[l0l] LOL#24

In a message dated 8/16/2002 9:33:07 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:


> Raster Noton

So it's Raster Noton, not Rastor?

In a message dated 8/17/2002 5:53:31 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:


> When will you stop posting meaningless nonsense?

I swear to heaven, what are you an expert in? I'll crush you at it.

I know more about Russian literature and history and music than you ever
will.

Sincerely,

Max Herman

++

On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 [email protected] wrote:

> > When will you stop posting meaningless nonsense?
>
> I swear to heaven, what are you an expert in? I'll crush you at it.

Not an expert in anything ? you are a narcissistic motormouth.

> I know more about Russian literature and history and music than you ever
> will.

Doubtful that. You know absolutely nothing–furthermore
you lack the ability to know. True knowledge arises
spontaneously as needed, to those who can know.

Your head is full of crap; that's why you're rambling so much,
and saying so absolutely nothing.

What I would like you to do is go into your Millennium Hut,
quit talking / reading / internally + externally for a week,
and mail me a video tape of that.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 [email protected] wrote:

> Dude you're weaker than a baby's bathwater.

I don't know. have you been around baby's bathwater much?

> I toss my dirty sock in your face.

You'd have to get to my 'face' first.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 [email protected] wrote:

> So it's Raster Noton, not Rastor?

Could tell you if you knew.

In a message dated 8/17/2002 5:13:32 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:


> Could tell you if you knew.

Ooh man would I like to get you in a big Moscow netart boxing match. I'll
even bring a hockey team if you got the satchel. Chess and hoops I'll wax
your back and your whole fucking crew's (Al Pacino, "Heat," circa 1997).
Loser buys morels and reindeer at Diana's in Stockholm.

So teacher man ask your kids to look at G2K and ask what they say–I know you
won't, you're like softened water–and tell them I speak Russki too.

Das vidania lyeta kulak, never talk down to the Tornado spasiba.

Xorosho con leche, y voina i mir aussi,

Max Herman
AAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGG!!!!!!!!!.hulk.com

++

In a message dated 8/17/2002 5:16:12 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:


> Could tell you if you knew.
>

Dude you're weaker than a baby's bathwater.

I toss my dirty sock in your face.

"She should be forced to smell it; not over and over…."

++

See, this is simply "a flame war," which is really boring to most of the
people on the lists; especially when it occurs on three lists which have
a similar readership. This reinforces the need to set a precedent for
net.art battles to solve such flame wars.

1. They remove the empty gesturing and insult hurling, and allow one to
argue ideas in an artistic context.
2. They will presumably be more interesting than said empty gestures and
insults.
3. The "battle" can be archived, allowing the "conversation" to be
studied and analyzed into the future.
4. The flame wars would then end.

We could agree to a set of rules for sportsmanship prior to the battle,
if necessary. Please think it over; and if Max or -IID42 do not accept,
I hope future flame-war enlistees will consider the option.

Cheers,
-e.





-IID42 Kandinskij @27+ wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 [email protected] wrote:
>
>>>When will you stop posting meaningless nonsense?
>>>
>>I swear to heaven, what are you an expert in? I'll crush you at it.
>>
>
> Not an expert in anything ? you are a narcissistic motormouth.
>
>>I know more about Russian literature and history and music than you ever
>>will.
>>
>
> Doubtful that. You know absolutely nothing–furthermore
> you lack the ability to know. True knowledge arises
> spontaneously as needed, to those who can know.
>
> Your head is full of crap; that's why you're rambling so much,
> and saying so absolutely nothing.
>
> What I would like you to do is go into your Millennium Hut,
> quit talking / reading / internally + externally for a week,
> and mail me a video tape of that.
>
>`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>
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>

I reckon Eryk's got a point,

May be its time to get on with taking things a bit further now, a bit more
respect for each other instead of beating each other over the head. There
have been some pretty interesting items lately that could have been explored
by list users more effectivey that have not been discussed. What's the use
of people bothering to think about something if flame wars keep cropping up.

Let's get busy with debating in depth, plus having playful messages that are
(creative and imaginative) above using the word 'fuck' all the time. It does
get a bit boring, shit - even i'm getting bored with it…

marc




> See, this is simply "a flame war," which is really boring to most of the
> people on the lists; especially when it occurs on three lists which have
> a similar readership. This reinforces the need to set a precedent for
> net.art battles to solve such flame wars.
>
> 1. They remove the empty gesturing and insult hurling, and allow one to
> argue ideas in an artistic context.
> 2. They will presumably be more interesting than said empty gestures and
> insults.
> 3. The "battle" can be archived, allowing the "conversation" to be
> studied and analyzed into the future.
> 4. The flame wars would then end.
>
> We could agree to a set of rules for sportsmanship prior to the battle,
> if necessary. Please think it over; and if Max or -IID42 do not accept,
> I hope future flame-war enlistees will consider the option.
>
> Cheers,
> -e.
>
>
>
>
>
> -IID42 Kandinskij @27+ wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >>>When will you stop posting meaningless nonsense?
> >>>
> >>I swear to heaven, what are you an expert in? I'll crush you at it.
> >>
> >
> > Not an expert in anything ? you are a narcissistic motormouth.
> >
> >>I know more about Russian literature and history and music than you ever
> >>will.
> >>
> >
> > Doubtful that. You know absolutely nothing–furthermore
> > you lack the ability to know. True knowledge arises
> > spontaneously as needed, to those who can know.
> >
> > Your head is full of crap; that's why you're rambling so much,
> > and saying so absolutely nothing.
> >
> > What I would like you to do is go into your Millennium Hut,
> > quit talking / reading / internally + externally for a week,
> > and mail me a video tape of that.
> >
> >`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
> >
> >——————————————————————–
> >t h i n g i s t
> >message by "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
> >archive at http://bbs.thing.net
> >info: send email to [email protected]
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> >
>
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On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 [email protected] wrote:

> Ooh man would I like to get you in a big Moscow netart boxing match.

And the above means?

> I'll even bring a hockey team if you got the satchel.

And the above means?

> Chess and hoops I'll wax your back and your whole fucking crew's (Al
> Pacino, "Heat," circa 1997).

So you are a pimp? Shocking.

> Loser buys morels and reindeer at Diana's in Stockholm.

I can give you a PO Box to ship those to right now.

> So teacher man ask your kids to look at G2K and ask what they say–
> I know you won't, you're like softened water–and tell them I speak
> Russki too.

> Das vidania lyeta kulak, never talk down to the Tornado spasiba.
>
> Xorosho con leche, y voina i mir aussi,
>

When will you stop posting meaningless nonsense?

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

In a message dated 8/17/2002 7:30:15 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:


> What I would like you to do is go into your Millennium Hut,
> quit talking / reading / internally + externally for a week,
> and mail me a video tape of that.

I admit my head is full of crap and I lack ability to know, plus you are a
classy dude, plus I would go live in the hut if there was one.
www.geocities.com/genius-2000/Focusgroup.GIF. I will bury myself!!!!!!!!!!!

The bronze voice of orthodoxy,

Max Herman
genius.com

++

On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, Eryk Salvaggio wrote:

> See, this is simply "a flame war,"

No, this is not "simply a flame war", and I request nicely
that you refrain from enforcing your own incompetent labels
on what I do.

> which is really boring to most of the people on the lists;

Also, please avoid speaking for 'all people'.
Mr. Eryk–I explain all, I speak for all.
You are revolting.

> especially when it occurs on three lists which have a similar readership.

Thanks, but I already asked you once–and nicely–to cease with your
patronizing, condescending, explanatory attitude. I take full
responsibility for my actions–and unlike you, I am in fact capable of
doing so.

> This reinforces the need to set a precedent for net.art battles to solve
> such flame wars.

Except for this is not a flame war. And 'precedents' are the
characteristic of dumb individuals who fail to realize that
one must pay attention now.now.now. Loop-loop-loop.


> 1. They remove the empty gesturing and insult hurling,

The only empty gesturing and insult hurling comes from you.
Remove yourself.

> and allow one to argue ideas in an artistic context.

The meaning of which will be dictated by monkeyfaces like yourself?
HA!

> 2. They will presumably be more interesting than said empty gestures and
> insults.

You're uninteresting. Remove yourself.

> 3. The "battle" can be archived, allowing the "conversation" to be
> studied and analyzed into the future.

I give no permission for anything that I post to be 'archived' in part
or in whole, in direct form or as quoted in another's e-mail with the
exception of archives of mailing lists to which i am voluntarily
subscribed.



> 4. The flame wars would then end.

This is not a flame war, idiot. Take your cut-out card-board brain
'fitting' away, and come back when you've learned to perceive
events as they are. Perhaps then yo'll have a valid standpoint to
determine anything about 'art'.


