivel.
>
> > Karei & Neoism.
> >
> > Your insistent function reminds me of some of my 'neoist' friends in the
UK.
> > In fact percieved alienation seems to be part of the acquired make-up,
> > changing whatever is discussed or said by others on its head. Language
is
> > the medium and where ever there is cohesive communication amongst
others, or
> > the act of it, is fertile ground for disruption via Neoist
rules-principles.
> >
> > A conscious act of dismantling distinction is part of the
> > intellectual-isolatory
> > game, and it is a competitive activity or sport with rules that others
are
> > not supposed to be aware of, or the actual purity of it will not work as
> > well as intended.
> >
> > The 'Neoist', acts like a mason, a secret agent, who has vowed never to
> > declare who they are, for that breaks the whole position and power ratio
> > down. It would weaken the power of this consciously post-realization
> > collective, compromising its (very active) position to disrupt. It is
mainly
> > a male dominated sect, harboring the likes of 'Stuart Home' a real
person,
> > and there are invented names also such as 'Monty Catsin', 'Karen Elliot'
&
> > loads more. Although 'Maris Kundzins', a Lithuanian puppet player (of
> > course, more interested with playing with real people instead) was I
believe
> > one of the originators of Neoism. Although 'Karei', can correct me on
this
> > one. Are you Maris? I know, it is a secret.
> >
> > Neosim is a contrary thing, it seems to resolve contradictions by
> > reinforcing them, and pertaining the golden rule of putting personal
agendas
> > aside. Even though the act of putting personal agendas aside does come
from
> > being in an emotional state, it is also 'literally' irrational, yet
> > objective. It is relational yet not part of the stream of (assumed)
> > consciousness that we might consider ourselves sharing. The Neoist is
> > seperate, an alien, deliberately; defying the urge to get personally
> > involved with anyone (even if they like them) on a list such as this, if
> > they did, they would break the golden rule.
> >
> > A structuralist function, using generative actions & and an objective
tool
> > that anyone can use, as long as they stick to the rules of not telling
> > anyone. For instance Rhizome and their crew, or at least, some of them;
I am
> > sure know about this, hence their hesitant reaction to 'Karei's' actions
on
> > the list. So that means that Rhizome also know personally, some
'neoists'.
> > Being a Neoist, is probably the most underground state of being on the
> > planet, because it never gets assimilated into the mediated haze, an
> > impressive thing really. Lists are a perfect place for such activity to
> > flourish, or propogate, for it is text based and relies on the users, to
use
> > language.
> >
> > For someone like 'Karei', who seems to use Neoist rules, text and
identity
> > are the same thing, it has no identity. There is a real person there,
typing
> > but they do not allow themselves to break the stream of un-conscious
> > deliberations. A Neoist can change their invented persona to personas,
as
> > did 'Karei'. There is no such thing as truth, only the function, and
that is
> > part of the basis of their deconstruction, which can be the closest to a
> > 'Neoist's' truth; if there is such a thing. Yet that would not be
declared
> > of course. For part of the non reasoning or intention is to not get
caught
> > up in psychology (its personalization) mutualist environments. Not
believing
> > in specific commonly-held opinions, such as the value of capitalist
social
> > relations, or belief in metaphysical abstractions, or anything anyone
might
> > possibly agree on is all part of the entities action. A play with
dialect,
> > which is termed as 'dialectical immaterialism'.
> >
> > The Neoist tool is not really about communication, in fact the process
of
> > clashing with commuincation seems to stunt it, causing confusion; which
has
> > its own qualities but also can possess negativities at the same time.
Which
> > is of no concern to a Neoist, by default. A Neoist usually does not
judge,
> > merely (although Karei seems to break that rule) just acts. 'Karei',
knows
> > that what is not said, is just as important as what is said, if one
bothers
> > to stroll through past threads in relation to 'Karei's' way of using
> > language; you begin to realize that similarities do crop up. Certain
> > repetitive txt based responses do occur; this not because 'Karei' is
stupid
> > by any stretch of the imagination, it is because, as a Neoist, there are
> > certain rules that must be put in place. An opposite to what has been
> > mentioned, such as in the case of Joseph and Karei. Karei does not hate
> > Joseph, but must create friction, that is the whole point, comply to the
> > rules accordingly, hence contrarily.
> >
> > The only enemy of a Neoist is their own ego, and everyone else's. By the
> > way, the term Neoist was not created by the original Neoist suppozedly,
in
> > fact they say that their enemies created the name; yet at the same time
they
> > are their own enemies. Are you getting the drift at all now?
> >
> > The Neoist believes that Art is a false idol, a misrepresentation of
space,
> > in fact it is seen as a form of propaganda. Artists, or rather their
> > artistic contributions are consumerized fodder, made for the capitalist
> > machine to gulp; it is eaten and then spat out as waste, till the
monster of
> > capitalism chooses its next meal. And there are plenty out there for it
to
> > eat. The Neoist respects artists grudgingly but holds contempt for their
> > ever increasingly desire to be known, and how they prostitute themselves
to
> > get where they feel they are supposed to be. Also, a Neoist would feel
that
> > I was actually becoming one of them, just by thinking on their terms.
May be
> > I already am to some degree - yet I have never had a term or word for
such
> > feelings.
> >
> > 'To produce art in a strictly formal way. Refine it to a craft of
technical,
> > aesthetic and mathematical precision. The old cliche of art for art's
sake,
> > and why not? The problem only occurs when the structure of society
detaches
> > the by-product of an individual period of creativity, maybe with the
> > artist's connivance, and institutes it as a sterile husk, a coinage.'
This
> > statement is a good example of a term that I myself would use, in
respect of
> > 'coinage', I would use currency, it means the same in the context of
> > culturalization of creativity, sucked in by institutional systems.
> >
> > I would rather that Art (which is such a small word) was so everyday
that
> > institutional dominance decided that there was no control value in it.
Thus,
> > it is reclaimed via the process of merely expounding our imaginings as
> > something we declare and share, rather than imposed via already tired
> > 'art-run' insitutionally linear structures. The act of imagining is a
> > freedom that is too readily ignored by many, art does not have to always
be
> > out there; it can be part of everything and exist without that 'self
> > cosciously' dictated label called 'art', that is where its potential
freedom
> > lies. To have freedom is not know that you've got it.
> >
> > My own personal decision is to always keep a political stance within my
> > imaginative 'squeak's, as part of my action and shaky reasoning, this
keeps
> > me grounded; yet this would never rest within the rules of a Neoist.
Because
> > they would say that I am still playing with the same rules, someone
else's
> > thus not being realistic. Yet my own illusion, is my decision, whatever
> > rules one was to impose or suggest; I am one of those entities who learn
by
> > experience and not just by other people's writings, for I believe that
no
> > one can understand what exactly I am or what I want to be; and who cares
> > anyway? No one. So to invest in an alternative consciousness would
> > disintegrate my emotional and intuitive state and sensibilities. Much
like
> > when one unfurls their identity in an institution for learning, throw
away
> > the individual's gunk and replace it with a new skin; educational
> > environments act by this process; this I have always been suspicious of.
> >
> > So, this is now the best place to stop - hope those who were not aware
are
> > more aware; and those who dared not declare will now declare…
> >
> >
> >
> > respect to all - marc
> >
> >
> >
> >
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On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, marc.garrett wrote:

