There was a big surge in Rhizome membership and web site traffic in
September. Here are the numbers:
+ Membership increased 18% in Sept. to 17,001
+ Total web hits increased 40% to 10,226,441
+ Vists to the web site increased 14% to 115,608
Wow!
Ten Million Hits
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On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Mark Tribe wrote:
>
> There was a big surge in Rhizome membership and web site traffic in
> September. Here are the numbers:
>
> + Membership increased 18% in Sept. to 17,001
> + Total web hits increased 40% to 10,226,441
> + Vists to the web site increased 14% to 115,608
>
> Wow!
So much for the silly theories of 'all the people
leaving' because of a poster (me)–so, when will
that idiotic assumption, typically used as bullying
technique evaporate from human brains?!
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>> + Membership increased 18% in Sept. to 17,001
>> + Total web hits increased 40% to 10,226,441
>> + Vists to the web site increased 14% to 115,608
>>
>> Wow!
>
> So much for the silly theories of 'all the people
> leaving' because of a poster (me)–so, when will
> that idiotic assumption, typically used as bullying
> technique evaporate from human brains?!
My dear Karei, no matter how it may stroke your ego to believe otherwise,
visits to the Rhizome web site and people joining from same can have nothing
whatsoever to do with your activity or otherwise on this list. See: one is a
mailing list, the other is a web site. Get it? Cheers, Ivan
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Ivan Pope wrote:
> My dear Karei,
I am not your 'dear' idiot. Shove your pathos up your own arse.
> no matter how it may stroke your ego to believe otherwise,
I neither have an ego, nor engage in 'beliefs'.
This, baby, is your OWN mode of behavior–and observe it–
nicely–'no matter how much you'd like to stroke your ego
and believe yourself to be an authority on issues regarding the ego–
you're little but an ignorant, egotistical, conceited ape'.
> visits to the Rhizome web site and people joining from same can have nothing
> whatsoever to do with your activity or otherwise on this list.
Which is what I was saying.
+ am perfectly aware of the 'perceived' distinction between
rhizome-l and rhizome–which is little but a concensory
hallucination of a classification with no bearance on reality.
Come back when you're not illiterate.
And your derogatory remarks are little but a self-destructive
masochistic impulse going out of control.
Sod off, hammerboy–and take your dumbass commentaries with you.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
Mark wrote:
> + Total web hits increased 40% to 10,226,441
Congrats all.
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ivan, that was hillllarious. i loved the tone of your reply … although i am
sure he didn't get it.
in my opinion, he can only see words and simple sentences (i don't think
english is not his primary language) … which would also explain why he
misinterprets so much.
he thinks he can destroy an idea by de-constructing individual words (within a
paragraph or essay). its a very immature form of literary critique. his
reading comprehension skills are at a highschool level.
david goldschmidt
> >> + Membership increased 18% in Sept. to 17,001
> >> + Total web hits increased 40% to 10,226,441
> >> + Vists to the web site increased 14% to 115,608
> >>
> >> Wow!
> >
> > So much for the silly theories of 'all the people
> > leaving' because of a poster (me)–so, when will
> > that idiotic assumption, typically used as bullying
> > technique evaporate from human brains?!
> My dear Karei, no matter how it may stroke your ego to believe otherwise,
> visits to the Rhizome web site and people joining from same can have nothing
> whatsoever to do with your activity or otherwise on this list. See: one is a
> mailing list, the other is a web site. Get it? Cheers, Ivan
>
> + the Patty Winters show this morning was about Real-Life Rambos.
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
Nah Karei's multilingual, sharp as a tack, layin' down heavy heat, soldiers
deserve soldiers ma'am (Kurt Russell).
He's on about communal hallucinations too Dave. Besides unlike the everyday
oppressor-bureaucrat, he has no ulterior agenda that I can see.
He ain't in the SAME trough at leastest.
Ivan, I was cogitating on the linkage too–w/o Death the stats coulda gone
to 11. Thus arguably, Raw is either irrelevant to the Org or just a
politely censored antechamber or fartfest. Yet censorship is all we have
left nowdays, so who gives a damn. Not I.
Jacob van Ranglin
++
>From: [email protected]
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: Ivan Pope <[email protected]>, Mark Tribe <[email protected]>,
><[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
>Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:55:22 US/Eastern
>
>ivan, that was hillllarious. i loved the tone of your reply … although i
>am
>sure he didn't get it.
>
>in my opinion, he can only see words and simple sentences (i don't think
>english is not his primary language) … which would also explain why he
>misinterprets so much.
>
>he thinks he can destroy an idea by de-constructing individual words
>(within a
>paragraph or essay). its a very immature form of literary critique. his
>reading comprehension skills are at a highschool level.
>
>
>
>david goldschmidt
>
>
> > >> + Membership increased 18% in Sept. to 17,001
> > >> + Total web hits increased 40% to 10,226,441
> > >> + Vists to the web site increased 14% to 115,608
> > >>
> > >> Wow!
> > >
> > > So much for the silly theories of 'all the people
> > > leaving' because of a poster (me)–so, when will
> > > that idiotic assumption, typically used as bullying
> > > technique evaporate from human brains?!
> > My dear Karei, no matter how it may stroke your ego to believe
>otherwise,
> > visits to the Rhizome web site and people joining from same can have
>nothing
> > whatsoever to do with your activity or otherwise on this list. See: one
>is a
> > mailing list, the other is a web site. Get it? Cheers, Ivan
> >
> > + the Patty Winters show this morning was about Real-Life Rambos.
> > -> post: [email protected]
> > -> questions: [email protected]
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > +
> > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
>
>
>+ the Patty Winters show this morning was about Real-Life Rambos.
>-> post: [email protected]
>-> questions: [email protected]
>-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>+
>Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
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On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Ivan Pope wrote:
> :) When you are in a hole, stop digging. Cheers, Ivan
Except for dear, I am not in a hole–and your derogatory wishful
projection-bullying–which is ALL that you are capable of doing–
down to fucking your wife–applies to you and you only.
So, sod off, hammerhead.
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 [email protected] wrote:
> ivan, that was hillllarious. i loved the tone of your reply … although i am
> sure he didn't get it.
Oh right. Because I don't play along with his imbecility, 'I don't get
it'. The new common sense-elitism.
> in my opinion,
Which is worth zero.
> he can only see words and simple sentences
Wishful derogatory projection + absolutely false.
> (i don't think
> english is not his primary language) … which would also explain why he
> misinterprets so much.
I don't misinterpret anything luv. None of you have anactual
understanding of what you are DOING when you are LANGUAGING.
Besides the drivel programmed in your brains, that is.
> he thinks he can destroy an idea by de-constructing individual words
I think nothing of the sort. In fact, I don't think.
Your myopic misinterpretations of what Ido are drivel.
And your 'ideas' are little but brain-born chimeras.
> its a very immature form of literary critique.
Wishful derogatory projection.
It's neither critique, nor literary, nor even anywhere within the area.
You've gota LONG way to go before you can hear what I'm doing, luv.
> his
> reading comprehension skills are at a highschool level.
Dearest–you're talking about yourself.
'reading comprehension'–that term only has meaning to someone whose
head has been fucked over by a destructive educational system.
Looks like in your particular case they run over your head
multile times.
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Max Herman wrote:
> He's on about communal hallucinations too Dave.
Yeah except for I'm not parroting the concept as is
ever so fashionable–a flat activity being passed on
as the real thing.
Not everyone who talks about Jesus knows about Jesus.
And there are too many who YAMMER ON about things
that they don't understand. Particularly relevant
to the notion of the disconnection of proper
tradition and removal of old-style leaders–and now that
the shoes are 'empty' every Joe Schmoe is talking about 'it'
and attempting to fill thee shoes.
However. The real ones were removed for a reason.
Yer supposed to be doing something else.
There aren't going to be any 'new' old-style
'leaders'–though I'm not holding my breath
on anyone paying two cents of attention to this :)
> Ivan, I was cogitating on the linkage too–w/o Death the stats coulda gone
> to 11. Thus arguably, Raw is either irrelevant to the Org or just a
> politely censored antechamber or fartfest. Yet censorship is all we have
> left nowdays, so who gives a damn. Not I.
Censorship is largely irrelevant as it's a bit like forbidding
the color RED among blind people.
The reality of things is that humans are 'degenerate' enough that
they're not only illiterate, but can't even speak (language) properly.
That's in inverse proportion to their self-importance.
So ya know. Cripple them, and then sell them free speech.
And democracy. And a cherished illusion of freedom.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
WELCOME TO THE 'OLD BOYS CLUB 'OF RHIZOME
WHERE IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS A SUBJECT -
YOU ARE PERSONALLY ABUSED AND TREATED
BADLY BY THOSE WHO NOT CREATE THEIR
WORK. A Big THANX TO THE RHIZOME TEAM
FOR STANDING UP FOR ONE WANKER, SO THE
MANY HAVE TO SUFFER….THINGS NEED TO
CHANGE - NOW!
MARC GARRETT - FEDUP WITH RHIZOME'S
BLOKE GAMES…
> On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 [email protected] wrote:
>
> > ivan, that was hillllarious. i loved the tone of your reply …
although i am
> > sure he didn't get it.
>
> Oh right. Because I don't play along with his imbecility, 'I don't get
> it'. The new common sense-elitism.
>
> > in my opinion,
>
> Which is worth zero.
>
> > he can only see words and simple sentences
>
> Wishful derogatory projection + absolutely false.
>
> > (i don't think
> > english is not his primary language) … which would also explain why he
> > misinterprets so much.
>
> I don't misinterpret anything luv. None of you have anactual
> understanding of what you are DOING when you are LANGUAGING.
> Besides the drivel programmed in your brains, that is.
>
> > he thinks he can destroy an idea by de-constructing individual words
>
> I think nothing of the sort. In fact, I don't think.
> Your myopic misinterpretations of what Ido are drivel.
> And your 'ideas' are little but brain-born chimeras.
>
> > its a very immature form of literary critique.
>
> Wishful derogatory projection.
> It's neither critique, nor literary, nor even anywhere within the area.
> You've gota LONG way to go before you can hear what I'm doing, luv.
>
> > his
> > reading comprehension skills are at a highschool level.
>
> Dearest–you're talking about yourself.
> 'reading comprehension'–that term only has meaning to someone whose
> head has been fucked over by a destructive educational system.
> Looks like in your particular case they run over your head
> multile times.
>
> + the Patty Winters show this morning was about Real-Life Rambos.
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, furtherfield wrote:
> WELCOME TO THE 'OLD BOYS CLUB 'OF RHIZOME
Oh goodie. Yet another knee-jerk cutout.
You don't even understand what OLD BOYS CLUB
is–you're only pissing your energy away
in some pseudo-rebellious pose.
> WHERE IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS A SUBJECT -
Discussing a subject is an OLD BOYS CLUB trick.
> YOU ARE PERSONALLY ABUSED
No, none of it is PERSONAL.
Nor are you ABUSED–you're abusing yourself.
> AND TREATED BADLY
You are not 'treated badly'.
Get over your diaper-baby 'self'.
> BY THOSE WHO NOT CREATE THEIR WORK.
Sorry baby–I do CREATE my work, and unlike you
I am actually capable of CREATING IT, rather than this make-do
cut & paste masturbatory exercise you attempt to pass on as
'creation'.
> A Big THANX TO THE RHIZOME TEAM
Guilt tripping juvenilia.
> FOR STANDING UP FOR ONE WANKER,
Yes I think SINGULAR WANKERS who do not PRETEND to havea MOB behind
them should be killed off.
Too bad that you're talking about yourself–half-assedly taking the
lone hero stance but pretending you're doing it for 'the good of the
people'–please. You're a baby who cannot handle his own panties,
and passive-aggressively attempting to dictate rhizome policies
by screaming VICTIM and martyring yourself out–and pretending to know
what's 'best for all''–TRULY an OLD BOYS CLUB tactic.