> We could agree to a set of rules for sportsmanship prior to the battle,
> if necessary.


No, thank you. WeTHlusion of the idiots.
I set my own rules + value my autonomy +
have very little tolerance for your attempts at transgression.

> Please think it over;

Pls learn hoe to 'think' first.

> and if Max or -IID42 do not accept, I hope future flame-war enlistees
> will consider the option.

Thusly perpetuating Eryk's overinflated sense of value + self-importance.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 [email protected] wrote:

> > What I would like you to do is go into your Millennium Hut,
> > quit talking / reading / internally + externally for a week,
> > and mail me a video tape of that.
>
> I admit my head is full of crap and I lack ability to know, plus you are a
> classy dude, plus I would go live in the hut if there was one.
> www.geocities.com/genius-2000/Focusgroup.GIF. I will bury myself!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> The bronze voice of orthodoxy,
>
> Max Herman
> genius.com

I'd move the artist in the audience. But I'm afraid mailing lists already
DO that, Max. As for the Milennium Hut–you already have it. Please bury
yourself.


http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0262621533.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Q. Recapitulate all those characters.

A. We have said that the law of design is,

1. Primitive; 6. Reasonable; 2. Immediate; 7. Just; 3. Universal; 8.
Pacific; 4. Invariable; 9. Beneficent: and 5. Evident; 10. Alone
sufficient.

In traditional Asian cultures, directions – left and right – were
referenced from the point of view of the implicitly animistic object, not
that of the subject viewing the object. A Westerner receiving directions
involving landmarks would generally take a series of wrong turns.
Likewise, perhaps, regarding directions relative to realms of the spirit
– because the notions of identity diverge so decisively: identity
transparency in old East, individual identity in post-Renaissance West.
Difficulties in comprehending this difference are compounded because
identity transparency is not a particular state of the subject, as the
Westerner accustomed to inanimate objects instinctively supposes, but a
state of the {object : subject :: subject : object} occasion in undivided
gestalt.

Object as subject has been denigrated by social psychology by
anthropology, as contagion as participation mystique: the primitive mind,
via psychological projection, transfers its own subjective contents onto
the object – and then perceives those contents is transference as if
actual attributes of the object. Indeed, inability to distinguish between
the subjective and object is treated as the hallmark of primitive mind and
some psychoses. Even Buddhism negatively so regards, as this conflation of
object and subject is considered the root of all suffering: attachment.
High culture always demeans animism. We say subject and object, rather
than object and subject, for good reason. But is object and subject
object as subject or object in subject?


When we experience a little death, we simultaneously are willing to risk
the big death, when what we have identified with the self is subject to
denial: object in subject. The own-world is a world of objects
introjected, objects brought into the subject, consumed as fetish as
theater as totem as building me-opposed-to-them. My own-world as me.
Objectification of the subject, rather than subjectification of the
object. Instead of theater beneath the skirt (sex object: she stoops to
conquer), the stage strutting and fretting within the thespian
(existential subject: he eats to fight). Subject and object, object and
subject: which is which?

On the outskirts of Bangkok there is an old house, a house made of teak in
Thai style with multiple levels, multiple terraces, many roofs, separate
structures interconnected by ramps of the inner garden hanging pomelo and
papaya and plum and persimmon, durian, mango and milk-breast fruit. Near
the door to the highest sleeping pavilion is a large pierced carving – 3
by 4 meters – forming the frontal wall. One will walk past this layered
cut-out relief dozens of times, momentarily stopping perhaps, registering
only a confusion of abstractions, an entanglement of all shapes blended
into one, wavering, precarious, a collection of aspects elusive and
affording no hold, until suddenly – object as subject! – the image
appears in awareness: A giant cicada superimposed upon a farmer squatting
on a rice paddy dike, whose knees and thighs are the shoulders and torsos
of two straining water buffalo surging forward at the viewing subject out
of a valley of rice rimmed in circling hills stitched of bristling
undergrowth. But the figures will not remain resolved! They become
confused together borrowing mutually their qualities, appearing as an
inextricable entanglement of reciprocal influences, persons and things in
a perpetual state of instability confused together borrowing mutually
their qualities, confused together, confused until suddenly – object in
subject! – reappears the confusion of abstractions, all shapes blended
into one, wavering, precarious, a collection of aspects: {object : subject
:: subject : object, object : subject :: subject : object}.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, furtherfield wrote:

> May be its time to get on with taking things a bit further now, a bit more
> respect for each other instead of beating each other over the head.

But nobody's beating anybody over the head?
Besides, I am perfectly RESPECTFUL of Max.
Respect is not ass-kissing, idolatry, and empty manners / flattery.


> What's the use of people bothering to think about something if flame
> wars keep cropping up.

And what does this mean?

> Let's get busy with debating in depth,

Ha ha. spare me. I am_ debating in depth. Do I not fit the cardboard
cut-out of 'debating in depth'? We've already established that my
pants are the wrong color, and my name is 'stupid'.



> plus having playful messages that are (creative and imaginative) above
> using the word 'fuck' all the time.

Thanks, o–judge of creativity and playfulness. Next time I'll try
to be creative and playful as per your specifications stated in Law 734
Rule 745, pt. a, paragraph 3.

> It does get a bit boring, shit - even i'm getting bored with it…

Which is your problem only. You're getting bored because you like
getting bored. Fashionable hobbies of the _________:
affektation + boredom. Habitual 'intellectualism' +
cookie-cutter viewz.


`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

on 8/17/02 8:43 PM, furtherfield [email protected] ecrit :


> Let's get busy with debating in depth, plus having playful messages that are
> (creative and imaginative) above using the word 'fuck' all the time.

Let's just not get too creative…
For example, Natalie Myers rediddling of my sig below, while re-diddling can
be considered a type of ascii-art battling, I think she went over board with
adding the words "FUCK YOU", and although it made me laugh, I was instantly
hit with the idea than maybe Natalie should take hire an ascii-art tutor
before she jumps into making "flash movie(s)"

,_, ,_, ,_, ,_, ,_,
/| | /| | /| | /| | /| |
,__|||_F __ ___| /|U___ ___| /|C___ ___| /|K___ ___| |___, ,__|| |___,
,__|| |___, ,__|| |___, ,__|| |___,
//|___ ___|
|/Y_/| |__/ |/

O___/| |__/ |/

U___/| |__/ |/___/| |__/
|| | || | || | || | || |
|| | || | || | || | || |
|| | || | || | || | || |
|| | || | || | || | || |
v.._.|| |i.v_.v.._.|| |i.v_._v.._.|| |i.v_._v.._.|| |i.v_._v.._.|| |i.v_._


> It does get a bit boring, shit - even i'm getting bored with it…

"Was I bored? No I wasn't fuckin' bored. I'm never bored. That's the trouble
with everybody - you're all so bored. You've had nature explained to you and
you're bored with it. You've had the living body explained to you and you're
bored with it. You've had the universe explained to you and you're bored
with it. So now you just want cheap thrills and like plenty of 'em and it
dun't matter 'ow tawdry or vacuous they are as long as it's new, as long as
it's new, as long as it flashes and fuckin' beeps in forty fuckin' different
colours. Well whatever else you can say about me, I'm not fuckin' bored."
-johnny "Naked" by M. Leigh 1993


-muserna

"""""
( 0 0) <- Ever seen a bucktooth dino with hair?
}. .{ Don't laugh, but you have now.
–uu-
`-' Goofy Dinos only at:
http://home.earthlink.net/~hairymuseum/gdotw

Ok,

No probz then..:-)


> On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, furtherfield wrote:
>
> > May be its time to get on with taking things a bit further now, a bit
more
> > respect for each other instead of beating each other over the head.
>
> But nobody's beating anybody over the head?
> Besides, I am perfectly RESPECTFUL of Max.
> Respect is not ass-kissing, idolatry, and empty manners / flattery.
>
>
> > What's the use of people bothering to think about something if flame
> > wars keep cropping up.
>
> And what does this mean?
>
> > Let's get busy with debating in depth,
>
> Ha ha. spare me. I am_ debating in depth. Do I not fit the cardboard
> cut-out of 'debating in depth'? We've already established that my
> pants are the wrong color, and my name is 'stupid'.
>
>
>
> > plus having playful messages that are (creative and imaginative) above
> > using the word 'fuck' all the time.
>
> Thanks, o–judge of creativity and playfulness. Next time I'll try
> to be creative and playful as per your specifications stated in Law 734
> Rule 745, pt. a, paragraph 3.
>
> > It does get a bit boring, shit - even i'm getting bored with it…
>
> Which is your problem only. You're getting bored because you like
> getting bored. Fashionable hobbies of the _________:
> affektation + boredom. Habitual 'intellectualism' +
> cookie-cutter viewz.
>
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>
>

yep,

your right - Muserna.

