Re: RHIZOME DIGEST: 7.09.04 .. Blog vs Board (re: Blogging Survey)

Tina,

Never, EVER did I intend to insult you.
I always ask for ask permission before giving attribution;
especially if it does not involve writers/bloggers.
I did not this time and apologize for the faux pas.

7 years in tech is a long time in internet & technology years
but yes, it's true, it does not make you an old fart.

I sincerely apologize.

Best,
l i z a



On Monday, Jul 12, 2004, at 18:34 America/New_York, Tina La Porta wrote:

> look folks.. i believe i have been somewhat misquoted. first of all i
> said, 'net.art has lost it's way' not we have lost our way. and…
> i don't consider myself an 'old fart' ;)
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> the discussion intercepted was about the limits of ephemeral media
> practice interfacing with the broader contemporary art world– ie the
> art market. in otherwords, even mark napier can't support himself, his
> art and his family on an occassional net.art commission– just like
> the rest of us
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> how much time does an artist want to spend with their nose pressed
> against the screen vs translating ideas into physical/material work;
> communicating with geographically local communities vs
> dispersed/global presences..
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> your thoughts on blogs are interesting.. much of it comes down to how
> much time/energy to devote to self promotion?
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> .. i'm not on raw, if you want to reply.. be direct
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> tina
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> liza sabater <[email protected]> added:
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>> Tina LaPorta the other said to me "As net artists, we've lost out
>> way". It came out of a conversation that net art was supposed to be
>> about decentralization, the rhizome, nomadism and as it is it's
>> become
>> institutionalized. So in effect, the first wave of net artists
>> basically emulated online the very systems they sought to by-pass
>> offline in order to show/disseminate their art. Is this bad? I don't
>> think so because, really, social networking software like wikis and
>> blogs, for example, have exploded in the last 2 years. Rhizome and
>> the
>> first wave of net artists has been around since 1996. Their old farts
>> in web / technology years if you think about it.
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> twhid replied:
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> I'm need to comment on this 'net artists lost their way' thing.
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> I don't see net artists losing their way. There isn't as much of it
> going on, it's not as exciting and new as it was, but to say, "we've
> lost our way" simply makes lots and lots of assumptions about what net
> artists were thinking about in the early days. I for one didn't think
> all that much about rhizomatic structures or nomadism (nomadism?). I
> was more excited about the fact that I, ME, JUST LITTLE OLE ME, had
> access to a mass medium! That was what excited me. Also, most newer net
> art projects use decentralized, networked processes in the make-up of
> the work even if it's being supported by centralized art world
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Very nicely said Tina.

Cheers,
Lee

On 7/12/04 6:34 PM, "Tina La Porta" <[email protected]> wrote:

> look folks.. i believe i have been somewhat misquoted. first of all i
> said, 'net.art has lost it's way' not we have lost our way. and…
> i don't consider myself an 'old fart' ;)
>
> the discussion intercepted was about the limits of ephemeral media
> practice interfacing with the broader contemporary art world– ie the
> art market. in otherwords, even mark napier can't support himself,
> his art and his family on an occassional net.art commission– just
> like the rest of us
>
> how much time does an artist want to spend with their nose pressed
> against the screen vs translating ideas into physical/material work;
> communicating with geographically local communities vs
> dispersed/global presences..
>
> your thoughts on blogs are interesting.. much of it comes down to how
> much time/energy to devote to self promotion?
>
> .. i'm not on raw, if you want to reply.. be direct
>
> tina
>
>
>
> liza sabater <[email protected]> added:
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>> Tina LaPorta the other said to me "As net artists, we've lost out
>> way". It came out of a conversation that net art was supposed to be
>> about decentralization, the rhizome, nomadism and as it is it's become
>> institutionalized. So in effect, the first wave of net artists
>> basically emulated online the very systems they sought to by-pass
>> offline in order to show/disseminate their art. Is this bad? I don't
>> think so because, really, social networking software like wikis and
>> blogs, for example, have exploded in the last 2 years. Rhizome and the
>> first wave of net artists has been around since 1996. Their old farts
>> in web / technology years if you think about it.
>
> twhid replied:
>
> I'm need to comment on this 'net artists lost their way' thing.
>
> I don't see net artists losing their way. There isn't as much of it
> going on, it's not as exciting and new as it was, but to say, "we've
> lost our way" simply makes lots and lots of assumptions about what net
> artists were thinking about in the early days. I for one didn't think
> all that much about rhizomatic structures or nomadism (nomadism?). I
> was more excited about the fact that I, ME, JUST LITTLE OLE ME, had
> access to a mass medium! That was what excited me. Also, most newer net
> art projects use decentralized, networked processes in the make-up of
> the work even if it's being supported by centralized art world
> institutions.
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7 years is nothing. Now 10 years that