ANTI WAR ART

Go for it Lee - its mad over here in the UK

marc


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> See you all at the march this afternoon
> UNITED NATIONS PLAZA.
>
> Power to the People
> Make Art Not War
>
> Cheers
> Lee
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ANTI WAR ART IS NONSENS
manik
—– Original Message —–
From: "Lee Wells" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 5:01 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: ANTI WAR ART


> Downloadable posters and flyers in support of the anti war movement
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> http://www.leewells.org/antiwar
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>
> See you all at the march this afternoon
> UNITED NATIONS PLAZA.
>
> Power to the People
> Make Art Not War
>
> Cheers
> Lee
>
> + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
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newsgrist will be at the non-march (very shortly), spy cam in hand.

best,
j

2 Million in hyde Park right now..against the war


Now if Bush/Blair do not listen we know that they should be got rid off and
replaced with decent civilians who give a danm baout humanity.

2 million in Italty against the War - right now…

marc - I'm going back out gain, a greatv day.

http://www.furtherfield.org
http://www.furthernoise.org
http://www.dido.uk.net
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>
> newsgrist will be at the non-march (very shortly), spy cam in hand.
>
> best,
> j
>
>
>
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Hi there Joao,

I think that one of the most obvious things that has come out of this (for
western nations), is that the governments who claim the 'badge' of democracy
are in fact trapped by corporations dictating their motions, thus not
listening to their civilians needs. Not unusual for any country of course,
which kind of tells us that we are either a long way from such utopian
desires of democratic reasonings within societal structures, or that we as
civilians need to chose alternative strategies somehow. For instance
anti-corporate spies of whom are willing to dismantle their powers via
sabotage, this could be done in a non violent way; finding patrons who wish
for the same thing. Creating 'robin Hood' type business execs infiltrating
these corrupt businesses from the inside.

This is what the marches seem to reflect to me, plus many other things about
the failure of people themselves to get together until now. People need to
take the media, insitutions, reclaim it back and start something new…

marc


> 4.000.000 in Spain!
>
> 100.000 in Lisbon!
>
> Today, people from all over the world, desmonstrated to the power liders,
> what democracy is in reality: fight action, direct participation, to have
> voice in political decisions. The governements of Spain and Portugal, they
> couldn't take any more resolutions against the people's will. They need
to
> respect the wish of peace, from their respective countrys. Today, it's a
> memorable day. And i think before that, world can't really change!
> Everything is possible, even what seems impossible some time!
>
>
> Joao
> [email protected]
>
>
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "marc.garrett" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 4:37 PM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: ANTI WAR ART
>
>
> > 2 Million in hyde Park right now..against the war
> >
> >
> > Now if Bush/Blair do not listen we know that they should be got rid off
> and
> > replaced with decent civilians who give a danm baout humanity.
> >
> > 2 million in Italty against the War - right now…
> >
> > marc - I'm going back out gain, a greatv day.
>
>
> >
> > http://www.furtherfield.org
> > http://www.furthernoise.org
> > http://www.dido.uk.net
> > We Can Make Our Own World.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > newsgrist will be at the non-march (very shortly), spy cam in hand.
> > >
> > > best,
> > > j
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
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> > >
> >
> >
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Hi Joao,

mmm - I remember a different experience when our pirate radio gang was thre=
atened, not physically but with a stern nudge, when we were broadcasting lo=
cal people's views about the poll tax, plus the actual march also. We had b=
een on air for a few years and obviously they were not keen for that type o=
f broadcasting, to squeeze out the reality of people's everyday lives - the=
refore 'crackdown'. We laid quite for a while changed our radio title and s=
tarted again, broadcasting great stuff. Experimental performances, poetry, =
cut up noises and soundscapes well ahead of some the (shallow artsy stuff =
trying to be clever just through the medium alone), it had spice and create=
d local change - people were handing their verbal diaries on tape, their ow=
n creativity's, real stuff - not mediated mush. Then some drugged up preten=
tious anarchists who just wanted thrash music all day crashed the scene, is=
suing their own masculine brand of 'I'm the daddy crap'. Just like most mal=
es in governmental offices (or should I say orifices) in our cultures. It d=
oe not matter what religion or flag one is waving, the problem stays the sa=
me - violent men want blood for their pretend ideologies.

marc


Hi:

I agree with you, but on this subject i prefer give relevance to the par=
ticipation of people in a fight journey, because i live in a reality charac=
terized by apathy and indifference. I think what happaned in the last satar=
day, could be a good start for something, at least to shake the society any=
way. The present tragedy is any common man knowing what's going on and at s=
ame time, do nothing to change this state of things. We can discuss how it =
will be possible: with infiltrating elements, by simulation strategies, wit=
h autonomous zones, etc, etc. But, yes, there are the failure of people the=
mselves to get together! Years ago, i felt in my skin this indifference. An=
d it's a kind of fear to face the problems and claim answers for it. I was =
the speaking-trumpet of a dwellers commission and we had fighting against a=
new road, that was builded through our homes. We wrote hundreads of letter=
s, we gave interviews for radio and television. The project of the road was=
made 40 years ago, when any house was there! Today, on this area, living 3=
00 people! Some of them, with a road that take across 4, 5 meters of their =
rooms. All of this in the protected area of a medieval cloister, that's cla=
ssified as Unesco monument! We can ask: how can such thing happen? I tell y=
ou why: because people had fear, when the threat arrived in forme of anonym=
ous menaces, to me and other elements more active. But the worse threat aga=
inst us, was the indifference and less and less people took part on the com=
mission, as time goes by. At the end, i staid alone to face the bull and wi=
th a process on the Court of Justice, that continues, i ignore until when..=
. That's what happen when people don't get together until the end!

Joao
[email protected]

—– Original Message —–
From: "marc.garrett" <[email protected]>
To: "Joao Pedro" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: ANTI WAR ART


> Hi there Joao,
>
> I think that one of the most obvious things that has come out of this (=
for
> western nations), is that the governments who claim the 'badge' of
democracy
> are in fact trapped by corporations dictating their motions, thus not
> listening to their civilians needs. Not unusual for any country of cour=
se,
> which kind of tells us that we are either a long way from such utopian
> desires of democratic reasonings within societal structures, or that we=
as
> civilians need to chose alternative strategies somehow. For instance
> anti-corporate spies of whom are willing to dismantle their powers via
> sabotage, this could be done in a non violent way; finding patrons who
wish
> for the same thing. Creating 'robin Hood' type business execs infiltrat=
ing
> these corrupt businesses from the inside.
>
> This is what the marches seem to reflect to me, plus many other things
about
> the failure of people themselves to get together until now. People need=
to
> take the media, insitutions, reclaim it back and start something new…
>
> marc
>
>
> > 4.000.000 in Spain!
> >
> > 100.000 in Lisbon!
> >
> > Today, people from all over the world, desmonstrated to the power
liders,
> > what democracy is in reality: fight action, direct participation, to
have
> > voice in political decisions. The governements of Spain and Portugal,
they
> > couldn't take any more resolutions against the people's will. They n=
eed
> to
> > respect the wish of peace, from their respective countrys. Today, it'=
s a
> > memorable day. And i think before that, world can't really change!
> > Everything is possible, even what seems impossible some time!
> >
> >
> > Joao
> > [email protected]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: "marc.garrett" <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 4:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: ANTI WAR ART
> >
> >
> > > 2 Million in hyde Park right now..against the war
> > >
> > >
> > > Now if Bush/Blair do not listen we know that they should be got rid
off
> > and
> > > replaced with decent civilians who give a danm baout humanity.
> > >
> > > 2 million in Italty against the War - right now…
> > >
> > > marc - I'm going back out gain, a greatv day.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > http://www.furtherfield.org
> > > http://www.furthernoise.org
> > > http://www.dido.uk.net
> > > We Can Make Our Own World.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > newsgrist will be at the non-march (very shortly), spy cam in han=
d.
> > > >
> > > > best,
> > > > j
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
> > > > -> post: [email protected]
> > > > -> questions: [email protected]
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
>
>
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Hey Mark
By far the biggest protest i've ever been in.
Very peaceful for the most part.
People as far as the the eye could see.
These photos were taken this afternoon at around 66th and 1st.
We made it to about to 56th before it stopped moving.

It was a very important day for the movement.
Look forward to hearing about London.
Cheers
Lee

on 2/15/03 11:01 AM, marc.garrett at [email protected] wrote:

> Go for it Lee - its mad over here in the UK
>
> marc
>
>
> http://www.furtherfield.org
> http://www.furthernoise.org
> http://www.dido.uk.net
> We Can Make Our Own World.
>
>
>
>> Downloadable posters and flyers in support of the anti war movement
>>
>> http://www.leewells.org/antiwar
>>
>>
>> See you all at the march this afternoon
>> UNITED NATIONS PLAZA.
>>
>> Power to the People
>> Make Art Not War
>>
>> Cheers
>> Lee
>>
>> + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
>> -> post: [email protected]
>> -> questions: [email protected]
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>>
>
>

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