marc


> on 8/17/02 8:43 PM, furtherfield [email protected] ecrit :
>
>
> > Let's get busy with debating in depth, plus having playful messages that
are
> > (creative and imaginative) above using the word 'fuck' all the time.
>
> Let's just not get too creative…
> For example, Natalie Myers rediddling of my sig below, while re-diddling
can
> be considered a type of ascii-art battling, I think she went over board
with
> adding the words "FUCK YOU", and although it made me laugh, I was
instantly
> hit with the idea than maybe Natalie should take hire an ascii-art tutor
> before she jumps into making "flash movie(s)"
>
> ,_, ,_, ,_, ,_, ,_,
> /| | /| | /| | /| | /| |
> ,__|||_F __ ___| /|U___ ___| /|C___ ___| /|K___ ___| |___, ,__|| |___,
> ,__|| |___, ,__|| |___, ,__|| |___,
> //|___ ___|
> |/Y_/| |__/ |/
>
> O___/| |__/ |/
>
> U___/| |__/ |/___/| |__/
> || | || | || | || | || |
> || | || | || | || | || |
> || | || | || | || | || |
> || | || | || | || | || |
> v.._.|| |i.v_.v.._.|| |i.v_._v.._.|| |i.v_._v.._.|| |i.v_._v.._.|| |i.v_._
>
>
> > It does get a bit boring, shit - even i'm getting bored with it…
>
> "Was I bored? No I wasn't fuckin' bored. I'm never bored. That's the
trouble
> with everybody - you're all so bored. You've had nature explained to you
and
> you're bored with it. You've had the living body explained to you and
you're
> bored with it. You've had the universe explained to you and you're bored
> with it. So now you just want cheap thrills and like plenty of 'em and it
> dun't matter 'ow tawdry or vacuous they are as long as it's new, as long
as
> it's new, as long as it flashes and fuckin' beeps in forty fuckin'
different
> colours. Well whatever else you can say about me, I'm not fuckin' bored."
> -johnny "Naked" by M. Leigh 1993
>
>
> -muserna
>
> """""
> ( 0 0) <- Ever seen a bucktooth dino with hair?
> }. .{ Don't laugh, but you have now.
> –uu-
> `-' Goofy Dinos only at:
> http://home.earthlink.net/~hairymuseum/gdotw
>
>
>

LOL, indeed… I am quite sure I have not reached the level of
popularity where certain aspects of my life would become a subject to
public discussion.. However, a few friends wrote in asking me about the
content and the nature of the post and, even though I am not
participating in any of the forums, I decided to post my, hm.. fairly
extensive, comments..


-IID42 Kandinskij @27+ wrote:

>Parce que, we do not enjoy false propaganda.
>

This statement is a key to everything that follows.


>Being printed in less than 1000 copies due to manufacturing problem,
> and probably about half given for promotional purposes and shoved in the
> hands of scene 'friends,' and the rest being sold to distributors–
> which does not mean that the LPs are actually sold_.
>

Such information I have no access to. It must be coming from hacked
raster-noton X files or something.. Personally, I am not aware of any
manufacturing problems, neither do I know how many copies have been
given out. I remember being properly paid by raster-noton and the
payment was based on the aforementioned number of copies.. Generally, I
do not think record labels practice giving away their releases,
particularly as the manufacture usually costs money.


>There is no such thing as 'digital quality' when it comes to
> digital recordings, unless what one scribbles is entirely flat.
>

That statement is bold and obvious, yet meaningless since it is taking
the subject out of the context. The digital recording in question was
originally released on vinyl, an essentially analogue medium which has
certain limitations where stereo image is concerned. The mastering was
done very professionally, yet the final result was a compromise in terms
of sound, still. Hence my decision to release Mask Of Birth on CD.


>> Born in Russia, Ivan Pavlov lives and works in Sweden.
>
> In other words, Ivan enjoys the charms of Swedish / Western
> salary, living condition, and artist support system in a consummatory
> manner without willing to give back and trashing the country who
> hosts him–in a typical russian imperialist / nationalistic manner.
>

Indeed, I do enjoy some obvious charms and freedoms of the Western
lifestyle. Especially the freedom to travel. As for the "artist support
system", the notion is incorrect - the Swedish system would not support
me since I am a Russian citizen, the Russian system would not support me
since I live in Sweden. I can not get an "artist in residence" support
either, since I am permanently resident and have a job in Sweden…
[neither am I an artist, nor am I interested in being supported
altogether].

Where the "giving back" to Sweden is concerned… yo, I am a
disciplined tax-payer! :)

Okay, in musical terms.. To defend my relationship with "the host" (!)
- I have been involved into organizing and running a club/society here
in Stockholm (called The Nursery) to encourage and support experimental
music, hm.. whenever I am invited to perform here I play for free.. mm,
I am in good contact with the local artists and we occasionally work
together. Generally, I am not sure what qualifies for being a "Russian
imperialist" these days. :)


>Actually Ivan has no more 'roots' as those were destroyed in a
> 'working' he was involved in as my subject b/n 1999-2001,
>

"a working", "my subject"… hm.. (I can not believe the subject line is
"LOL#24"!)

Okay, I think this must be explained. I have, indeed, taken the author's
graphic work to accompany my sound pieces on a couple of occasions. For
this work I had paid the author half of my share, which I find fair.
Unfortunately, I had the mistake of inviting the author to make cover
art for two albums, one of them being a COH record. The author had
procrastinated both works for about one year each and the final result
was below any expectations: i.e. I found both works terribly lacking in
connection with the music as well as generally inconsistent and
uninteresting. Therefore I took the decision to reject them both.. might
have to do something with my "imperialistic roots", I reckon!


>> As a qualified acoustic researcher
>
> Which is a complete and blatant lie–ivan was studying for a Ph. D.
> in physics in SWEDEN (notice: Not Russia), and while his thesis-to-be
> of which he personally gave me a copy is related to noise reduction in
> industrial living spaces, it has got nothing to do with sound acoustics
> as pertaining to music–nor is he in any manner qualified as such.
>

I understand that one's qualification can be seen from different angles.
I have studied acoustics and sound propagation for 15 years, of which 9
years in Russia. I quit working in science a couple of years ago, having
completed a Licentiate degree (which is about half way to Ph.D.)
Published copies of my Lic thesis I had, indeed, given/sent to a number
of people I know.. for fun, really. The work is largely theoretical and
quite simple as it deals with a classical problem of diffraction of a
spherical wave against half-plane with varying edge profile.. Which can
have potential applications in screening of traffic noise. In Russia I
have been working with substantially different and way more interesting
subjects and was invited to Sweden as a "qualified acoustic researcher"
to participate in one of the projects here.


>Furthermore, he did not finish his Ph.D–ie again–he's not 'qualified'
> as he dropped out of the University program upon my very strong
> recommendation for him to do so.
>

This statement is nonsense in its purest form, the author seems
overwhelmed with self-importance.


>Again–a complete lie. Ivan is fairly lazy, and spends a few hours
> every weekend working on his 'music' in a singular sound program
> which I shall not disclose. He has no familiarity with any other
> software than this one, nor synthesizers, nor methods for synthesizing
> sounds (nor Russian avant-garde art for that matter).
>

I have no problem with being lazy, as long as I can afford being that. I
make music when I have the time and the urge. My selection of software
is currently limited to three different pieces. I am using a Pentium 100
PC. I am familiar with Sound Synthesis to the extent where I can say
that the area is far larger that what relates to computer software. I
can not say I am an expert in Russian avant-garde. Again, how many can?
Taken that the large part of the collection is still stored in the
backrooms of the Russian Art Museum in St. Petersburg..


>Also known as 'I'm just fucking around in this software, and I think
> it's really funny that the world is so stupid to buy my crap.' Which
> by the way seems to be the working-motto of MEGO as a whole.
>

I do find it exciting that there is people interested in what I do. I
have been making music with computer since about 1991 and never thought
anyone would bother.. It was a big surprise when people showed interest,
indeed. I do not think of my audience as stupid. Somehow, I do not think
of my audience at all. Unlike in public forums, in music, when one
begins to think of how people will listen to what one does - it is the
end. Or so I believe.

As for MEGO, I believe anyone who is familiar with their output knows
how diverse is their catalogue and that they are far from being
concentrated specifically on computer music.


>> 'Mask Of Birth' is largely inspired by the late 70-es/early 80ies dance
>> music: as stated on the cover, it is "new disco for the new human".
>
> Ie, read 'a rip off'.
>

The record is not inspired by the sound, but by the attitude. I also
believe, when one operates with words like "rip-off", references to
specific sources that had been ripped off must be provided.


