3D Holographic projectors?

Dirk Vekemans wrote:

> Hi all,
> Anybody have any idea what these things
> (http://www.io2technology.com/)
> cost?

it looks to me that the company is still in the start
up phase, i checked some of the listed retailers and nobody
had their products on stock. it seems you have to call
them for a price. let us know what it is if you do so…

however as i understood their page they are not selling a
3D Holographic projector, but a transparent 2D touch screen.

if you want something of the princess leia type then
i would say a head mounted 3D display comes probably closest to that.
there are also 3D screens, where you need no head mount
or glasses but well you cant walk around them.
and if you look for the classic holography (interference
with light beams) in connection with video then this seems
to be even more rare.
at east the last -more or less recent- project i heard of in that
direction was this one:
http://www.trnmag.com/Stories/2003/032603/3D_holo_video_arrives_032603.html
or
http://innovation.swmed.edu/research/instrumentation/res_inst_dev3d.html

but may be someone knows about some other recent project
in "classical" holography and video - would be interesting to hear!

> If anything exists already that could project in open-air?
> I was thinking it would be nice if some group/org could make these
> things
> available, have us propose projects for them to periodically show them
> in
> major cities (NY, Melbourne, Paris, Bagdad, London, Bejing, Alken) or
> travelling art shows.

.if you include berlin into this list than i think this is a
good idea (…just joking…:-))


nad

> at east the last -more or less recent- project i heard of in
> that direction was this one:
> http://www.trnmag.com/Stories/2003/032603/3D_holo_video_arrive
> s_032603.html
> or
> http://innovation.swmed.edu/research/instrumentation/res_inst_
> dev3d.html
>
> but may be someone knows about some other recent project in
> "classical" holography and video - would be interesting to hear!
>
> > If anything exists already that could project in open-air?
> > I was thinking it would be nice if some group/org could make these
> > things available, have us propose projects for them to periodically
> > show them in major cities (NY, Melbourne, Paris, Bagdad, London,
> > Bejing, Alken) or travelling art shows.
>
> .if you include berlin into this list than i think this is a
> good idea (…just joking…:-))
>
>
> nad

Thanks for the links Nad. Looks like much still needs to drizzle down from
the military, things being what they are.
I was joking a bit too,suspecting the technology would be extremely
expensive still, but i'd really consider doing something with the emergent
technology if i could lay my hands on something that could generate
something of the princess leia type. No need to walk around it, it would
only have to give the illusion of something substantial *unframed* by any
screen.

So perhaps what i want is possible?
Now a few months ago i saw some Sony CEO deliver a speech to an audience
indoor on television. Apparantly it was taped and delivered by holographic
projection in a convincing way and the sony people were ofcourse equally
convincing in claiming it to be the next revolution in projection
technology.

The project i have in mind would need to project a convincing image of a
cathedral structure rising above a flat-roofed building some 3 meters above
street level. It would have to be convincing if you walk past it from the
street below so the view angle could be restricted to some 100 degrees.The
image itself would need to be 3x3x1 m. I would prefer being able to mix a
static 3d image of the cathedral with some close-to-real-time generated
images, but a simple static image would do too i suppose. The one thing it
can't have is having screens visible, not even during daytime. Part of the
meaning/poetry of the project would be for the image to gradually visualise
as it gets dark, have rain drizzle through it etc. On the street level the
project would include 10 'regular' video screens on a wall showing
interactive net-content (the text of complaints/prayers submitted by users
worldwide to the Cathedral mixed with updating images of human attrocities,
natural disasters and statistics on our deteriorating global condition- in
short a kind of wall of complaints like the one in Jerusalem but a bit more,
er, explicit is the word i think).

It would have to be in some totally unknown place, like the suburbian part
of Belgium i live in, but i'd happily lend the cathedral to anyone able to
get it done somewhere else. I just thought it'd be nice to use emergent tech
and spend some big money to focus on what's really happening. Don't think
you could walk past it and not get the idea that something needs to be done,
your life needed to change like mr rilke is quoted as saying in another
discussion here.

Mr rilke by the way did change his life: he left his wife and child in
misery and turned to rich lady patrons at the riviera coast to enable him to
write more of his high-spirited idealistic & historically over-rated crappy
semi-fascist nonsense.

Sorry, needed to get that off my chest. The Picot work is nice enough and
thoughtfully made, i just can't stand the r-guy and all he stands for in my
imagination.

Thanks again, Nad
dv



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>
> So perhaps what i want is possible?
> Now a few months ago i saw some Sony CEO deliver a speech to an
> audience
> indoor on television. Apparantly it was taped and delivered by
> holographic
> projection in a convincing way and the sony people were ofcourse
> equally
> convincing in claiming it to be the next revolution in projection
> technology.

i dont know what they did there, but i assume they used a
special screen. are you sure that it was really a holographic
projection or just a 3D projection?

>
> The project i have in mind would need to project a convincing image of
> a
> cathedral structure rising above a flat-roofed building some 3 meters
> above
> street level. It would have to be convincing if you walk past it from
> the
> street below so the view angle could be restricted to some 100
> degrees.The
> image itself would need to be 3x3x1 m. I would prefer being able to
> mix a
> static 3d image of the cathedral with some close-to-real-time
> generated
> images, but a simple static image would do too i suppose. The one
> thing it
> can't have is having screens visible, not even during daytime. Part of
> the
> meaning/poetry of the project would be for the image to gradually
> visualise
> as it gets dark, have rain drizzle through it etc. On the street level
> the
> project would include 10 'regular' video screens on a wall showing
> interactive net-content (the text of complaints/prayers submitted by
> users
> worldwide to the Cathedral mixed with updating images of human
> attrocities,
> natural disasters and statistics on our deteriorating global
> condition- in
> short a kind of wall of complaints like the one in Jerusalem but a bit
> more,
> er, explicit is the word i think).
>
> It would have to be in some totally unknown place, like the suburbian
> part
> of Belgium i live in, but i'd happily lend the cathedral to anyone
> able to
> get it done somewhere else. I just thought it'd be nice to use
> emergent tech
> and spend some big money to focus on what's really happening. Don't
> think
> you could walk past it and not get the idea that something needs to be
> done,
> your life needed to change like mr rilke is quoted as saying in
> another
> discussion here.
>

why a cathedral? do you want the vatican to fund your project? :-)
you could need that. :-)
it seems to me very expensive to realize what you have in mind.
however in principle i could imagine that the project is
technically realizable in part - but i think it won't go
without a screen. there are projects where people try to
illuminate dust particles etc. in
order to get a 3D image, but all what i saw sofar was not very
convincing. it needs just enormous computing power, since you have
to trace the particles. or you have a grid, which is almost
like a screen.


