Re: Re: considering abstraction in digital <strike>art</strike> code?

Just wondering, do you think Abstraction is?
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a. necessarily reductive in nature + b. actually inherently transcendental + d.
becomes more interesting if we are talking performative, generative, iterative
or retronascent
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but, really,

e. none of the above

or, better still

f. who cares
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because?

Your use of the term generic term Abstraction as opposed to the specific
Abstract Art leaves too many other delicious possibilities to consider.
-Alexis

Comments

, Eric Dymond

reitirating with extra bytes:
I think, or whatever passes for thinking, we have to establish a few parameters before we discuss the issue of online abstract art.
Before I make a comment, we need to discuss the frame of a web art work.
This frame carries with it an accepted degree of drift.
An abstract painting in a gallery, museum, hallway of an insurance company doesn't share the same unique frame that online web art has.
Our first goal, before going off on funny tangents is to agree upon "the frame" and the context that "the frame" brings to the work.
Web art is framed in ways that museum art could only dream of (or reel in apoplexia during early morning nightmares).
What is this distance between the old static world and the newer mediated world?
Can we even begin to make comparisons?
Rhizome posts so many new works each day, which is why I love it, but could an old guard critic like Clem Greenberg get any sense of the new ideas and feelings these works explore? I doubt it.
Eric

, Geert Dekkers

Eric,

Would you say that the term "framing" that you use is the same as
"contextualising" ??

Geert
http://nznl.com


On 21-apr-2006, at 4:58, Eric Dymond wrote:

> reitirating with extra bytes:
> I think, or whatever passes for thinking, we have to establish a
> few parameters before we discuss the issue of online abstract art.
> Before I make a comment, we need to discuss the frame of a web art
> work.
> This frame carries with it an accepted degree of drift.
> An abstract painting in a gallery, museum, hallway of an insurance
> company doesn't share the same unique frame that online web art has.
> Our first goal, before going off on funny tangents is to agree upon
> "the frame" and the context that "the frame" brings to the work.
> Web art is framed in ways that museum art could only dream of (or
> reel in apoplexia during early morning nightmares).
> What is this distance between the old static world and the newer
> mediated world?
> Can we even begin to make comparisons?
> Rhizome posts so many new works each day, which is why I love it,
> but could an old guard critic like Clem Greenberg get any sense of
> the new ideas and feelings these works explore? I doubt it.
> Eric
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, Eric Dymond

> Eric,
>
> Would you say that the term "framing" that you use is the same as
> "contextualising" ??
it's close enough, framing adds the attribute of presentation in a
specific way.
Eric
>
> Geert
> http://nznl.com
>
>
> On 21-apr-2006, at 4:58, Eric Dymond wrote:
>
>> reitirating with extra bytes:
>> I think, or whatever passes for thinking, we have to establish a
>> few parameters before we discuss the issue of online abstract art.
>> Before I make a comment, we need to discuss the frame of a web art
>> work.
>> This frame carries with it an accepted degree of drift.
>> An abstract painting in a gallery, museum, hallway of an insurance
>> company doesn't share the same unique frame that online web art has.
>> Our first goal, before going off on funny tangents is to agree upon
>> "the frame" and the context that "the frame" brings to the work.
>> Web art is framed in ways that museum art could only dream of (or
>> reel in apoplexia during early morning nightmares).
>> What is this distance between the old static world and the newer
>> mediated world?
>> Can we even begin to make comparisons?
>> Rhizome posts so many new works each day, which is why I love it,
>> but could an old guard critic like Clem Greenberg get any sense of
>> the new ideas and feelings these works explore? I doubt it.
>> Eric
>>
>> +
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>> -> questions: [email protected]
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