> At this point, Mr. Ivan is little but a lifeless korpse with
>no energy
> of his own, nor any ability to create anything besides continuous
> ripping off of actual / real artists.
>

The author being 8-9 years younger than myself (and a female!), it is
quite possible and even likely that my energy levels seem low from the
heights of hers. As for ripping off of "actual/real" artists, without
specific references the notion makes no sense, again.


>Release, purchase, and consummation of his 'tasty' tracks is likely
> to result in little but psychik damage to users. The person is
> broken.
>

According to the author, "the person" i.e. myself got "broken" through
being "a subject" at "a working" together with her "b/n" 1999-2000. Mask
Of Birth had been recorded back in 1997-98, prior to any contact with
the author, which means it is quite safe in terms of "psychik damage to
users"! :)


>Pretentious twit, fraud, and opportunist who wouldn't make it
> as a low-level musician in Russia actually–but he enjoys flaunting his
> 'Russianness* to con people.
>

Equipped with this sentence and a good American lawyer, I could have
probably squeezed out some alchemical gold from the base matter of the
whole message! :)

Low-level… Music is my hobby and I want it to be that way, even though
I could be doing it differently. I am Russian, which I have no problem
with. Maybe we have different understanding of our cultural background?
The author, Biliana Dimitrova (aka D42, 27+, cjii iBatzu, Morbid
Darkness etc) comes from Bulgary. A few years ago she managed to
"smuggle" herself into the US through a "fake" marriage to an American
citizen and, according to herself, refuses to speak her native tongue
at the Bulgarian embassy and to her mother.. ("roots"!). I can
understand that compared to this, my way of being can be seen as
"flaunting my Russianness".

As for being a "pretentious twit" - if I wanted to be pretentious, I
would have been serving ignorance as expertise at public forums and I
would be signing my messages as "B-52 Malevich" or something similar..
(By the way, what's "twit"? Is it "twat with a wit"?)

In all cases, the author is likely to spread more of the made-up
nonsense in attempt to attract more attention to her deliriously witty
self. I sincerely hope her posts remain as entertaining in that yellow
paper sense.. although the subject line should probably be changed to
something else. How about "breaking news from god-emil.dk"? :D

I consider having made myself clear and will not participate any further
in any of the discussion.

best,
ivan /COH

On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, furtherfield wrote:

> yep,
>
> your right - Muserna.
>
> marc
>

Cheap condescending copout +
similarly as your response to 'my' post.
Slighting + dismissing all valid points.

No, I don't imagine that intelligence
slots into your 'playful' 'debating'
'precocious-but-not-too-much' wallpaper
room decorating which you call 'art'.

HA!

>
> > on 8/17/02 8:43 PM, furtherfield [email protected] ecrit :
> >
> >
> > > Let's get busy with debating in depth, plus having playful messages that
> are
> > > (creative and imaginative) above using the word 'fuck' all the time.
> >
> > Let's just not get too creative…
> > For example, Natalie Myers rediddling of my sig below, while re-diddling
> can
> > be considered a type of ascii-art battling, I think she went over board
> with
> > adding the words "FUCK YOU", and although it made me laugh, I was
> instantly
> > hit with the idea than maybe Natalie should take hire an ascii-art tutor
> > before she jumps into making "flash movie(s)"
> >
> > ,_, ,_, ,_, ,_, ,_,
> > /| | /| | /| | /| | /| |
> > ,__|||_F __ ___| /|U___ ___| /|C___ ___| /|K___ ___| |___, ,__|| |___,
> > ,__|| |___, ,__|| |___, ,__|| |___,
> > //|___ ___|
> > |/Y_/| |__/ |/
> >
> > O___/| |__/ |/
> >
> > U___/| |__/ |/___/| |__/
> > || | || | || | || | || |
> > || | || | || | || | || |
> > || | || | || | || | || |
> > || | || | || | || | || |
> > v.._.|| |i.v_.v.._.|| |i.v_._v.._.|| |i.v_._v.._.|| |i.v_._v.._.|| |i.v_._
> >
> >
> > > It does get a bit boring, shit - even i'm getting bored with it…
> >
> > "Was I bored? No I wasn't fuckin' bored. I'm never bored. That's the
> trouble
> > with everybody - you're all so bored. You've had nature explained to you
> and
> > you're bored with it. You've had the living body explained to you and
> you're
> > bored with it. You've had the universe explained to you and you're bored
> > with it. So now you just want cheap thrills and like plenty of 'em and it
> > dun't matter 'ow tawdry or vacuous they are as long as it's new, as long
> as
> > it's new, as long as it flashes and fuckin' beeps in forty fuckin'
> different
> > colours. Well whatever else you can say about me, I'm not fuckin' bored."
> > -johnny "Naked" by M. Leigh 1993
> >
> >
> > -muserna
> >
> > """""
> > ( 0 0) <- Ever seen a bucktooth dino with hair?
> > }. .{ Don't laugh, but you have now.
> > –uu-
> > `-' Goofy Dinos only at:
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~hairymuseum/gdotw
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> + sure it's barring in balls, n'est-ce pas ?
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
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>

o
[ + ]

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Dear fellows

Why not play it the en-gArde way ?

Select your ammo

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<body> </body>
<font> </font>
<form> </form>
<div> </div>
<table> </table>


Of course you may think the choice to be liminal yet keep in mind that div
also means miscellaneous

And of course it's playful and it hurts

Wishing you the best always (best french blood period win win solution)

jp - pavu.com Team
http://pavu.com
-/ upgrade your gino! paste it! /-






> On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, furtherfield wrote:
>
>> yep,
>>
>> your right - Muserna.
>>
>> marc
>>
>
> Cheap condescending copout +
> similarly as your response to 'my' post.
> Slighting + dismissing all valid points.
>
> No, I don't imagine that intelligence
> slots into your 'playful' 'debating'
> 'precocious-but-not-too-much' wallpaper
> room decorating which you call 'art'.
>
> HA!

YAWN…

I was just agreeing, but as usual you misunderstand. I don't even know why I
am bothering to talk to you,
because like you have laways done, you'll just shout and scream at me or
anyone else who does not agree with you like a spoilt little kid, everyone
knows this. You know this, you'll threaten to sue, to hurt, to kill - that's
the way you operate, like a little gangster, a thug…you have not learnt
how to treat people as an equal. Scared of mutual discussion, and it is on
those terms you feel wholly inadequate for some reason, which should be
sorted out. This is why you are attacking me in such a way, which - is -
wrong. Grow up and become something better that you are now…

best wishes from marc





>
> Cheap condescending copout +
> similarly as your response to 'my' post.
> Slighting + dismissing all valid points.
>
> No, I don't imagine that intelligence
> slots into your 'playful' 'debating'
> 'precocious-but-not-too-much' wallpaper
> room decorating which you call 'art'.
>
> HA!
>
> >
> > > on 8/17/02 8:43 PM, furtherfield [email protected] ecrit :
> > >
> > >
> > > > Let's get busy with debating in depth, plus having playful messages
that
> > are
> > > > (creative and imaginative) above using the word 'fuck' all the time.
> > >
> > > Let's just not get too creative…
> > > For example, Natalie Myers rediddling of my sig below, while
re-diddling
> > can
> > > be considered a type of ascii-art battling, I think she went over
board
> > with
> > > adding the words "FUCK YOU", and although it made me laugh, I was
> > instantly
> > > hit with the idea than maybe Natalie should take hire an ascii-art
tutor
> > > before she jumps into making "flash movie(s)"
> > >
> > > ,_, ,_, ,_, ,_, ,_,
> > > /| | /| | /| | /| | /| |
> > > ,__|||_F __ ___| /|U___ ___| /|C___ ___| /|K___ ___| |___, ,__||
|___,
> > > ,__|| |___, ,__|| |___, ,__|| |___,
> > > //|___ ___|
> > > |/Y_/| |__/ |/
> > >
> > > O___/| |__/ |/
> > >
> > > U___/| |__/ |/___/| |__/
> > > || | || | || | || | || |
> > > || | || | || | || | || |
> > > || | || | || | || | || |
> > > || | || | || | || | || |
> > > v.._.|| |i.v_.v.._.|| |i.v_._v.._.|| |i.v_._v.._.|| |i.v_._v.._.||
|i.v_._
> > >
> > >
> > > > It does get a bit boring, shit - even i'm getting bored with it…
> > >
> > > "Was I bored? No I wasn't fuckin' bored. I'm never bored. That's the
> > trouble
> > > with everybody - you're all so bored. You've had nature explained to
you
> > and
> > > you're bored with it. You've had the living body explained to you and
> > you're
> > > bored with it. You've had the universe explained to you and you're
bored
> > > with it. So now you just want cheap thrills and like plenty of 'em and
it
> > > dun't matter 'ow tawdry or vacuous they are as long as it's new, as
long
> > as
> > > it's new, as long as it flashes and fuckin' beeps in forty fuckin'
> > different
> > > colours. Well whatever else you can say about me, I'm not fuckin'
bored."
> > > -johnny "Naked" by M. Leigh 1993
> > >
> > >
> > > -muserna
> > >
> > > """""
> > > ( 0 0) <- Ever seen a bucktooth dino with hair?
> > > }. .{ Don't laugh, but you have now.
> > > –uu-
> > > `-' Goofy Dinos only at:
> > > http://home.earthlink.net/~hairymuseum/gdotw
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > + sure it's barring in balls, n'est-ce pas ?
> > -> post: [email protected]
> > -> questions: [email protected]
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > +
> > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >
>
> o
> [ + ]
>
> + + +
>
>
> | '|' |
> _________________________________________
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>
>

In a message dated 8/19/2002 1:34:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:


> You know this, you'll threaten to sue, to hurt, to kill - that's
> the way you operate, like a little gangster, a thug…you have not learnt
> how to treat people as an equal.

