The featured guests of -empyre- in January 2006 are Kenneth Newby, Martin
Gotfrit, Alexandra Dulic, and Andreas Kahre in Vancouver Canada. They are
working together in a project called Computational Poetics that "aims to
articulate a poetics of digital art performance while developing a tool-set
to enable artists working in the computational medium to create, present and
document their work." Computational Poetics is also creating a series of
works combining live animation, performance documentary, and music
techniques for performance and installation. The project involves both
creating art and creating tools for artists. Some of the questions they
consider, along the way, are:
1. How is artistic expression mediated through computing technology or the
logic machine?
2. What useful models can be found for emerging technologies in cultural
traditions outside of contemporary practice?
3. How to support these cultural traditions in the context of computational
art?
4. How does one create applications and processes that demystify the
computer and empower the artist?
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no poetics is the new poetics
komninos
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poetics is the new poetics no
is the new poetics no poetics
the new is no poetics poetics
untsoweiter (happy new year)
dv
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> Van: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> Namens Komninos Zervos
> Verzonden: zondag 1 januari 2006 14:04
> Aan: Jim Andrews
> CC: [email protected]
> Onderwerp: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: -empyre- in jan06: Computational Poetics
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> no poetics is the new poetics
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> no poetics is the new poetics
> komninos
I'm reading the novel Snow by Orhan Pamuk. I already knew, from the back
cover, that the main character is a poet. The first paragraph hooked me:
"The silence of snow, thought the man sitting just behind the bus driver. If
this were the beginning of a poem, he would have called the thing he felt
inside him the silence of snow."
A beautiful introduction to the mind of a poet, how he traverses feeling and
language. And also to the poetics of the novelist. A beautiful beginning to
a real novel involving an imagined beginning to a poem not so much as poem
but as way of contemplating what he is feeling, feeling it, contemplating.
Poetics is what we mediate experience and language with.
'No poetics is the new poetics' doesn't mean no poetics but naive poetics.
ja
http://vispo.com
Naive poetics. Maybe. It's something that works in most environments.
Accidently, as it were.
Otherwise the complete absence of poetics might also be the key condition
for any formula of poetical engeneering to work. Dehumanise the whole
shabang instead of trying to inscribe it, allowing the poetical to occur
instead of trying to resuscitate it from dead or dying collections or
theoretical fictions based on those, catch and reuse the generated moments,
the discrete christals of time melting in your field of vision. I wasn't
trying to ridicule komninos's statement, just showing it could mean lots of
things, once you start computing…
dv
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> Van: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> Namens Jim Andrews
> Verzonden: zondag 1 januari 2006 20:27
> Aan: [email protected]
> Onderwerp: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: -empyre- in jan06: Computational Poetics
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> > no poetics is the new poetics
>
> > komninos
>
> I'm reading the novel Snow by Orhan Pamuk. I already knew,
> from the back cover, that the main character is a poet. The
> first paragraph hooked me:
>
> "The silence of snow, thought the man sitting just behind the
> bus driver. If this were the beginning of a poem, he would
> have called the thing he felt inside him the silence of snow."
>
> A beautiful introduction to the mind of a poet, how he
> traverses feeling and language. And also to the poetics of
> the novelist. A beautiful beginning to a real novel involving
> an imagined beginning to a poem not so much as poem but as
> way of contemplating what he is feeling, feeling it, contemplating.
> Poetics is what we mediate experience and language with.
>
> 'No poetics is the new poetics' doesn't mean no poetics but
> naive poetics.
>
> ja
> http://vispo.com
>
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On 1 Jan 2006, at 20:36, Dirk Vekemans wrote:
> Otherwise the complete absence of poetics might also be the key
> condition
> for any formula of poetical engeneering to work.
As with politics, there's no such thing as the absence of poetics.
I like the idea of poetics engineering. Like psychohistory or psyops
for experience.
