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, Liza Sabater

HOLY SHIT!
THAT harold Pinter?
No wonder they're suing you.
He's HUGE.


On Monday, March 15, 2004, at 04:08 PM, Joy Garnett wrote:

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> just found (uncredited):
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> http://www.haroldpinter.org/politics/politics_america.shtml
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, Michael Szpakowski

hmmm…I wonder whether it'd be worth you mailing
Pinter, Joy.
He's an extremely good bloke - very prominent, for
example, in opposing the war.
I don't know him, not moving in those exalted circles,
so I can't speak from personal experience & I do know
that he's been pretty ill of late plus I doubt he
answers his own e mails, but it might be worth a shot
-you know, changing coincidence into solidarity
perhaps?
best
michael
— Joy Garnett <[email protected]> wrote:
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, joy garnett

Isn't it funny? Harold Pinter, an old lefty of the third kind, calling it
an "emblematic" image but not crediting the photog. and cropping the
original no less.

I think it's perfectly fine; I think it's all so overblown, as an issue. i
think I need a vacation from crazy hysterical people… can I go lie on a
beach and read something stupid like Vogue now? why do I never get to do
that? don't pirates get to go to the beach and relax?

let's help this whole thing die, there are other fish to fry… i have
more paintings to make (YES: from photographs). busy busy pirate.

and TWID!
how'd you suss it out? I gave you no hints; did someone you know point
you in the right direction? are you a bloodhound? do I owe you a drink or
something? please don't anyone send her a dead rat in the mail, it's not
worth the trouble and you might get arrested.

peace,
j

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Michael Szpakowski wrote:

> hmmm…I wonder whether it'd be worth you mailing
> Pinter, Joy.
> He's an extremely good bloke - very prominent, for
> example, in opposing the war.
> I don't know him, not moving in those exalted circles,
> so I can't speak from personal experience & I do know
> that he's been pretty ill of late plus I doubt he
> answers his own e mails, but it might be worth a shot
> -you know, changing coincidence into solidarity
> perhaps?
> best
> michael
> — Joy Garnett <[email protected]> wrote:
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, MTAA

On Mar 15, 2004, at 7:46 PM, Joy Garnett wrote:
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>
> and TWID!
> how'd you suss it out? I gave you no hints; did someone you know point
> you in the right direction? are you a bloodhound? do I owe you a drink
> or
> something? please don't anyone send her a dead rat in the mail, it's
> not
> worth the trouble and you might get arrested.

Hi Joy,

Wasn't hard. Earlier you mentioned she was a magnum photographer. Once
I knew it was a photo of a Sandinista a simple search for 'Sandinista'
on the Magnum site turned it up pretty easily.

She also did the Carnival Stripper book. Those photos are amazing I
must say.

No dead rats from me.. My posting of the original on my site is simply
reportage in aid of our discussion on this mailing list.

cya ;-)


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, joy garnett

okay Tim, you *are* a bloodhound – you get the grand prize. Even knowing
the scant details, there are a lot of Magnum photographers… and that one
image is fairly embedded in the Nicaragua book.

Yeah, I got nothing against her; great photographs, etc. I think her
attitude is really unfortunate. What she did doesn't serve anyone really
(except of course us and our discussion).

best,
J




On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, t.whid wrote:

>
> On Mar 15, 2004, at 7:46 PM, Joy Garnett wrote:
> >
> >
> > and TWID!
> > how'd you suss it out? I gave you no hints; did someone you know point
> > you in the right direction? are you a bloodhound? do I owe you a drink
> > or
> > something? please don't anyone send her a dead rat in the mail, it's
> > not
> > worth the trouble and you might get arrested.
>
> Hi Joy,
>
> Wasn't hard. Earlier you mentioned she was a magnum photographer. Once
> I knew it was a photo of a Sandinista a simple search for 'Sandinista'
> on the Magnum site turned it up pretty easily.
>
> She also did the Carnival Stripper book. Those photos are amazing I
> must say.
>
> No dead rats from me.. My posting of the original on my site is simply
> reportage in aid of our discussion on this mailing list.
>
> cya ;-)
>
> –
> <t.whid>
> www.mteww.com
> </t.whid>
>

, Lee Wells

Good Job guys.

I think the painting is much better.

Now let make some art.



on 3/15/04 20:55, Joy Garnett at [email protected] wrote:

> okay Tim, you *are* a bloodhound – you get the grand prize. Even knowing
> the scant details, there are a lot of Magnum photographers… and that one
> image is fairly embedded in the Nicaragua book.
>
> Yeah, I got nothing against her; great photographs, etc. I think her
> attitude is really unfortunate. What she did doesn't serve anyone really
> (except of course us and our discussion).
>
> best,
> J
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, t.whid wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 15, 2004, at 7:46 PM, Joy Garnett wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> and TWID!
>>> how'd you suss it out? I gave you no hints; did someone you know point
>>> you in the right direction? are you a bloodhound? do I owe you a drink
>>> or
>>> something? please don't anyone send her a dead rat in the mail, it's
>>> not
>>> worth the trouble and you might get arrested.
>>
>> Hi Joy,
>>
>> Wasn't hard. Earlier you mentioned she was a magnum photographer. Once
>> I knew it was a photo of a Sandinista a simple search for 'Sandinista'
>> on the Magnum site turned it up pretty easily.
>>
>> She also did the Carnival Stripper book. Those photos are amazing I
>> must say.
>>
>> No dead rats from me.. My posting of the original on my site is simply
>> reportage in aid of our discussion on this mailing list.
>>
>> cya ;-)
>>
>> –
>> <t.whid>
>> www.mteww.com
>> </t.whid>
>>
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, Michael Szpakowski

< No dead rats from me.. >
Me neither. Of course it wouldn't be helpful.
It does strike me as tragic that someone of such clear
talent and sensitivity should be so monumentally
ungenerous to a fellow artist.
That's why I do think the mirrors and the derived
artworks matter, both as a gesture of defiance in the
face of that lack of generosity and as an indication
that artists, fragmented and isolated as we often are,
can actually act together in mutual support.
I hope people will continue to post the image/make
artworks, although I can entirely understand your
weariniess with he whole thing, Joy!
As a matter of interest what is the time scale? -are
these things incredibly drawn out or is it likely to
be finished soon?
regards
michael

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, joy garnett

dear Michael et al.,

I agree – it is sort of tragic.