This thread is pretty hard to stomach.

Fairness and justice are moot, says one post-colonialist rationale, because
the justice is only an imposition of the stronger's rules. Foucault may well
have proved that there is no such thing as fairness or equality in relations:
all relations are raw power and the myth of "uncoerced communication" or
even a public sphere are only bourgeois fantasies.

To a great extent this is true. Habermas argued in favor of communicative
reason, and seemed to wish to justify himself against Foucault. H argued
that modernity came to a halt, remaining incomplete, because the public
sphere of the Enlightenment was false and/or partial because bourgeois power
depended on limitation of the public. The new merchant class had to
consolidate its powers by conceptual limits on what counted as a legitimate
voice, and the result was a definition of the property owner as the human as
such. Commercial humanism you could say. Habermas said this was a stunted
version of modernity.

My feeling in academia was that Foucault was the accepted winner of his
debate with Habermas. Habermas had some weak arguments, to be sure.
Foucault had weaknesses too however so I'm literally not sure who was right,
who was wrong, how/why, etc.

Foucault had the idea of the "aesthetic of self," that the self is a work of
art not nature. Habermas seemed to lack any response of his own to this, and
pointed at Adorno and Benjamin as possible sources of ideas. I always felt
that it was in the matters of aesthetic and self that H A and B lost out to
Foucault in the general collective brainworks. Adorno said we needed a
revolutionary reconciliation with nature but Habermas doubted Adorno's
abandonment of gradualism. Benjamin's rescuing critique (the salvific
gathering of expressive potential, which B viewed almost as a constant
quantity not subject to increase, from dead or ruined artifacts that once
held it) did not solve things for Habermas either. Habermas tried to
construe much of Postmodernism as Anti-modernism, but he lost the debate I
think.

Postmodernism disputes any privileging of any "reality" over any other, one
might wish to say. Edward Said characterized as "Orientalism" all attempts
to engage or locate the other of the non-West by Western practices of
subjectivity, a doomed project of monologism. The stronger or "master"
narrative could never, as Hegel thought, come to any non-coercive, equal, or
fair relation with the subaltern. Power can only reproduce itself upon the
weaker, never see or hear the weaker. This was the major debate when I
entered US academia in 1987 as a student, Allan Bloom conservatives vs.
Poststructuralist subversives.

I tried to sort through the situation but it all seemed a deadlock to me. I
saw or deluded myself that I saw weaknesses in both camps. I still think
that human behavior is in a horrific inertial freezedown. Either we get out
of the crash or we don't.

Porculus has told me that Foucault's work "is an ass-fuck," a statement which
I interpreted as a reference to Deleuze who said that our engagements with
dead famous books or writers is like non-reproductive sexual congress. I do
not mean to offend anyone with this reference. I think it is relevant and
certainly something I take seriously. I think it was BH who said that this
thread is mainly prison-sex talk, so that relates to the Panopticon and the
internalization of discipline Foucault diagnoses.

Foucault also said there is no such thing as peace, merely the implementation
of the winners' war-plan without resistance. MLK said that peace is not
merely the absence of war but the presence of some other/different form of
power. MLK's perspective is certainly influenced by Christianity, which may
render his talk total bullshit of the monologic sort. In fact, if one reads
MLK's later writings, those preceding his assassination, one can see his own
struggle with the ethic of peaceful protest and civil disobedience.

I myself wondered as I read the late MLK whether he had not come to recognize
the sole dominion of power in the processes of humanity. The civil-rights
movement of the 60's in the USA was not operating from the weakness of the
lamb only–the moral pressure of the weak upon the conscience of the
powerful–but from the eminently powerful stance of massive organized anger.
King was losing his faith that peaceful protest can work all necessary
wonders, and he knew the power of violence was both real and his to use if he
wished. Certainly the FBI worried about King's more offensive capabilities
as well as his "peaceful" ones. If the assassination was the work of a lone
nutcase there is no cause for concern, no need to abandon our illusions of
peaceful progress, but if King was killed by a rival government or political
interest it was probably out of fear of what King could do using the peaceful
as well as the violent means at his disposal.

Now, back to the matter at hand. I thought that Death@Zaphod was attacking
Raster Noton in a desperate fashion, via an accusation of falseness and
untruth on Ivan Pavlov's part. Accusations of being a liar are not
irrelevant in my opinion. If Pavlov is a sleazy liar, and someone says so,
I'm not sure that is illegitimate. After a certain point it is all one can
do. If Zaphod thinks that Pavlov is a sordid fake, Zaphod should not be
disliked for saying it. I mean, if that's what a person is or may be, why
not say it? There's no other way to say anything about the matter.

My sense was that Zaphod was a male academic throwing his weight around in a
basically petty manner. Now it appears that Zaphod is a female academic,
which perhaps ought not to matter, though it does mean that I was mistaken.
I have almost no idea who Zaphod is or what she does or thinks about things.
I have no idea what Raster Noton means musically or whether Ivan Pavlov is a
good music-artist or filthy ignorant pig. To say to Zaphod that I am the
Incredible Hulk and would like to challenge her is possibly a pure expression
of a body-mind disease from which I may or may not suffer. To imply that I
would or could organize some kind of interesting expressive confrontation
with her is in many ways the attitude of a pimp. Pimps say "do it my way
'cause it's great, I'll buy you some baubles, you are my slave however."

After all, my insinuation was that Zaphod was an insipid, desperate coward
that feared to compete. This is an imperialist insinuation, jingoistic,
coercive. It is one example of what many have called my hypocrisy regarding
vague and self-serving G2K methods, i.e. I claim everyone else should follow
them but I myself do or do not at my own whim. This should not be endearing
to anyone.

Foucault denied any special recognition of "communicative reason" or
intersubjectivity as qualitatively different within his theory of power
relations. He said that communication, or some ideal of connection or unity
among subjects, was a myth only and better described as "strategic games
between liberties." I guess Foucault is very skeptical of freedom as a
meaningful condition, and therefore of the idea of free subjects engaging in
discourse free from domination (Habermas's ideal but abandoned state of
expressive equality in a public sphere of communication).

Both of these characters, F & H, do not in my opinion adequately deal with
aesthetics and neuroscience. I find that depressing. It is also depressing
to hear Said objecting to Western narratization of the Israeli-Palestinian
conflict. How can one claim that the physical pain and death of humans is
"real," and that the grand stories propagated to make these deaths appear
necessary or tolerable "fake"? I simply do not see the grounds for any
objection to anything in such a system.

Let's assume that the Israeli representation of the Palestinian other is a
lie, fundamentally false. I think Said is saying that when power is unequal,
all representation is colonialistic. (Virilio's endo-colonization is quite
similar to Foucault's internalization of discipline, an internal/external way
of looking at the functioning of power.) Yet Foucault seems to deny even
the theoretical possibility of equal power, or an equality that transcends
power. I have always had trouble with Said for this reason. I do not know
that the aporia can be resolved or change. All human relations are power
only; how can such a claim be countered?

I agree that colonialism is based on a logic of the inferiority of the other,
or better, on a made-up story that the imperialists are helping the oppressed
become human. History is full of such lies, tales of moral right, intended
only to let power fulfill itself. Now Negri and Hardt are saying that there
is nothing left by way of power other than imperial capital. How much of
this is circular reasoning, self-fulfilling prophecy? It is almost trivial
to say that power has no use for any version of the human and seeks only its
own consolidation, under absolute blindness. I guess that story reminds me
of the story of Satan, pure self-absorption and greed, incapacity and
vengeance. Empire also is the story of the messiah however, something
better, different, beyond; something out of nothing you might say.

Maybe the whole F/H debate boils down to archaic babble. It is hard to know
what to read, what to believe. Blind acceptance IS a sign of stupid fools
who stand in line; i.e., Daedalus' approaching nearer but never reaching, a
fairy tale about the afterlife used to deaden awareness (wake up etc.). Then
there's the double-smack from Foucault that all subjectivity is constructed
only; what an arbitrary assumption! The human brain is genotypic and
phenotypic.