That's why they distribute medals amongst themselves.
> SO THE MANY HAVE TO SUFFER.
Cry me a river, imbecile.
> THINGS NEED TO CHANGE - NOW!
Yes! WE NEED A REVOLUTION: BLOOD GUTS AND MURDER OF THAT 'ONE WANKER'.
JUSTIFIED MURDER AND VICTIMIZATION NOW!! EVERYONE RALLY BEHIND THE GREAT
HUMANITARIAN von FURTHERFIELD NOW!
> MARC GARRETT - FEDUP WITH RHIZOME'S
> BLOKE GAMES…
The only 'bloke games' player here is you baby.
Funny how you attempt to IMPOSE YOUR FRAUDULENT 'AUTHORITY'
in sneakish ways–who? me? No.. I'm not an authority! I just
want everyone to do what I say!
All your 'piddling' 'revolutions' about authority is because
you don't want someone to have the ability to say that you cant
act like an imbecilic 2 yr old and then pass that on as mature and
enlightened art.
And this is the standard mechanism of pseudo-anarchistic
'rebellion'–keep them dense and dumb and ruled by their
mechanical instinctual impulses. Anyone who dares
to point out your pitiful stare with certainty must be 'daddy'
and we all know 'daddys are bad'.
Drivel.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
look, rhizome raw is an unfiltered, unmoderated list and we are committed
to keeping it that way.
we are re-launching rare next week as a moderated version of raw (moderated
by the superusers)
At 05:43 PM 10/9/2002 +0100, furtherfield wrote:
>WELCOME TO THE 'OLD BOYS CLUB 'OF RHIZOME
>WHERE IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS A SUBJECT -
>YOU ARE PERSONALLY ABUSED AND TREATED
>BADLY BY THOSE WHO NOT CREATE THEIR
>WORK. A Big THANX TO THE RHIZOME TEAM
>FOR STANDING UP FOR ONE WANKER, SO THE
>MANY HAVE TO SUFFER….THINGS NEED TO
>CHANGE - NOW!
>
>MARC GARRETT - FEDUP WITH RHIZOME'S
>BLOKE GAMES…
>
> > On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > > ivan, that was hillllarious. i loved the tone of your reply …
>although i am
> > > sure he didn't get it.
> >
> > Oh right. Because I don't play along with his imbecility, 'I don't get
> > it'. The new common sense-elitism.
> >
> > > in my opinion,
> >
> > Which is worth zero.
> >
> > > he can only see words and simple sentences
> >
> > Wishful derogatory projection + absolutely false.
> >
> > > (i don't think
> > > english is not his primary language) … which would also explain why he
> > > misinterprets so much.
> >
> > I don't misinterpret anything luv. None of you have anactual
> > understanding of what you are DOING when you are LANGUAGING.
> > Besides the drivel programmed in your brains, that is.
> >
> > > he thinks he can destroy an idea by de-constructing individual words
> >
> > I think nothing of the sort. In fact, I don't think.
> > Your myopic misinterpretations of what Ido are drivel.
> > And your 'ideas' are little but brain-born chimeras.
> >
> > > its a very immature form of literary critique.
> >
> > Wishful derogatory projection.
> > It's neither critique, nor literary, nor even anywhere within the area.
> > You've gota LONG way to go before you can hear what I'm doing, luv.
> >
> > > his
> > > reading comprehension skills are at a highschool level.
> >
> > Dearest–you're talking about yourself.
> > 'reading comprehension'–that term only has meaning to someone whose
> > head has been fucked over by a destructive educational system.
> > Looks like in your particular case they run over your head
> > multile times.
> >
> > + the Patty Winters show this morning was about Real-Life Rambos.
> > -> post: [email protected]
> > -> questions: [email protected]
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > +
> > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >
> >
>
>
>+ the Patty Winters show this morning was about Real-Life Rambos.
>-> post: [email protected]
>-> questions: [email protected]
>-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>+
>Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
Yet another knee-jerk cutout statement form the BOT…
> On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, furtherfield wrote:
>
> > WELCOME TO THE 'OLD BOYS CLUB 'OF RHIZOME
>
> Oh goodie. Yet another knee-jerk cutout.
> You don't even understand what OLD BOYS CLUB
> is–you're only pissing your energy away
> in some pseudo-rebellious pose.
>
> > WHERE IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS A SUBJECT -
>
> Discussing a subject is an OLD BOYS CLUB trick.
>
> > YOU ARE PERSONALLY ABUSED
>
> No, none of it is PERSONAL.
> Nor are you ABUSED–you're abusing yourself.
>
> > AND TREATED BADLY
>
> You are not 'treated badly'.
> Get over your diaper-baby 'self'.
>
> > BY THOSE WHO NOT CREATE THEIR WORK.
>
> Sorry baby–I do CREATE my work, and unlike you
> I am actually capable of CREATING IT, rather than this make-do
> cut & paste masturbatory exercise you attempt to pass on as
> 'creation'.
>
> > A Big THANX TO THE RHIZOME TEAM
>
> Guilt tripping juvenilia.
>
> > FOR STANDING UP FOR ONE WANKER,
>
> Yes I think SINGULAR WANKERS who do not PRETEND to havea MOB behind
> them should be killed off.
>
> Too bad that you're talking about yourself–half-assedly taking the
> lone hero stance but pretending you're doing it for 'the good of the
> people'–please. You're a baby who cannot handle his own panties,
> and passive-aggressively attempting to dictate rhizome policies
> by screaming VICTIM and martyring yourself out–and pretending to know
> what's 'best for all''–TRULY an OLD BOYS CLUB tactic.
> That's why they distribute medals amongst themselves.
>
>
> > SO THE MANY HAVE TO SUFFER.
>
> Cry me a river, imbecile.
>
> > THINGS NEED TO CHANGE - NOW!
>
>
> Yes! WE NEED A REVOLUTION: BLOOD GUTS AND MURDER OF THAT 'ONE WANKER'.
> JUSTIFIED MURDER AND VICTIMIZATION NOW!! EVERYONE RALLY BEHIND THE GREAT
> HUMANITARIAN von FURTHERFIELD NOW!
>
> > MARC GARRETT - FEDUP WITH RHIZOME'S
> > BLOKE GAMES…
>
> The only 'bloke games' player here is you baby.
>
> Funny how you attempt to IMPOSE YOUR FRAUDULENT 'AUTHORITY'
> in sneakish ways–who? me? No.. I'm not an authority! I just
> want everyone to do what I say!
>
> All your 'piddling' 'revolutions' about authority is because
> you don't want someone to have the ability to say that you cant
> act like an imbecilic 2 yr old and then pass that on as mature and
> enlightened art.
>
> And this is the standard mechanism of pseudo-anarchistic
> 'rebellion'–keep them dense and dumb and ruled by their
> mechanical instinctual impulses. Anyone who dares
> to point out your pitiful stare with certainty must be 'daddy'
> and we all know 'daddys are bad'.
>
> Drivel.
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>
>
Quoting furtherfield <[email protected]>:
> WELCOME TO THE 'OLD BOYS CLUB 'OF RHIZOME
> WHERE IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS A SUBJECT -
> YOU ARE PERSONALLY ABUSED AND TREATED
> BADLY BY THOSE WHO NOT CREATE THEIR
> WORK. A Big THANX TO THE RHIZOME TEAM
> FOR STANDING UP FOR ONE WANKER, SO THE
> MANY HAVE TO SUFFER….THINGS NEED TO
> CHANGE - NOW!
>
> MARC GARRETT - FEDUP WITH RHIZOME'S
> BLOKE GAMES…
Mark, I sense that he is not out to abuse people for his jollies. And if you
stand back, you can see that he uses essentially the same non-flattering terms
for everyone; and as such, that he is not making personal attacks. Just
extremely blunt criticism within a pretty specific domain of language,
consciousness, awareness, and social structure. I would not be in favor of
censoring him. However, perhaps there should be a starter pack for every
Rhizomer that helps take the sting away.
Anyway, that is my take on it, but I am just a farmer monkey who can barely
read or write, so what do I know? :)
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, furtherfield wrote:
> Yet another knee-jerk cutout statement form the BOT…
No dear, parroting of my words doesn't give you any authority
or qualifications to understand–or say those things validly.
You're simply engaging in more juvenile, masturbatory
finger-pointing..and talking about yourself.
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, marc.garrett wrote:
> You're pretty hung up on this word
I am not hung up on anything, least of all words.
Your wishful derogatory projections are little but
murderous impulses due to your inability to handle reality.
> - authority -
Actually the one 'hung up' about the word is you–hence you knee
jerk evey time it's brought up.
> plus you repeat many words
No dearest. I don't repeat words.
I use words as are appropriate.
In many cases as relevant–they're the same outwardly.
I suggest you try re-reading what I said.
PARROTING is not what appears as 'repeating' to you.
In your flat myopic perception of the world, no doubt
the change of seasons brings the SAME season again, ne?
This spring is the same as last spring. EXACTLY.
> - BOT.
The only one a bot here is you, luv.
Until you deal with your shell you're not capable of perceptions
outside of 'yourself'.
Pat,pat.
you sound like some little boy…
> On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, marc.garrett wrote:
>
> > You're pretty hung up on this word
>
> I am not hung up on anything, least of all words.
> Your wishful derogatory projections are little but
> murderous impulses due to your inability to handle reality.
>
> > - authority -
>
> Actually the one 'hung up' about the word is you–hence you knee
> jerk evey time it's brought up.
>
> > plus you repeat many words
>
> No dearest. I don't repeat words.
> I use words as are appropriate.
> In many cases as relevant–they're the same outwardly.
>
> I suggest you try re-reading what I said.
> PARROTING is not what appears as 'repeating' to you.
>
> In your flat myopic perception of the world, no doubt
> the change of seasons brings the SAME season again, ne?
> This spring is the same as last spring. EXACTLY.
>
> > - BOT.
>
> The only one a bot here is you, luv.
> Until you deal with your shell you're not capable of perceptions
> outside of 'yourself'.
>
> Pat,pat.
>
>
>
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist] wrote:
> However, perhaps there should be a starter pack for every Rhizomer
> that helps take the sting away.
= censorship + murder.
> Anyway, that is my take on it, but I am just a farmer monkey who can barely
> read or write, so what do I know? :)
Precis. You wouldn't be suggesting the 'taking of stings away'
if you were not an impotent butcher :)
i don't know joseph … the guy is very violent with his words. you and max
may have the want to suffer his attacks but some may stop contributing to
the list. there's your censorship. people not speaking up and engaging in
conversation out of fear. afraid of being verbally assaulted by an asswipe
with a mesiah complex.
i'm not in favor of Rhizome censoring him either (i just don't read his
posts anymore) but i do believe his abusive and violent words keep some from
sharing their thoughts and ideas … and that is censorship.
david goldschmidt
—– Original Message —–
From: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
<[email protected]>
To: "furtherfield" <[email protected]>; "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+"
<[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>; "Mark Tribe" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
Quoting furtherfield <[email protected]>:
> WELCOME TO THE 'OLD BOYS CLUB 'OF RHIZOME
> WHERE IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS A SUBJECT -
> YOU ARE PERSONALLY ABUSED AND TREATED
> BADLY BY THOSE WHO NOT CREATE THEIR
> WORK. A Big THANX TO THE RHIZOME TEAM
> FOR STANDING UP FOR ONE WANKER, SO THE
> MANY HAVE TO SUFFER….THINGS NEED TO
> CHANGE - NOW!
>
> MARC GARRETT - FEDUP WITH RHIZOME'S
> BLOKE GAMES…
Mark, I sense that he is not out to abuse people for his jollies. And if
you
stand back, you can see that he uses essentially the same non-flattering
terms
for everyone; and as such, that he is not making personal attacks. Just
extremely blunt criticism within a pretty specific domain of language,
consciousness, awareness, and social structure. I would not be in favor of
censoring him. However, perhaps there should be a starter pack for every
Rhizomer that helps take the sting away.
