wifi leeches?

I'm all for sharing, it doesn't bother me to share it.

The problem comes with the security concerns, I don't want unknown
people on my network who could possibly be reading my email, ftp
passwords, etc.


On Dec 21, 2004, at 4:48 PM, Alexander Galloway wrote:

> what are people's thoughts on wifi leeches? i pay for a cable modem
> and have wifi at my apartment, and recently i noticed some random
> person on it. i've never considered putting a password on my wifi
> router, but i also don't really want some luser on it leeching my
> bandwidth. i mean i'm all for open bandwidth, but it's not like this
> dude is making net art or something and can't pay for it himself like
> i do. what do y'all think? should i block him out? or just continue
> amusing myself by reading his email? (haha jk! jk!) -ag
>
>

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There are many tools that allow any computer on a particular LAN to see
all the traffic going over the LAN.

I leech too at our studio, just have to be careful and hope for the
best (the worst thing is the cleartext passwords for FTP sites, one
should def use sftp or ssh in those environs).

good luck :-)

On Dec 21, 2004, at 6:02 PM, Marisa S. Olson wrote:

> i am stupid… can this really happen? i leech other
> people's artport connection allllll day long. should i
> not? help me obe wan…
>
>
> — "t.whid" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'm all for sharing, it doesn't bother me to share
>> it.
>>
>> The problem comes with the security concerns, I
>> don't want unknown
>> people on my network who could possibly be reading
>> my email, ftp
>> passwords, etc.
>>
>>
>> On Dec 21, 2004, at 4:48 PM, Alexander Galloway
>> wrote:
>>
>>> what are people's thoughts on wifi leeches? i pay
>> for a cable modem
>>> and have wifi at my apartment, and recently i
>> noticed some random
>>> person on it. i've never considered putting a
>> password on my wifi
>>> router, but i also don't really want some luser on
>> it leeching my
>>> bandwidth. i mean i'm all for open bandwidth, but
>> it's not like this
>>> dude is making net art or something and can't pay
>> for it himself like
>>> i do. what do y'all think? should i block him out?
>> or just continue
>>> amusing myself by reading his email? (haha jk!
>> jk!) -ag
>>>
>>>
>>
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ooo, yeah, that makes sense. I mean, is it someone who could also be
amused by this conundrum? Can you tell? perhaps ask the fella maybe?



On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, giselle beiguelman wrote:

> what kind of guest do you have?
> if you can amuse yourself by reading his email, you probably know…
> so if it is just someone who can not pay for it like you do, why not?
> gb
>
> alex galloway wrote:
>
>> what are people's thoughts on wifi leeches? i pay for a cable modem
>> and
>> have wifi at my apartment, and recently i noticed some random person
>> on
>> it. i've never considered putting a password on my wifi router, but i
>> also don't really want some luser on it leeching my bandwidth. i mean
>> i'm all for open bandwidth, but it's not like this dude is making net
>> art or something and can't pay for it himself like i do. what do
>> y'all
>> think? should i block him out? or just continue amusing myself by
>> reading his email? (haha jk! jk!) -ag
>>
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> ooo, yeah, that makes sense. I mean, is it someone who could also be
> amused by this conundrum? Can you tell? perhaps ask the fella maybe?
>
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, giselle beiguelman wrote:
>
>> what kind of guest do you have?
>> if you can amuse yourself by reading his email, you probably know…
>> so if it is just someone who can not pay for it like you do, why not?
>> gb
>>
>> alex galloway wrote:
>>
>>> what are people's thoughts on wifi leeches? i pay for a cable modem
>>> and
>>> have wifi at my apartment, and recently i noticed some random person
>>> on
>>> it. i've never considered putting a password on my wifi router, but i
>>> also don't really want some luser on it leeching my bandwidth. i mean
>>> i'm all for open bandwidth, but it's not like this dude is making net
>>> art or something and can't pay for it himself like i do. what do
>>> y'all
>>> think? should i block him out? or just continue amusing myself by
>>> reading his email? (haha jk! jk!) -ag
>>>
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Well let's see… I was tempted to put up Wifi on my machine and
leave it open with some restrictions and protections for myself.
I guess people have gotten kind of spooky and harsh about these
things in the latter days. If it wasn't for teenagers and others
finding there way into the ARPANET way back when there would be
no INTERNET with its fun mosdtly free resources for people to use.
It would have nevee been considered profitable in a "I paid fot it
and it's all mine society that lots of businesses like to promote.
Lot's of things were strted by people who let people in for fun
and free and that's how almost all the neat stuff you and enjoy
now got started. In fact lots of us let our teenaged friends
have TIP numbers when those were the golden key to getting onto
the ARPANET. So it is kind of silly and downright mean if not
shortsighted and almost stupid to cast aspersions on an old and
venarble tradition of just using what is there.