I've always been against Foucault. That's my choice. I have rejected his
theory of meaning without being able to disprove it. I have also decided
that Genius 2000 is the only way to confirm or even observe Adorno and
Benjamin's speculations, the only way I can see of doing it perhaps.

However if Zaphod is saying that knowing stuff is not what zen is about, I
agree. I believe in health and disease, but Foucault did not. I believe
that science has confirmed that sexual selection drove the evolution of human
cognition and we now live in a horrific state of inhumanity, a zoo, prison,
whatever, in which diseases of cognitive violence are driving history.
William Blake represented life in the prison of Reason as baboons in cages
raping and cannibalizing each other. I think maybe a similar vision of
horror drove Tolstoy and Kafka to ask that their works be destroyed before
they died.

I've tended to look at technology as the origin of the history of total
disease. I might be wrong of course but I've thought that "12 Monkeys" and
"The Matrix" are also about technology as disease. Foucault is a bit of a
horror-fiction yet he does back up his theory with observed events such as
the designation of homosexuality as insanity.

Max Herman

++

On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, ivan wrote:

> LOL, indeed… I am quite sure I have not reached the level of
> popularity where certain aspects of my life would become a subject to
> public discussion..

Nothing 'lol' about the situation. This is not your 'private'
life. You were told that you will be held responsible in public
should you fail to accomplish your task.


> However, a few friends wrote in asking me about the
> content and the nature of the post and,

A few friends?

> even though I am not
> participating in any of the forums, I decided to post my, hm.. fairly
> extensive, comments..

> >Parce que, we do not enjoy false propaganda.
> >
> This statement is a key to everything that follows.

No, it's not. It's a childish idiotic attempt to pre-empt in
a swooped gesture the comments which follow, which are extremely
precise and accurate.

> Such information I have no access to.

With regards to the sales of the record in question,
this is a lie. This information was confirmed by yourself
in the lobby of MUTEK 2000 at Excentris, in between raster-noton
performances–where I was invited as a guest of the festival by you
(even though not performing)–as well as expressed in numerous
personal correspondence.

> It must be coming from hacked raster-noton X files or something..

U-hu. Couldn't possibly be coming from the appropriate and fairly
trivial sources, as well as general familairity with Raster-Noton
distribution.


> Personally, I am not aware of any manufacturing problems,

Actually you are. And you spent hours bitching about it,
as well as complaining about it at MUTEK 2000 in front of a number
of performers present. You're simply attempting to cover your ass.

> neither do I know how many copies have been given out.

Again, a lie.

> I remember being properly paid by raster-noton and the
> payment was based on the aforementioned number of copies..

Not really. You have never been 'properly paid' by Raster-Noton.
But that is merely one of the idiotic games that Carsten NIcolai plays,
and one of many, including deliberately messing up your records
which again is evidenced in personal correspondence (in the least).

> Generally, I do not think record labels practice giving away their
> releases, particularly as the manufacture usually costs money.

An attempt to cover up reality by attempting to present a
plausible truth. Generally, record labels practice very widely
giving away their releases to promoters, industry magazines
and the likes, and this applies to an even greater degree to
Raster-Noton, who give way an even larger portion of their releases
to curators, galleries, musum junkies, etc. as Carsten Nocolai
doesn't care about record sales at all–only about his artistic
'career'.

> >There is no such thing as 'digital quality' when it comes to
> > digital recordings, unless what one scribbles is entirely flat.
> >
> That statement is bold and obvious, yet meaningless since it is taking
> the subject out of the context.

The meaning is neither 'bold' nor 'obvious'. And there is no
'contrasting' meaningless, nor is the statementtaking the subject
out of context. Digital quality is simply devoid of any meaning.
As is your above statement, which is a nice string of gibberish.


> The digital recording in question was
> originally released on vinyl,

After your insistent swearing up and down that it was
created for analogue medium, which caused Raster-Noton a great headache
in production, which delayed your record for 2 years.

Nor was the originalrecording intended for digital medium–
rather you were attempting to cash in on peddling a perceived
'warmness, humanity' etc. nonsense of the record.

> an essentially analogue medium which has
> certain limitations where stereo image is concerned.

Nothing which digital audio can overcome, as digital audio is
in essense a step downwards with regards to limitations
with regards to such matters.

> The mastering was done very professionally,

Hardly.

> yet the final result was a
> compromise in terms of sound, still. Hence my decision to release Mask
> Of Birth on CD.

Actually your decision to release the record on CD is a recent
development which has nothing to do with the above.

The opposite of what you attempt to claim below, you worked
under my direction and protection for mearly 2 years,
which ended rather unfortunately with your gwenwetic and psychic
destruction due to fear, inability to trust, idiotic
'male' power trips, slave-like idolatry of a couple of
pathetic wrecks (Coil) who have dabbled with affairs
magical as the idiotic simpletons that they are,
fucked themselbes over, and are now subject to something
thoroughly idiotic, which is at present consuming your life-force.


> >> Born in Russia, Ivan Pavlov lives and works in Sweden.

> Indeed, I do enjoy some obvious charms and freedoms of the Western
> lifestyle. Especially the freedom to travel.

The 'freedom to travel' is not one of those charms, as you're
stilla Russian citizen, and your freedom to 'travel' is the same
as that available to any other Russian, relatively. The finacial
ability to travel you get by being flown about by Western Art
Festivals and Grants, and it is precisely to these that you attempt
to peddle yourself as a Russian Avant-garde artist.

> As for the "artist support system", the notion is incorrect

Nothing incorrect dear. Your traveling tickets are paid
by the artist support system.

> - the Swedish system would not support
> me since I am a Russian citizen, the Russian system would not support me
> since I live in Sweden.

See above.

> Where the "giving back" to Sweden is concerned… yo, I am a
> disciplined tax-payer! :)

Hardly. The taxes get automatically deduced from your paycheck.
This is not what is being referred to anyways. What is being
referred to is your continuous attempts–to various degrees
of success to energetically use various 'Western' situations.


> Okay, in musical terms.. To defend my relationship with "the host" (!)

There has been no relationship with a 'host' though parasitism
and feeding you did attempt–for the duration of two years,
and you went to pathetic degrees of such, including resorting
to various forms of 'control magic', 'theft' attempts,
attempts to exploit push button mechanisms, attempts to force
energy drain, attempts to feed, attempts to find out my being's
real name and use it as a control mechanism, destructive resonance
magic against my essence, idiotic sexual control tricks etc.

Both you and your friends Coil were running around trying to kiss my ass
for the duration of those two years, meanwhile drooling over the amounts
of energy I have access to.

Nevermind your idiotic attempts to get at other people (like NN,
Genesis P-Orrige, and H30–people who actually know what are doing
and whom Coil, and Geff Rushton specifically are continuouously
attempting to ripoff, harrass, spread rumors about, and try various
idiotic attempts at magic at).

For those unaware: Coil are a couple of twits, involved with
late 70s, early 80s projects related to a particular genre
of performance art, music and magick initiated by Genesis P-Orrige
with his Performances with Cosey Fanni Tutti, and later on TG,
and the Temple ov Psychick Youth–all projects connected to
the particular 'subculture' around Bryon Gysin, William Burroughs,
a lot of developments in terms of Evolutionary exploration, etc.

> - I have been involved into organizing and running a club/society here
> in Stockholm (called The Nursery) to encourage and support experimental
> music, hm..

You're not involved in neither organizing nor running that club.
You belong to a group of individuals who are supposed to go to meetings
and do stuff, but you don't ever show up–and your 'contributions'
are making snide remarks about how stupid the organization is,
how they are all 'trying to be you'–and using the venue to bring
your 'friends' over when you can.

> whenever I am invited to perform here I play for free..

Certainly. And you pose around as an 'important musician'.

> I am in good contact with the local artists and we occasionally work
> together.

In good contact? Right. Mostly you talk trash behind their backs,
and smile to their faces because you think you can 'use' them.
I've listened to hours of your bashing the people involved in
various Swedish scenes, including, but not limited to respected
artists Leif Elfgreen and C. M. von Hauswolff (Krev Kings).

Nevermind your continuous posturing that every woman artist
who approaches you is doing so because she's dying to be fucked
by you, nad your pathetic treatment of them as if they are whores.

This applies specifically (just so that you don't try to deny it)
to Alex from Chicks on Speed, some woman Martha (?) or Iforget at this
point, a japanese girl performer who asked you to compose a piece
for her.