Anyway, that is my take on it, but I am just a farmer monkey who can barely
read or write, so what do I know? :)
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]T
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Hello David,
I would just like to say that, I do have issue with this character but I
want to stay on Raw and I do not wish it to change. And if it gets a bit not
to my liking - may be I should just let it be what it is and not what I
think it should be. So if Karei is going to carry on here, may be a kind of
psychological observance would be more appropriate for me - study this
interaction. Strange & interesting times that we are all living in - and it
is possibly more important that Rhizome gets my support and not an angry
opinion. If one compares the energy and all the other stuff such as a
website/lists & commissions for artists/non artists - artbase, dedicated
crew - to the issue of what has been happening on the list here; then one
has to wake up and see the larger picture. I take back what I said, will
carry with my stuff and let what is - alone. nuffsaid…
marc
> i don't know joseph … the guy is very violent with his words. you and
max
> may have the want to suffer his attacks but some may stop contributing to
> the list. there's your censorship. people not speaking up and engaging
in
> conversation out of fear. afraid of being verbally assaulted by an
asswipe
> with a mesiah complex.
>
> i'm not in favor of Rhizome censoring him either (i just don't read his
> posts anymore) but i do believe his abusive and violent words keep some
from
> sharing their thoughts and ideas … and that is censorship.
>
> david goldschmidt
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
> <[email protected]>
> To: "furtherfield" <[email protected]>; "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+"
> <[email protected]>
> Cc: <[email protected]>; "Mark Tribe" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 3:55 PM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
>
>
> Quoting furtherfield <[email protected]>:
>
> > WELCOME TO THE 'OLD BOYS CLUB 'OF RHIZOME
> > WHERE IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS A SUBJECT -
> > YOU ARE PERSONALLY ABUSED AND TREATED
> > BADLY BY THOSE WHO NOT CREATE THEIR
> > WORK. A Big THANX TO THE RHIZOME TEAM
> > FOR STANDING UP FOR ONE WANKER, SO THE
> > MANY HAVE TO SUFFER….THINGS NEED TO
> > CHANGE - NOW!
> >
> > MARC GARRETT - FEDUP WITH RHIZOME'S
> > BLOKE GAMES…
>
> Mark, I sense that he is not out to abuse people for his jollies. And if
> you
> stand back, you can see that he uses essentially the same non-flattering
> terms
> for everyone; and as such, that he is not making personal attacks. Just
> extremely blunt criticism within a pretty specific domain of language,
> consciousness, awareness, and social structure. I would not be in favor
of
> censoring him. However, perhaps there should be a starter pack for every
> Rhizomer that helps take the sting away.
>
> Anyway, that is my take on it, but I am just a farmer monkey who can
barely
> read or write, so what do I know? :)
>
> –
> Joseph Franklyn McElroy
> Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]T
> Take the survey they are all talking about…
> http://www.electrichands.com/genius2000
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>
>
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>
Quoting David Goldschmidt <[email protected]>:
> i don't know joseph … the guy is very violent with his words. you and max
> may have the want to suffer his attacks but some may stop contributing to
> the list. there's your censorship. people not speaking up and engaging in
> conversation out of fear. afraid of being verbally assaulted by an asswipe
> with a mesiah complex.
>
> i'm not in favor of Rhizome censoring him either (i just don't read his
> posts anymore) but i do believe his abusive and violent words keep some from
> sharing their thoughts and ideas … and that is censorship.
I would perhaps agree with you if there was an organized effort by several
people to shut up others using abusive language, but self-censorship in the
face of a whithering criticism by one person seems a little weak-willed. Like
you said, you can stop reading him and go on.
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:
> = censorship + murder.
>
Who me? Naw, talk all you want - I meant it as a funny metaphor to express the
concept of giving new posters to Rhizome a warning that sometimes the
discussion can be very pointed and brutal.
> Precis. You wouldn't be suggesting the 'taking of stings away'
> if you were not an impotent butcher :)
taking of sting away = lessening the emotional impact of brutal criticism
Ten million emails is more like it…don't involve me in your A + B
conversations…
Quoting [email protected]:
> Ten million emails is more like it…don't involve me in your A + B
> conversations…
What use does a bird have for mathematics?
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
> Quoting David Goldschmidt <[email protected]>:
> > >
> > > > i don't know joseph … the guy is very violent with his words.
> >
> > I am not violent. I am not sugar coated, that's all.
>
> kandy is inside the coat
not always … sometimes the core is bitter
>
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On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Max Herman wrote:
> I'm awake.
Wrong. And you won't awake until you keep thinking that you are.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, David Goldschmidt wrote:
> not always … sometimes the core is bitter
Bldsfjsjhfgj ?
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:
> On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance]
> Art[ist] wrote:
>
> > Yes, and I'll let you
>
> No dearest. You will not 'let me'. What I do is not a matter of your
> 'allowance'.
You are quite correct, as a figure of speech it was incorrect to use "let
you". I should have stated clearly that I would not attempt to prevent you,
which I could try, though the result of that attempt cannot be determined at
this time.
>
> > march around protesting abortion if you want to,
>
> I am not 'protesting' nor would I protest anything.
Thanks for clarifying that you do not want to protest abortion.
>
> > but I wouldn't let you stick a dead fetus under the nose of my mother.
>
> Try and catch me first. Though I'm not sure why you involve your mother
> in this–if sticking a dead fetus would somehow-miracuolously–wake her
> up, and if it was up to me to do it, I'd do it. You don't own your
> mother, and she's not a helpless defenseless twit. Though your mother is
> a female, and I doubt dead fetuses would startle her much, if she's
> in touch with her being FEMALE.
A taunt? "Try and catch me first"? Do you expect me to puff up my chest and
say "Uga Uga"? I am well aware of my protective impulses and the problematic
management of them. Where to draw the line in defense of others? Do I stand
aside as an unaware old lady falls victim to an unaware busdriver?
>
> > > What are you gonna do next? Stick signs in the amazonian jungle–beware
> > > there are snakes around?
> >
> > Yes, and if my children live nearby, I would put up a fence. No guilt.
>
> Guilt? Wasn't implying anything of the sort. However, that is not a way
> to raise children. You'll cause them to grow up helpless victims, and
> never to wake up. Don't take that as an advocation to throw children to
> piranhas. But you're advocating dearest, maintaining humans on thwe
> level of sedated two year olds. That ain't gonna help them at all, cuz
> the more asleep they are, the more Nature will smack them–and a harder
> life they'll have–and finally they'll die weaklings.
No old boy, in that original statement about "take the sting away" did you
notice the smiley face :) ? How else do I convey amusement at a thought in
email? Do you find it reprehensible that I find amusement in people being
frightened by harsh words and being given a starter kit from a "Welcome to the
Neighborhood Committee" like those two gay guys in American Beauty? What if I
mix sadness in as well? Can you laugh at situations that make you sad?
> With strawberry jam. You suffer from pseudo-patriarchality that
> victimizes all that it touches on. So righteous.
And I am pompous also, or so I have been told. Are you perfect? If not, what
are your imperfections?
As for victimization, I think that people who fall victim to pseudo-
patriarchality have been faked into victimizing themselves.
>
> Maybe you should go take a look at real shamanism, cuz
> then you'll glean that females are the stronger of the teo sexes,
> and yer mommy don't need yer protection.
What is this care for the strength of a sex?
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
joseph wrote–
"I would perhaps agree with you if there was an organized effort by several
people to shut up others using abusive language, but self-censorship in the
face of a whithering criticism by one person seems a little weak-willed.
Like
you said, you can stop reading him and go on."
"whithering criticism"???? i don't think so. more like self-righteous,
ego-centric bullshit.
tell me this joseph (and max) … how is it possible to discuss larger, more
complex ideas with someone that is just deconstructing your word choice. i
mean, written communication is far from perfect. words have multiple
meanings, nuances … how is it possible to discuss an issue with someone
that is reacting/responding out of context.
humans are emotional creatures … and art/writing is an expression of the
way one sees the world, ones reaction to the world, et cetera. there are
VERY FEW WRITERS with the skill to perfectly/precisely communicate their
thoughts, ideas, emotions in written form.
and who is he going to "awaken" if people are too afraid to speak up and
engage in conversation. the "awakening" process requires an open mind,
trust and interaction (between a teacher and a student). what student would
listen to rants of this sadist.
david goldschmidt
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]T
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On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, furtherfield wrote:
> Max - are you assuming that I am asleep?
You are asleep. It's no assumption.
Though I can't speak for Max of course.
Nor would I :)
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
—– Original Message —–
From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
To: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
<[email protected]>
Cc: "David Goldschmidt" <[email protected]>; "furtherfield"
<[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; "Mark Tribe" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
> > Quoting David Goldschmidt <[email protected]>:
> >
> > > i don't know joseph … the guy is very violent with his words.
>
> I am not violent. I am not sugar coated, that's all.
kandy is inside the coat
Socrates said he was a gadfly trying to wake up the sleeping polis.
>From: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
><[email protected]>
>Reply-To: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
><[email protected]>
>To: furtherfield <[email protected]>, "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+"
><[email protected]>
>CC: [email protected], Mark Tribe <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
>Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:55:44 -0400
>
>Quoting furtherfield <[email protected]>:
>
> > WELCOME TO THE 'OLD BOYS CLUB 'OF RHIZOME
> > WHERE IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS A SUBJECT -
> > YOU ARE PERSONALLY ABUSED AND TREATED
> > BADLY BY THOSE WHO NOT CREATE THEIR
> > WORK. A Big THANX TO THE RHIZOME TEAM
> > FOR STANDING UP FOR ONE WANKER, SO THE
> > MANY HAVE TO SUFFER….THINGS NEED TO
> > CHANGE - NOW!
> >
> > MARC GARRETT - FEDUP WITH RHIZOME'S
> > BLOKE GAMES…
>
>Mark, I sense that he is not out to abuse people for his jollies. And if
>you
>stand back, you can see that he uses essentially the same non-flattering
>terms
>for everyone; and as such, that he is not making personal attacks. Just
>extremely blunt criticism within a pretty specific domain of language,
>consciousness, awareness, and social structure. I would not be in favor of
>censoring him. However, perhaps there should be a starter pack for every
>Rhizomer that helps take the sting away.
>
>Anyway, that is my take on it, but I am just a farmer monkey who can barely
>read or write, so what do I know? :)
>
>–
>Joseph Franklyn McElroy
>Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
Max - are you assuming that I am asleep?
marc
>
>
> Socrates said he was a gadfly trying to wake up the sleeping polis.
>
>
> >From: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
> ><[email protected]>
> >Reply-To: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
> ><[email protected]>
> >To: furtherfield <[email protected]>, "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+"
> ><[email protected]>
> >CC: [email protected], Mark Tribe <[email protected]>
> >Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
> >Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:55:44 -0400
> >
> >Quoting furtherfield <[email protected]>:
> >
> > > WELCOME TO THE 'OLD BOYS CLUB 'OF RHIZOME
> > > WHERE IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS A SUBJECT -
> > > YOU ARE PERSONALLY ABUSED AND TREATED
> > > BADLY BY THOSE WHO NOT CREATE THEIR
> > > WORK. A Big THANX TO THE RHIZOME TEAM
> > > FOR STANDING UP FOR ONE WANKER, SO THE
> > > MANY HAVE TO SUFFER….THINGS NEED TO
> > > CHANGE - NOW!
