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Marco Polo describes a bridge, stone by stone. "But which is the stone that
supports the bridge?"
Kublai Khan asks.
"_The bridge is not supported by one stone or another," Marco answers,
"but by the line of the arch that they form."
Kublai Khan remains silent, reflecting. Then he adds:
"Why do you speak to me of the stones?
It is only the arch that matters to me."
Polo answers:
"Without stones there is no arch."
(Fragments of Invisible Cities, by Italo Calvino)
http://www.emory.edu/EDUCATION/mfp/cal.html
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rch
that matters to me."<BR>Polo answers:<BR>"Without stones there is no
arch."<BR><BR>(Fragments of Invisible Cities, by Italo Calvino)<BR><BR><A=
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I don't agree. Each stone is nothing, each one of them is like a empty =
concept. It's the interstice between two stones that's the essential: if he=
re wouldn't existing that empty space between them, wouldn't have stones, b=
ut only a petrified and uniform mass without sense! Also, is this fractal s=
pace that do possible the separation and the interaction, an integration of=
disparate elements in order to organize a form, for exemple, making a arch=
that gives to each stone a final sense: being a bridge stone!
Joao
[email protected]
Com efeito, conta-se que existem lacunas que nunca foram preenchidas, uma=
afirmacao, contudo, que provavelmente nao passara de uma das muita=
s lendas a que a construcao da muralha deu origem.
In: "A Grande Muralha da China", Kafka
—– Original Message —–
From: Regina Celia Pinto
To: List@Rhizome. Org
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:26 AM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Bridges
Marco Polo describes a bridge, stone by stone. "But which is the stone =
that
supports the bridge?"
Kublai Khan asks.
"_The bridge is not supported by one stone or another," Marco answers,
"but by the line of the arch that they form."
Kublai Khan remains silent, reflecting. Then he adds:
"Why do you speak to me of the stones?
It is only the arch that matters to me."
Polo answers:
"Without stones there is no arch."
(Fragments of Invisible Cities, by Italo Calvino)
http://www.emory.edu/EDUCATION/mfp/cal.html
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=3>I don't
agree. Each stone is nothing, each one of them is like a empty concept. I=
t's
the interstice between two stones that's the essential: if here wouldn't=
existing that empty space between them, wouldn't have stones, but on=
ly a
petrified and uniform mass without sense! Also, is this fractal spac=
e
that do possible the separation and the interaction, an integra=
tion
of disparate elements in order to organize a form, for exemple,
making a arch that gives to each stone a final sense: being a b=
ridge
stone! </FONT></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Verdana>Joao</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><EM>Com efeito, conta-se que existem lacunas que =
nunca
foram preenchidas, uma afirmacao, contudo, que provavelmente nao pa=
ssara de
uma das muitas lendas a que a construcao da muralha deu
origem.</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=Arial></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=Arial> In: "A Grande Muralha da China",
Kafka</FONT></EM></DIV>
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p;
"_The bridge is not supported by one stone or another," Marco
answers,<BR>"but by the line of the arch that they form."<BR>Kublai Kha=
n
remains silent, reflecting. Then he adds:<BR>"Why do you speak to me of=
the
stones?<BR>It is only the arch that matters to me."<BR>Polo
answers:<BR>"Without stones there is no arch."<BR><BR>(Fragments of
Invisible Cities, by Italo Calvino)<BR><BR><A
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Hi Joao,
Reading Calvino I have not thought about this yet, but I liked a lot your
contribution. So we must look the bridge, the arc, the stones and the space
among them to a complete ethnographical analysis. Do you agree? I think it
agrees much more better with the "Interpretation of Cultures" by Clifford
Geertz. Good to find someone speaking Portuguese in Rhizome.
Muito obrigada, thank you, tchau,
Regina
What do you think about this part of Calvino's text? O que voce pensa dessa
parte do texto de Calvino?
"From now on, I'll describe the cities to you," the Khan had said, "in your
journeys you will see if they exist."
But the cities visited by Marco Polo were always different from those
thought of by the emperor.
"And yet I have constructed in my mind a model city from which all
possible cities can be deduced," Kublai said. "It contains everything
corresponding to the norm. Since the cities that exist diverge in varying
degree from the norm, I need only foresee the exceptions to the norm and
calculate the most probable combinations."
I have also thought of a model city from which I deduce all others,"
Marco answered. "It is a city made only of exceptions, exclusions,
incongruities, contradictions. If such a city is the most improbable, by
reducing the number of abnormal elements, we increase the probability that
the city really exists. So I have only to subtract exceptions from my model,
and in whatever direction I proceed, I will arrive at one of the cities
which, always as an exception, exists. But I cannot force my operation
beyond a certain limit: I would achieve cities too probable to be real."
Oi Joao,
Eu nao havia pensado nisso, mas gostei muito da sua contribuicao. Nesse caso
devemos olhar a ponte, o arco, as pedras e o espaco entre elas para que uma
analise etnografica seja completa. Concorda? Tem mais a ver com a
Interpretacao das Culturas do Clifford Geertz. Bom encontrar alguem falando
Portugues no Rhizome.
Ate a vista!
Regina
—– Original Message —–
From: Joao Pedro
To: [email protected]
Cc: Oliveira Pereira
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Bridges
I don't agree. Each stone is nothing, each one of them is like a empty
concept. It's the interstice between two stones that's the essential: if
here wouldn't existing that empty space between them, wouldn't have stones,
but only a petrified and uniform mass without sense! Also, is this fractal
space that do possible the separation and the interaction, an integration of
disparate elements in order to organize a form, for exemple, making a arch
that gives to each stone a final sense: being a bridge stone!
Joao
[email protected]
Com efeito, conta-se que existem lacunas que nunca foram preenchidas, uma
afirmacao, contudo, que provavelmente nao passara de uma das muitas lendas a
que a construcao da muralha deu origem.
In: "A Grande Muralha da China", Kafka
—– Original Message —–
From: Regina Celia Pinto
To: List@Rhizome. Org
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:26 AM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Bridges
Marco Polo describes a bridge, stone by stone. "But which is the stone that
supports the bridge?"
Kublai Khan asks.
"_The bridge is not supported by one stone or another," Marco answers,
"but by the line of the arch that they form."
Kublai Khan remains silent, reflecting. Then he adds:
"Why do you speak to me of the stones?
It is only the arch that matters to me."
Polo answers:
"Without stones there is no arch."
(Fragments of Invisible Cities, by Italo Calvino)
http://www.emory.edu/EDUCATION/mfp/cal.html