but you could have a screen which is not so apparent in terms
of material, like transparent (may be acrylic) glas. i could
imagine that one etches (or uses a mechanical process) the
glass in such a way that it can be
used as a background for a 3D projection. may be its enough
to put on a structured plastic foil.
3D LCD panels work in a similar fashion as the typical 3D postcards
you can buy everywhere. i.e. there are two images interlaced in
stripes and plastic lenses are focusing them in such a way that
each eye sees only one picture - thats how you get the 3D information.
i imagine that the same is possible for the projection, but i
do not know of any companies this would need some research.
or may be someone of the rhizome community knows?

a much cheaper variant would be to use a laser light show, where
the laser beams are tracing out the building in a very sketchy
fashion. i would like that actually better because it would
dematerialize the cathedral or house and put an emphasis
on its functioning as a shed
and in the case of a cathedral may be also as being a symbol of a
link to "higher forces" or whatever. and you would get away
a bit from the christian iconography.

however i have to add that on a personal level
i wouldnt like to have my personal
comlaints and grieves being displayed openly on a videoscreen
in a belgium suburb….

nad

> i dont know what they did there, but i assume they used a
> special screen. are you sure that it was really a holographic
> projection or just a 3D projection?

I'm not sure, i only caught a glimps of it, the kids were making lots of
noise :-), it may have been something similar to these:
http://www.laser-magic.com/transscreen.html


>
> why a cathedral?

Not a cathedral, the Cathedral of erotic Misery cfr. my Schwitters-inspired
project at www.vilt.net . Don't think the Vatican will go for it ;-)
What i want to project is a considerably enlarged 3d image of the wooden
statue i have made of the Cathedral. The statue itself is only 19x25x7 cm
see http://www.vilt.net/nkdee/data/photo/fo_print.jpg but i want it visible
and floating in mid air some 3 meters high, it can be flickering, affected
by outdoor conditions or look unreal otherwise it only needs to create an
illusion of something being up there and the statue should be recognisable.
I would only start off a time sequence of projection when some user input
whas recorded, either through the internet or at the wall downstairs.


> a much cheaper variant would be to use a laser light show,
> where the laser beams are tracing out the building in a very
> sketchy fashion. i would like that actually better because it
> would dematerialize the cathedral or house and put an
> emphasis on its functioning as a shed and in the case of a
> cathedral may be also as being a symbol of a link to "higher
> forces" or whatever. and you would get away a bit from the
> christian iconography.
I would like to start with the cheapest solution available and gradually
make it look more convincing, in other versions of the set-up that would be
restricted to indoor installations.

Someone else mailed me privately she saw something like this being done in
the eighties, so i guess that might have been a laser projection. Do you or
anyone else know what quality of image such techniques might be capable of
in outdoor conditions? Or whether you could have the static 3d input mixed
with other input like words or part of words going through it, whether you
could fade in/out inputs and overlap them in time?

> however i have to add that on a personal level i wouldnt like
> to have my personal comlaints and grieves being displayed
> openly on a videoscreen in a belgium suburb….

Oh i don't know about that. When the New Orleans disaster was happening, for
instance, people were very eager to file their complaints/griefs on several
blogs. People need a place to speak to/of their griefs when everything else
lets them down.
The system would need to be very respectfull for people, it will be a
difficult exercise to work out the details so that it would be ethically
right as well as aesthetically. You'd need to turn the news upside down for
instance, giving more attention to world regions where people won't be able
to get the attention other regions get at the slightest incident.Those
people would ofcourse not be able to file any complaint. So in a first
phase i would start collecting short impressions from field workers and use
those as inputs. Very personal griefs, the love-gone-bad and personal
tragedy type and some blatantly egocentric complaints by people living in
wealthy conditions would play their part too, but the system would need to
frame those in a global perspective.
So ofcourse the system would not simply be sending in a complaint or a
text on personal grief and than that being projected on a video wall. The
Cathedral would give some feedback, take the form of a web service with a
chatbot attached, a bit like ELIZA. The user would get personalised respons
privately, her complaint would be added to a dynamic complaint profile and
that would in turn influence the Cathedral's global respons ever so
slightly. So it would not be a Q&A type of conversation, more a continuous
monologue of the Cathedral service influenced by and responding to some
filtered elements from the user input. It would need to be very clear that a
machinic process is taking up your personal affairs in a visualisation of an
abstraction of global grief. People would need to be aware that *they* are
making the Cathedral happen the way it does.

It could be done, less expensively, as pure (virtual if you want but i
think that's a bad word) net.art too, but that would be missing out on the
'materialising' part of the project as it already is taking its form in
things like paintings and satues and the like.

Thanks,
dv
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Hello Dirk,
>
> Someone else mailed me privately she saw something like this being done in
> the eighties, so i guess that might have been a laser projection. Do you
> or
> anyone else know what quality of image such techniques might be capable of
> in outdoor conditions? Or whether you could have the static 3d input mixed
> with other input like words or part of words going through it, whether you
> could fade in/out inputs and overlap them in time?
>

Yes, I saw the castle of the "Facteur Cheval"
(http://www.aricie.fr/facteur-cheval/) as holography in the XVI Sao Paulo
Bienalle, 1981. The exhibition of this castle was part of the "Outsider Art
Exhibition", one of the manifestations of the XVI bienalle, curated by
Victor Musgrave. I have the catalogue of this part of the bienalle with me,
but unfortunatelly it does not show a photo of the holography and also it
does not have any text about it. However I remember that there were
projectors that seemed to be lasers to make the 3d light image, which was
not so big but completely astonishing for me. Perhaps someone else in this
list visited the XVI Sao Paulo bienalle and should give you better
information than me.

I imagine that your catedral could use the same process because also it is
an architecture.

