Re: RHIZOME_RARE: Los Angeles Center For Digital Art: Open Call

At 04:02 PM 6/07/2004, you wrote:
>This call for entries has a pretty large fee attached just to enter, no
>jurors are mentioned, the turn around time is very short, the curatorial
>position is not stated, the print work is done for profit. Fair enough, and
>this is much like the hundreds and hundreds of calls of this type for
>artists in painting, drawing, traditional printmaking etc. But it surprised
>me to see rhizome putting this on rare. In the conventional art world these
>kinds of competitions indicate a competition that is funded by the artists
>entry fees, so that the bottom line is that the artists are funding the
>event without contributing to shaping or producing the event. One of the
>things that most attracted me to new media and the rhizome iist was the near
>total absence of this kind of call.
>Any comment? Maybe someone in the Rhizome community has worked with these
>folks and can recommend them? I hope its legit.



hiya c.

i completely 2nd this, + am very curious as 2 how the material for RARE is
selected. seems fairly slipsh.oddish.

Chunks,
mez





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If you take everything in consideration its not a bad fee.
They are PRINTING the works in the show. Even at 8.5 x 11. Take that to a
service bureau and see what sort of $$$ they offer you to do a one off
archival print. They are not setting very many limitations. Not to mention
even if the curators think that work is crap they will still exhibit it.
Its an open call.

I also fee that entry fees sifts through who is really serious and wants to
be in a specific exhibition vs. those who just prostitute their work out to
any show without a fee. (how often do you get into those)

I do agree that the calls for artists on Rhizome are great and have helped
me exhibit at the international level. All the good shows I paid to be
considered, I paid to ship my work. I paid to get my work back.

In my opinion the only real group curated shows are the ones where the
curator contacts the artists directly and doesn't fuck around with an open
submission process. Its a big pain in the ass and you have to worry about
getting slides back, the artist nagging you, blah blah blah.

I say pay the 30$ and at least you know you will be in the show.

Cheers,
Lee




On 7/6/04 2:53 AM, "][mez][" <[email protected]> wrote:

> At 04:02 PM 6/07/2004, you wrote:
>> This call for entries has a pretty large fee attached just to enter, no
>> jurors are mentioned, the turn around time is very short, the curatorial
>> position is not stated, the print work is done for profit. Fair enough, and
>> this is much like the hundreds and hundreds of calls of this type for
>> artists in painting, drawing, traditional printmaking etc. But it surprised
>> me to see rhizome putting this on rare. In the conventional art world these
>> kinds of competitions indicate a competition that is funded by the artists
>> entry fees, so that the bottom line is that the artists are funding the
>> event without contributing to shaping or producing the event. One of the
>> things that most attracted me to new media and the rhizome iist was the near
>> total absence of this kind of call.
>> Any comment? Maybe someone in the Rhizome community has worked with these
>> folks and can recommend them? I hope its legit.
>
>
>
> hiya c.
>
> i completely 2nd this, + am very curious as 2 how the material for RARE is
> selected. seems fairly slipsh.oddish.
>
> Chunks,
> mez
>
>
>
>
>
> .©[lick].
> -
> -
>
> http://www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/netwurker/
>
> +
> -> post: [email protected]
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> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>

To clarify: content on Rhizome Rare is taken from Raw and published to
Rare by Superusers, volunteer editors who index (attach keywords) and
select images to accompany texts. There is a list of all of our
Superusers here and what they do:

http://rhizome.org/community/superusers.rhiz

(I don't think this page is totally up to date.)