> > >
> > > MARC GARRETT - FEDUP WITH RHIZOME'S
> > > BLOKE GAMES…
> >
> >Mark, I sense that he is not out to abuse people for his jollies. And if
> >you
> >stand back, you can see that he uses essentially the same non-flattering
> >terms
> >for everyone; and as such, that he is not making personal attacks. Just
> >extremely blunt criticism within a pretty specific domain of language,
> >consciousness, awareness, and social structure. I would not be in favor
of
> >censoring him. However, perhaps there should be a starter pack for every
> >Rhizomer that helps take the sting away.
> >
> >Anyway, that is my take on it, but I am just a farmer monkey who can
barely
> >read or write, so what do I know? :)
> >
> >–
> >Joseph Franklyn McElroy
> >Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]T
> >Take the survey they are all talking about…
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, furtherfield wrote:
> you sound like some little boy…
Not even remotely. Got any more self-debasing masochistic
pseudo-anarchist poses?
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 [email protected] wrote:
> Who me? Naw, talk all you want - I meant it as a funny metaphor to express the
> concept of giving new posters to Rhizome a warning that sometimes the
> discussion can be very pointed and brutal.
I am not just talking.
> taking of sting away = lessening the emotional impact of brutal
> criticism
The emotional impact is part of the package.
It's backhanded attempt at censorship.
What are you gonna do next? Stick signs in the amazonian jungle–beware
there are snakes around?
Only a farmer attempts to mediate natural lifeforms.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
I will stay in Raw, thank you very much! I refuse participate in a list
filtered by superusers.
FREE OF EXPRESSION TO ALL, WITH NO RESTRICTIONS!
Joao Pedro
[email protected]
—– Original Message —–
From: "Mark Tribe" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
> look, rhizome raw is an unfiltered, unmoderated list and we are committed
> to keeping it that way.
>
> we are re-launching rare next week as a moderated version of raw
(moderated
> by the superusers)
>
> At 05:43 PM 10/9/2002 +0100, furtherfield wrote:
> >WELCOME TO THE 'OLD BOYS CLUB 'OF RHIZOME
> >WHERE IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS A SUBJECT -
> >YOU ARE PERSONALLY ABUSED AND TREATED
> >BADLY BY THOSE WHO NOT CREATE THEIR
> >WORK. A Big THANX TO THE RHIZOME TEAM
> >FOR STANDING UP FOR ONE WANKER, SO THE
> >MANY HAVE TO SUFFER….THINGS NEED TO
> >CHANGE - NOW!
> >
> >MARC GARRETT - FEDUP WITH RHIZOME'S
> >BLOKE GAMES…
> >
> > > On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 [email protected] wrote:
> > >
> > > > ivan, that was hillllarious. i loved the tone of your reply …
> >although i am
> > > > sure he didn't get it.
> > >
> > > Oh right. Because I don't play along with his imbecility, 'I don't
get
> > > it'. The new common sense-elitism.
> > >
> > > > in my opinion,
> > >
> > > Which is worth zero.
> > >
> > > > he can only see words and simple sentences
> > >
> > > Wishful derogatory projection + absolutely false.
> > >
> > > > (i don't think
> > > > english is not his primary language) … which would also explain
why he
> > > > misinterprets so much.
> > >
> > > I don't misinterpret anything luv. None of you have anactual
> > > understanding of what you are DOING when you are LANGUAGING.
> > > Besides the drivel programmed in your brains, that is.
> > >
> > > > he thinks he can destroy an idea by de-constructing individual words
> > >
> > > I think nothing of the sort. In fact, I don't think.
> > > Your myopic misinterpretations of what Ido are drivel.
> > > And your 'ideas' are little but brain-born chimeras.
> > >
> > > > its a very immature form of literary critique.
> > >
> > > Wishful derogatory projection.
> > > It's neither critique, nor literary, nor even anywhere within the
area.
> > > You've gota LONG way to go before you can hear what I'm doing, luv.
> > >
> > > > his
> > > > reading comprehension skills are at a highschool level.
> > >
> > > Dearest–you're talking about yourself.
> > > 'reading comprehension'–that term only has meaning to someone whose
> > > head has been fucked over by a destructive educational system.
> > > Looks like in your particular case they run over your head
> > > multile times.
> > >
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Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:
>
> The emotional impact is part of the package.
> It's backhanded attempt at censorship.
Yes, and I'll let you march around protesting abortion if you want to, but I
wouldn't let you stick a dead fetus under the nose of my mother.
>
> What are you gonna do next? Stick signs in the amazonian jungle–beware
> there are snakes around?
Yes, and if my children live nearby, I would put up a fence. No guilt.
>
> Only a farmer attempts to mediate natural lifeforms.
Nuff said.
–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
Not at the moment - teach me daddy bot..
marc
> On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, furtherfield wrote:
>
> > you sound like some little boy…
>
> Not even remotely. Got any more self-debasing masochistic
> pseudo-anarchist poses?
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>
>
> Quoting David Goldschmidt <[email protected]>:
>
> > i don't know joseph … the guy is very violent with his words.
I am not violent. I am not sugar coated, that's all.
> you and max may have the want to suffer his attacks
They are not suffering anything, as I do not damage anyone.
If anyone does 'suffer' it is for other reasons, not insignificantly
the human habit of wallowing in pain–AND blaming someone else for it,
of which you're 'guilty' in spades.
A few years ago I observed a gang of kids who went and stuck their hands
in a large grove of very tall nettles, and having been stung, ran away
screaming and then came back with sticks and beat up the nettle plants.
If you want to see real violence, take Mr. Joseph here who attempts
to feed off of perceived people's 'problems' by pretending to be a
bandage and solicits every person as a 2 bit whore.
Then go and turn the mirror on yourself with your cries for
forceful and violent appropriation of other people's visual work.
And finally take a good look at the 'art world' that you try to
subscribe yourself to–a bunch of petulent immature dictatorial
babies, who cannot handle themselves and moreso refuse the
responsibility of doing so, transferring and projecting their
own idiocy on others and proceeding with their 'justified murder'
art revolution–when in fact they have the talent, understanding,
capability and intelligence of a less than developed ape, meanwhile
attempting to appropriate virtues, glory, authority and status of a
real artist–something they are not even remotely close to–and
in the proces muscling their way in, without any responsibility to
anyone or anything, bloating their egos out of control and crushing
all life around them until finally exploding into 'stars'–
the kind of black holes that hang over all of humanity's heads
and leech energy like the black holes that they are.
You want me to write Shakespearean sonnets about these piles of shit?
> but some may stop contributing to the list.
When did they START contributing?
> there's your censorship.
This is not CENSORSHIP. This is passive-aggressive bitches
attempting censorship by refusing to wriggle their hips.
I_ nor anyone else is responsible for their choosing to be cowardly
dogs. This is the epitome of lazy-ass suckers who refuse to work
on themselves, abrogate responsibility for their own actions,
and if they pee in their diapers it's somebody ELSE's fault.
Guess what? It isn't.
> people not speaking up and engaging in conversation out of fear.
Their fear is their own problem dearest. I do not cause that fear.
They choose to indulge in it.
> afraid of being verbally assaulted
The only one verbally assaulting here is you, dah-ling.
What I write is not an assault. It's the unpleasant truth
about yourselves that you don't want to acknowledge.
> by an asswipe
The only asswipe here is you, luv.
> > with a mesiah complex.
As above. If you paid two cents worth of attention you'd have noticed
that I have no messiah inclinations or complexes AT ALL. Avoid project
ing your own imbecility on my luv.
> > i'm not in favor of Rhizome censoring him either (i just don't read his
> > posts anymore)
Anymore? You never read them to begin with. All you're doing is an
idiotic MESSIAH COMPLEX I want to save the poor afraid lambs pose.
> but i do believe his abusive and violent words
My words dearest are neither abusive, nor violent.
You're attempting to project your own imbecility
On what I do. What I do is exactly what I do.
Not what you WISH to misrepresent it as.
Keep your myopic masturbatory childish 'observations'
to yourself.
> keep some from sharing their thoughts and ideas
Twittish idiocy. Sharing their thoughts and ideas? You mean engorging
their pathetic egos?
> … and that is censorship.
No, it isn't.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 [email protected] wrote:
> Ten million emails is more like it…don't involve me in your A + B
> conversations…
A+B conversations? What is it that you wrote, you think?
And A + B knee-jerk. And an A + B pose of abrogation of self
-responsibility (don't involve me). Did anyone force you
to type the above? It don't get much more A + B than that
self-important conceited pose, and underhanded attempt at
controlling others.
A + B. Pure and simple. A gift from Nature.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist] wrote:
> Yes, and I'll let you
No dearest. You will not 'let me'. What I do is not a matter of your
'allowance'.
> march around protesting abortion if you want to,
I am not 'protesting' nor would I protest anything.
> but I wouldn't let you stick a dead fetus under the nose of my mother.
Try and catch me first. Though I'm not sure why you involve your mother
in this–if sticking a dead fetus would somehow-miracuolously–wake her
up, and if it was up to me to do it, I'd do it. You don't own your
mother, and she's not a helpless defenseless twit. Though your mother is
a female, and I doubt dead fetuses would startle her much, if she's
in touch with her being FEMALE.
> > What are you gonna do next? Stick signs in the amazonian jungle–beware
> > there are snakes around?
>
> Yes, and if my children live nearby, I would put up a fence. No guilt.
Guilt? Wasn't implying anything of the sort. However, that is not a way
to raise children. You'll cause them to grow up helpless victims, and
never to wake up. Don't take that as an advocation to throw children to
piranhas. But you're advocating dearest, maintaining humans on thwe
level of sedated two year olds. That ain't gonna help them at all, cuz
the more asleep they are, the more Nature will smack them–and a harder
life they'll have–and finally they'll die weaklings.
> > Only a farmer attempts to mediate natural lifeforms.
>
> Nuff said.
With strawberry jam. You suffer from pseudo-patriarchality that
victimizes all that it touches on. So righteous.
Maybe you should go take a look at real shamanism, cuz
then you'll glean that females are the stronger of the teo sexes,
and yer mommy don't need yer protection.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, furtherfield wrote:
> Not at the moment - teach me daddy bot..
Ask Joseph to do that. He'd be delighted.
I'm neither a bot nor your daddy, baby.
Do you love?
> On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, furtherfield wrote:
>
> > Not at the moment - teach me daddy bot..
>
> Ask Joseph to do that. He'd be delighted.
> I'm neither a bot nor your daddy, baby.
>
>
>
I agree.
lists are lists,
filtered lists are grand ma's bingo tea parties.
restricted lists are dead lists.
–
OG
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—– Original Message —–
From: "Joao Pedro" <[email protected]>
To: "Mark Tribe" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Cc: "Oliveira Pereira" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
>
>
> I will stay in Raw, thank you very much! I refuse participate in a list
> filtered by superusers.
> FREE OF EXPRESSION TO ALL, WITH NO RESTRICTIONS!
>
> Joao Pedro
> [email protected]
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "Mark Tribe" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:36 PM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
>
>
> > look, rhizome raw is an unfiltered, unmoderated list and we are
committed
> > to keeping it that way.
> >
> > we are re-launching rare next week as a moderated version of raw
> (moderated
> > by the superusers)
> >
> > At 05:43 PM 10/9/2002 +0100, furtherfield wrote:
> > >WELCOME TO THE 'OLD BOYS CLUB 'OF RHIZOME
> > >WHERE IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS A SUBJECT -
> > >YOU ARE PERSONALLY ABUSED AND TREATED
> > >BADLY BY THOSE WHO NOT CREATE THEIR
> > >WORK. A Big THANX TO THE RHIZOME TEAM
> > >FOR STANDING UP FOR ONE WANKER, SO THE
> > >MANY HAVE TO SUFFER….THINGS NEED TO
> > >CHANGE - NOW!
> > >
> > >MARC GARRETT - FEDUP WITH RHIZOME'S
> > >BLOKE GAMES…
> > >
> > > > On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 [email protected] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > ivan, that was hillllarious. i loved the tone of your reply …
> > >although i am
> > > > > sure he didn't get it.
