> shouldn't rhizome have an XML feed (i prefer RSS)? > > ??? > >
Yes.
The bigger question is what sort of RSS feed – Raw? Rare? (There's already a NAN RSS feed.) The even bigger question is how Rhizome would do this without compromising the membership structure we've got setup. Possibly the biggest question is how a site like ours can integrate with an increasingly decentralized web and still have a membership structure.
RSS would probably be a part of that. Also, so might blogging, FOAF, and other emerging Semantic Web-type technologies. (Not sure how wikis would fit in, tho I think they're pretty cool too.)
FWIW, in the short term I'm not doing much about this since I just don't have the person-hours to do it. In the long term I very much want Rhizome to be more incestuously interlinked with the other sites out there – net-art-related and otherwise.
When the long term can become the short term is, as always, anybody's guess.
> t.whid wrote: > >> shouldn't rhizome have an XML feed (i prefer RSS)? >> >> ??? >> >> > > Yes. > > The bigger question is what sort of RSS feed – Raw? Rare? (There's > already a NAN RSS feed.) The even bigger question is how Rhizome would > do this without compromising the membership structure we've got setup. > Possibly the biggest question is how a site like ours can integrate > with an increasingly decentralized web and still have a membership > structure.
Here are some ideas how it might work:
The RSS feed should be RARE only (or it could get seriously clogged with junk).
Anyone is allowed to sub, basically it's a way to get the front-page of Rhiz in yer aggregator (headline and cropped text). If you follow the link to the story the rules of Rhiz's website apply, members get in to read the story, non-members don't (except on Fri).
Pretty simple to start, no? Just take the data that builds the front and package it in an RSS template. (i'm not sweating you to do it, even simple things can take whole afternoons or a day to build i know).
The bigger questions…. Well, I'm not going to get into that for now. But if Rhiz is going to stay vital then we've got to keep up with the rest of the web.
> > RSS would probably be a part of that. Also, so might blogging, FOAF, > and other emerging Semantic Web-type technologies. (Not sure how wikis > would fit in, tho I think they're pretty cool too.)
Rhiz should offer blogging for members perhaps, if it became popular, might be able to drop the membership fee all together. It might be very simple (and free) to set-up with blosxom. A new section of Rhiz that aggregates everyone's blog? that would be cool.
let me know privately if you would like me to help out with any of this stuff.
> > FWIW, in the short term I'm not doing much about this since I just > don't have the person-hours to do it. In the long term I very much > want Rhizome to be more incestuously interlinked with the other sites > out there – net-art-related and otherwise. > > When the long term can become the short term is, as always, anybody's > guess. > > F.
On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 01:17 PM, t.whid wrote:
> Here are some ideas how it might work: > > The RSS feed should be RARE only (or it could get seriously clogged > with junk). > > Anyone is allowed to sub, basically it's a way to get the front-page > of Rhiz in yer aggregator (headline and cropped text). If you follow > the link to the story the rules of Rhiz's website apply, members get > in to read the story, non-members don't (except on Fri).
Variety, the hollywood mag, has a feed like that. Actually, NY, LA and Washington Times work like that as well. You have to register to read the whole article.
> Pretty simple to start, no? Just take the data that builds the front > and package it in an RSS template. (i'm not sweating you to do it, > even simple things can take whole afternoons or a day to build i > know). > > The bigger questions…. Well, I'm not going to get into that for now. > But if Rhiz is going to stay vital then we've got to keep up with the > rest of the web.
Let's restate that to "Anybody involved in the web, including the net.art community".
>> RSS would probably be a part of that. Also, so might blogging, FOAF, >> and other emerging Semantic Web-type technologies. (Not sure how >> wikis would fit in, tho I think they're pretty cool too.) > > Rhiz should offer blogging for members perhaps, if it became popular, > might be able to drop the membership fee all together. It might be > very simple (and free) to set-up with blosxom. A new section of Rhiz > that aggregates everyone's blog? that would be cool.
:) Have I had this conversation with you before?