- Rob.
poetics or poetrix or poet tricks?
naive is the new informed
a quote
"poets make lousy lovers
cos half way through
they think about how it will end"
jas h duke
komninos zervos
lecturer, CyberStudies major
School of Arts
Griffith University
Room 3.25 Multimedia Building G23
Gold Coast Campus
Parkwood
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Queensland 9726
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a few terms requiring further definition
artistic expression
mediated
computing technology
the logic machine
useful models
emerging technologies
cultural traditions
contemporary practice
computational art
create
applications
processes that demystify
the computer
empower
artist
komninos
komninos zervos
lecturer, CyberStudies major
School of Arts
Griffith University
Room 3.25 Multimedia Building G23
Gold Coast Campus
Parkwood
PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre
Queensland 9726
Australia
Phone 07 5552 8872 Fax 07 5552 8141
http://www.gu.edu.au/ppages/k_zervos
http://users.bigpond.net.au/mangolegs
http://spokenword.blog-city.com
"Our Workplace Rights are NOT for sale."
just as we require multiple semiotic systems of interpretation for the
writing and experiencing of new media (multimedia) art, we would also need
to call on a variety of poetics to construct such works. we need the
poetics of the filmmaker and the musician and the choreographer and the
theatre director and the actor and the trapeze artist and the touch of a
potter and the poet and the visual artist and the computer programmer and
the storyteller and the photographer and the quizmaster and the game show
host and the busker and the street theatre performer,etc etc etc
perhaps i am suggesting 'computational poetics'(which could mean the
poetics of computer code or the poetics of new media art experienced
through computers, i'll assume the latter) has no poetics of it's own but
combines a variety of poetics with each new work.
the formula could be
poetics of computational art = total existing realised poetics to the power
of all their possible combinations
this is not allowing for any new actualisations that are realised into new
poetics
the total number of possible poetics in play are, if not infinite, a bloody
lot of possible poetics. and with that many poetics one as a number becomes
irrelevant.
that is why i say no poetics is the new poetics
komninos zervos
lecturer, CyberStudies major
School of Arts
Griffith University
Room 3.25 Multimedia Building G23
Gold Coast Campus
Parkwood
PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre
Queensland 9726
Australia
Phone 07 5552 8872 Fax 07 5552 8141
http://www.gu.edu.au/ppages/k_zervos
http://users.bigpond.net.au/mangolegs
http://spokenword.blog-city.com
"Our Workplace Rights are NOT for sale."
On 1 Jan 2006, at 23:23, Komninos Zervos wrote:
> a few terms requiring further definition
I'm sorry, I didn't understand a word of that sentence.
- Rob.
I think komninos meant to say he put the soup through a sieve, started
counting the vegetables, lost his count at carrot nr 8 or so and now he
wants us to put the whole thing back in the kettle and start cooking again.
From his references i gather he's about to reverse engineer the process and
do away with the need for soup altogether, claiming the count doesn't
matter, the big secret was in the water all the time along.
dv
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> Namens Rob Myers
> Verzonden: maandag 2 januari 2006 0:34
> Aan: Rhizome Raw list
> Onderwerp: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: -empyre- in jan06: Computational Poetics
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> On 1 Jan 2006, at 23:23, Komninos Zervos wrote:
>
> > a few terms requiring further definition
>
> I'm sorry, I didn't understand a word of that sentence.
>
> - Rob.
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or, that it was really the stone in the soup
http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/stone_soup.html
cm
On Jan 1, 2006, at 6:05 PM, Dirk Vekemans wrote:
> I think komninos meant to say he put the soup through a sieve, started
> counting the vegetables, lost his count at carrot nr 8 or so and
> now he
> wants us to put the whole thing back in the kettle and start
> cooking again.
> From his references i gather he's about to reverse engineer the
> process and
> do away with the need for soup altogether, claiming the count doesn't
> matter, the big secret was in the water all the time along.
> dv
>
>> —–Oorspronkelijk bericht—–
>> Van: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Namens Rob Myers
>> Verzonden: maandag 2 januari 2006 0:34
>> Aan: Rhizome Raw list
>> Onderwerp: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: -empyre- in jan06: Computational Poetics
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>> On 1 Jan 2006, at 23:23, Komninos Zervos wrote:
>>
>>> a few terms requiring further definition
>>
>> I'm sorry, I didn't understand a word of that sentence.