> > > >
> > > > Oh right. Because I don't play along with his imbecility, 'I don't
> get
> > > > it'. The new common sense-elitism.
> > > >
> > > > > in my opinion,
> > > >
> > > > Which is worth zero.
> > > >
> > > > > he can only see words and simple sentences
> > > >
> > > > Wishful derogatory projection + absolutely false.
> > > >
> > > > > (i don't think
> > > > > english is not his primary language) … which would also explain
> why he
> > > > > misinterprets so much.
> > > >
> > > > I don't misinterpret anything luv. None of you have anactual
> > > > understanding of what you are DOING when you are LANGUAGING.
> > > > Besides the drivel programmed in your brains, that is.
> > > >
> > > > > he thinks he can destroy an idea by de-constructing individual
words
> > > >
> > > > I think nothing of the sort. In fact, I don't think.
> > > > Your myopic misinterpretations of what Ido are drivel.
> > > > And your 'ideas' are little but brain-born chimeras.
> > > >
> > > > > its a very immature form of literary critique.
> > > >
> > > > Wishful derogatory projection.
> > > > It's neither critique, nor literary, nor even anywhere within the
> area.
> > > > You've gota LONG way to go before you can hear what I'm doing,
luv.
> > > >
> > > > > his
> > > > > reading comprehension skills are at a highschool level.
> > > >
> > > > Dearest–you're talking about yourself.
> > > > 'reading comprehension'–that term only has meaning to someone
whose
> > > > head has been fucked over by a destructive educational system.
> > > > Looks like in your particular case they run over your head
> > > > multile times.
> > > >
> > > > + the Patty Winters show this morning was about Real-Life Rambos.
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On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, furtherfield wrote:
> Do you love?
The essence of every human being is love.
But that is, dearest, not what you know as love.
Not reproduction, and not physical sexuality.
Do you mean–do I reproduce? Fuck? Coddle
people's egos and weaknesses to keep them blind?
The juvenile primitive narcisstic 'mirroring'
that occurs on the basest levels?
No.
Have you ever experienced love with a human being? Besides your parents that
is..
marc
> On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, furtherfield wrote:
>
> > Do you love?
>
> The essence of every human being is love.
> But that is, dearest, not what you know as love.
> Not reproduction, and not physical sexuality.
>
> Do you mean–do I reproduce? Fuck? Coddle
> people's egos and weaknesses to keep them blind?
>
> The juvenile primitive narcisstic 'mirroring'
> that occurs on the basest levels?
>
> No.
>
>
>
I'm awake.
>From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>To: Max Herman <[email protected]>
>CC: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
>Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:56:45 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Max Herman wrote:
>
> > No, just that it's possible we all are, nigh unto comatose. Like in
>Dune,
> > "the sleeper must awaken."
>
> Not one of the active posters to this list or thingist is even partially
> awake. Not one. And in general, you're more asleep than a bunch of
> illiterate mexicans.
>
> Not one of you is to any degree in control of his capacities,
> or possesses any degree of awareness, familiarity or control
> over your (belief) psycho-sexual mechanisms. Not one.
>
> And reading isn't going to help you out of there.
>
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Hit me, hit me, hit me.
HIT ME
—– Original Message —–
From: clement Thomas <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
> To: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
> <[email protected]>
> Cc: "David Goldschmidt" <[email protected]>; "furtherfield"
> <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; "Mark Tribe" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:28 PM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
>
>
> > > Quoting David Goldschmidt <[email protected]>:
> > >
> > > > i don't know joseph … the guy is very violent with his words.
> >
> > I am not violent. I am not sugar coated, that's all.
>
> kandy is inside the coat
>
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No, just that it's possible we all are, nigh unto comatose. Like in Dune,
"the sleeper must awaken."
>From: "furtherfield" <[email protected]>
>To: "Max Herman" <[email protected]>,<[email protected]>
>CC: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
>Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:14:16 +0100
>
>Max - are you assuming that I am asleep?
>
>marc
>
>
> >
> >
> > Socrates said he was a gadfly trying to wake up the sleeping polis.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
> > ><[email protected]>
> > >Reply-To: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance]
>Art[ist]"
> > ><[email protected]>
> > >To: furtherfield <[email protected]>, "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+"
> > ><[email protected]>
> > >CC: [email protected], Mark Tribe <[email protected]>
> > >Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
> > >Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:55:44 -0400
> > >
> > >Quoting furtherfield <[email protected]>:
> > >
> > > > WELCOME TO THE 'OLD BOYS CLUB 'OF RHIZOME
> > > > WHERE IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS A SUBJECT -
> > > > YOU ARE PERSONALLY ABUSED AND TREATED
> > > > BADLY BY THOSE WHO NOT CREATE THEIR
> > > > WORK. A Big THANX TO THE RHIZOME TEAM
> > > > FOR STANDING UP FOR ONE WANKER, SO THE
> > > > MANY HAVE TO SUFFER….THINGS NEED TO
> > > > CHANGE - NOW!
> > > >
> > > > MARC GARRETT - FEDUP WITH RHIZOME'S
> > > > BLOKE GAMES…
> > >
> > >Mark, I sense that he is not out to abuse people for his jollies. And
>if
> > >you
> > >stand back, you can see that he uses essentially the same
>non-flattering
> > >terms
> > >for everyone; and as such, that he is not making personal attacks.
>Just
> > >extremely blunt criticism within a pretty specific domain of language,
> > >consciousness, awareness, and social structure. I would not be in
>favor
>of
> > >censoring him. However, perhaps there should be a starter pack for
>every
> > >Rhizomer that helps take the sting away.
> > >
> > >Anyway, that is my take on it, but I am just a farmer monkey who can
>barely
> > >read or write, so what do I know? :)
> > >
> > >–
> > >Joseph Franklyn McElroy
> > >Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]T
> > >Take the survey they are all talking about…
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> > >[email protected]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Ivan Pope wrote:
> Hit me with your rythmn stick, hit me slowly, hit me quick.
> Hit me, hit me, hit me.
> HIT ME
More idiotic drivel.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, furtherfield wrote:
> Have you ever experienced love with a human being? Besides your parents that
> is..
Can you ask a more meaningless question?
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Max Herman wrote:
> No, just that it's possible we all are, nigh unto comatose. Like in Dune,
> "the sleeper must awaken."
Not one of the active posters to this list or thingist is even partially
awake. Not one. And in general, you're more asleep than a bunch of
illiterate mexicans.
Not one of you is to any degree in control of his capacities,
or possesses any degree of awareness, familiarity or control
over your (belief) psycho-sexual mechanisms. Not one.
And reading isn't going to help you out of there.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
–
Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:
> Not one of the active posters to this list or thingist is even partially
> awake. Not one. And in general, you're more asleep than a bunch of
> illiterate mexicans.
>
> Not one of you is to any degree in control of his capacities,
> or possesses any degree of awareness, familiarity or control
> over your (belief) psycho-sexual mechanisms. Not one.
>
> And reading isn't going to help you out of there.
You inaccurate in your expression for your statement is inclusive of yourself,
though the content of your expression implies exclusion of yourself due to its
authoritative stance. And you are incorrect in stating that all are not awake.
Your statement is taken as racist in that you chose a particular racial group
to illustrate a non-attractive characterization with no justification for
choosing that particular racial group other than your own personal expression.
You could have chosen, with equal information transfer, but without the racial
profiling, a statement like "you're more asleep than a bunch of illiterate
farmers"
Of course, then you might offend farmers.
Did I sound patriarchal enuf there? ;)
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
Quoting David Goldschmidt <[email protected]>:
> tell me this joseph (and max) … how is it possible to discuss larger, more
> complex ideas with someone that is just deconstructing your word choice. i
> mean, written communication is far from perfect. words have multiple
> meanings, nuances … how is it possible to discuss an issue with someone
> that is reacting/responding out of context.
In my karate dojo, the black belts will pummel their knuckles against brick
walls. I also have started doing this. The purpose is not to break the wall
but to strengthen the knuckles.
Death is like a character from an Ann Rynd novel - no character changes - each
strictly performs to their philosophical position in the story. He is
interesting in this way. Additionally, he every once in a while will let
tidbits of knowledge he as acquired come out and then I use these to start
interesting journeys around the Internet.
>
> humans are emotional creatures … and art/writing is an expression of the
> way one sees the world, ones reaction to the world, et cetera. there are
> VERY FEW WRITERS with the skill to perfectly/precisely communicate their
> thoughts, ideas, emotions in written form.
Yes - of that I am painfully aware ;)
>
> and who is he going to "awaken" if people are too afraid to speak up and
> engage in conversation. the "awakening" process requires an open mind,
> trust and interaction (between a teacher and a student). what student would
> listen to rants of this sadist.
Well, I don't think he is going to "awaken" anyone. It takes a great deal more
than some harsh emails to open someone's eyes. Rhizome Raw is a Dionysian
Place - sometimes very dark. I would miss that if it were changed. And it is
not for teacher/student relationships that one should come here - it is all
self journeys.
> –
> Joseph Franklyn McElroy
> Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]T
> Take the survey they are all talking about…
> http://www.electrichands.com/genius2000
> Electric Hands, Inc
> 212.255.4527
> www.electrichands.com
> [email protected]
I agree with Joseph. I like Karei. He fits well into my program.
At least he ain't afraid to body up; I hate those polite super-clean waspy
games at the clubby-wubby. Everybody calling every little thing. Let the
players decide the outcome.
Can we talk about that one article Wally posted? Or not, either way.
"Do or not do; there is no try."
Yoda
++
>From: [email protected]
>To: David Goldschmidt <[email protected]>
>CC: Max Herman <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
>Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:46:50 -0400
>
>Quoting David Goldschmidt <[email protected]>:
>
> > tell me this joseph (and max) … how is it possible to discuss larger,
>more
> > complex ideas with someone that is just deconstructing your word choice.
> i
> > mean, written communication is far from perfect. words have multiple
> > meanings, nuances … how is it possible to discuss an issue with
>someone
> > that is reacting/responding out of context.
>
>In my karate dojo, the black belts will pummel their knuckles against brick
>walls. I also have started doing this. The purpose is not to break the
>wall
>but to strengthen the knuckles.
>
>Death is like a character from an Ann Rynd novel - no character changes -
>each
>strictly performs to their philosophical position in the story. He is
>interesting in this way. Additionally, he every once in a while will let
>tidbits of knowledge he as acquired come out and then I use these to start
>interesting journeys around the Internet.
>
> >
> > humans are emotional creatures … and art/writing is an expression of
>the
> > way one sees the world, ones reaction to the world, et cetera. there
>are
> > VERY FEW WRITERS with the skill to perfectly/precisely communicate their
> > thoughts, ideas, emotions in written form.
>
>Yes - of that I am painfully aware ;)
>
> >
> > and who is he going to "awaken" if people are too afraid to speak up and
> > engage in conversation. the "awakening" process requires an open mind,
> > trust and interaction (between a teacher and a student). what student
>would
> > listen to rants of this sadist.
>
>Well, I don't think he is going to "awaken" anyone. It takes a great deal
>more
>than some harsh emails to open someone's eyes. Rhizome Raw is a Dionysian
>Place - sometimes very dark. I would miss that if it were changed. And it
>is
>not for teacher/student relationships that one should come here - it is all
>self journeys.
>
>
> > –
> > Joseph Franklyn McElroy
> > Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]T
> > Take the survey they are all talking about…
> > http://www.electrichands.com/genius2000
> > Electric Hands, Inc
> > 212.255.4527
> > www.electrichands.com
> > [email protected]
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Ivan, that song is weak as hell. Ian somebody. Worthless and weak.