Exhibition opportunities are among the most desirable kinds of
opportunities posted to Rhizome, and while we don't fact-check or
endorse what comes through the lists, Superusers do their best to
select texts and announcements they think will be of use or interest.
– Rachel




On Jul 6, 2004, at 2:53 AM, ][mez][ wrote:

> At 04:02 PM 6/07/2004, you wrote:
>> This call for entries has a pretty large fee attached just to enter,
>> no
>> jurors are mentioned, the turn around time is very short, the
>> curatorial
>> position is not stated, the print work is done for profit. Fair
>> enough, and
>> this is much like the hundreds and hundreds of calls of this type for
>> artists in painting, drawing, traditional printmaking etc. But it
>> surprised
>> me to see rhizome putting this on rare. In the conventional art world
>> these
>> kinds of competitions indicate a competition that is funded by the
>> artists
>> entry fees, so that the bottom line is that the artists are funding
>> the
>> event without contributing to shaping or producing the event. One of
>> the
>> things that most attracted me to new media and the rhizome iist was
>> the near
>> total absence of this kind of call.
>> Any comment? Maybe someone in the Rhizome community has worked with
>> these
>> folks and can recommend them? I hope its legit.
>
>
>
> hiya c.
>
> i completely 2nd this, + am very curious as 2 how the material for
> RARE is selected. seems fairly slipsh.oddish.
>
> Chunks,
> mez
>
>
>
>
>
> .©[lick].
> -
> -
>
> http://www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/netwurker/
>
> +
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>

It's time to make things clear regarding "art events" with a $$$ submission fee. We can see
invitations form film & video festivals, galleries, fairs, etc. Most of them demanding $$$ for so called "entry", "registration", or "processing" fee. It's not an art event. It's reminds me a car dealership with their "processing" fees and "destination" charges. Musicians call this type of gigs "Pay to Play" situation. It's when a promoter asking a band to buy at least 50 tickets to their own concert. I suggests that artists never pay any money for showing their work. Are you so desperate for exposure or just stupid to be sold on this "entry" fee scams? Better spend your hard earned money on tools, web site, or new pair of shoes.

vasily




Christina McPhee wrote:

> This call for entries has a pretty large fee attached just to enter,
> no
> jurors are mentioned, the turn around time is very short, the
> curatorial
> position is not stated, the print work is done for profit. Fair
> enough, and
> this is much like the hundreds and hundreds of calls of this type for
> artists in painting, drawing, traditional printmaking etc. But it
> surprised
> me to see rhizome putting this on rare. In the conventional art world
> these
> kinds of competitions indicate a competition that is funded by the
> artists
> entry fees, so that the bottom line is that the artists are funding
> the
> event without contributing to shaping or producing the event. One of
> the
> things that most attracted me to new media and the rhizome iist was
> the near
> total absence of this kind of call.
> Any comment? Maybe someone in the Rhizome community has worked with
> these
> folks and can recommend them? I hope its legit.
>
> c
>
>
> and yetOn 7/5/04 10:33 PM, "Rex Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> > To view this entire thread, click here:
> > http://rhizome.org/thread.rhiz?thread786&text&265#26265
> >
> > + + +
> >
> > SNAP TO GRID:
> > the UN-Juried competition
> >
> > September 9-October 1
> > Opening Reception Thursday September 9, 7-9pm
> >
> > Deadline for entries:
> > September 5, 2004
> >
> > Entry page:
> > http://www.lacda.com/exhibits/september.html
> >
> > Show your work at our gallery in our Un-Juried Show: Snap to Grid.
> In a
> > historically unprecedented exhibition participants each upload one
> image to be
> > printed on high quality paper and hung in a grid in our gallery. The
> show will
> > be widely promoted and will include a reception for the artists.
> >
> > Prior to and after the exhibition the images and artist information
> will be
> > available to gallery visitors to view in our artist portfolios.
> Artwork for
> > future exhibits (including our upcoming web art pages) will be
> selected from
> > the portfolios, and will also be available for review by area
> gallerists,
> > curators and arts journalists.
> >
> > Entry fee $30US.
> >
> > Show is international, open to all geographical locations.
> >
> > Entrants submit one JPEG file of original work up to 2mb. All styles
> of 2D
> > artwork and photography where digital processes of any kind were
> integral to
> > the creation of the images are acceptable. Video stills and screen
> shots of
> > new media/web are acceptable.
> >
> > Multiple entries are permitted. Limit of 3 entries per person. $30
> > registration fee for each additional image.
> >
> >
> > Gallery Information:
> > Los Angeles Center For Digital Art is dedicated to the propagation
> of all
> > forms of digital art, supporting local, international, emerging and
> > established artists. We have an ongoing schedule of exhibits and
> competitions,
> > produce editions of wide format archival prints, and provide low
> cost
> > education for individuals interested in learning software programs
> utilized
> > for art and design.
> >
> > + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
> +
> >
> > Rhizome.org is a 501©(3) nonprofit organization and an affiliate
> of
> > the New Museum of Contemporary Art.
> >
> > Rhizome Rare is supported by grants from the Rockefeller Foundation,
> the
> > Andy Warhol Foundation for the Visual Arts, and with public funds
> from
> > the New York State Council on the Arts, a state agency.
> >
> > + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
> +
> >
> > Rhizome Rare is filtered by Rhizome SuperUsers, a dedicated group of
> > volunteer editors. To learn more about becoming a Rhizome SuperUser,
> > please email [email protected].
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this list, visit http://rhizome.org/subscribe .
> >
> > Subscribers to Rhizome Rare are subject to the terms set out in the
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> >
>
> –
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>
>
> <www.christinamcphee.net>
> <www.naxsmash.net>
> <www.naxsmash.net/inscapes>
>
>