> But I still think you are both Neo Kittens, a little fluffy even.

We are not "both". You cannot think.
As for the rest: you are an idiotic dictatorial ape.

> Cute, that's another matter -

We are not cute, dearest.

> depends who owns you really,

Nobody owns any of us dearest.
Keep your self-debasing fantasies about yourself to yourself.

> and how well you have
> been trained.

The only one trained here is you babycheeks.

> thanx for your Neoist=stylee reospnse.

No babycheeks. Our "response" was a reflection of what you were
attempting to do. Let's recap it now in case you forget:

The very murderous + idiotic dictatorial ape marc,
attempted to use a very lengthy "article" on neoism
(which additionally you do not understand) re-interpreted
to fit your egotistical agenda, and thusly projected
as "us".

No babycheeks. You are STILL talking about yourself.
And that is ALL you can talk about.

Avoid attempting to peddle your ego as "us" narcissussa.

And keep your passive-aggressive "clawing" to yourself.

On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, marc.garrett wrote:

> Wrong to aquaint such a classy thing as Neoism to your ever so special
> 'non-ego' cEntred types.

Meaningless condescending drivel.

> You've ego alright, it's in yer txt all the time…

No babycheeks. We do not.
Nor are you capable of judging that.
It doesn't matter how much you froth at the mouth + repeat we have egos.
We won't grow any.

The only "ego" in our texts are your own wishful
narcissistic murderous projections, babycheeks.

And until you deal with your ego, all you can talk about is yourself.

Let's hear you bleat again. Illiterate simpleton.