>From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>Reply-To: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>To: Ivan Pope <[email protected]>
>CC: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
>Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:25:52 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Ivan Pope wrote:
>
> > Hit me with your rythmn stick, hit me slowly, hit me quick.
> > Hit me, hit me, hit me.
> > HIT ME
>
> More idiotic drivel.
>
>`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>
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Ian Dury! The song is shit.
>From: "Ivan Pope" <[email protected]>
>Reply-To: "Ivan Pope" <[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
>Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:44:34 +0100
>
>Hit me with your rythmn stick, hit me slowly, hit me quick.
>Hit me, hit me, hit me.
>HIT ME
>
>
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>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
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> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
> > To: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
> > <[email protected]>
> > Cc: "David Goldschmidt" <[email protected]>; "furtherfield"
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> >
> > > > Quoting David Goldschmidt <[email protected]>:
> > > >
> > > > > i don't know joseph … the guy is very violent with his words.
> > >
> > > I am not violent. I am not sugar coated, that's all.
> >
> > kandy is inside the coat
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joseph wrote
> Well, I don't think he is going to "awaken" anyone. It takes a great deal
more
> than some harsh emails to open someone's eyes. Rhizome Raw is a Dionysian
> Place - sometimes very dark. I would miss that if it were changed. And it
is
> not for teacher/student relationships that one should come here - it is
all
> self journeys.
cannot deny the wisdom of these words.
david goldschmidt
My last great idea before I go to bed: maybe us artists have to support the
war on Iraq, kick that dude's butt, then heal the incredible human
aftermath. Like in, flip the pancake then catch it.
That would fit with Negri and Hardt correct? Plus then I can shut up and
write my book, no need for hasty masturbatory ejaculations or filibusters,
vain postures of purity, mealy-mouthed pacifism, or lousy tipping.
I just don't want to be knee-jerk about it. What was the url for that
article again Wallace?
Also eyescratch, you gwinna answer my question?
Either way,
Steve Perry
stoninlove.org
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>From: "David Goldschmidt" <[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>CC: "Max Herman" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
>Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 01:23:31 -0400
>
>joseph wrote
> > Well, I don't think he is going to "awaken" anyone. It takes a great
>deal
>more
> > than some harsh emails to open someone's eyes. Rhizome Raw is a
>Dionysian
> > Place - sometimes very dark. I would miss that if it were changed. And
>it
>is
> > not for teacher/student relationships that one should come here - it is
>all
> > self journeys.
>
>cannot deny the wisdom of these words.
>
>david goldschmidt
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Who cares about Karei now that we're all good to go on Iraq? That's the
only really thorny question for me nowaday. What's the line from Starship
Troopers, "Fleet's going to glass the planet. Then MI mops up." Well art
would be the MI.
What did you think of the Germany article Karei? The one Wallace Politburo
posted?
Anyone else? I'm supposed to work on my rigidity.
>From: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
><[email protected]>
>To: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>CC: Max Herman <[email protected]>,
>[email protected],[email protected]
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
>Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:27:36 -0400
>
>–
>
>
>Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:
>
> > Not one of the active posters to this list or thingist is even
>partially
> > awake. Not one. And in general, you're more asleep than a bunch of
> > illiterate mexicans.
> >
> > Not one of you is to any degree in control of his capacities,
> > or possesses any degree of awareness, familiarity or control
> > over your (belief) psycho-sexual mechanisms. Not one.
> >
> > And reading isn't going to help you out of there.
>
>You inaccurate in your expression for your statement is inclusive of
>yourself,
>though the content of your expression implies exclusion of yourself due to
>its
>authoritative stance. And you are incorrect in stating that all are not
>awake.
>
>Your statement is taken as racist in that you chose a particular racial
>group
>to illustrate a non-attractive characterization with no justification for
>choosing that particular racial group other than your own personal
>expression.
>You could have chosen, with equal information transfer, but without the
>racial
>profiling, a statement like "you're more asleep than a bunch of illiterate
>farmers"
>
>Of course, then you might offend farmers.
>
>Did I sound patriarchal enuf there? ;)
>
>Joseph Franklyn McElroy
>Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]
On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Max Herman wrote:
> Who cares about Karei now that we're all good to go on Iraq?
I'm not related to Iraq-affair so your question is meaningless.
> What did you think of the Germany article Karei? The one Wallace Politburo
> posted?
It's drivel + propaganda.
Karei, I heard Friday that Gestalt Psychology calls certain stuff
"mindfuck." How does that relate to NN? Just curious.
"Well high school came, I was the king of the team and a genius brain
Tried my hand at smoking roach, had a little sneezy blew the hashie in the
snow
Hadda get outta state, fill in the blank on the college app
Then I was a graduate…."
–Shlagel, "Hard Evidence"
>From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>To: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
><[email protected]>
>CC: Max Herman <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>,
><[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
>Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 09:49:05 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance]
>Art[ist] wrote:
>
> > You inaccurate in your expression for your statement is inclusive of
>yourself,
> > though the content of your expression implies exclusion of yourself due
>to its
> > authoritative stance.
>
> Drivel. What I wrote was precis + to the point + yes, excludes me.
> not because of authoritative stance–there is no 'stance'. I am.
> Your idiotic word 'mindfuck games' are only in your brain.
>
>
> > And you are incorrect in stating that all are not awake.
>
> No, I am not. Every single person who has posted is un-awake.
> Asleep. Zzz. 100% correct.
>
> > Your statement is taken as racist in that you chose a particular racial
>group
>
> Drivel. My statement is taken as racist due to his own internal
> projections.
>
> > to illustrate a non-attractive characterization with no justification
>for
> > choosing that particular racial group other than your own personal
>expression.
>
> I have done nothing of the sort. You're simply projecting wishful
> derogatory internal knee-jerks onto my words–which are reflective of
> you + you only and have nada to do with the content of my words.
>
>
> > You could have chosen,
>
> No I couldn't. Avoid dictating me how I should phrase myself, you
> superficial, flat + surface-stuck illiterate ape. I_ and I_ am the only
> authority on WHICH WORDS I_ will use.
>
> > with equal information transfer,
>
> False. Avoid dictating me how I should phrase myself, you
> superficial, flat + surface-stuck illiterate ape. Nor are you qualified
> to make such jdgements.
>
>
> > but without the racial profiling,
>
> There WAS NO RACIAL PROFILING. Idiotic monkey.
>
>
> > a statement like "you're more asleep than a bunch of illiterate
> > farmers"
>
> No, it is not at all 'like'. It's only 'like' if you
> function on the level of a two year old ape.
>
> > Of course, then you might offend farmers.
>
> Drivel.
>
> > Did I sound patriarchal enuf there? ;)
>
> Drivel.
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On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, David Goldschmidt wrote:
> cannot deny the wisdom of these words.
There is no 'wisdom' in his words.
It's simply flatulation of your ego.
Jo-seph here is a con-man extraordinaire.
Knows just the right buttons to push to put ya to sleep
and suck your energy out.
masochistic ape.
On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Max Herman wrote:
> I agree with Joseph. I like Karei. He fits well into my program.
You have no 'program'. Just delusion of getting 'somewhere'.
Mice run in circles + they like it.
`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, Max Herman wrote:
> Karei, I heard Friday that Gestalt Psychology calls certain stuff
> "mindfuck." How does that relate to NN? Just curious.
Does it=
Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:
>
>
> > Death is like a character from an Ann Rynd novel -
>
> Nothing to do with Ayn rand–your own myopic misinterpretations
> of things have got nothing to do with Reality. Ayn Rand is a cheap
> con-man rip off.
I didn't say you were a character IN an Ayn Rand novel…I said you were LIKE a
character in an Ayn Rand novel. She attempted to demonstrate her "cheap"
philosophy via characters that never showed any character development…ie
they acted consistently within their beliefs (or her beliefs of them) without
evolution throughout the entire novel.
So far, I haven't seen you deviate from your beliefs and you act consistent
within that belief system.
> the imbecillic instinctual + brain-centered 'feelings' that
> most humans experience are absolute nonsense + vampiric imbecility
>
> ARt operates on level of emotions–which belong to
> beings evolved to the extent necessary to comprehend art–
> at that point there is NO misunderstanding.
Did you see the movie White Oleander - Michelle Pfieffer plays an artist who
murders her lover and dominates her daughter. She talks about the cattle-like
quality of most of humanity, their un-evolved state. At one point her daughter
says to her… "Mom - people like them don't hurt us, we hurt them"
>
> Nobody cares about your daily 'pseudo-emotional' kitsch drivel,
> and it is NOT art.
You would not know. You are only partially awake and that has been corrupted.
>
> > > and who is he going to "awaken" if people are too afraid to speak up and
> > > engage in conversation.
>
> I am not here to 'awaken anyone luv.
Yes, you are - only you don't know how to do it, so you are forced to use the
impatient tactics of a child.
>
> > the "awakening" process requires an open mind,
>
> No, it doesn't. Nor are you in ANY way qualified to speak of the
> 'awakemin process'–nor do you have a clue about it.
The clues are everywhere, just look for them and you will finish your
awakening.
>
> I recommend all students to jump from a cliff. Life is not a school.
>
But we should all have a beginners mind.
>
> What I write are not rants–your myopic projection due to personal
> problems are your OWN responsibility.
It is obvious that you have knee-jerk reactions to anyone questioning the
perfection of what you write. These are rants.
>
> > Well, I don't think he is going to "awaken" anyone.
>
> Nobody has demonstrated worth of being awakened.
You have. Max, others.
>
> You wouldn't KNOW Joseph. Your opinion is worth nada.
>
It is not an opinion. It is knowledge.
> > than some harsh emails to open someone's eyes.
>
> You are not qualified to judge.
Yes I am.
Joseph
Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:
>
> > Where to draw the line in defense of others? Do I stand
> > aside as an unaware old lady falls victim to an unaware busdriver?
>
> The statement is too general + removed from life to be meaningful.
> Brain-chimera of arrangement of words.
I expressed exactly what I intended, it is you who fail to understand it
because of a lack of state. All thought is chimera, understanding is that which
is not thought (as in brain).
> Yes. Humor is no excuse for putting oneself to sleep.
You do not understand Humor.
>
> You make the grand mistake of Her david Goldschmidt + many others
> to make the assumption that because I do notplay along + acknowledge
> your delluded 'thoughts' 'nuances' 'humors' etc. I am not picking them
> up. They are NOT THERE, though it's fairly observable how one emptily
> spins around in those particular circles.
It is obvious that your understanding of Humor is limited and myopic. Again,
demonstrating your partially awake status.
>
> This kind of humor is a coping mechanism to soften reality.
I don't need to soften reality.
> Pad oneself. Wrap people with sleepy-blankets with a smile
> while finding their inability to cope 'amusing'. I choose to
> find it reprehensible (and not with my brain).
You responsibility is for your self, you should not be assigning blame. You
misunderstand what responsibility for your self means.
>
> > What if I mix sadness in as well? Can you laugh at situations that
> > make you sad?
>
> No. This kind of laughter is the laughte of impotence.
Strength and weakness conflict, are false dualities, are opposing and therefore
false notions placing a constraint upon the Self, which is contamination
causing the perception of strength (which has no substantiality of existence)
to perceive.
> >
> > And I am pompous also, or so I have been told. Are you perfect?
>
> Yes.
As we all.
>
> That doesn't excuse the 'victimizers'–as they are the double-victims
> + not everyone is born 'discerning'. In fact most aren't. I already
> wrote to Max–your mentality about this amounts to teaching children
> that peeing in their pants is OK and then laughing at them because
> they don't know it's not okay.
You do not understand my mentality about this. You are not yet capable of
understanding. I will try to explain - teaching children to not pee in their
pants, watching them do so anyway, then feeling amusement at the process of
teaching (for they will eventually learn - all travel the spokes of a wheel,
some longer than others, towards center - as a teacher you try to make the
direction inward). It is better for the self than a whip or rod.
