I'm intrigued by your use of a 404 (or 404-like) page to convey this info. Was it just a formal and/or conceptual way to encapsulate an external link? A comment on the lost (ie people/ sites) and/or loss (financial/ informational)?
I like the irony of this page being used in an art project, and referring to itself (it, an external component of the artwork) as "The Big Picture." :)
I guess I'm just also interested in 404 pages, in general. Patrick May and I were comparing notes on this older project, today:
Anyway, wanna tell us more? I'm typing this while listening to the MP3 from the Net Aesthetics 2.0 panel ( http://www.eai.org/download/net_aesth.mp3 ), which frequently came back to questions of what is/ isn't art and how external objects are used & referenced by artists, so I'm tempted to ask what the difference is between building the page that you did vs straight up linking to it… Or maybe that's what you feel you did…?
mmmh… this piece is just a sketch of thoughts that come up sometimes: art and computer related art especially is always linked to wealth… we all know this and this is obviously accepted by us all. but sometimes this makes me think…
about the link in this page: i think it's not definitely necessary for the piece but the linked site tells you the current state of affairs and (imho), by that, says something about the development of the piece's message.
> I like the irony of this page being used in an art project, and > referring to itself (it, an external component of the artwork) as "The > Big Picture." :)
thanks…
[…]
> questions of what is/ isn't art and how external objects are > used & referenced by artists, so I'm tempted to ask what the > difference is between building the page that you did vs straight up > linking to it… Or maybe that's what you feel you did…?
i build the page simply because this statuscode normally says something like "…was not found on this server" which i thought would not be strong enough.
i don't consider it to be an artwork because this page was built by me… i think it's the whole thing- the concept and the page, regardless whoever it made or even if it was not made by anyone (like generative works)- what makes an artwork. and, of course, the impact on the viewer.
On 11-feb-2006, at 18:56, carlos katastrofsky wrote:
> hi, > > mmmh… this piece is just a sketch of thoughts that come up > sometimes: > art and computer related art especially is always linked to > wealth… we all know this and this is obviously accepted by us all. > but sometimes this makes me think… > > about the link in this page: > i think it's not definitely necessary for the piece but the linked > site tells you the current state of affairs and (imho), by that, > says something about the development of the piece's message. > >> I like the irony of this page being used in an art project, and >> referring to itself (it, an external component of the artwork) as >> "The >> Big Picture." :) > > thanks… > > […] > >> questions of what is/ isn't art and how external objects are >> used & referenced by artists, so I'm tempted to ask what the >> difference is between building the page that you did vs straight up >> linking to it… Or maybe that's what you feel you did…? > > i build the page simply because this statuscode normally says > something like "…was not found on this server" which i thought > would not be strong enough. > > i don't consider it to be an artwork because this page was built by > me… i think it's the whole thing- the concept and the page, > regardless whoever it made or even if it was not made by anyone > (like generative works)- what makes an artwork. and, of course, the > impact on the viewer. > > thanks for the link to the mp3 of the panel… > > regards, > carlos > >> >> marisa >> >> >> On 2/10/06, carlos katastrofsky <[email protected]> wrote: >>> http://aqua.subnet.at/carlos/projekte/netart/404_poor/ >>> >>> thinking about some statistics regarding internet access and >>> wealth… >>> + >>> -> post: [email protected] >>> -> questions: [email protected] >>> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/ >>> subscribe.rhiz >>> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support >>> + >>> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the >>> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/ >>> 29.php >>> >> >> + >> -> post: [email protected] >> -> questions: [email protected] >> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/ >> subscribe.rhiz >> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support >> + >> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the >> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/ >> 29.php >> > > > + > -> post: [email protected] > -> questions: [email protected] > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/ > subscribe.rhiz > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > + > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/ > 29.php
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Carlos,
I'm intrigued by your use of a 404 (or 404-like) page to convey this
info. Was it just a formal and/or conceptual way to encapsulate an
external link? A comment on the lost (ie people/ sites) and/or loss
(financial/ informational)?