Dear Vasily and rhizomers,

I agree. You put it very bluntly. Thanks for making the point so strongly.

Christina



On 7/6/04 12:14 PM, "vasily" <[email protected]> wrote:

> It's time to make things clear regarding "art events" with a $$$ submission
> fee. We can see
> invitations form film & video festivals, galleries, fairs, etc. Most of them
> demanding $$$ for so called "entry", "registration", or "processing" fee. It's
> not an art event. It's reminds me a car dealership with their "processing"
> fees and "destination" charges. Musicians call this type of gigs "Pay to Play"
> situation. It's when a promoter asking a band to buy at least 50 tickets to
> their own concert. I suggests that artists never pay any money for showing
> their work. Are you so desperate for exposure or just stupid to be sold on
> this "entry" fee scams? Better spend your hard earned money on tools, web
> site, or new pair of shoes.
>
> vasily
>
>
>
>
> Christina McPhee wrote:
>
>> This call for entries has a pretty large fee attached just to enter,
>> no
>> jurors are mentioned, the turn around time is very short, the
>> curatorial
>> position is not stated, the print work is done for profit. Fair
>> enough, and
>> this is much like the hundreds and hundreds of calls of this type for
>> artists in painting, drawing, traditional printmaking etc. But it
>> surprised
>> me to see rhizome putting this on rare. In the conventional art world
>> these
>> kinds of competitions indicate a competition that is funded by the
>> artists
>> entry fees, so that the bottom line is that the artists are funding
>> the
>> event without contributing to shaping or producing the event. One of
>> the
>> things that most attracted me to new media and the rhizome iist was
>> the near
>> total absence of this kind of call.
>> Any comment? Maybe someone in the Rhizome community has worked with
>> these
>> folks and can recommend them? I hope its legit.
>>
>> c
>>
>>
>> and yetOn 7/5/04 10:33 PM, "Rex Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> To view this entire thread, click here:
>>> http://rhizome.org/thread.rhiz?thread786&text&265#26265
>>>
>>> + + +
>>>
>>> SNAP TO GRID:
>>> the UN-Juried competition
>>>
>>> September 9-October 1
>>> Opening Reception Thursday September 9, 7-9pm
>>>
>>> Deadline for entries:
>>> September 5, 2004
>>>
>>> Entry page:
>>> http://www.lacda.com/exhibits/september.html
>>>
>>> Show your work at our gallery in our Un-Juried Show: Snap to Grid.
>> In a
>>> historically unprecedented exhibition participants each upload one
>> image to be
>>> printed on high quality paper and hung in a grid in our gallery. The
>> show will
>>> be widely promoted and will include a reception for the artists.
>>>
>>> Prior to and after the exhibition the images and artist information
>> will be
>>> available to gallery visitors to view in our artist portfolios.
>> Artwork for
>>> future exhibits (including our upcoming web art pages) will be
>> selected from
>>> the portfolios, and will also be available for review by area
>> gallerists,
>>> curators and arts journalists.
>>>
>>> Entry fee $30US.
>>>