On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Mark Kolmar wrote:

> The Neoist from your description, when accused/identified, would not
> suddenly cop to it: "Why, yes, mister, you got me there!" No doubt it
> would continue with the pattern previously set, according to its rules.

That's a nice description he's set up of Neoism according to his
dictatorial wishes ne?

> Karei wrote:

> Pattern and contradiction, much as Marc Garrett identified.

No babycheeks. There is no "pattern and contradiction"
besides in your wishful dictatorial brains.

Froth as you wish, you're not identifying.
You're projecting, and fancying that continued projection
will become "true".

This my dearest is murder + ego peddling.

Keep it to yourselves, babies. To yourselves.

Yes Mark,

Now we are establishing that they lack the imagination to do something more
creative, like sod off! We can safely predict that they will be playing the
same old boring record & we can all sit comfortably watching them continue
spewing out their contempt; knowing that they are nothing but immature
contrary-ites caught in the flux of their own shite.

marc


> The Neoist from your description, when accused/identified, would not
> suddenly cop to it: "Why, yes, mister, you got me there!" No doubt it
> would continue with the pattern previously set, according to its rules.




> On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, marc.garrett wrote:
>
> > Wrong to aquaint such a classy thing as Neoism to your ever so special
> > 'non-ego' cEntred types. You've ego alright, it's in yer txt all the
time…
>

>
> Karei wrote:
>
> > > Avoid attempting to write lengthy meaningless drivel in an attempt to
> > > slap a NUMBER of your OWN PROJECTIONS (which have nothing to do with
> > > neoism) under the guise of "intelligents".
>
> > > In fact, all you are doing is attempting to peddle your ego,
> > > and even using neoism as a "mask/whore".
> > >
> > > You cannot perceive what we do until you deal with your ego.
> > >
> > > The below is meaningless passive-aggressive drivel.
>
> Pattern and contradiction, much as Marc Garrett identified.
>
> –Mark
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Hi Kadbubz…

Neosit - Ninja - kittenz of the delusory nihilist sect/

In fact - your preseumption of my class - is your own ego slackness. I am
actually working class & proud of it, hence able to deal with little urchins
like your self. Coming from a tough working class background where part of
the social norm was to greet people with a thump on the nose instead of
mutual communication; has prepared me for ugliness such as yourselves.

You are so hung up on ego-stuff, make love with each other instead, it might
help you (honest), I make love a lot, a very nourishing experience. It is a
soulful experience - go on, explore your mutual flesh, instead of trying to
hurt all of the time. I bet you can't…

marc


> On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, marc.garrett wrote:
>
> > Now we are establishing that they lack the imagination
>
> No babycheeks. We are not the wishful derogatory projections in your
> brain.
>
> > to do something more creative,
>
> You have no awareness of creativity, murderous simpleton idiota.
>
> > like sod off! We can safely predict
>
> You cannot "predict" anything babycheeks.
> "Predictability" = the programmatic knee-jerk of western-middle
> class conditioned apes.
>
> > that they will be playing the same old boring record
>
> No babycheeks. Wea re not the wishful projections inside your brain.
>
> > & we can all sit comfortably watching them continue
> > spewing out their contempt;
>
> We are not spewing out any contempt : you however are.
> Avoid projecting your idiotic ego at us.
>
> > knowing
>
> No, babycheeks. You have no capacity to know.
>
> > that they are nothing but immature
>
> No babycheeks. We are not the wishful projections inside your brain.
> The only one immature here is you.
>
> > contrary-ites
>
> We are not contrary, dearest.
>
> > caught in the flux of their own shite.
>
> The only one caught in the flux of their own shite (and malice,
> hatred, jealousy, murderous idiotism, and egotism) is you, babycheeks.
>
> The very unlaughable standard blind middle-class ape, who projects
> (externalizes) its own idiot state on other + proceeds to feel "simply
> Superior" (condescension knee-jerk).
>
> The "record" babycheeks is you.
> Reflected accurately + precisely, the bloated symphony of
> mediocre egotist marc.garrett (and hence your pissiness + attacks).
>
>
>
>

On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, marc.garrett wrote:

> Neosit - Ninja - kittenz of the delusory nihilist sect/

Neither.

> In fact - your preseumption of my class

No dearest. There was no "presumption".

> - is your own ego slackness.

Not in the least.

> I am actually working class & proud of it,

Which is exactly what we observed.

> hence able to deal with little urchins like your self.

The only urchin here is you, dearest.
And no, you can't "deal" with anything.