The real culprit, perhaps, is the person who denounced me to her – I
believe this must be what happened, and that she never would have seen my
image had not this character meddled and thrown it in her face. She never
would have come across it: our markets and worlds are so different. But
this guy had emailed me weeks in advance of this lawsuit, pretending to
want not to "meddle"; this was the person who made me aware of the
original image, who sent me the Magnum link, and who tried to pressure me
to write to Meiselas. I won't mention his name until I know for sure,
since I could be wrong.

Last week a writer from the Culture Desk at the NYTimes contacted me; my
lawyer and I agreed it could only be hurtful to me at that moment to have
it go "public" (the case seems to have dropped the moment my gallery and
I removed the Molotov images from our websites… hopefully the other
shoe will never drop). I was both desperate to get rid of him and wishing
I could use him: I mean, jeez, the Times, how cool. Clearly Joywar has had
some reach. He asked me a few Qs "off the record" and finally he said to
me: I don't think there's a story here, I mean, why is this person suing
you? Are they crazy? Art has been made from photographs and other artworks
for eons.

I coulda kissed him right there.

best,
J


On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Michael Szpakowski wrote:

>
> < No dead rats from me.. >
> Me neither. Of course it wouldn't be helpful.
> It does strike me as tragic that someone of such clear
> talent and sensitivity should be so monumentally
> ungenerous to a fellow artist.
> That's why I do think the mirrors and the derived
> artworks matter, both as a gesture of defiance in the
> face of that lack of generosity and as an indication
> that artists, fragmented and isolated as we often are,
> can actually act together in mutual support.
> I hope people will continue to post the image/make
> artworks, although I can entirely understand your
> weariniess with he whole thing, Joy!
> As a matter of interest what is the time scale? -are
> these things incredibly drawn out or is it likely to
> be finished soon?
> regards
> michael
>
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, Jo-Anne Green

joy garnett wrote:

> dear Michael et al.,
>
> I agree – it is sort of tragic.
>
> The real culprit, perhaps, is the person who denounced me to her – I
> believe this must be what happened, and that she never would have seen
> my
> image had not this character meddled and thrown it in her face. She
> never
> would have come across it: our markets and worlds are so different.
> But
> this guy had emailed me weeks in advance of this lawsuit, pretending
> to
> want not to "meddle"; this was the person who made me aware of the
> original image, who sent me the Magnum link, and who tried to pressure
> me
> to write to Meiselas. I won't mention his name until I know for sure,
> since I could be wrong.
>
> Last week a writer from the Culture Desk at the NYTimes contacted me;
> my
> lawyer and I agreed it could only be hurtful to me at that moment to
> have
> it go "public" (the case seems to have dropped the moment my gallery
> and
> I removed the Molotov images from our websites… hopefully the other
> shoe will never drop). I was both desperate to get rid of him and
> wishing
> I could use him: I mean, jeez, the Times, how cool. Clearly Joywar has
> had
> some reach. He asked me a few Qs "off the record" and finally he said
> to
> me: I don't think there's a story here, I mean, why is this person
> suing
> you? Are they crazy? Art has been made from photographs and other
> artworks
> for eons.
>
> I coulda kissed him right there.
>
> best,
> J
>
>
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
>
> >
> > < No dead rats from me.. >
> > Me neither. Of course it wouldn't be helpful.
> > It does strike me as tragic that someone of such clear
> > talent and sensitivity should be so monumentally
> > ungenerous to a fellow artist.
> > That's why I do think the mirrors and the derived
> > artworks matter, both as a gesture of defiance in the
> > face of that lack of generosity and as an indication
> > that artists, fragmented and isolated as we often are,
> > can actually act together in mutual support.
> > I hope people will continue to post the image/make
> > artworks, although I can entirely understand your
> > weariniess with he whole thing, Joy!
> > As a matter of interest what is the time scale? -are
> > these things incredibly drawn out or is it likely to
> > be finished soon?
> > regards
> > michael
> >
> > __________________________________
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>
>

Hi,

I've been following Joywar with a great deal of interest and enthusiasm. It's been wonderful to see so many artists generating new work in solidarity with Joy. Now that the photojournalist has been identified

, joy garnett

dear Jo,

Many thanks for your kind thoughts. The sad fact of the matter is SM
sicced a very nasty lawyer on me, and I've only written to her myself in
response – I have her email, cc'd me by her lawyer. I've never received any
communication or a response in kind directly from her, which she might
have done at the outset (instead of suing me). She possibly has me pegged
for something that I'm not, or else she's too busy and has left the
matter to the nasty lawyer. Anyway, I'm tired of second-guessing. It
seems, however, that things have cooled down, so perhaps the matter has
been dropped.

best,
Joy


Jo-Anne Green wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've been following Joywar with a great deal of interest and enthusiasm. It's been wonderful to see so many artists generating new work in solidarity with Joy. Now that the photojournalist has been identified