>>> Show is international, open to all geographical locations.
>>>
>>> Entrants submit one JPEG file of original work up to 2mb. All styles
>> of 2D
>>> artwork and photography where digital processes of any kind were
>> integral to
>>> the creation of the images are acceptable. Video stills and screen
>> shots of
>>> new media/web are acceptable.
>>>
>>> Multiple entries are permitted. Limit of 3 entries per person. $30
>>> registration fee for each additional image.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gallery Information:
>>> Los Angeles Center For Digital Art is dedicated to the propagation
>> of all
>>> forms of digital art, supporting local, international, emerging and
>>> established artists. We have an ongoing schedule of exhibits and
>> competitions,
>>> produce editions of wide format archival prints, and provide low
>> cost
>>> education for individuals interested in learning software programs
>> utilized
>>> for art and design.
>>>
>>> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
>> +
>>>
>>> Rhizome.org is a 501©(3) nonprofit organization and an affiliate
>> of
>>> the New Museum of Contemporary Art.
>>>
>>> Rhizome Rare is supported by grants from the Rockefeller Foundation,
>> the
>>> Andy Warhol Foundation for the Visual Arts, and with public funds
>> from
>>> the New York State Council on the Arts, a state agency.
>>>
>>> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
>> +
>>>
>>> Rhizome Rare is filtered by Rhizome SuperUsers, a dedicated group of
>>> volunteer editors. To learn more about becoming a Rhizome SuperUser,
>>> please email [email protected].
>>>
>>> To unsubscribe from this list, visit http://rhizome.org/subscribe .
>>>
>>> Subscribers to Rhizome Rare are subject to the terms set out in the
>>> Member Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php.
>>>
>>
>> –
>> soundart performance videoinstallation multimedia painting theory
>>
>>
>> <www.christinamcphee.net>
>> <www.naxsmash.net>
>> <www.naxsmash.net/inscapes>
>>
>>
> +
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php

–
soundart performance videoinstallation multimedia painting theory


<www.christinamcphee.net>
<www.naxsmash.net>
<www.naxsmash.net/inscapes>

I agree, 'Snap to Grid' sounds more like 'Pay the Rent'

But, it's not like this in every creative field however.

Few filmmakers think twice before submitting their work to film
festivals which almost always require a fee.

Also, most professional designers and illustrators enter competitions
hosted either by for-profit magazines and other industry groups which
always require fees.

What's the diff?

Well, if you enter a competition like Sundance FF or Toronto FF and you
get in, you're guaranteed a good amount of media exposure in the film
industry and likewise with design and illo contests hosted by industry
mags and groups like Print, How, Art Directors Guild etc.

Most art exhibitions don't deliver this sort of exposure and the one's
with the highest exposure either don't require fees or don't don't even
have a call for entries. I personally haven't paid a fee for an art
competition since I was in college. It's money flushed down the toilet.