I hope you get it!

Regina Celia Pinto

http://arteonline.arq.br/
http://arteonline.arq.br/library.htm

New Works:

http://arteonline.arq.br/magic_walls/
http://arteonline.arq.br/eva/
http://arteonline.arq.br/ducks/

Dirk Vekemans wrote:

>
> > i dont know what they did there, but i assume they used a
> > special screen. are you sure that it was really a holographic
> > projection or just a 3D projection?
>
> I'm not sure, i only caught a glimps of it, the kids were making lots
> of
> noise :-), it may have been something similar to these:
> http://www.laser-magic.com/transscreen.html
>
>
with 3D projection i mean something where you have to wear
glasses in order to see 3D. the above link is of that kind.
its just a transparent foil on which you can project something.
it preserves the polarization of light so you can watch
3D with glasses, like in a cave-like environment.
with 3D LCD Screens you dont need glasses for viewing 3D.
i guess the sony thing was rather something like a 3D LCD.


> >
> > why a cathedral?
>
> Not a cathedral, th� Cathedral of erotic Misery cfr. my
> Schwitters-inspired
> project at www.vilt.net . Don't think the Vatican will go for it ;-)

..probably :-) :-)

also doesnt look like too much christian iconography
was put into it :-) :-)



> What i want to project is a considerably enlarged 3d image of the
> wooden
> statue i have made of the Cathedral. The statue itself is only 19x25x7
> cm
> see http://www.vilt.net/nkdee/data/photo/fo_print.jpg but i want it
> visible
> and floating in mid air some 3 meters high, it can be flickering,
> affected
> by outdoor conditions or look unreal otherwise it only needs to create
> an
> illusion of something being up there and the statue should be
> recognisable.
> I would only start off a time sequence of projection when some user
> input
> whas recorded, either through the internet or at the wall downstairs.
>
>
> > a much cheaper variant would be to use a laser light show,
> > where the laser beams are tracing out the building in a very
> > sketchy fashion. i would like that actually better because it
> > would dematerialize the cathedral or house and put an
> > emphasis on its functioning as a shed and in the case of a
> > cathedral may be also as being a symbol of a link to "higher
> > forces" or whatever. and you would get away a bit from the
> > christian iconography.
> I would like to start with the cheapest solution available and
> gradually
> make it look more convincing, in other versions of the set-up that
> would be
> restricted to indoor installations.
>
> Someone else mailed me privately she saw something like this being
> done in
> the eighties, so i guess that might have been a laser projection. Do
> you or
> anyone else know what quality of image such techniques might be
> capable of
> in outdoor conditions? Or whether you could have the static 3d input
> mixed
> with other input like words or part of words going through it, whether
> you
> could fade in/out inputs and overlap them in time?
>

you can do a lot of nice stuff with laser lights, but you cant
get a halfway realistic 3D copy of your work. laser light shows
make basically 3D light sculptures with light rays.
In particular this means that the light emanates from a source
(the laser) and then goes to "infinity" unless there is something
in its way. so your cathedral would have to look differently.

they have these light shows often in discoteques or cinemas,
which means also that they are more or less in the price range of
consumer electronics.
there are also artists which work with them.
may be there is someone in the rhizome community???


> > however i have to add that on a personal level i wouldnt like
> > to have my personal comlaints and grieves being displayed
> > openly on a videoscreen in a belgium suburb….
>
> Oh i don't know about that. When the New Orleans disaster was
> happening, for
> instance, people were very eager to file their complaints/griefs on
> several
> blogs. People need a place to speak to/of their griefs when everything
> else
> lets them down.

ok i got it. but i think this is a bit different from the letters in
the wailing wall, but may be i am wrong.

what will happen to all your collected data? (i always wondered
what happens to all those letters in the wailing wall, like when
they fall down or when they get washed out etc.)

>
> It could be done, less expensively, as pure (virtual if you want but
> i
> think that's a bad word) net.art too, but that would be missing out on
> the
> 'materialising' part of the project as it already is taking its form
> in
> things like paintings and satues and the like.
>

..making a light sculpture is not really "materializing"…. :-)

but in short: what i understood, what you have in mind is not
yet FULLY realizable in terms of todays technology (at least
thats what i think…) but probably it will be
realizable in a few years. i think there is a technological jump
taking place right now.

nad

> Dirk Vekemans wrote:
>> it may have been something similar to these:
> > http://www.laser-magic.com/transscreen.html
> >
> >
> with 3D projection i mean something where you have to wear
> glasses in order to see 3D. the above link is of that kind.

Don't know Nad, but they specifically claim you don't need glasses on the
page…
I know a guy from the old days who's doing club & disco decoration now, i'll
ask him. I'll report here,to whom it may concern. i guess much of the
recent affordable/experimental high tech makes it to the club scene first,
haven't been there for some time. I think the man 'did' a club in Berlin
too, don't ask me which.


>
> also doesnt look like too much christian iconography was put
> into it :-) :-)
>
All icons are garbage of human consciousness, so yes Christian iconography
can and has become part of the Cathedral food chain at times. As author of
the thing, i'm not supposed to discriminate (it is mentioned somewhere in
the infinite text of the First Rule that also states the author should not
mention the Cathedral publicly without mentioning the First Rule because
that is supposed to make people curious about the Second Rule and hence
create some pressure to finish the writing of the First Rule). Oops , i
guess i just blew it for IBM to sponsor me.
>
> >[snap]

> they have these light shows often in discoteques or cinemas,
> which means also that they are more or less in the price range of
> consumer electronics.
> there are also artists which work with them.
> may be there is someone in the rhizome community???

Is there?


>
> ok i got it. but i think this is a bit different from the letters in
> the wailing wall, but may be i am wrong.
>
Thanks , i was looking for the correct word in English, all day, should have
tried a dictionary or google propably. But then i would have run the risk of
reading too much about it and not using my private perception of it, which
is probably wrong in many ways but i want to accept such content as it came
to me. My project deals with the way meaning gets 'built up'in the process
of living more than with meaning as a deliberate construct to engage
reality.

So sure it's different. You wouldn't want to offend anything or anyone by
trying to build a replica with some high tech to make up for the lack of
content. In spite of my irony i have a deep respect for genuine religious
feelings and the way they are transcoded to functional icons like the
Wailing wall.