> Coming from a tough working class background where part of
> the social norm was to greet people with a thump on the nose instead of
> mutual communication; has prepared me for ugliness such as yourselves.

The only one ugly here is you dearest.
Brutality is not "toughness".
It's murderous ape behavior.
And it isn't dealing. It's knee-jerking.

> You are so hung up on ego-stuff,

We are not hung up on anything.
Keep your projections to yourself.

> make love with each other instead,

You're not capable of love, dearest.

> it might help you (honest),

We don't need help.

> I make love a lot,

You're not capable of love.

> a very nourishing experience.

We are sure it is.

> It is a soulful experience

Sex isn't about souls. Nor do you have a soul.

> - go on, explore your mutual flesh, instead of trying to
> hurt all of the time. I bet you can't…

We are not hurting or trying to hurt, babycheeks.
You are.

On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, marc.garrett wrote:

> Your answers are all wrong

No babycheeks, they are not.

> and do not relate to me at all

Actually they do.

> - therefore I know
> that you are talking bollocks.

No babycheeks. We present you as you are.
Not as you wish to tell yourself you are :)

> As usual…

No dearest. Not 'as usual".

> get a life

Meaningless attempt at jab.

> & do something more rewarding for yourself

Another one.

>- if you've got the imaginations that is.

Meaningless jab using a word-concept it doesn't understand.

> For your own sake and your own (in)sanity & everyone
> else's.

Keep your patronizing egotism to yourself :)

Let's see you do it again ; "knee-jerk from self-importance" +
"spew forth self-pity". With imagination.

> He's on my block list. His postings have no redeeming value to any of my
> interests.

Bleat. Yet you "comment" continuously.
The "value" ofa nything or anybody does not revolve around your ego,
and you will never perceive any such until you step out of its
gravitational pull.

> A blunt instrument indeed. Heavy plodding for me, but not unrewarding.

More murderous knee-jerks.

> Block him. Consider it a sort of vaccination.

An act of cowardice, closer to reality.

> If he attacks my posts, I have no knowledge of that. Out of mind, out of
> reaction.

And you can talk crap without reaction too, thusly securing
the catatronic safety of your deluded brain.

> Don't know about that. Ignorance is a blissing in this instance.

Absolument! And soulful fucking :)

Tell us if you saw Jesus last time, and how creative
asleep reproductive LATERAL knee-jerking is.

Oh, and do TELL Us how anyone who dares to evolve
"vertically" and develop discernment and ability to perceive
must be attacked, attacked, attacked and murdered, murdered, murdered.

That's because you're NOT A SHEEP :)

> Hi Kadbubz…
> Neosit - Ninja - kittenz of the delusory nihilist sect/
> In fact - your preseumption of my class - is your own ego slackness.

Flacidmess might be a more appropoetic word than slackness.

> I am
> actually working class & proud of it, hence able to deal with little
urchins
> like your self. Coming from a tough working class background where part of
> the social norm was to greet people with a thump on the nose instead of
> mutual communication; has prepared me for ugliness such as yourselves.
>
> You are so hung up on ego-stuff, make love with each other instead, it
might
> help you (honest), I make love a lot, a very nourishing experience. It is
a
> soulful experience - go on, explore your mutual flesh, instead of trying
to
> hurt all of the time. I bet you can't…

I'm beside you on that.

> > On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, marc.garrett wrote:
> >
> > > Now we are establishing that they lack the imagination
> >
> > No babycheeks. We are not the wishful derogatory projections in your
> > brain.
> >
> > > to do something more creative,
> >
> > You have no awareness of creativity, murderous simpleton idiota.
> >
> > > like sod off! We can safely predict
> >
> > You cannot "predict" anything babycheeks.
> > "Predictability" = the programmatic knee-jerk of western-middle
> > class conditioned apes.
> >
> > > that they will be playing the same old boring record
> >
> > No babycheeks. Wea re not the wishful projections inside your brain.
> >
> > > & we can all sit comfortably watching them continue
> > > spewing out their contempt;
> >
> > We are not spewing out any contempt : you however are.
> > Avoid projecting your idiotic ego at us.
> >
> > > knowing
> >
> > No, babycheeks. You have no capacity to know.
> >
> > > that they are nothing but immature
> >
> > No babycheeks. We are not the wishful projections inside your brain.
> > The only one immature here is you.
> >
> > > contrary-ites
> >
> > We are not contrary, dearest.
> >
> > > caught in the flux of their own shite.
> >
> > The only one caught in the flux of their own shite (and malice,
> > hatred, jealousy, murderous idiotism, and egotism) is you, babycheeks.
> >
> > The very unlaughable standard blind middle-class ape, who projects
> > (externalizes) its own idiot state on other + proceeds to feel "simply
> > Superior" (condescension knee-jerk).
> >
> > The "record" babycheeks is you.
> > Reflected accurately + precisely, the bloated symphony of
> > mediocre egotist marc.garrett (and hence your pissiness + attacks).
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Wally Keeler wrote:

Backhanded wishful derogatory commentaries.