> >
> > What is this care for the strength of a sex?
>
> There is no such one. And it's not about SEX (you mean gender by the
> way) luv. Females are not their GENDER.
I meant what I said, you have an unnecessary concern for sexual impulses in
others and yourself. A concern for Female/Male strength is mundane and sexual.
Joseph
On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 [email protected] wrote:
> I didn't say you were a character IN an Ayn Rand novel…I said you were LIKE a
> character in an Ayn Rand novel.
No, it doesn't ,atter how you 're-dress' it.
It hasn't got anything to do with what's going on.
> She attempted to demonstrate her "cheap" philosophy
> via characters that never showed any character development..
Wkjshjsh ? Is that what Ayn rand did?
> they acted consistently within their beliefs (or her beliefs of them)
> without evolution throughout the entire novel.
>
As if you can perceive evolution.
> So far, I haven't seen you deviate from your beliefs
There haven't been any beliefs dearest.
I don't engage in beliefs.
> and you act consistent within that belief system.
Nothing of the sort. The above is as myopic and idiotic as your Ayn Rand
brain cut-out.
To make matters worse, you're fancying yourself cpable of perceiving
what's going on.
> Did you see the movie White Oleander
I don't watch movies, with rare exceptions.
> - Michelle Pfieffer plays an artist who murders her lover and dominates
> her daughter.
Is tat an artist?
> She talks about the cattle-like quality of most of humanity,
> their un-evolved state. At one point her daughter
> says to her… "Mom - people like them don't hurt us, we hurt them"
Boo hoo. Cheap hollywood propaganda sop.
What does this have to do with anything?
Nothing. You're rattling off automatic
pre-programmed (impressed) associations–
at least you showcase certain laws.
> > Nobody cares about your daily 'pseudo-emotional' kitsch drivel,
> > and it is NOT art.
>
> You would not know.
Oh but I would.
> You are only partially awake and that has been corrupted.
No, I am not dearest. Nor is the latter part of your sentence correct.
Nor are you qualified to judge states of awareness.
You're an idiotic con-man who tries to pose as authority.
> > I am not here to 'awaken anyone luv.
>
> Yes, you are
No dearest. I am not. Avoid attempting your dictatorial ape
tactics on me.
> - only you don't know how to do it,
Idiot. What are you going to say next: prove it?
You're an asleep sheep imbecile attempting to dress himself
in 'awakener's' clothes– and are not qualified in the least bit
to make such judgements.
> so you are forced to use the impatient tactics of a child.
You're talking about yourself. The only one with 'impatient tactics
of a child is you' luv. Avoid attempting to dress yourself in King's
clothes, BABY.
Nobody here is in a state to be awakened.
> > > the "awakening" process requires an open mind,
> >
> > No, it doesn't. Nor are you in ANY way qualified to speak of the
> > 'awakemin process'–nor do you have a clue about it.
>
> The clues are everywhere, just look for them and you will finish your
> awakening.
*Finish my awakening*. Idiotic twit. No there are no 'clues'
besides your overly-inflated ego. As for 'my' awakening–
avoid attempting to dress yourself in King's clothes,
child.
You're absolutely a STUNNING example of an idiotic con-man.
> But we should all have a beginners mind.
Drivel. No *we* shouldn't. And if you had even the MINUTEST
awareness of consciousness on ANY level, you'd know that the above
is drivel, and that there is no such thing as 'we all'.
> > What I write are not rants–your myopic projection due to personal
> > problems are your OWN responsibility.
>
> It is obvious that you have knee-jerk reactions
No, it isn't. It's 'obvious' that you project your knee-jerk
wishful self-debasing impulses onto my words.
> to anyone questioning the perfection of what you write.
Nothing of the sort is occuring besides in your myopic
imagination.
> These are rants.
No they aren't luv. You can stamp your foot all you like
and repeat all you want, but rants they will not become.
Nor willmonkey mimicrying my words suddeny give you
any understanding on knee-jerk mechanisms.
But you know, mimicry is one of them knee-jerks
of asleep apes. Tsk :)
> > Nobody has demonstrated worth of being awakened.
>
> You have. Max, others.
BAHAHA. Idiocy. My dearest. You are not qualified in
ANY MANNER and to ANY DEGREE to judge who is to be awakened.
As I wrote above: you're a little asleep sheep trying
to play a big man's game. And you don't even have
the energetic construct of someone who can judge
such issues. Your behaviour is laughable.
And no, Max hasn't.
> >
> > You wouldn't KNOW Joseph. Your opinion is worth nada.
> >
>
> It is not an opinion. It is knowledge.
No it isn't. It's an opinion.
You have no knowledge whatsoever.
> > > than some harsh emails to open someone's eyes.
> >
> > You are not qualified to judge.
>
> Yes I am.
No baby. You aren't. And you can stomp your foot as much as you please,
but you are little but an asleep imbecile.
And even if you awoke, you'd not be one of those wo 'wake up' others.
You're a little farmer boy :)
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Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:
> On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance]
> Art[ist] wrote:
>
> > You inaccurate in your expression for your statement is inclusive of
> yourself,
> > though the content of your expression implies exclusion of yourself due to
> its
> > authoritative stance.
>
> Drivel. What I wrote was precis + to the point + yes, excludes me.
> not because of authoritative stance–there is no 'stance'. I am.
> Your idiotic word 'mindfuck games' are only in your brain.
I did not claim that I did not understand you. Nor am I playing 'mindfuck
games', though external appearances may decieve you. You do not yet understand
what I am doing.
>
> > And you are incorrect in stating that all are not awake.
>
> No, I am not. Every single person who has posted is un-awake.
> Asleep. Zzz. 100% correct.
You are incorrect, and there is no "single person" who has posted to this list.
>
> > Your statement is taken as racist in that you chose a particular racial
> group
>
> Drivel. My statement is taken as racist due to his own internal
> projections.
Racist is a politically defined word, not of the self - for we are part and
parcel togethor, so how to segregate?
>
> I have done nothing of the sort. You're simply projecting wishful
> derogatory internal knee-jerks onto my words–which are reflective of
> you + you only and have nada to do with the content of my words.
>
No. I am feeling kindly and "teaching" you on the brain-thought level why these
words are politically insensitive to non-awake, brain-thinking people.
>
> > You could have chosen,
>
> No I couldn't. Avoid dictating me how I should phrase myself, you
> superficial, flat + surface-stuck illiterate ape. I_ and I_ am the only
> authority on WHICH WORDS I_ will use.
You again do not understand, "could" is not "should". You should be aware that
an offer of options is not a dictation of terms.
>
> False. Avoid dictating me how I should phrase myself, you
> superficial, flat + surface-stuck illiterate ape. Nor are you qualified
> to make such jdgements.
Your knee-jerk reactions to dicussions of alternative word selections indicates
a emotional response to questions upon your perfection. Stomping up and down,
and throwing sticks is a very ape-like behavior.
>
> There WAS NO RACIAL PROFILING. Idiotic monkey.
>
Again, an emphasis on labeling indicates a defensive emotional reaction.
>
> > a statement like "you're more asleep than a bunch of illiterate
> > farmers"
>
> No, it is not at all 'like'. It's only 'like' if you
> function on the level of a two year old ape.
A two year old ape could not differentiate illiterate for the literate, nor
mexicans from farmers. So a two-year-old ape could not make a judgement on
"like" in this scenereo - you are incorrect.
Joseph
Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:
> On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, David Goldschmidt wrote:
>
> > cannot deny the wisdom of these words.
>
> There is no 'wisdom' in his words.
> It's simply flatulation of your ego.
> Jo-seph here is a con-man extraordinaire.
>
Thanks for the compliment :)
Joseph
On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 [email protected] wrote:
> I expressed exactly what I intended,
No you didn't; you have no such capacity Joseph.
All you do is cheap mimicry of what I've written before.
Again: attempting to dress yourself in King's clothes.
> it is you who fail to understand it because of a lack of state.
No, dearest. There IS_ nothing to understand in your drivel.
Except a sad con-man who thinks that parroting will automatically
trick-give you authority.
> All thought is chimera, understanding is that which
> is not thought (as in brain).
Not all thought is chimera. Nor do you know or understand
thoughts or chimeras. The above is drivel.
> > Yes. Humor is no excuse for putting oneself to sleep.
>
> You do not understand Humor.
I understand Humor quite well dearest.
You're utilizing a cheap monkey-arse kitsch substitute for 'Humor'
as an excuse for your idiocy.
> It is obvious that your understanding of Humor is limited and myopic.
No it isn't. You're simply wishfully projecting.
And monkey-mimicrying verbiage which you have
no way of understanding.
> Again, demonstrating your partially awake status.
My 'status' is not partially awake luv.
Nor are you qualified to judge anyone's status.
You're an asleep mechanical narcissist & a con-man to boot.
And this is why you're pissy.
You're no authority.
> >
> > This kind of humor is a coping mechanism to soften reality.
>
> I don't need to soften reality.
Yes you do. And do it continuously.
> You responsibility is for your self,
You have no glimpse of what my responsibility is,
imbecilic slug.
> you should not be assigning blame.
Nobody is assigning blame. Your myopic projections
are your own personal problems.
> You misunderstand what responsibility for your self means.
I misunderstand absolutely nothing my dearest.
Nor are you qualified authority on such matters.
> Strength and weakness conflict, are false dualities,
Drivel. And incorrect.
> are opposing and therefore false notions placing a constraint upon the Self,
Drivel. And Incorrect.
> which is contamination causing the perception of strength (which has no
> substantiality of existence) to perceive.
Drive. And incorrect. You have neither wisdom, nor knowledge.
You're simply parroting.
> >
> > Yes.
>
> As we all.
No dearest. There IS_ no *we all*.
Idiot.
> You do not understand my mentality about this.
No dearest. There is NOTHINg to understand.
You're a delusional con-man.
> You are not yet capable of understanding.
Oh yes dearest I am. Nor does UNDERSTANDING have
anything to do with such matters. You don't even know what
understanding means. And you my dearest are an asleep con-man
who cannot even face the truth about himself, least of all
is an authority to judge others.
>I will try to explain - teaching children to not pee in their
> pants, watching them do so anyway, then feeling amusement at the process of
> teaching (for they will eventually learn - all travel the spokes of a wheel,
> some longer than others, towards center - as a teacher you try to make the
> direction inward). It is better for the self than a whip or rod.
Meaningless, egotistical, self-important drivel.
> I meant what I said,
No you didn't. You projected wishful derogatory preconceptions.
> you have an unnecessary concern for
No I don't.
> sexual impulses in
I never wrote anything about SEXUAL impulses with regards to that
comment. A female is not her gender orientation. You keep stomping
your foot as if gender is what I was referring to.
Asleep ape.
> others and yourself.
Drivel.
> A concern for Female/Male strength is mundane and sexual.
It's neither mundane,nor sexual.
The strength of females REGARDLESS OF THEIR GENDEr (sexual orientation)
is a fact. You're an idiotic ape monkey, truly.
There is no preoccupation pof any sort–I simply pointed out
your ignorance–and were you conscious in minimal form,
you'd know that females are not only STRONGEr but .. ah :)
Maybe when you grow up, you could withstand a conversation
about that.
Idiotic con-man.
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On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 [email protected] wrote:
> I did not claim that I did not understand you.
Nor did I imply in any way that you didn't understand me.
> Nor am I playing 'mindfuck games',
Yes you are.
> though external appearances may decieve you.
External appearances may deceive you. Haha. You're not playing a
mindfuck game. External appearances DO NOT DECEIVE luv.
The more you write, the more you reveal how asleep ypu are.
There are no 'external appearances' here baby.
It's just you kicking your own head. So hidden.
masked even.
> You do not yet understand what I am doing.
But I do dearest. And understanding hasn't got anything
to do with conscious observation. There is no 'yet'.