> what will happen to all your collected data? (i always wondered
> what happens to all those letters in the wailing wall, like when
> they fall down or when they get washed out etc.)
>

Then again some similarities may become apparent. There just aren't a
million ways to go about giving answers to the same needs. In my view, the
Wailing Wall functions the way it does because the messages/prayers/wails
are garbaged by that system, but the garbaging doesn't necessarily mean the
end of the message, the message is probably within the act of writing and
given a correct ontology that act is eternal. On a symbolic level, as one
would be expected to call it- i would prefer to call it a virtual plane of
consistency, all the material bits in the process, writing it down, putting
the paper in the wall, allowing it to wither away, are all necessary parts
of the 'vinculum' that is being created by each instance of writing.The term
vinculum comes from Leibniz as interpreted by Deleuze and denotes a linking
process between monadic forms of becoming. Similarly, and more easy to
comprehend, you don't need to belief in a Protestant God to accept the
reality of Bach's Passions, there are very few, if any notes in those
compositions that aren't real. Any jazz musician would go yeah and nod
humbly at each note, i think. In that way 'artistic reality' is ruled by
equally stringent determination as is pure science.

What would be unreal about the Wailing Wall is trying to lift it to a global
scale: it can only function the way it does for the local community or
pilgrims going there. The Eifel tower wouldn't mean anything in Berlin, the
Statue of Liberty wouldn't mean a ny thing in NY if it wasn't given by the
French, untsoweiter. Material things get their meaning by being part of a
process of production/garbaging of desire, and for me much of the making in
the artmaking business is about allowing that to happen, calling for a pure
zen-like form of modesty on the part of the author that is hard to attain
and mostly, often sadly, ridiculed by pouring too much money of eager
sponsors in it. Corruption in art is not about corrupt artists (mostly),
it's about blind, encapsulating commercial processes corrupting original
meaning.
I think if you're serious about making art you can only fool yourself very
temporarily sponsoring doesn't affect the meaning of what you're doing. Just
another problem, less technical, more time needed, perhaps.
> >
> > It could be done, less expensively, as pure (virtual if
> you want but
> > i
> > think that's a bad word) net.art too, but that would be
> missing out on
> > the
> > 'materialising' part of the project as it already is taking
> its form
> > in
> > things like paintings and satues and the like.
> >
>
> ..making a light sculpture is not really "materializing"…. :-)
>
Exactly: that's why the brackets are there. It's a step towards
materialising though, an allowance of sorts, an invitation perhaps. What is
needed is a transformation of the negative to a positive impuls. Global
respons to urgent matters doesn't build up to much else than more negativity
actually worsening the situation. Making art in the luxury we live in can
only be meaningful if it succeeds in contributing, albeit ever so slightly,
to offer an escape route from the negative, release the pressure a bit. A
good poem is always positive because it creates time, slows down language to
a point where you feel the presence of a beauty that is not in the linear
alignment of the words.Houdini became an icon of succesful American art
because he could literary escape in any situation, offer the working masses
a glimps of the beauty of the impossible, transforming it to a positive
impetus. Perhaps post-modernism go us stuck in trying/failing to find
meaning in the chains that can only be understood as the garbage of the
liberating/redeeming process.

> but in short: what i understood, what you have in mind is not
> yet FULLY realizable in terms of todays technology (at least
> thats what i think…) but probably it will be
> realizable in a few years. i think there is a technological jump
> taking place right now.
>
Well if it's not fully realisable right now, starting to think about it
seriously may be the correct timing. Thanks for your constructive opinions.
dv
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Dirk Vekemans wrote:

>
> > Dirk Vekemans wrote:
> >> it may have been something similar to these:
> > > http://www.laser-magic.com/transscreen.html
> > >
> > >
> > with 3D projection i mean something where you have to wear
> > glasses in order to see 3D. the above link is of that kind.
>
> Don't know Nad, but they specifically claim you don't need glasses on
> the
> page…

often these companies like to be blurry to sell their products, but
actually i found this website rather clear.

so what they mean is that you dont need glasses for viewing the 2D projection on the transscreen. and since the 2D projection is so to say
floating in the air as it is projected to a transparent foil,
the 2D image may look a bit as if it WOULD BE 3D, but it IS NOT 3D.
you have no depth in your image.

you get a 3D image with the transscreen if you wear glasses and if the
projected material is made for 3D, just like in any
other 3D projection.

nad


nad

Dirk Vekemans wrote:

>
> > Dirk Vekemans wrote:
> >> it may have been something similar to these:
> > > http://www.laser-magic.com/transscreen.html
> > >
> > >
> > with 3D projection i mean something where you have to wear
> > glasses in order to see 3D. the above link is of that kind.
>
> Don't know Nad, but they specifically claim you don't need glasses on
> the
> page…

often these companies like to be blurry to sell their products, but
actually i found this website rather clear.

so what they mean is that you dont need glasses for viewing the 2D projection on the transscreen. and since the 2D projection is so to say
floating in the air as it is projected to a transparent foil,
the 2D image may look a bit as if it WOULD BE 3D, but it IS NOT 3D.
you have no depth in your image.

you get a 3D image with the transscreen if you wear glasses and if the
projected material is made for 3D, just like in any
other 3D projection.

nad


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i post this for the second time, as the previous post seems to have disappeared:

Hello Regina

i think what you saw, was probably something
i would call a traditional hologramm. especially if this
was an exhibition in the eighties. i couldnt find
out what was shown in the exhibition you wrote about, but hologramms
were sort of hip in the eighties. people are still quite
active in this field, but they are nowadays rather banned
to science museums and other nonarts places (with some exeptions :-)).
however since the eighties are hip again (?), we will may be get soon a
hologramm art revival…:-)

and yes regina i think you are right -it would look quite good for
dirks purpose.
however these hologramms 1) need a screen/display and 2) are
sofar not interactive…or lets say only in low quality
(please see my links in the thread)

BUT DIRK DOESNT WANT TO USE A DISPLAY……!