Neither you, nor Marc Garrett have the capacity of "imagination".


Simply shuffling about programmatic knee-jerks of self-importance
/self-pity in "novel" ways.

Nor do either of you have any interest in imagination. creativity. art.

Actual contact with the above precludes desire to murder
once and for all.

Hi Wally,

We agree on something on this list - they've become like little fleas, one
just has to spray them and they will curl over and die. Cuz they offer no
real communication other than hatred & no empathy; thus I have no issue of
them disappearing into the void (hole) from whence they came. The world
would not miss them, not a bad gauge or barometer to define how much they
will be missed.

If rhizome are too caught up in the '1st amendment', and prefer us to either
block or battle it on here, so be it. Then after the fight, we can all get
on with our real imaginative communicative intentions, not to be side-swiped
by 'Karei's' imposing spewings all the time. They have caused a lot of
damage to this list, which I am very resentful about; I now chat to various
rhizomers (offlist) via personal email instead (many of them women), because
they are so fed up with 'Karei's' macho-negative crap themselves, it all
feels quite rotten.

Rhizome are obviously not too bothered about this, or too busy to deal with
this problem - so certain people just have to get on with questioning the
flow and the way things are turning, even if it risks one's reputation. For
'self-conscious' reasoning sometimes have to be put aside to defy the lack
or established complicity occuring. I believe that I have managed to cut
through the armour of 'Karei's' persona via the 'Karei & Neoism' post, sent
in an earlier thread on this list. It is important also for Rhizome
especially to come to terms that even though as far as they are concerned,
this list is nothing compared to other aspects of its social respectability;
that trying (or actually being seen) to resolve issues like this might
actually help them (publicly) for the better. I know what they'll say
though, and it will be a default answer - block sender/1st amendment blah,
blah, blah…

I have consciously not paid any money because of Karei to Rhizome - for I
get value from mostly discussing with many people on this list, as well as
others; max Hermann and everyone else. But 'karei' has been the 1st thing
that has made me question the validity of a raw-list; which is pretty much
something coming from me. Yet perhaps because 'Karei' is like a
parasite/leach, they will not pay anyway, so if I can be assured that real
quality debate is happening on here - then I will be forced to leave and
discuss via email instead with those who are no longer interested in being
attacked in such a way. Of course, this will fall on deaf ears, cuz there
things going behind the scenes at rhizome that many of us are not aware of
which will favour 'Karei' over the rest of us.

That's Show biz Folks!

respect to all who give a damn…

http://www.furtherfield.org
http://www.furthernoise.org
http://www.dido.uk.net
We Can Make Our Own World.



> > Hi Kadbubz…
> > Neosit - Ninja - kittenz of the delusory nihilist sect/
> > In fact - your preseumption of my class - is your own ego slackness.
>
> Flacidmess might be a more appropoetic word than slackness.
>
> > I am
> > actually working class & proud of it, hence able to deal with little
> urchins
> > like your self. Coming from a tough working class background where part
of
> > the social norm was to greet people with a thump on the nose instead of
> > mutual communication; has prepared me for ugliness such as yourselves.
> >
> > You are so hung up on ego-stuff, make love with each other instead, it
> might
> > help you (honest), I make love a lot, a very nourishing experience. It
is
> a
> > soulful experience - go on, explore your mutual flesh, instead of trying
> to
> > hurt all of the time. I bet you can't…
>
> I'm beside you on that.
>
> > > On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, marc.garrett wrote:
> > >
> > > > Now we are establishing that they lack the imagination
> > >
> > > No babycheeks. We are not the wishful derogatory projections in your
> > > brain.
> > >
> > > > to do something more creative,
> > >
> > > You have no awareness of creativity, murderous simpleton idiota.
> > >
> > > > like sod off! We can safely predict
> > >
> > > You cannot "predict" anything babycheeks.
> > > "Predictability" = the programmatic knee-jerk of western-middle
> > > class conditioned apes.
> > >
> > > > that they will be playing the same old boring record
> > >
> > > No babycheeks. Wea re not the wishful projections inside your brain.
> > >
> > > > & we can all sit comfortably watching them continue
> > > > spewing out their contempt;
> > >
> > > We are not spewing out any contempt : you however are.
> > > Avoid projecting your idiotic ego at us.
> > >
> > > > knowing
> > >
> > > No, babycheeks. You have no capacity to know.
> > >
> > > > that they are nothing but immature
> > >
> > > No babycheeks. We are not the wishful projections inside your brain.
> > > The only one immature here is you.
> > >
> > > > contrary-ites
> > >
> > > We are not contrary, dearest.
> > >
> > > > caught in the flux of their own shite.
> > >
> > > The only one caught in the flux of their own shite (and malice,
> > > hatred, jealousy, murderous idiotism, and egotism) is you,
babycheeks.
> > >
> > > The very unlaughable standard blind middle-class ape, who projects
> > > (externalizes) its own idiot state on other + proceeds to feel
"simply
> > > Superior" (condescension knee-jerk).
> > >
> > > The "record" babycheeks is you.
> > > Reflected accurately + precisely, the bloated symphony of
> > > mediocre egotist marc.garrett (and hence your pissiness + attacks).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, marc.garrett wrote:

> We agree on something on this list - they've become like little fleas,

No babycheeks. We have not.
Do us a favor and have a courage to speak to us,
instead of hiding behind a filter so you can mouth off
and makes yourself feel better (out of reach of danger:)

You + wally : ignorant and cowardly blind chiens.

> one just has to spray them and they will curl over and die.

Yes, that's EXACTLY what is going on. Precisely
why you're running away. Please do gloat about your
MURDER MURDER BLOOD BLOOD impulse oh soulful princessa.

By the way, since you can "deal" with the likes of "us"
we do expect you to get an audience with your Queen
within the next week–or any "important" figura for
that matter–ah but you can't.

All you can do is froth at the mouth from the sidewalk.
Please do account that you are speaking to us because we
choose to avail ourselves.

> Cuz they offer no real communication

You are not capable of communication.
And correct: we have no interest in you.

> other than hatred

There is no hatred in our behavior dearest.
It does not matter how much you froth at the mouth.

> & no empathy;

You have no contact with empathy nor ability to discern it.
It's nice to throw around "big" concepts in order to justify
one's murderous idiocy isn't it.

> thus I have no issue of

I, I, I, I.
Hello, meet Princess Garrett.
The world revolves around its penis. Don't ask us why the princess
has one :)

> them disappearing into the void (hole) from whence they came.

You have no perception of 'whence we came" babycheeks.


> The world
> would not miss them, not a bad gauge or barometer to define how much they
> will be missed.

Tak. Conflation of ego with "world", childish attempts at
"condescension" + justification of murder.

What a shame that the Princessa lacks any nobility indeed.

> If rhizome are too caught up in the '1st amendment', and prefer us to either
> block or battle it on here, so be it.

sure. Now throw a fit at rhizome too, because it won't act YOUR way :)

> Then after the fight, we can all get
> on with our real imaginative communicative intentions,

As IF you have any :)

> not to be side-swiped
> by 'Karei's' imposing spewings all the time.

Yes, we are sure your mission is of UTMOST importance :)

> They have caused a lot of damage to this list,

No, dearest. We have not.

> which I am very resentful about;

Your resentfulness is your own murderous reaction :)

> I now chat to various rhizomers (offlist) via personal email instead (many of them women),

Bleat. Many of them women.
The standard use of women as commodity / whores to vanity.

> because they are so fed up with 'Karei's'

And you are the "voice" of your harem :))

> macho-negative crap themselves,

There is no 'macho-negativism" in our behavior, dearest :)

> it all feels quite rotten.

If you feel rotten, it is because you are :)

> Rhizome are obviously not too bothered about this, or too busy to deal with
> this problem

Knee-jerk rhizome. Do it. Do it.
We do wonder if you attempted to set up your parents this way too,
"mommy, daddy won't play my game".

> - so certain people just have to get on with questioning the
> flow and the way things are turning, even if it risks one's reputation.

Saving the world again :)

> 'self-conscious' reasoning sometimes have to be put aside to defy the lack
> or established complicity occuring.

The noble individual demanding that humans act as it wants them to :)

> I believe that I have managed to cut
> through the armour of 'Karei's' persona

You haven't cut through anything babycheeks.
Nor is there a persona.