You're an apparently obvious simpleton con-man
trying too hard.
> > No, I am not. Every single person who has posted is un-awake.
> > Asleep. Zzz. 100% correct.
>
> You are incorrect,
No dearest. I am correct.
And you can stomp your feet and shout all you please, but your words
hold no weight. And that is your own personal problem.
> and there is no "single person" who has posted to this list.
Actually there is. That's all there is.
> Racist is a politically defined word,
No, it isn't.
> not of the self - for we are part and parcel togethor, so how to segregate?
Meaningless drivel.
> No. I am feeling kindly
No dear. You're feeling self-important and condescending.
> and "teaching"
You're not qualified to teach anyone.
> you on the brain-thought level why these words are politically insensitive to non-awake, brain-thinking people.
No these words are not politically insensitive. And the only thing
you're 'teaching' is an attempt to debasea Being to agree with your
myopic cheap and idiotic misunderstanding of reality.
There WAS and IS nothing POLITICAL or RACISt about those remarks.
If anyone projects their own prejudices on mthe words
it is their own ILLITERACY. Words don't function on
'common sense conventions'.
Nevermind that these words would not be politically so defined in
MEXICO. or in CHINA. Or In INDIA.
You're peddling a mediocre white-trash middle class male
mis-education as 'consciousness'.
> You again do not understand, "could" is not "should".
I understand perfectly dearest. Your idiotic mindfuck
linguistic wrangling games are your oen problem only,
baby.
> You should be aware that
> an offer of options is not a dictation of terms.
This was not anoffer of options.
You're exactly ASLEEp and what you TELL YOURSELF
you're doing is NOT what is going on.
You're simply being a dictatorial ape.
> Your knee-jerk reactions
There have been no knee-jerk reactions luv–nor are you
qualified to judge such.
> to dicussions of alternative word selections
There is no such thing as 'alternative word selections'.
This is only a concept which exists inside your brain.
You're simply attempting to dictate my words.
Sod off ashole.
> indicates a emotional response
It does nothing of the sort. There is no 'emotional response'.
You're projecting self-debasing brain-cut outs about yourself.
Crippling idiot.
> to questions upon your perfection.
You're not 'questioning'. You are doing the below:
> Stomping up and down, and throwing sticks is a very ape-like behavior.
Sorry luv. No stomping. No stick throwing.
No ape-like behavior.Not here. But yes,
you're describing yourself perfectly.
Not only that but you're monkeying language
you don't understand :)
> Again, an emphasis on labeling indicates a defensive emotional reaction.
It does nothing of the sort, except for in your delusionally diseased
brain.
> A two year old ape could not differentiate illiterate for the literate,
So you say. Like you'd know.
> nor mexicans from farmers.
So you say. Like you'd know.
> So a two-year-old ape could not make a judgement on
> "like" in this scenereo
Ceryainly it could.
> - you are incorrect.
Not at all. Besides you're not reading what was written.
Just keeping at your own brain mindfuck games.
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On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 [email protected] wrote:
> Thanks for the compliment :)
It's abour as complimentary, as shooting you in the head.
Masochistic ape. Kick me kick me kick me.
Oo. I'm so conscious–kick me again.
And let me kick myself while I'm at it.
A con-man only damages himself–and always himself.
Not to mention that you've stunted your ability for
conscious development completely.
Yet another hammerhead.
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On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 [email protected] wrote:
> Quoting David Goldschmidt <[email protected]>:
>
> > tell me this joseph (and max) … how is it possible to discuss larger, more
> > complex ideas
You (David) are incapable of handling the most basic of ideas
least of all 'larger, complex idea'. Don't attempt to dress yourself
in King's clothes–imbecile.
> with someone that is just deconstructing your word choice.
This is not what I am doing,nor are you qualified to observe what
I am doing. Your flat amoeoba knee-jerks are not applicable.
> i mean, written communication is far from perfect.
You're illiterate.
> words have multiple meanings, nuances …
Drivel.
> how is it possible to discuss an issue with someone
> > that is reacting/responding out of context.
I am neither 'reacting' nor 'responding out of context'.
You're illitearte + idiotik.
Joseph:
> Death is like a character from an Ann Rynd novel -
Nothing to do with Ayn rand–your own myopic misinterpretations
of things have got nothing to do with Reality. Ayn Rand is a cheap
con-man rip off.
> no character changes - each
> strictly performs to their philosophical position in the story.
Drivel.
> Additionally, he every once in a while will let
> tidbits of knowledge he as acquired come out and then I use these to start
> interesting journeys around the Internet.
Travel ist good.
> > humans are emotional creatures … and art/writing is an expression of the
> > way one sees the world, ones reaction to the world, et cetera. there are
> > VERY FEW WRITERS with the skill to perfectly/precisely communicate their
> > thoughts, ideas, emotions in written form.
>
> Yes - of that I am painfully aware ;)
Drivel, on both accounts. Art is not about emotionz.
+ have written about this and very clearly.
+ shall again:
the imbecillic instinctual + brain-centered 'feelings' that
most humans experience are absolute nonsense + vampiric imbecility
ARt operates on level of emotions–which belong to
beings evolved to the extent necessary to comprehend art–
at that point there is NO misunderstanding.
Nobody cares about your daily 'pseudo-emotional' kitsch drivel,
and it is NOT art.
> > and who is he going to "awaken" if people are too afraid to speak up and
> > engage in conversation.
I am not here to 'awaken anyone luv.
> the "awakening" process requires an open mind,
No, it doesn't. Nor are you in ANY way qualified to speak of the
'awakemin process'–nor do you have a clue about it.
> > trust and interaction (between a teacher and a student).
BAHAHAHAJHAHA. Intercation. Between TEACHER AND STUDENT.
I M B E C I L E.
> what student
I recommend all students to jump from a cliff. Life is not a school.
> would listen to rants
What I write are not rants–your myopic projection due to personal
problems are your OWN responsibility.
> of this sadist.
The only sadist here is you, cuckoo.
Idiotic + ignorant + flat + coward, who wants 'learn' by
acting like a passive-aggressive whore, and expects a 'teacher'
to play along (to david).
> Well, I don't think he is going to "awaken" anyone.
Nobody has demonstrated worth of being awakened.
> It takes a great deal more
You wouldn't KNOW Joseph. Your opinion is worth nada.
> than some harsh emails to open someone's eyes.
You are not qualified to judge.
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On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist] wrote:
> You are quite correct, as a figure of speech it was incorrect to use "let
> you". I should have stated clearly that I would not attempt to prevent you,
> which I could try, though the result of that attempt cannot be determined at
> this time.
Sure can.
> > I am not 'protesting' nor would I protest anything.
>
> Thanks for clarifying that you do not want to protest abortion.
i've indicated nothing of the sort.
> A taunt? "Try and catch me first"?
Ne.
> Do you expect me to puff up my chest and say "Uga Uga"?
I've no expectations.
> I am well aware of my protective impulses and the problematic
> management of them.
So you think.
> Where to draw the line in defense of others? Do I stand
> aside as an unaware old lady falls victim to an unaware busdriver?
The statement is too general + removed from life to be meaningful.
Brain-chimera of arrangement of words.
> > Guilt? Wasn't implying anything of the sort. However, that is not a way
> > to raise children. You'll cause them to grow up helpless victims, and
> > never to wake up. Don't take that as an advocation to throw children to
> > piranhas. But you're advocating dearest, maintaining humans on thwe
> > level of sedated two year olds. That ain't gonna help them at all, cuz
> > the more asleep they are, the more Nature will smack them–and a harder
> > life they'll have–and finally they'll die weaklings.
>
> No old boy, in that original statement about "take the sting away" did you
> notice the smiley face :) ?
Yes. Humor is no excuse for putting oneself to sleep.
> How else do I convey amusement at a thought in email?
You make the grand mistake of Her david Goldschmidt + many others
to make the assumption that because I do notplay along + acknowledge
your delluded 'thoughts' 'nuances' 'humors' etc. I am not picking them
up. They are NOT THERE, though it's fairly observable how one emptily
spins around in those particular circles.
> Do you find it reprehensible that I find amusement in people being
> frightened by harsh words and being given a starter kit from a "Welcome to the
> Neighborhood Committee" like those two gay guys in American Beauty?
This kind of humor is a coping mechanism to soften reality.
Pad oneself. Wrap people with sleepy-blankets with a smile
while finding their inability to cope 'amusing'. I choose to
find it reprehensible (and not with my brain).
> What if I mix sadness in as well? Can you laugh at situations that
> make you sad?
No. This kind of laughter is the laughte of impotence.
> > With strawberry jam. You suffer from pseudo-patriarchality that
> > victimizes all that it touches on. So righteous.
>
> And I am pompous also, or so I have been told. Are you perfect?
Yes.
> As for victimization, I think that people who fall victim to pseudo-
> patriarchality have been faked into victimizing themselves.
That doesn't excuse the 'victimizers'–as they are the double-victims
+ not everyone is born 'discerning'. In fact most aren't. I already
wrote to Max–your mentality about this amounts to teaching children
that peeing in their pants is OK and then laughing at them because
they don't know it's not okay.
You're heavily misunderstanding the non-identification with victim
status impulse with abrogation of responsibility for damaging others.
> > Maybe you should go take a look at real shamanism, cuz
> > then you'll glean that females are the stronger of the teo sexes,
> > and yer mommy don't need yer protection.
>
> What is this care for the strength of a sex?
There is no such one. And it's not about SEX (you mean gender by the
way) luv. Females are not their GENDER.
On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist] wrote:
> You inaccurate in your expression for your statement is inclusive of yourself,
> though the content of your expression implies exclusion of yourself due to its
> authoritative stance.
Drivel. What I wrote was precis + to the point + yes, excludes me.
not because of authoritative stance–there is no 'stance'. I am.
Your idiotic word 'mindfuck games' are only in your brain.
> And you are incorrect in stating that all are not awake.
No, I am not. Every single person who has posted is un-awake.
Asleep. Zzz. 100% correct.
> Your statement is taken as racist in that you chose a particular racial group
Drivel. My statement is taken as racist due to his own internal
projections.
> to illustrate a non-attractive characterization with no justification for
> choosing that particular racial group other than your own personal expression.
I have done nothing of the sort. You're simply projecting wishful
derogatory internal knee-jerks onto my words–which are reflective of
you + you only and have nada to do with the content of my words.
> You could have chosen,
No I couldn't. Avoid dictating me how I should phrase myself, you
superficial, flat + surface-stuck illiterate ape. I_ and I_ am the only
authority on WHICH WORDS I_ will use.
> with equal information transfer,
False. Avoid dictating me how I should phrase myself, you
superficial, flat + surface-stuck illiterate ape. Nor are you qualified
to make such jdgements.
> but without the racial profiling,
There WAS NO RACIAL PROFILING. Idiotic monkey.
> a statement like "you're more asleep than a bunch of illiterate
> farmers"
No, it is not at all 'like'. It's only 'like' if you
function on the level of a two year old ape.
> Of course, then you might offend farmers.
Drivel.
> Did I sound patriarchal enuf there? ;)
Drivel.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2002, Max Herman wrote:
> Thanks for nothing Karei but I shut you out now, forever.
Somehow this matters?
And here I 'thought' you were in for the real thing.
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>
>On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, Max Herman wrote:
>
> > Karei, I heard Friday that Gestalt Psychology calls certain stuff
> > "mindfuck." How does that relate to NN? Just curious.
>
> Does it=
What kind of fucked-up answer is that? Cheese-shaver. Fuck you and your
mother.
>
>
>+ tripe
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On Mon, 14 Oct 2002, Max Herman wrote:
> What kind of fucked-up answer is that?
Nothing fucked up about the answer.
> Cheese-shaver.
Talking about yourself.
> Fuck you and your mother.
Baa. Weren't you going away?
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