if dirk would use a display, he could e.g. take an animated
hologramm, which is not interactive. may be he could
switch it on and off….for the interactive part :-( :-)

displays in the size of 1x2m are available for 15000 Euros
e.g. from this british company:
http://www.3d-print.com/holodisplays.html

nad


P.S. you can produce your own hologramm by using a laser pointer
and a programm to generate a digital hologramm
at this site by Doctor Stein:
http://www.medcosm.com/prog_CGHmaker.htm



Regina Celia Pinto wrote:

> Hello Dirk,
> >
> > Someone else mailed me privately she saw something like this being
> done in
> > the eighties, so i guess that might have been a laser projection. Do
> you
> > or
> > anyone else know what quality of image such techniques might be
> capable of
> > in outdoor conditions? Or whether you could have the static 3d input
> mixed
> > with other input like words or part of words going through it,
> whether you
> > could fade in/out inputs and overlap them in time?
> >
>
> Yes, I saw the castle of the "Facteur Cheval"
> (http://www.aricie.fr/facteur-cheval/) as holography in the XVI S�o
> Paulo
> Bienalle, 1981. The exhibition of this castle was part of the
> "Outsider Art
> Exhibition", one of the manifestations of the XVI bienalle, curated
> by
> Victor Musgrave. I have the catalogue of this part of the bienalle
> with me,
> but unfortunatelly it does not show a photo of the holography and also
> it
> does not have any text about it. However I remember that there were
> projectors that seemed to be lasers to make the 3d light image, which
> was
> not so big but completely astonishing for me. Perhaps someone else in
> this
> list visited the XVI S�o Paulo bienalle and should give you better
> information than me.
>
> I imagine that your catedral could use the same process because also
> it is
> an architecture.
>
> I hope you get it!
>
> Regina C�lia Pinto
>
> http://arteonline.arq.br/
> http://arteonline.arq.br/library.htm
>
> New Works:
>
> http://arteonline.arq.br/magic_walls/
> http://arteonline.arq.br/eva/
> http://arteonline.arq.br/ducks/
>
>

i post this for the second time, as the previous post seems to have disappeared:

Hello Regina

i think what you saw, was probably something
i would call a traditional hologramm. especially if this
was an exhibition in the eighties. i couldnt find
out what was shown in the exhibition you wrote about, but hologramms
were sort of hip in the eighties. people are still quite
active in this field, but they are nowadays rather banned
to science museums and other nonarts places (with some exeptions :-)).
however since the eighties are hip again (?), we will may be get soon a
hologramm art revival…:-)

and yes regina i think you are right -it would look quite good for
dirks purpose.
however these hologramms 1) need a screen/display and 2) are
sofar not interactive…or lets say only in low quality
(please see my links in the thread)

BUT DIRK DOESNT WANT TO USE A DISPLAY……!

if dirk would use a display, he could e.g. take an animated
hologramm, which is not interactive. may be he could
switch it on and off….for the interactive part :-( :-)

displays in the size of 1x2m are available for 15000 Euros
e.g. from this british company:
http://www.3d-print.com/holodisplays.html

nad


P.S. you can produce your own hologramm by using a laser pointer
and a programm to generate a digital hologramm
at this site by Doctor Stein:
http://www.medcosm.com/prog_CGHmaker.htm



Regina Celia Pinto wrote:

> Hello Dirk,
> >
> > Someone else mailed me privately she saw something like this being
> done in
> > the eighties, so i guess that might have been a laser projection. Do
> you
> > or
> > anyone else know what quality of image such techniques might be
> capable of
> > in outdoor conditions? Or whether you could have the static 3d input
> mixed
> > with other input like words or part of words going through it,
> whether you
> > could fade in/out inputs and overlap them in time?
> >
>
> Yes, I saw the castle of the "Facteur Cheval"
> (http://www.aricie.fr/facteur-cheval/) as holography in the XVI S�o
> Paulo
> Bienalle, 1981. The exhibition of this castle was part of the
> "Outsider Art
> Exhibition", one of the manifestations of the XVI bienalle, curated
> by
> Victor Musgrave. I have the catalogue of this part of the bienalle
> with me,
> but unfortunatelly it does not show a photo of the holography and also
> it
> does not have any text about it. However I remember that there were
> projectors that seemed to be lasers to make the 3d light image, which
> was
> not so big but completely astonishing for me. Perhaps someone else in
> this
> list visited the XVI S�o Paulo bienalle and should give you better
> information than me.
>
> I imagine that your catedral could use the same process because also
> it is
> an architecture.
>
> I hope you get it!
>
> Regina C�lia Pinto
>
> http://arteonline.arq.br/
> http://arteonline.arq.br/library.htm
>
> New Works:
>
> http://arteonline.arq.br/magic_walls/
> http://arteonline.arq.br/eva/
> http://arteonline.arq.br/ducks/
>
>

Indeed. No screens/displays. A (foggy, blurred, i don't care) appereance of
the Cathedral hovering 3m from ground level over a square building (5x3,5
m). And it does need to be (highly) responsive to user input, changes can be
minimal (eg colour change)but need to be distinctive visually. The show will
be revealed in Kessel-lo on september 27, 2009 at 0:50 local time. Next
year, an international engineering competition will be initiated to supply
me with the required technical equipment. Judging from the amount of money
Nad mentions here, i guess i'll have to fool some companies into believing
they can make a profit off it. I'll make a 3d mock up of the project later
this year. Business people get delirious when they see complicated 3d mock
ups with a deadline underneath it.

For now the project is best viewed in your dreams. Try eating some orange
flavoured chocolate (preferrably Belgian)while reading this , concentrating
your thoughts on the project. When you go to sleep you only need to put
another piece of the said chocolate in your mouth, let it melt, dream away.