>>
>> - Rob.
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i'm just playing with jim's words, sorry
as a poet
that's what i do
play with words
i do not mean to be disrespectful to this months guests on empyre
especially since this discussion is happening on rhizome
i look forward to what they have to say
is there anything wrong with questioning?
cheers
have fun
i am
komninos
komninos zervos
lecturer, CyberStudies major
School of Arts
Griffith University
Room 3.25 Multimedia Building G23
Gold Coast Campus
Parkwood
PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre
Queensland 9726
Australia
Phone 07 5552 8872 Fax 07 5552 8141
http://www.gu.edu.au/ppages/k_zervos
http://users.bigpond.net.au/mangolegs
http://spokenword.blog-city.com
"Our Workplace Rights are NOT for sale."
ah yes that stone soup
that stone is the same stone, or maybe a different stone, used to cook and
eat crow.
place a crow in water, place the stone in the pot and when the stone is
tender your crow is cooked.
komninos
komninos zervos
lecturer, CyberStudies major
School of Arts
Griffith University
Room 3.25 Multimedia Building G23
Gold Coast Campus
Parkwood
PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre
Queensland 9726
Australia
Phone 07 5552 8872 Fax 07 5552 8141
http://www.gu.edu.au/ppages/k_zervos
http://users.bigpond.net.au/mangolegs
http://spokenword.blog-city.com
"Our Workplace Rights are NOT for sale."
I'm looking forward to what Kenneth Newby and crew have to say about
'Computational Poetics'. I said 'poetics is what we mediate experience and
language with,' but that's from a writerly point of view, unless you want to
expand the notion of language or/and the writerly to, say, the language of
film, or the computational, or/and the writer as not solely a writer of
words but of sounds, images, code, etc.
None of the four featured guests say in their bio that they are a writer.
The term 'poetics' shifts slightly in such a light, but we are used to that
light concerning 'computational poetics' in that, as you point out,
Komninos, there are often various arts and media and techne involved more or
less simultaneously.
So I'm thinking it could be an interesting month of discussion.
We've posted volumes and the featured guests haven't yet posted to -empyre-.
Normally what we do is we let at least one of the featured guests post their
intro before diving in. I think Kenneth Newby is going to post first.
ja
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http://vispo.com
lovely story to wake up with, makes my soup taste ugly. It shouldn't, i
kinda like Komninos' loud style, in fact, so it's only wordplay, too. Hush
now.
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(cough)
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dv
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> Van: Christina McPhee [mailto:[email protected]]
> Verzonden: maandag 2 januari 2006 4:25
> Aan: Dirk Vekemans; [email protected]
> CC: Komninos Zervos
> Onderwerp: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: -empyre- in jan06: Computational Poetics
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> or, that it was really the stone in the soup
>
> http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/stone_soup.html
>
> cm
> On Jan 1, 2006, at 6:05 PM, Dirk Vekemans wrote:
>
> > I think komninos meant to say he put the soup through a
> sieve, started
> > counting the vegetables, lost his count at carrot nr 8 or
> so and now
> > he wants us to put the whole thing back in the kettle and start
> > cooking again.
> > From his references i gather he's about to reverse engineer the
> > process and do away with the need for soup altogether, claiming the
> > count doesn't matter, the big secret was in the water all the time
> > along.
> > dv
> >
> >> —–Oorspronkelijk bericht—–
> >> Van: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Namens
> >> Rob Myers
> >> Verzonden: maandag 2 januari 2006 0:34
> >> Aan: Rhizome Raw list
> >> Onderwerp: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: -empyre- in jan06:
> Computational Poetics
> >>
> >> On 1 Jan 2006, at 23:23, Komninos Zervos wrote:
> >>
> >>> a few terms requiring further definition
> >>
> >> I'm sorry, I didn't understand a word of that sentence.
> >>
> >> - Rob.
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