On Jul 6, 2004, at 3:32 PM, Christina McPhee wrote:

> Dear Vasily and rhizomers,
>
> I agree. You put it very bluntly. Thanks for making the point so
> strongly.
>
> Christina
>
>
>
> On 7/6/04 12:14 PM, "vasily" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> It's time to make things clear regarding "art events" with a $$$
>> submission
>> fee. We can see
>> invitations form film & video festivals, galleries, fairs, etc. Most
>> of them
>> demanding $$$ for so called "entry", "registration", or "processing"
>> fee. It's
>> not an art event. It's reminds me a car dealership with their
>> "processing"
>> fees and "destination" charges. Musicians call this type of gigs "Pay
>> to Play"
>> situation. It's when a promoter asking a band to buy at least 50
>> tickets to
>> their own concert. I suggests that artists never pay any money for
>> showing
>> their work. Are you so desperate for exposure or just stupid to be
>> sold on
>> this "entry" fee scams? Better spend your hard earned money on
>> tools, web
>> site, or new pair of shoes.
>>
>> vasily
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Christina McPhee wrote:
>>
>>> This call for entries has a pretty large fee attached just to enter,
>>> no
>>> jurors are mentioned, the turn around time is very short, the
>>> curatorial
>>> position is not stated, the print work is done for profit. Fair
>>> enough, and
>>> this is much like the hundreds and hundreds of calls of this type for
>>> artists in painting, drawing, traditional printmaking etc. But it
>>> surprised
>>> me to see rhizome putting this on rare. In the conventional art world
>>> these
>>> kinds of competitions indicate a competition that is funded by the
>>> artists
>>> entry fees, so that the bottom line is that the artists are funding
>>> the
>>> event without contributing to shaping or producing the event. One of
>>> the
>>> things that most attracted me to new media and the rhizome iist was
>>> the near
>>> total absence of this kind of call.
>>> Any comment? Maybe someone in the Rhizome community has worked with
>>> these
>>> folks and can recommend them? I hope its legit.
>>>
>>> c
>>>
>>>
>>> and yetOn 7/5/04 10:33 PM, "Rex Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> To view this entire thread, click here:
>>>> http://rhizome.org/thread.rhiz?thread786&text&265#26265
===
<twhid>http://www.mteww.com</twhid>
===

At 02:28 AM 7/07/2004, you wrote:
>To clarify: content on Rhizome Rare is taken from Raw and published to
>Rare by Superusers, volunteer editors who index (attach keywords) and
>select images to accompany texts. There is a list of all of our Superusers
>here and what they do:
>
>http://rhizome.org/community/superusers.rhiz
>
>(I don't think this page is totally up to date.)
>
>Exhibition opportunities are among the most desirable kinds of
>opportunities posted to Rhizome, and while we don't fact-check or endorse
>what comes through the lists, Superusers do their best to select texts and
>announcements they think will be of use or interest.
>– Rachel
>
>


thx 4 the info, rachel.

][mez][




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-

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Every year in L.A. for the past 50 years they have had an open show at the Los Angeles Municipal Art Gallery where everyone pays $20 and gets to show their art (and support the gallery). You show up at the museum with your piece and they hang it. It is really great. The opening was last Sunday and I had a wonderful time. I'm sure I will show some of the digital artists they had there. They show 1,000 artists and the work is generally really strong. We decided to do a international/digital version of the same thing.

Info on the Los Angeles Municipal Art Gallery open show:

http://www.artscenecal.com/Announcements/0604/Barnsdall0604.html


"Southern California-based artists to show their work in a non-juried exhibition at the Los Angeles Municipal Art Gallery, 4800 Hollywood Boulevard, Los Angeles, 90027. Open Call L.A. 2004 celebrates the 50-year tradition of the Los Angeles Municipal Art Gallery’s summertime All City Art Festival. The exhibition dates are July 14 - August 15, 2004, with an exhibition reception scheduled for July 18, 2004, 2:00 - 7:00 p.m."


So far the "Snap to Grid" call has been doing well and there are some really great artists in there that will have exhibition opportunities beyond the open show to be sure. Anyway, we need all of the support we can get, so you have our sincere thanks for featuring us on your site!



Rex Bruce
Director
Los Angeles Center for Digital Art
5723 Melrose Avenue
Los Angeles, CA 90038
http://www.lacda.com