I'd be tempted to either just silently and covertly without
telling anyone watch the details of this persons life OR write
them a letter telling them they are using the facility at your
bonne plaisir (mutter othographie…) and that it isn't very
secure. But please realize if the bizworld had started all of
this they would be trying to charge for every second of looking
at any page. As much as I like the concept of micropayments
I am glad things did not start with the pay concept embedded.
So I am glad Ted Nelson didn't get some of his wishes.

Have Fun,
Sends Steve

You can set up reasonable security with a little effort. I really
must say I am taking aback by the dog in the manger attitude one
finds today and this amongst people who are clamouring for as much
free access to copyrighted goodies and other stuff as they can get.

Note I have been debating setting up a local network for my building.
I'd probabluy put some limits on things. Although I have wondered
what would happen if I left it open as a honeypot to see what people
would do. Right now I do use ssh and stuff like that for many of
my connections to the outside world. It is an interesting thought.

Have Fun,
Sends Steve



> I'm all for sharing, it doesn't bother me to share it.
>
> The problem comes with the security concerns, I don't want unknown
> people on my network who could possibly be reading my email, ftp
> passwords, etc.
>
>
> On Dec 21, 2004, at 4:48 PM, Alexander Galloway wrote:
>
>> what are people's thoughts on wifi leeches? i pay for a cable modem
>> and have wifi at my apartment, and recently i noticed some random
>> person on it. i've never considered putting a password on my wifi
>> router, but i also don't really want some luser on it leeching my
>> bandwidth. i mean i'm all for open bandwidth, but it's not like this
>> dude is making net art or something and can't pay for it himself like
>> i do. what do y'all think? should i block him out? or just continue
>> amusing myself by reading his email? (haha jk! jk!) -ag
>>
>>
>
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I like secure Ixplore from Itree which basicly take the
funtionality of the Putty Suite and puts and nice point and
click wrapper around it all. My only dislike about it is they don't
support Pagent very well. This let's you send keys instead of
passwords are makes things quite secure. As long confugure your
setup any user can't get access to certain things on your machine.
So far I can drap and drop to get files down from the BSD box
on the hill to my Win2k Box here but I can't seem to drag and drop
files from my local Win2K box to the BSD box but have a workaround
of running a psftp program. Now I am going RRFTM Re-Read the F***ING
Manual to see if I am not missing something simple.

Have Fun,
Sends Steve



> There are many tools that allow any computer on a particular LAN to see
> all the traffic going over the LAN.
>
> I leech too at our studio, just have to be careful and hope for the
> best (the worst thing is the cleartext passwords for FTP sites, one
> should def use sftp or ssh in those environs).
>
> good luck :-)
>
> On Dec 21, 2004, at 6:02 PM, Marisa S. Olson wrote:
>
>> i am stupid… can this really happen? i leech other
>> people's artport connection allllll day long. should i
>> not? help me obe wan…
>>
>>
>> — "t.whid" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm all for sharing, it doesn't bother me to share
>>> it.
>>>
>>> The problem comes with the security concerns, I
>>> don't want unknown
>>> people on my network who could possibly be reading
>>> my email, ftp
>>> passwords, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 21, 2004, at 4:48 PM, Alexander Galloway
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> what are people's thoughts on wifi leeches? i pay
>>> for a cable modem
>>>> and have wifi at my apartment, and recently i
>>> noticed some random
>>>> person on it. i've never considered putting a
>>> password on my wifi
>>>> router, but i also don't really want some luser on
>>> it leeching my
>>>> bandwidth. i mean i'm all for open bandwidth, but
>>> it's not like this
>>>> dude is making net art or something and can't pay
>>> for it himself like
>>>> i do. what do y'all think? should i block him out?
>>> or just continue
>>>> amusing myself by reading his email? (haha jk!
>>> jk!) -ag
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> ===
>>> <twhid>http://www.mteww.com</twhid>
>>> ===
>>>
>>>
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