I like the irony of this page being used in an art project, and
referring to itself (it, an external component of the artwork) as "The
Big Picture." :)
I guess I'm just also interested in 404 pages, in general. Patrick May
and I were comparing notes on this older project, today:
http://www.linkoln.net/4z4/
Anyway, wanna tell us more? I'm typing this while listening to the MP3
from the Net Aesthetics 2.0 panel (
http://www.eai.org/download/net_aesth.mp3 ), which frequently came
back to questions of what is/ isn't art and how external objects are
used & referenced by artists, so I'm tempted to ask what the
difference is between building the page that you did vs straight up
linking to it… Or maybe that's what you feel you did…?
marisa
On 2/10/06, carlos katastrofsky <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://aqua.subnet.at/carlos/projekte/netart/404_poor/
>
> thinking about some statistics regarding internet access and wealth…
> +
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
hi,
mmmh… this piece is just a sketch of thoughts that come up sometimes:
art and computer related art especially is always linked to wealth… we
all know this and this is obviously accepted by us all.
but sometimes this makes me think…
about the link in this page:
i think it's not definitely necessary for the piece but the linked site
tells you the current state of affairs and (imho), by that, says something
about the development of the piece's message.
> I like the irony of this page being used in an art project, and
> referring to itself (it, an external component of the artwork) as "The
> Big Picture." :)
thanks…
[…]
> questions of what is/ isn't art and how external objects are
> used & referenced by artists, so I'm tempted to ask what the
> difference is between building the page that you did vs straight up
> linking to it… Or maybe that's what you feel you did…?
i build the page simply because this statuscode normally says something
like "…was not found on this server" which i thought would not be strong
enough.
i don't consider it to be an artwork because this page was built by me…
i think it's the whole thing- the concept and the page, regardless whoever
it made or even if it was not made by anyone (like generative works)- what
makes an artwork. and, of course, the impact on the viewer.
thanks for the link to the mp3 of the panel…
regards,
carlos
>
> marisa
>
>
> On 2/10/06, carlos katastrofsky <[email protected]> wrote:
>> http://aqua.subnet.at/carlos/projekte/netart/404_poor/
>>
>> thinking about some statistics regarding internet access and wealth…
>> +
>> -> post: [email protected]
>> -> questions: [email protected]
>> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>> +
>> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>>
>
> +
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
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Hi
The stats6.htm page won't render – the "<style>" tag isn't closed…..
Geert
http://nznl.com
On 11-feb-2006, at 18:56, carlos katastrofsky wrote:
> hi,
>
> mmmh… this piece is just a sketch of thoughts that come up
> sometimes:
> art and computer related art especially is always linked to
> wealth… we all know this and this is obviously accepted by us all.
> but sometimes this makes me think…
>
> about the link in this page:
> i think it's not definitely necessary for the piece but the linked
> site tells you the current state of affairs and (imho), by that,
> says something about the development of the piece's message.
>
>> I like the irony of this page being used in an art project, and
>> referring to itself (it, an external component of the artwork) as
>> "The
>> Big Picture." :)
>
> thanks…
>
> […]
>
>> questions of what is/ isn't art and how external objects are
>> used & referenced by artists, so I'm tempted to ask what the
>> difference is between building the page that you did vs straight up
>> linking to it… Or maybe that's what you feel you did…?
>
> i build the page simply because this statuscode normally says
> something like "…was not found on this server" which i thought
> would not be strong enough.
>
> i don't consider it to be an artwork because this page was built by
> me… i think it's the whole thing- the concept and the page,
> regardless whoever it made or even if it was not made by anyone
> (like generative works)- what makes an artwork. and, of course, the
> impact on the viewer.
>
> thanks for the link to the mp3 of the panel…
>
> regards,
> carlos
>
>>
>> marisa
>>
>>
>> On 2/10/06, carlos katastrofsky <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> http://aqua.subnet.at/carlos/projekte/netart/404_poor/
>>>
>>> thinking about some statistics regarding internet access and
>>> wealth…
>>> +
>>> -> post: [email protected]
>>> -> questions: [email protected]
>>> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/
>>> subscribe.rhiz
>>> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>>> +
>>> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>>> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/
>>> 29.php
>>>
>>
>> +
>> -> post: [email protected]
>> -> questions: [email protected]
>> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/
>> subscribe.rhiz
>> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>> +
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>>
>
>
> +
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
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> subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
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> 29.php