On first sight i'd say it's quite impossible to drip without leaving a footprint of your unique body motion. Everybody dripping differently, mastery would then be something like being gifted with a talent for beautiful motion (dancing) and developing it over the years through a feedback process (the paintings-residual output of the intense moments). Sure, Pollock's a nAartist: http://www.vilt.net/nkdee/kristine/index.jsp#pollock
So what appears to be random is in fact an instance of composed motion. It was that all the time, now we have perhaps a means to proof it. Pollock's approach ofcourse is very similar to Cage's use of a 'liberating' random function drawing the 'accidental' environment into the performance of his music, riding the waves of the flux as it were.
Dirk Vekemans wrote: > Everybody dripping differently, > mastery would then be something like being gifted with a talent for > beautiful motion (dancing) and developing it over the years through a > feedback process (the paintings-residual output of the intense moments).
oups, sorry for self-promo, but you should also check this 'statistic dripping' experiment:
"In Statistic Dripping, the canvas is a picture selected on the network by the painter. The painter is the user of the application. The movement is the trace of website visitors displacements, treated by the software."
Interesting. I'm doing sth similar at the east gate of my Cathedral, generating animated wheel drawings from my site statistics, see http://www.vilt.net/nkdee/east/ What's your experience with the runme.org? Getting any feedback there? dv
> —–Oorspronkelijk bericht—– > Van: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Namens ARN > Verzonden: zaterdag 11 februari 2006 14:52 > Aan: [email protected] > Onderwerp: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: fractal geometry > > Dirk Vekemans wrote: > > Everybody dripping differently, > > mastery would then be something like being gifted with a talent for > > beautiful motion (dancing) and developing it over the years > through a > > feedback process (the paintings-residual output of the > intense moments). > > oups, sorry for self-promo, but you should also check this > 'statistic dripping' experiment: > > http://www.datapainting.com/infoscape/01/index.html > > 'click to re-generate' > > "In Statistic Dripping, the canvas is a picture selected on > the network by the painter. The painter is the user of the > application. The movement is the trace of website visitors > displacements, treated by the software." > > http://www.runme.org/project/+StatisticDripping/ > > + > ARN > + > -> post: [email protected] > -> questions: [email protected] > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > + > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in > the Membership Agreement available online at > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php >
Dirk Vekemans wrote: > > Interesting. I'm doing sth similar at the east gate of my Cathedral, > generating animated wheel drawings from my site statistics, see > http://www.vilt.net/nkdee/east/
programming with web server logs is now like painting with acrylics.
> What's your experience with the runme.org? > Getting any feedback there?
no, runme is a good database but not a good place for feedback or discussion.
+ ARN
> dv >
>>Dirk Vekemans wrote: >> >>>Everybody dripping differently, >>>mastery would then be something like being gifted with a talent for >>>beautiful motion (dancing) and developing it over the years >> >>through a >> >>>feedback process (the paintings-residual output of the >> >>intense moments). >> >>oups, sorry for self-promo, but you should also check this >>'statistic dripping' experiment: >> >>http://www.datapainting.com/infoscape/01/index.html >> >>'click to re-generate' >> >>"In Statistic Dripping, the canvas is a picture selected on >>the network by the painter. The painter is the user of the >>application. The movement is the trace of website visitors >>displacements, treated by the software." >> >>http://www.runme.org/project/+StatisticDripping/ >> >>+ >>ARN
No i didn't, can you imagine. I only knew about the Processing work. It's rather stupid but my project sometimes makes me do these things on a hunch regardless of what others might have achieved in similar situations. I'm just meeting project requirements, it's a bad habit from my commercial work, in fact it's a bad habit alltogether.
Fry's thesis seems an interesting read.
I like your acrylics metaphor. It doesn't show from the east thing but i'm more an aquarel guy, i guess, searching for a way to extend the metaphor in that way, if that doesn't sound completely nuts to you. Have you tried anything in a 3d way? Somehow i feel a lot of the visualisation things fail for lack of dimension, a need for the user to get a feel of 'getting hold' of the data, getting a grip on things. I definitely should make a serious effort using Processing instead of Flash, i keep falling back to Flash for lack of time, and apart from using Flash is kinda cutting me off from the open source world, it really isn't up to much in the 'painting' section and there's no 3d support to speak off.