> Generally, I am not sure what qualifies for being a "Russian
> imperialist" these days. :)

And really this is not what I referred to as 'Russian Imperialism'.
Attempting to make yourself look like a 'nice and likable' guy is
a standard trick of yours. What I refer to is your idiotic Russian
nationalistic attitude, bashing and destruction of anything
'non-Russian' as well as your personal idology and involvement
with various Russian nationalistic groups as well as various forms
of nationalism-based 'magic'.

> >Actually Ivan has no more 'roots' as those were destroyed in a
> > 'working' he was involved in as my subject b/n 1999-2001,
> >
> "a working", "my subject"… hm..

> (I can not believe the subject line is
> "LOL#24"!)

And the above signifies what? a working, my subject–change of subject
in a pseudo-witty manner. Infact you were a voluntary subject to that
working dearest, one which was fairly dangerous to fuck around with,
because it included dismantling of your ego, destruction of your
genetic and cultural programming, energetic transmission, and
freedom for your being. Instead, you decided that you can 'steal power'
from me, and after having been sibject to two remote transfers of
energy to save you from your silly self-destructive behavior from
trying to 'destroy' my essence-Self–which by the way (for the general
audience) this person was indeed given a glimpse of, as per appropriate
work requirements,since I raised his energetic levels enough so he
may see, and make a conscious commitment to the working (which he has
later attempted to fraudulently misrepresent as some obsessive desire on
my part, and which in his ego-ridden narcissistic idiocy fancies as some
inability on my part to exist without his wonderful 'presence')–and
of which you are afraid, jealous and covetous of.


> Okay, I think this must be explained. I have, indeed, taken the author's
> graphic work to accompany my sound pieces on a couple of occasions.

No it doesn't. And the above is a lie. You stalked me for about 6 months
iterally begging to work with me. On agreement, one piece was made for
you which was published by source Research revordings, UK. Since,
the whole thing developed into a mad obsession on your part,
including daily mails that you cant live without me, calling up to say
that you'lljump from bridges to prove your love for me, and being in a
general state of delirium. In his defense, I have to say that my
presence when revealed does have these kind of effects on humans
which is hy I avoid doing it. To complicate matters, I work with
an incredible Being and the results of such work can be sensed
quite easily long-distance (as happened with Ivan) and who though that
this energy had to do with sexual attraction. On the couple of
occasions he's been to one of the studios / apartments where I work,
he's literally walked in to find the entire room filled with
high frequency electro-magnetic energy which is so dense that it
requires little psychic sensivility from the subjec to pick up.
This doesn't excuse his subsequent behavior however.

Onwards. After receiving the Netnork (sR) artwork for a compilation,
he requested a collaboration. He was told that in a collaboration he'd
have to follow orders from me, understand that the timing of my artwork
depends on factors not dependent on standard 'reality', and it must be
treated with the greatest care. He agreed. He also was told that I do
not do 'artwork' per se–and was told that there are certain important
aspects of what I do which must not be tampered with. The conditions
were that I will give him the artwork as I see fit, when Isee fit, and
it will be published exactly to my specifications. He accepted these
conditions more than gladly, which was followed by a year and a half
of intense work, most of which was not 'registered' in public, but
his output was entirely a result of such collaboration, and most
of his live appearances were in his owm word 'played for me'.

This includes but is not limited to:
Netmork Compilation Appearance
Underwood Compilation Appearance
Iron CD Full Length Ltd. Edition & Normal Edition
OACIS CDEP which is an interpretation of one of
my drawings with modified vocals provided by me
OACIS CDEP Ring
Fur. Elise Installation
falsc cinematic soundtrack
Netmork Full Length CD
CXC (Oswald Berthold) wavetrap CD

Including also not insignificant assistance with other
materials with regards to the handling of his label.

The above spans most of his output up to date excluding material
released with Coil, one record dedicated to his first child

Far from being the 'slightly' affair you present this as,
reality is ptherwise, and knowing the particular habit of humans
to wiggle about, I've made sure the physical evidence is there.
I have multiple objects demonstrating otherwise, including
personal correspondence of your whining that 'I cannot do it,
I am too old' ' I am looking at a big black void and I cannot make it'
(state of human about to enter state of sorcerer flight–yes
that very thing that zen masters and shamans can do)
etc. etc.

Not this one though. This one decided to 'teach me a lesson about
how I'm human' and that 'i'm wrong' so he crippled himself to spite me,
fell flat on his face, destroyed himself genetically (and that
spreads to his entire genetic tree)–all the while thinking that
he's doing that to 'me'.

Seeing what happened to him (destruction of core, 'decapitation'
of the connection with his intent, and the appropriation of his soul
by something utterly revolting) was indeed quite a shock, as I had
no idea something so (lack of words) is actually a possibility even,
least of all a power that lies within my capabilities.

Nevertheless the moron interpreted my state as some sort of
'triumph' on his part and took it upon himself to beat himself in the
chest, go to the extent of thinking that his 'magick trick' has worked
and he can order me around to do whatever he pleases (one of the
attempts was that of zombie-fication). He went to the extent of
attempting to claim in public co-authorship of the artwork for the
Netmork record, and when failed ran around spreading rumors that I ma
'evil' have attempted to remove his penis, am a nazi, have commited
the mistake of ALL GREAT MEN (did they allcommitr one mistake)?
Nevermind that he's never beenin the vicinity of a 'great man' etc.

Chimes in oswald berthold from FM who psychs Ivan up and tells him
I am NN.

This was a person thorpoughly fucked in the head by everyone surrounding
him fully exploiting his fear, impressionability and being asleep.

The reality of the matter is that I was told by 'his intent' that
he had a year and 8 months to live before this is to happen,
and the basis of the collaboraryion was merely an attempt to
awake him and strengthen him before the onslaught.

His failure to listen lead to the results I was shown.

My leaving the situation was documented in an ad published
in Wire (prof muzak magazine in the uk) in March. He claimed
leaving himself in April. The part of the working that concerned
'me' was liberation of another spirit, as well as reception
of my Will, which was successful.

In part, the series of posts in the past few months are
a result of the above affair (dicharaging initiatory energies
which would otherwise cause disease to my physical body)
as well as my balancing myself out in terms of knowing
what I due to my lack of necessary evolution yet perceive
this destructive aspects of 'my' power (or finally received
'sword) as rather 'shocking' vs. being among humans,
and being aware of the harmful aspects of their habits.


> For this work I had paid the author half of my share, which I find fair.

No, you didn't. You paid only for the original netmork piece.
payment for the rest was not requested from you until the very end,
for Oswald Bethold's record, which is the real reason why you
pretended that the artowork is unacceptable, and also claiming
that I am trying to 'bankrupt your label'.

The fee requested was 270USD.

> Unfortunately, I had the mistake of inviting the author to make cover
> art for two albums, one of them being a COH record. The author had
> procrastinated both works for about one year each

Hardly. The agreement for netmork CD full length was that it is to be
released in a year from the compilation release (in spring 2002).
The artwork was delivered to you on time.

Nor did I procrastinate the CXC / Oswald Berthold release.
The person failedto get in touch with me for most of the time,
excusing himself with travel performances etc. The actual creation
of the artwork after meaningful contact was established was 2 1/2 mo.
More in line, you were throwing a fit because you were demanding
to be made privy and involved in a process which involved only
Oswald Berthold and I (him being the music creator nad me the author
of the artwork). Idiotically enough you started attempting
to force your ideas both on CXC and on I due to being a 'grand
benefactor of a label'.

> and the final result
> was below any expectations: i.e. I found both works terribly lacking in
> connection with the music

Rather the opposite. You were more than happy with the Netmork
artwork–and your reaction to it in private correspondence is
demonstrable–as well as your subsequent announcements of its
release on favrious forums. Where your 'dissatisfaction'
came through was that you wanted co-authorship of the artwork,
even though you had no part in creating it at all.
What's more you went around telling the label owner that you
were in act a co-author. You threw an idiotic fit in front of him
and I, stated that you're going to 'make the label' release
of the artowork separate from the CD (really a smart adventure
for a music label), release the artwork but with a card accompannying
it saying that 'you don't approve of it', and finally when that
failed as well started claiming that I have 'political agendas'.

What you fail to realize that the artwork shown to you, was never
intended for you. Since August the previous year you had been involved
in various attempts at idiotic 'magick' tricks upon my being
with your 'evil' 'friends' Coil–and I had no intention of imvolving
you in any aspect of Work longer than my promise to your soul
requires.

The Oswald Bethold artwork the person was happy with (indicated
in personal correspondence with), you simply wanted to stick your nose
in the collaboration. It was simply not allowed.


> as well as generally inconsistent and uninteresting.

The artwork was neither 'inconsistent' nor 'uniteresting'
and your laudatory commentaries with the presentation
can be made easily available.

My artwork is in fact so 'uninteresting' that youve stolen
a number of my pieces from my studio, and are refusing their return.