Impatient artists wishing to contribute to the project at this early stage
may forward suggestions of a (working) title for the project to [email protected].
Another thing you could do is start whispering to each other about it while
commuting to your place of work. You might not be aware of it, but
contemporary artists are known to commute to work in the presence of eager
business people. Just make sure they think they just got a headstart on the
competition.

dv

(please delete this mail from your mailbox asap, it may be held against you
when Gamazon law agents perform a worldwide mailsearch to single out
involved citizens in 2010)

> —–Oorspronkelijk bericht—–
> Van: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Namens Nad
> Verzonden: woensdag 4 januari 2006 18:20
> Aan: [email protected]
> Onderwerp: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 3D Holographic projectors?
>
> i post this for the second time, as the previous post seems
> to have disappeared:
>
> Hello Regina
>
> i think what you saw, was probably something i would call a
> traditional hologramm. especially if this was an exhibition
> in the eighties. i couldnt find out what was shown in the
> exhibition you wrote about, but hologramms were sort of hip
> in the eighties. people are still quite active in this field,
> but they are nowadays rather banned to science museums and
> other nonarts places (with some exeptions :-)).
> however since the eighties are hip again (?), we will may be
> get soon a hologramm art revival…:-)
>
> and yes regina i think you are right -it would look quite
> good for dirks purpose.
> however these hologramms 1) need a screen/display and 2) are
> sofar not interactive…or lets say only in low quality
> (please see my links in the thread)
>
> BUT DIRK DOESNT WANT TO USE A DISPLAY……!
>
> if dirk would use a display, he could e.g. take an animated
> hologramm, which is not interactive. may be he could switch
> it on and off….for the interactive part :-( :-)
>
> displays in the size of 1x2m are available for 15000 Euros
> e.g. from this british company:
> http://www.3d-print.com/holodisplays.html
>
> nad
>
>
> P.S. you can produce your own hologramm by using a laser
> pointer and a programm to generate a digital hologramm at
> this site by Doctor Stein:
> http://www.medcosm.com/prog_CGHmaker.htm
>
>
>
> Regina Celia Pinto wrote:
>
> > Hello Dirk,
> > >
> > > Someone else mailed me privately she saw something like this being
> > done in
> > > the eighties, so i guess that might have been a laser
> projection. Do
> > you
> > > or
> > > anyone else know what quality of image such techniques might be
> > capable of
> > > in outdoor conditions? Or whether you could have the
> static 3d input
> > mixed
> > > with other input like words or part of words going through it,
> > whether you
> > > could fade in/out inputs and overlap them in time?
> > >
> >
> > Yes, I saw the castle of the "Facteur Cheval"
> > (http://www.aricie.fr/facteur-cheval/) as holography in
> the XVI S?o
> > Paulo Bienalle, 1981. The exhibition of this castle was
> part of the
> > "Outsider Art Exhibition", one of the manifestations of the XVI
> > bienalle, curated by Victor Musgrave. I have the catalogue of this
> > part of the bienalle with me, but unfortunatelly it does not show a
> > photo of the holography and also it does not have any text
> about it.
> > However I remember that there were projectors that seemed
> to be lasers
> > to make the 3d light image, which was not so big but completely
> > astonishing for me. Perhaps someone else in this list
> visited the XVI
> > S?o Paulo bienalle and should give you better information than me.
> >
> > I imagine that your catedral could use the same process
> because also
> > it is an architecture.
> >
> > I hope you get it!
> >
> > Regina C?lia Pinto
> >
> > http://arteonline.arq.br/
> > http://arteonline.arq.br/library.htm
> >
> > New Works:
> >
> > http://arteonline.arq.br/magic_walls/
> > http://arteonline.arq.br/eva/
> > http://arteonline.arq.br/ducks/
> >
> >
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Hello Nad,

Yes, I think you are completely right. However, that time it was anything
amazing for me. The holography was not interactive but I think that it had
not any kind of screen. Of course I know that you know much more about this
than myself, I am nule. I only wanted to tell my experience. Do not worry!

Thanks for your reply,

Regina



—– Original Message —–
From: "Nad" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:20 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 3D Holographic projectors?


>i post this for the second time, as the previous post seems to have
>disappeared:
>
> Hello Regina
>
> i think what you saw, was probably something
> i would call a traditional hologramm. especially if this
> was an exhibition in the eighties. i couldnt find
> out what was shown in the exhibition you wrote about, but hologramms
> were sort of hip in the eighties. people are still quite
> active in this field, but they are nowadays rather banned
> to science museums and other nonarts places (with some exeptions :-)).
> however since the eighties are hip again (?), we will may be get soon a
> hologramm art revival…:-)
>
> and yes regina i think you are right -it would look quite good for
> dirks purpose.
> however these hologramms 1) need a screen/display and 2) are
> sofar not interactive…or lets say only in low quality
> (please see my links in the thread)
>
> BUT DIRK DOESNT WANT TO USE A DISPLAY……!
>
> if dirk would use a display, he could e.g. take an animated
> hologramm, which is not interactive. may be he could
> switch it on and off….for the interactive part :-( :-)
>
> displays in the size of 1x2m are available for 15000 Euros
> e.g. from this british company:
> http://www.3d-print.com/holodisplays.html
>
> nad
>
>
> P.S. you can produce your own hologramm by using a laser pointer
> and a programm to generate a digital hologramm
> at this site by Doctor Stein:
> http://www.medcosm.com/prog_CGHmaker.htm
>
>
>
> Regina Celia Pinto wrote:
>
>> Hello Dirk,
>> >
>> > Someone else mailed me privately she saw something like this being
>> done in
>> > the eighties, so i guess that might have been a laser projection. Do
>> you
>> > or
>> > anyone else know what quality of image such techniques might be
>> capable of
>> > in outdoor conditions? Or whether you could have the static 3d input
>> mixed
>> > with other input like words or part of words going through it,
>> whether you
>> > could fade in/out inputs and overlap them in time?
>> >
>>
>> Yes, I saw the castle of the "Facteur Cheval"
>> (http://www.aricie.fr/facteur-cheval/) as holography in the XVI S�o
>> Paulo
>> Bienalle, 1981. The exhibition of this castle was part of the
>> "Outsider Art
>> Exhibition", one of the manifestations of the XVI bienalle, curated
>> by
>> Victor Musgrave. I have the catalogue of this part of the bienalle
>> with me,
>> but unfortunatelly it does not show a photo of the holography and also
>> it
>> does not have any text about it. However I remember that there were
>> projectors that seemed to be lasers to make the 3d light image, which
>> was
>> not so big but completely astonishing for me. Perhaps someone else in
>> this
>> list visited the XVI S�o Paulo bienalle and should give you better
>> information than me.
>>
>> I imagine that your catedral could use the same process because also
>> it is
>> an architecture.
>>
>> I hope you get it!
>>
>> Regina C�lia Pinto
>>
>> http://arteonline.arq.br/
>> http://arteonline.arq.br/library.htm
>>
>> New Works:
>>
>> http://arteonline.arq.br/magic_walls/
>> http://arteonline.arq.br/eva/
>> http://arteonline.arq.br/ducks/
>>
>>
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Regina Celia Pinto wrote:

> Hello Nad,
>
> Yes, I think you are completely right. However, that time it was
> anything
> amazing for me.


i also find them amazing Regina. light is amazing and
a most mysterious thing.