> > What's your experience with the runme.org? > > Getting any feedback there? > > no, runme is a good database but not a good place for > feedback or discussion.
Too bad. I've been digging somewhat further in your site, you're doing some cool stuff. An English translation is a bit lacking,no? it certainly deserves all the attention it could get Best, dv > > + > ARN > > > dv > > > > >>Dirk Vekemans wrote: > >> > >>>Everybody dripping differently, > >>>mastery would then be something like being gifted with a > talent for > >>>beautiful motion (dancing) and developing it over the years > >> > >>through a > >> > >>>feedback process (the paintings-residual output of the > >> > >>intense moments). > >> > >>oups, sorry for self-promo, but you should also check this > 'statistic > >>dripping' experiment: > >> > >>http://www.datapainting.com/infoscape/01/index.html > >> > >>'click to re-generate' > >> > >>"In Statistic Dripping, the canvas is a picture selected on the > >>network by the painter. The painter is the user of the application. > >>The movement is the trace of website visitors > displacements, treated > >>by the software." > >> > >>http://www.runme.org/project/+StatisticDripping/ > >> > >>+ > >>ARN > > > + > -> post: [email protected] > -> questions: [email protected] > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support > + > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in > the Membership Agreement available online at > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php >
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http://materialscience.uoregon.edu/taylor/art/splash.html
http://materialscience.uoregon.edu/taylor/art/info.html
http://materialscience.uoregon.edu/taylor/art/fractals.pdf
On first sight i'd say it's quite impossible to drip without leaving a
footprint of your unique body motion. Everybody dripping differently,
mastery would then be something like being gifted with a talent for
beautiful motion (dancing) and developing it over the years through a
feedback process (the paintings-residual output of the intense moments).
Sure, Pollock's a nAartist:
http://www.vilt.net/nkdee/kristine/index.jsp#pollock
So what appears to be random is in fact an instance of composed motion. It
was that all the time, now we have perhaps a means to proof it. Pollock's
approach ofcourse is very similar to Cage's use of a 'liberating' random
function drawing the 'accidental' environment into the performance of his
music, riding the waves of the flux as it were.
dv
> —–Oorspronkelijk bericht—–
> Van: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Namens Nad
> Verzonden: vrijdag 10 februari 2006 20:19
> Aan: [email protected]
> Onderwerp: RHIZOME_RAW: fractal geometry
>
> something funny for the discussion about randomness:
> http://www.physorg.com/news10757.html
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Dirk Vekemans wrote:
> Everybody dripping differently,
> mastery would then be something like being gifted with a talent for
> beautiful motion (dancing) and developing it over the years through a
> feedback process (the paintings-residual output of the intense moments).
oups, sorry for self-promo, but you should also check this 'statistic
dripping' experiment:
http://www.datapainting.com/infoscape/01/index.html
'click to re-generate'
"In Statistic Dripping, the canvas is a picture selected on the network by
the painter. The painter is the user of the application. The movement is the
trace of website visitors displacements, treated by the software."
http://www.runme.org/project/+StatisticDripping/
+
ARN
Interesting. I'm doing sth similar at the east gate of my Cathedral,
generating animated wheel drawings from my site statistics, see
http://www.vilt.net/nkdee/east/ What's your experience with the runme.org?
Getting any feedback there?
dv
> —–Oorspronkelijk bericht—–
> Van: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Namens ARN
> Verzonden: zaterdag 11 februari 2006 14:52
> Aan: [email protected]
> Onderwerp: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: fractal geometry
>
> Dirk Vekemans wrote:
> > Everybody dripping differently,
> > mastery would then be something like being gifted with a talent for
> > beautiful motion (dancing) and developing it over the years
> through a
> > feedback process (the paintings-residual output of the
> intense moments).