> Therefore I took the decision to reject them both..

You rejected them as the final stage of an idiotic
ape whose egho bloated out of control.
Having failed to control me or hurt me inany way for 2 years,
you simply wanted to feel like 'the man'
and starteds making ridiculous requests.
That's all.

Meanwhile you continued sending me private correspondence
about how 'hot your sex life with your wife' is.
As if that is any of my concern.


> might
> have to do something with my "imperialistic roots", I reckon!

No, not really. Hasn't got anything to do with the above,
and yourattempts to make a 'humorous' and 'slight' affair air
inapplicale and idiotic.

Your involvement with russian nationalistic organizations
is thoroughly not applicable.


> I understand that one's qualification can be seen from different angles.

No, it can't. avoid attempting to set yourself up
for 'it's a matter of viewpoints'.

> I have studied acoustics and sound propagation for 15 years, of which 9
> years in Russia.

No, dearest. You've studied it for far less than 9 years in Russia
, and certainly not 6 in Sweden–you procrastinated your degree
for a few years, and never finished it, really.

This by the way is allin industrial environments,
and has little to do with accoustics as engineering,
as well as its applicability in sound synthesis.

In fact, you haven't done ANY work with regards to sound synthesis,
as for your 'engineering' capabilities–that's why you can't
master your own CDs, and both you and Geff Rushton had to wait like the
incompetents that you are for Peter Christopherson to be 'free'
so you may use recording equipment to record the Love Uncut EP.

Neither you, nor him, have a clue how to use anything.
In your case, your expertise amounts to SoundForge (?)
and a burning propgram or two on a laptop / old desktop.
Which is fine really, but you're not what you claim
nor involved in 'sound synthesis'-

> I quit working in science a couple of years ago, having
> completed a Licentiate degree (which is about half way to Ph.D.)
> Published copies of my Lic thesis I had, indeed, given/sent to a number
> of people I know.. for fun, really. The work is largely theoretical and
> quite simple as it deals with a classical problem of diffraction of a
> spherical wave against half-plane with varying edge profile.. Which can
> have potential applications in screening of traffic noise. In Russia I
> have been working with substantially different and way more interesting
> subjects and was invited to Sweden as a "qualified acoustic researcher"
> to participate in one of the projects here.

No, dear. A friend of yours got in the University program there
and saw an opportunity to bring you over. I'm sure that's
not how it was 'written on papers'.


> >Furthermore, he did not finish his Ph.D–ie again–he's not 'qualified'
> > as he dropped out of the University program upon my very strong
> > recommendation for him to do so.
> >
> This statement is nonsense in its purest form, the author seems
> overwhelmed with self-importance.

It is completely not nonsense. Nor is there any self-impoetance
involved. You were a willing subject to my work. Shall I remind you?
Sunny day.. I'd rather sit on the grass and talk to you.. (gave up
his degree). Do I HAVE to repost this in public? I hope not.

> I have no problem with being lazy, as long as I can afford being that.

Being a psychic leech is the laziness I refer to.

> I make music when I have the time and the urge.

Not quite. You make it on weekends for the most part.
Otherwise you're too busy with your job, family, and 2 children.
Your exaggerated 'frivolousness' and 'freedom' doesn't exist.
Not only that, but you do it occasionally, every once in a while,
typically under the influence of other stuff youve heard.
It's hardly qualifiable as 'composing', synthesis,
nor does it have anything to do with Russian Avant Garde.

> My selection of software is currently limited to three different pieces.
> I am using a Pentium 100 PC. I am familiar with Sound Synthesis to the
> extent where I can say that the area is far larger that what relates to computer software.

Sure is.

> I can not say I am an expert in Russian avant-garde.

Nobody is questioning your expertise.
Yoiu're simply claiming association with something
you have no connection to–because it's fashionable
and saleable to 'art circles'.

> Again, how many can?

Somehow this relates to you?

> Taken that the large part of the collection is still stored in the
> backrooms of the Russian Art Museum in St. Petersburg..

There are ways of accessing that.

> I do find it exciting that there is people interested in what I do. I
> have been making music with computer since about 1991 and never thought
> anyone would bother.. It was a big surprise when people showed interest,
> indeed.

Yes, and that was many years ago. Since then, you've
done little but pose about as 'an important russian composer'.
And you are continuing to do so. Don't say–it's 'ironic'.

> I do not think of my audience as stupid.

Yes you do. And on multiple occasions Ive had to listen
toyour rants about 'stupid Americans', how americans are incapable
of understanding culture, and russian culture in particular,
how they should 'shur up about tarkovsky's films because nobody
but russians' canunderstand them, etc.

> Somehow, I do not think of my audience at all.

Attempting false sincerity does not suit you well.

> Unlike in public forums,

Unlike in pubic forums?

> in music, when one begins to think of how people will listen to what one
> does - it is the end. Or so I believe.

Um, non-attachment and detachment inany 'forums' has been practiced
by many for millennia. The above is simple drivel.
Secondly, you're attempting to present 'music' as a non-public
forum, and subsequently you abrigate yourself of responsibility
about the trash you release (specifically to Coil related
releases, and specifically to the attempted magick idiocy
against me with the Love Uncut Ep).


> As for MEGO, I believe anyone who is familiar with their output knows
> how diverse is their catalogue

MEGO's catalogue is hardky diverse.

> and that they are far from being
> concentrated specifically on computer music.

Right.

> The record is not inspired by the sound, but by the attitude. I also
> believe, when one operates with words like "rip-off", references to
> specific sources that had been ripped off must be provided.


You may believe whatever you please. your releases are largely that:
mask of Birth: disco rip-off
iron: directly from iron maiden and hmm acd/dc and other 80s stupid
metal
oacis boxset: genesis p-orrige
seasons CD : tchaikovsky
enter/vox tinnitus: coil's work

> The author being 8-9 years younger than myself

I am hardly 8-9 years younger than you.

> (and a female!),

Nor am I female.

> it is
> quite possible and even likely that my energy levels seem low from the
> heights of hers.

Hardly. Your lack of energy is attributable to your idiotic
'magick' fucking around, and attempts to feed onmy energy.
Your friends Coil on the other hand 'saw' a perfect opportunity
to attempt a working based on Crowley's Paris working
which left his victim a drooling zombie. Due to my
protection of you, a drooling zombie you are not,
however your spiritis destroyed, and your essence-energy
is being slowly sapped away into oblivion.
A process which willcontinue fora LONG time after your death,
and during which you will not have the benefits of putting yourself
to sleep inthe 'maya' of physical reality.

I find this not in the least bit funny.
Even though my part of the Work was completed
successfully and I received what I was after,
seeing what was done to you is really the only
hair-raising experience I've had throughout my existence
and it's taken me a great deal of work to undo
the connection between you and absolute reality
which Ihave created for you, as well as finish
otheraspects that need to be done.

Nor do I find the notion that by your action you destroyed
the possibility for conscious evolution of your entire
genetic line in the least bit 'humorous'.

The writing of this e-mailis the closing of this work.

> As for ripping off of "actual/real" artists, without
> specific references the notion makes no sense, again.

It certainly does.

> According to the author, "the person" i.e. myself got "broken" through
> being "a subject" at "a working" together with her "b/n" 1999-2000.

April 2001. And it isnt according to me.

> Mask
> Of Birth had been recorded back in 1997-98, prior to any contact with
> the author, which means it is quite safe in terms of "psychik damage to
> users"! :)

Very much so. There were no claims with specific regards to that record.

> >Pretentious twit, fraud, and opportunist who wouldn't make it
> > as a low-level musician in Russia actually–but he enjoys flaunting his
> > 'Russianness* to con people.
> >
> Equipped with this sentence and a good American lawyer, I could have
> probably squeezed out some alchemical gold from the base matter of the
> whole message! :)

Not really. You couldn't 'squeeze' anything out for the above statement
with any lawyer.


> Low-level… Music is my hobby and I want it to be that way, even though
> I could be doing it differently. I am Russian, which I have no problem
> with. Maybe we have different understanding of our cultural background?


> In all cases, the author is likely to spread more of the made-up
> nonsense

There is hardly any made up nonsense.
The artwork is out there and released.
So are the Magazines, and the credits on raster-noton's website.
So is your private correspondence to me.

> in attempt to attract more attention to her deliriously witty
> self.

I am neither trying to attract attention, nor deliriously witty.
I am simply closing up what is to be finished.

> I sincerely hope her posts remain as entertaining in that yellow
> paper sense..

There is nothing 'yellow paper' about what I write dearest.
On the other hand, your making up idiocy about my identity–
that's quite something. maybe you should check your head
among all of that *io pan' dyonissian magick.

> I consider having made myself clear and will not participate any further
> in any of the discussion.

Hardly. Youve attempted the typical to you
tricks.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42