> via the 'Karei & Neoism' post, sent
> in an earlier thread on this list. It is important also for Rhizome
> especially to come to terms that even though as far as they are concerned,
> this list is nothing compared to other aspects of its social respectability;
> that trying (or actually being seen) to resolve issues like this might
> actually help them (publicly) for the better.


Yes, wea re SURE that you do what you do for EVERYONE's BETTERMENT.

> I have consciously not paid any money because of Karei to Rhizome

Knee-jerk, knee-jerk. waving a dollar at (women) rhizome.
You're not capable of consciousness. Premeditated egotism? Yes.

> - for I
> get value from mostly discussing with many people on this list, as well as
> others; max Hermann and everyone else.

Certainly.


> But 'karei' has been the 1st thing
> that has made me question the validity of a raw-list;

We are ALL nice guys until something steps on our toes :)

> which is pretty much
> something coming from me. Yet perhaps because 'Karei' is like a
> parasite/leach,

We are not like a parasite nor a leach.
you on the other hand are. Not "like" one but one :)

> they will not pay anyway, so if I can be assured that real
> quality debate is happening on here - then I will be forced to leave and
> discuss via email instead with those who are no longer interested in being
> attacked in such a way.

Ursula and the 11,000 virgins jumped from a cliff rather than have sex
with their husbands because they were male. Was kill daddy popular in
the middle ages?

Alas, a last gesture of self-defiance : if you don't do as I say,
I will kill myself.

> Of course, this will fall on deaf ears,

The tragedy! <insert Wagner>

> cuz there
> things going behind the scenes at rhizome that

Yes. It's a conspiracy against noble princesses. And females.
Mostly it's a conspiracy against FEMALES.

> many of us are not aware of
> which will favour 'Karei' over the rest of us.

Yes that's exactly how non-onfantile babies act:
let's play favors.

> respect to all who give a damn…

Knee-jerk attempt. I will respect you if you act as I want you to.

> We Can Make Our Own World.

Sand castles of desire + egotism, behind whose doors
we hide.

Funny, but we never met any actual nobility who attempted to
degrade religion, soul, and ethics to little bitches
on a leash to their egos.

One may wish to observe another externalized "anthromorphism":
Marc Garret acts like a "noble princessa" who if it doesn't get its
way "off with their heads", is dictatorial, and excruciatingly lazy.
But of course those are all characteristic of that evil evil
"ruling class".

Apropos a facet of anthromorphism and "punching in the nose":

http://www.singinst.org/CFAI/anthro.html

A largely inaccurate article, yet with some interesting
observations to be extracted, about humans (and not AIs,
as they fail completely to not anthropomorhize :)

> Hi Wally,
> We agree on something on this list

Yes, and I think it's nice. Actually I believe that we probably agree on
much. I used to work in the courts in Ontario, and was often involved in the
adversarial process. What took place in the courtroom was left in the
courtroom, and so-called adversaries were in my home as I was in thiers,
partying, working on mutual projects, etc.

> - they've become like little fleas, one
> just has to spray them and they will curl over and die. Cuz they offer no
> real communication other than hatred & no empathy; thus I have no issue of
> them disappearing into the void (hole) from whence they came. The world
> would not miss them, not a bad gauge or barometer to define how much they
> will be missed.
>
> If rhizome are too caught up in the '1st amendment',

Methinks this is a USAmerican thing, n'est ce pas? Canada has a local
equivalent also. Perhaps it would be preferable to cite the equivalent
amendment of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights – so as to avoid
USA-centricism.

> and prefer us to either
> block or battle it on here, so be it. Then after the fight, we can all get
> on with our real imaginative communicative intentions, not to be
side-swiped
> by 'Karei's' imposing spewings all the time.

He's on my block list. His postings have no redeeming value to any of my
interests.

> They have caused a lot of
> damage to this list, which I am very resentful about; I now chat to
various
> rhizomers (offlist) via personal email instead (many of them women),
because
> they are so fed up with 'Karei's' macho-negative crap themselves, it all
> feels quite rotten.
>
> Rhizome are obviously not too bothered about this, or too busy to deal
with
> this problem - so certain people just have to get on with questioning the
> flow and the way things are turning, even if it risks one's reputation.
For
> 'self-conscious' reasoning sometimes have to be put aside to defy the lack
> or established complicity occuring. I believe that I have managed to cut
> through the armour of 'Karei's' persona via the 'Karei & Neoism' post,

A blunt instrument indeed. Heavy plodding for me, but not unrewarding.