>
> oups, sorry for self-promo, but you should also check this
> 'statistic dripping' experiment:
>
> http://www.datapainting.com/infoscape/01/index.html
>
> 'click to re-generate'
>
> "In Statistic Dripping, the canvas is a picture selected on
> the network by the painter. The painter is the user of the
> application. The movement is the trace of website visitors
> displacements, treated by the software."
>
> http://www.runme.org/project/+StatisticDripping/
>
> +
> ARN
> +
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Dirk Vekemans wrote:
>
> Interesting. I'm doing sth similar at the east gate of my Cathedral,
> generating animated wheel drawings from my site statistics, see
> http://www.vilt.net/nkdee/east/
i'm sure you also know 'anemone' from Ben Fry ?
http://acg.media.mit.edu/people/fry/anemone/
programming with web server logs is now like painting with acrylics.
> What's your experience with the runme.org?
> Getting any feedback there?
no, runme is a good database but not a good place for feedback or discussion.
+
ARN
> dv
>
>>Dirk Vekemans wrote:
>>
>>>Everybody dripping differently,
>>>mastery would then be something like being gifted with a talent for
>>>beautiful motion (dancing) and developing it over the years
>>
>>through a
>>
>>>feedback process (the paintings-residual output of the
>>
>>intense moments).
>>
>>oups, sorry for self-promo, but you should also check this
>>'statistic dripping' experiment:
>>
>>http://www.datapainting.com/infoscape/01/index.html
>>
>>'click to re-generate'
>>
>>"In Statistic Dripping, the canvas is a picture selected on
>>the network by the painter. The painter is the user of the
>>application. The movement is the trace of website visitors
>>displacements, treated by the software."
>>
>>http://www.runme.org/project/+StatisticDripping/
>>
>>+
>>ARN
> i'm sure you also know 'anemone' from Ben Fry ?
> http://acg.media.mit.edu/people/fry/anemone/
>
> programming with web server logs is now like painting with acrylics.
No i didn't, can you imagine. I only knew about the Processing work. It's
rather stupid but my project sometimes makes me do these things on a hunch
regardless of what others might have achieved in similar situations. I'm
just meeting project requirements, it's a bad habit from my commercial work,
in fact it's a bad habit alltogether.
Fry's thesis seems an interesting read.
I like your acrylics metaphor. It doesn't show from the east thing but i'm
more an aquarel guy, i guess, searching for a way to extend the metaphor in
that way, if that doesn't sound completely nuts to you.
Have you tried anything in a 3d way? Somehow i feel a lot of the
visualisation things fail for lack of dimension, a need for the user to get
a feel of 'getting hold' of the data, getting a grip on things.
I definitely should make a serious effort using Processing instead of Flash,
i keep falling back to Flash for lack of time, and apart from using Flash is
kinda cutting me off from the open source world, it really isn't up to much
in the 'painting' section and there's no 3d support to speak off.
> > What's your experience with the runme.org?
> > Getting any feedback there?
>
> no, runme is a good database but not a good place for
> feedback or discussion.
Too bad. I've been digging somewhat further in your site, you're doing some
cool stuff. An English translation is a bit lacking,no? it certainly
deserves all the attention it could get
Best,
dv
>
> +
> ARN
>
> > dv
> >
>
> >>Dirk Vekemans wrote:
> >>
> >>>Everybody dripping differently,
> >>>mastery would then be something like being gifted with a
> talent for
> >>>beautiful motion (dancing) and developing it over the years
> >>
> >>through a
> >>
> >>>feedback process (the paintings-residual output of the
> >>
> >>intense moments).
> >>
> >>oups, sorry for self-promo, but you should also check this
> 'statistic
> >>dripping' experiment:
> >>
> >>http://www.datapainting.com/infoscape/01/index.html
> >>
> >>'click to re-generate'
> >>
> >>"In Statistic Dripping, the canvas is a picture selected on the
> >>network by the painter. The painter is the user of the application.
> >>The movement is the trace of website visitors
> displacements, treated
> >>by the software."
> >>
> >>http://www.runme.org/project/+StatisticDripping/
> >>
> >>+
> >>ARN
>
>
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