>The holography was not interactive but I think that
> it had
> not any kind of screen.

holography is basically a way to store 3D information on
a 2D plate (…which i called display, may be that is confusing).
so there must have been some plate. i guess you probably
saw the 3D thing through a glass window? the glass window was
then the plate/display. the holographic information is
"printed" on the glass and the lightbeam is "decoding" the
information into a 3D image.

in the link of the do-it-yourself hologramm (see thread)
the "display" is just an ordinary transparency.

in the case of holograms on credit cards the "plate" is
the transparent plastic coating on top of a metallic layer.

>Of course I know that you know much more
> about this
> than myself, I am nule. I only wanted to tell my experience. Do not
> worry!
>

i do not worry :-) its good if people ask and discuss.



nad



>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "Nad" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:20 PM
> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 3D Holographic projectors?
>
>
> >i post this for the second time, as the previous post seems to have
> >disappeared:
> >
> > Hello Regina
> >
> > i think what you saw, was probably something
> > i would call a traditional hologramm. especially if this
> > was an exhibition in the eighties. i couldnt find
> > out what was shown in the exhibition you wrote about, but hologramms
> > were sort of hip in the eighties. people are still quite
> > active in this field, but they are nowadays rather banned
> > to science museums and other nonarts places (with some exeptions
> :-)).
> > however since the eighties are hip again (?), we will may be get
> soon a
> > hologramm art revival…:-)
> >
> > and yes regina i think you are right -it would look quite good for
> > dirks purpose.
> > however these hologramms 1) need a screen/display and 2) are
> > sofar not interactive…or lets say only in low quality
> > (please see my links in the thread)
> >
> > BUT DIRK DOESNT WANT TO USE A DISPLAY……!
> >
> > if dirk would use a display, he could e.g. take an animated
> > hologramm, which is not interactive. may be he could
> > switch it on and off….for the interactive part :-( :-)
> >
> > displays in the size of 1x2m are available for 15000 Euros
> > e.g. from this british company:
> > http://www.3d-print.com/holodisplays.html
> >
> > nad
> >
> >
> > P.S. you can produce your own hologramm by using a laser pointer
> > and a programm to generate a digital hologramm
> > at this site by Doctor Stein:
> > http://www.medcosm.com/prog_CGHmaker.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > Regina Celia Pinto wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Dirk,
> >> >
> >> > Someone else mailed me privately she saw something like this
> being
> >> done in
> >> > the eighties, so i guess that might have been a laser projection.
> Do
> >> you
> >> > or
> >> > anyone else know what quality of image such techniques might be
> >> capable of
> >> > in outdoor conditions? Or whether you could have the static 3d
> input
> >> mixed
> >> > with other input like words or part of words going through it,
> >> whether you
> >> > could fade in/out inputs and overlap them in time?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Yes, I saw the castle of the "Facteur Cheval"
> >> (http://www.aricie.fr/facteur-cheval/) as holography in the XVI
> S�o
> >> Paulo
> >> Bienalle, 1981. The exhibition of this castle was part of the
> >> "Outsider Art
> >> Exhibition", one of the manifestations of the XVI bienalle, curated
> >> by
> >> Victor Musgrave. I have the catalogue of this part of the bienalle
> >> with me,
> >> but unfortunatelly it does not show a photo of the holography and
> also
> >> it
> >> does not have any text about it. However I remember that there were
> >> projectors that seemed to be lasers to make the 3d light image,
> which
> >> was
> >> not so big but completely astonishing for me. Perhaps someone else
> in
> >> this
> >> list visited the XVI S�o Paulo bienalle and should give you
> better
> >> information than me.
> >>
> >> I imagine that your catedral could use the same process because
> also
> >> it is
> >> an architecture.
> >>
> >> I hope you get it!
> >>
> >> Regina C�lia Pinto
> >>
> >> http://arteonline.arq.br/
> >> http://arteonline.arq.br/library.htm
> >>
> >> New Works:
> >>
> >> http://arteonline.arq.br/magic_walls/
> >> http://arteonline.arq.br/eva/
> >> http://arteonline.arq.br/ducks/
> >>
> >>
> > +
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>
>

Hello Nad,

You wrote:

holography is basically a way to store 3D information on
a 2D plate (…which i called display, may be that is confusing).
so there must have been some plate. i guess you probably
saw the 3D thing through a glass window? the glass window was
then the plate/display. the holographic information is
"printed" on the glass and the lightbeam is "decoding" the
information into a 3D image.

There was a kind of vial where the light sculpture of the castle appeared
magicly inside. Do you believe that is this the secret? What I can say is
that that thing made a strong impression in me.

you wrote:
i do not worry :-) its good if people ask and discuss.

I think in the same way!

All the best,

Regina

—– Original Message —–
From: "Nad" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:22 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 3D Holographic projectors?