> sent
> in an earlier thread on this list. It is important also for Rhizome
> especially to come to terms that even though as far as they are concerned,
> this list is nothing compared to other aspects of its social
respectability;
> that trying (or actually being seen) to resolve issues like this might
> actually help them (publicly) for the better. I know what they'll say
> though, and it will be a default answer - block sender/1st amendment blah,
> blah, blah…

As non-USAmerican, I am not guided by the 1st amendment.

> I have consciously not paid any money because of Karei to Rhizome - for I
> get value from mostly discussing with many people on this list, as well as
> others; max Hermann and everyone else. But 'karei' has been the 1st thing
> that has made me question the validity of a raw-list; which is pretty much
> something coming from me.

Block him. Consider it a sort of vaccination.

>Yet perhaps because 'Karei' is like a
> parasite/leach, they will not pay anyway, so if I can be assured that real
> quality debate is happening on here - then I will be forced to leave and
> discuss via email instead with those who are no longer interested in being
> attacked in such a way.

If he attacks my posts, I have no knowledge of that. Out of mind, out of
reaction.

> Of course, this will fall on deaf ears, cuz there
> things going behind the scenes at rhizome that many of us are not aware of
> which will favour 'Karei' over the rest of us.

Don't know about that. Ignorance is a blissing in this instance.

> That's Show biz Folks!
> respect to all who give a damn…
>
> http://www.furtherfield.org
> http://www.furthernoise.org
> http://www.dido.uk.net
> We Can Make Our Own World.

Your answers are all wrong and do not relate to me at all - therefore I know
that you are talking bollocks.
As usual…

get a life & do something more rewarding for yourself - if you've got the
imaginations that is. For your own sake and your own (in)sanity & everyone
else's.

marc


> On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, marc.garrett wrote:
>
> > Neosit - Ninja - kittenz of the delusory nihilist sect/
>
> Neither.
>
> > In fact - your preseumption of my class
>
> No dearest. There was no "presumption".
>
> > - is your own ego slackness.
>
> Not in the least.
>
> > I am actually working class & proud of it,
>
> Which is exactly what we observed.
>
> > hence able to deal with little urchins like your self.
>
> The only urchin here is you, dearest.
> And no, you can't "deal" with anything.
>
> > Coming from a tough working class background where part of
> > the social norm was to greet people with a thump on the nose instead of
> > mutual communication; has prepared me for ugliness such as yourselves.
>
> The only one ugly here is you dearest.
> Brutality is not "toughness".
> It's murderous ape behavior.
> And it isn't dealing. It's knee-jerking.
>
> > You are so hung up on ego-stuff,
>
> We are not hung up on anything.
> Keep your projections to yourself.
>
> > make love with each other instead,
>
> You're not capable of love, dearest.
>
> > it might help you (honest),
>
> We don't need help.
>
> > I make love a lot,
>
> You're not capable of love.
>
> > a very nourishing experience.
>
> We are sure it is.
>
> > It is a soulful experience
>
> Sex isn't about souls. Nor do you have a soul.
>
> > - go on, explore your mutual flesh, instead of trying to
> > hurt all of the time. I bet you can't…
>
> We are not hurting or trying to hurt, babycheeks.
> You are.
>
>

On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, marc.garrett wrote:

> Now we are establishing that they lack the imagination

No babycheeks. We are not the wishful derogatory projections in your
brain.

> to do something more creative,

You have no awareness of creativity, murderous simpleton idiota.

> like sod off! We can safely predict

You cannot "predict" anything babycheeks.
"Predictability" = the programmatic knee-jerk of western-middle
class conditioned apes.

> that they will be playing the same old boring record

No babycheeks. Wea re not the wishful projections inside your brain.

> & we can all sit comfortably watching them continue
> spewing out their contempt;

We are not spewing out any contempt : you however are.
Avoid projecting your idiotic ego at us.

> knowing

No, babycheeks. You have no capacity to know.

> that they are nothing but immature

No babycheeks. We are not the wishful projections inside your brain.
The only one immature here is you.

> contrary-ites

We are not contrary, dearest.

> caught in the flux of their own shite.

The only one caught in the flux of their own shite (and malice,
hatred, jealousy, murderous idiotism, and egotism) is you, babycheeks.

The very unlaughable standard blind middle-class ape, who projects
(externalizes) its own idiot state on other + proceeds to feel "simply
Superior" (condescension knee-jerk).

The "record" babycheeks is you.
Reflected accurately + precisely, the bloated symphony of
mediocre egotist marc.garrett (and hence your pissiness + attacks).