> Regina Celia Pinto wrote:
>
>> Hello Nad,
>>
>> Yes, I think you are completely right. However, that time it was
>> anything
>> amazing for me.
>
>
> i also find them amazing Regina. light is amazing and
> a most mysterious thing.
>
>>The holography was not interactive but I think that
>> it had
>> not any kind of screen.
>
> holography is basically a way to store 3D information on
> a 2D plate (…which i called display, may be that is confusing).
> so there must have been some plate. i guess you probably
> saw the 3D thing through a glass window? the glass window was
> then the plate/display. the holographic information is
> "printed" on the glass and the lightbeam is "decoding" the
> information into a 3D image.
>
> in the link of the do-it-yourself hologramm (see thread)
> the "display" is just an ordinary transparency.
>
> in the case of holograms on credit cards the "plate" is
> the transparent plastic coating on top of a metallic layer.
>
>>Of course I know that you know much more
>> about this
>> than myself, I am nule. I only wanted to tell my experience. Do not
>> worry!
>>
>
> i do not worry :-) its good if people ask and discuss.
>
>
>
> nad
>
>
>
>>
>> —– Original Message —–
>> From: "Nad" <[email protected]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:20 PM
>> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 3D Holographic projectors?
>>
>>
>> >i post this for the second time, as the previous post seems to have
>> >disappeared:
>> >
>> > Hello Regina
>> >
>> > i think what you saw, was probably something
>> > i would call a traditional hologramm. especially if this
>> > was an exhibition in the eighties. i couldnt find
>> > out what was shown in the exhibition you wrote about, but hologramms
>> > were sort of hip in the eighties. people are still quite
>> > active in this field, but they are nowadays rather banned
>> > to science museums and other nonarts places (with some exeptions
>> :-)).
>> > however since the eighties are hip again (?), we will may be get
>> soon a
>> > hologramm art revival…:-)
>> >
>> > and yes regina i think you are right -it would look quite good for
>> > dirks purpose.
>> > however these hologramms 1) need a screen/display and 2) are
>> > sofar not interactive…or lets say only in low quality
>> > (please see my links in the thread)
>> >
>> > BUT DIRK DOESNT WANT TO USE A DISPLAY……!
>> >
>> > if dirk would use a display, he could e.g. take an animated
>> > hologramm, which is not interactive. may be he could
>> > switch it on and off….for the interactive part :-( :-)
>> >
>> > displays in the size of 1x2m are available for 15000 Euros
>> > e.g. from this british company:
>> > http://www.3d-print.com/holodisplays.html
>> >
>> > nad
>> >
>> >
>> > P.S. you can produce your own hologramm by using a laser pointer
>> > and a programm to generate a digital hologramm
>> > at this site by Doctor Stein:
>> > http://www.medcosm.com/prog_CGHmaker.htm
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Regina Celia Pinto wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello Dirk,
>> >> >
>> >> > Someone else mailed me privately she saw something like this
>> being
>> >> done in
>> >> > the eighties, so i guess that might have been a laser projection.
>> Do
>> >> you
>> >> > or
>> >> > anyone else know what quality of image such techniques might be
>> >> capable of
>> >> > in outdoor conditions? Or whether you could have the static 3d
>> input
>> >> mixed
>> >> > with other input like words or part of words going through it,
>> >> whether you
>> >> > could fade in/out inputs and overlap them in time?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Yes, I saw the castle of the "Facteur Cheval"
>> >> (http://www.aricie.fr/facteur-cheval/) as holography in the XVI
>> S�o
>> >> Paulo
>> >> Bienalle, 1981. The exhibition of this castle was part of the
>> >> "Outsider Art
>> >> Exhibition", one of the manifestations of the XVI bienalle, curated
>> >> by
>> >> Victor Musgrave. I have the catalogue of this part of the bienalle
>> >> with me,
>> >> but unfortunatelly it does not show a photo of the holography and
>> also
>> >> it
>> >> does not have any text about it. However I remember that there were
>> >> projectors that seemed to be lasers to make the 3d light image,
>> which
>> >> was
>> >> not so big but completely astonishing for me. Perhaps someone else
>> in
>> >> this
>> >> list visited the XVI S�o Paulo bienalle and should give you
>> better
>> >> information than me.
>> >>
>> >> I imagine that your catedral could use the same process because
>> also
>> >> it is
>> >> an architecture.
>> >>
>> >> I hope you get it!
>> >>
>> >> Regina C�lia Pinto
>> >>
>> >> http://arteonline.arq.br/
>> >> http://arteonline.arq.br/library.htm
>> >>
>> >> New Works:
>> >>
>> >> http://arteonline.arq.br/magic_walls/
>> >> http://arteonline.arq.br/eva/
>> >> http://arteonline.arq.br/ducks/
>> >>
>> >>
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Regina Celia Pinto wrote:


> There was a kind of vial where the light sculpture of the castle
> appeared
> magicly inside. Do you believe that is this the secret? What I can
> say is
> that that thing made a strong impression in me.
>

yes i think so, the holographic information was on the class vial
and i think it was taken from a model of the palace….if it was a hologram!
but i cant think of anything else. do you know the artists name?
i am now really curious about this thing. google also didnt know.

all the best nad

Hello Nad,

You wrote:

"Yes i think so, the holographic information was on the class vial
and i think it was taken from a model of the palace….if it was a hologram!
but i cant think of anything else. do you know the artists name?
i am now really curious about this thing. google also didnt know."

Unfortunatelly the information I have is the information I sent you in my
first email, which is the information of the exhibition catalogue. Also I
have searched web but with no result.

Bye,

Regina

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> Regina Celia Pinto wrote:
>
>
>> There was a kind of vial where the light sculpture of the castle
>> appeared
>> magicly inside. Do you believe that is this the secret? What I can
>> say is
>> that that thing made a strong impression in me.
>>
>
> yes i think so, the holographic information was on the class vial
> and i think it was taken from a model of the palace….if it was a
> hologram!
> but i cant think of anything else. do you know the artists name?
> i am now really curious about this thing. google also didnt know.
>
> all the best nad
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Regina Celia Pinto wrote:


> Unfortunatelly the information I have is the information I sent you in
> my
> first email, which is the information of the exhibition catalogue.
> Also I
> have searched web but with no result.

Hello Regina,

yes i also searched the web with no result. and as it seems
nobody of the rhizome community (who is reading this thread…:-))
knows about it either. if you should ever get more
info i would be glad if you could let me know. thanks,

bye, nad

Yes, I will send to you any information I get.
Thanks for your interest,

Regina


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> Regina Celia Pinto wrote:
>
>
>> Unfortunatelly the information I have is the information I sent you in
>> my
>> first email, which is the information of the exhibition catalogue.
>> Also I
>> have searched web but with no result.
>
> Hello Regina,
>
> yes i also searched the web with no result. and as it seems
> nobody of the rhizome community (who is reading this thread…:-))
> knows about it either. if you should ever get more
> info i would be glad if you could let me know. thanks,
>
> bye, nad
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