The issue here for some may be how to highlight the works without the site looking too bloggy. Has anyone checked out TypePad, especially their photoblogs? If you have a pro-account you have great flexibility and a few gig to play with. The one complaint I have is that their photoblogs have no RSS. I hope that changes with their inclusion of Atom feeds.
One of my big projects for the year is to re-desing and update potatoland. I want to get it up to standards (break it out of frames and make it readable beyond browsers) and see how I can create aggregatable content for all the works, as well as a pr/blog section. Mark hand codes like it's 1996 so the site is going to be a challenge, especially given his demand it cannot look at all like a blog. So I'll have quite a lot of template hacking to do (which I've already done elsewhere).
> let me know privately if you would like me to help out with any of > this stuff.
On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 12:19 PM, Francis Hwang wrote:
> t.whid wrote: > >> shouldn't rhizome have an XML feed (i prefer RSS)? >> >> ??? >> >> > > Yes. > > The bigger question is what sort of RSS feed – Raw? Rare? (There's > already a NAN RSS feed.)
I thought that was a bit of Javascript. Where's the XML or RDF file?
> The even bigger question is how Rhizome would do this without > compromising the membership structure we've got setup. Possibly the > biggest question is how a site like ours can integrate with an > increasingly decentralized web and still have a membership structure.
Technically you could password protect the RSS but not all aggregators would understand it. For some reason the RSS of a private blog I am subscribe to works on a colleague's NetNewsWire but not on mine –and we're using the same version and similar computers.
> RSS would probably be a part of that. Also, so might blogging, FOAF, > and other emerging Semantic Web-type technologies. (Not sure how wikis > would fit in, tho I think they're pretty cool too.)
Again, the wiki users would only be registered (meaning paying) users. You may want to look at Ross Mayfield's http://www.socialtext.com/
> FWIW, in the short term I'm not doing much about this since I just > don't have the person-hours to do it. In the long term I very much > want Rhizome to be more incestuously interlinked with the other sites > out there – net-art-related and otherwise.
You could easily start now by randomly aggregating content from members hosting their blogs at Datex. If you decide to stick to certain writers as contributors, then you 'negotiate' the terms of the syndication.
> When the long term can become the short term is, as always, anybody's > guess.
Meaning, you don't have the money to pay for the extra effort but if it comes, hey! you never know? Seems like working with Rhizome is kind of like sweating the lottery :)
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t.whid wrote:
> shouldn't rhizome have an XML feed (i prefer RSS)?
>
> ???
>
>
Yes.
The bigger question is what sort of RSS feed – Raw? Rare? (There's already a NAN RSS feed.) The even bigger question is how Rhizome would do this without compromising the membership structure we've got setup. Possibly the biggest question is how a site like ours can integrate with an increasingly decentralized web and still have a membership structure.
RSS would probably be a part of that. Also, so might blogging, FOAF, and other emerging Semantic Web-type technologies. (Not sure how wikis would fit in, tho I think they're pretty cool too.)
FWIW, in the short term I'm not doing much about this since I just don't have the person-hours to do it. In the long term I very much want Rhizome to be more incestuously interlinked with the other sites out there – net-art-related and otherwise.
When the long term can become the short term is, as always, anybody's guess.
F.
Hi Francis,
On Feb 5, 2004, at 12:19 PM, Francis Hwang wrote:
> t.whid wrote:
>
>> shouldn't rhizome have an XML feed (i prefer RSS)?
>>
>> ???
>>
>>
>
> Yes.
>
> The bigger question is what sort of RSS feed – Raw? Rare? (There's
> already a NAN RSS feed.) The even bigger question is how Rhizome would
> do this without compromising the membership structure we've got setup.
> Possibly the biggest question is how a site like ours can integrate
> with an increasingly decentralized web and still have a membership
> structure.
Here are some ideas how it might work:
The RSS feed should be RARE only (or it could get seriously clogged
with junk).
Anyone is allowed to sub, basically it's a way to get the front-page of
Rhiz in yer aggregator (headline and cropped text). If you follow the
link to the story the rules of Rhiz's website apply, members get in to
read the story, non-members don't (except on Fri).
Pretty simple to start, no? Just take the data that builds the front
and package it in an RSS template. (i'm not sweating you to do it, even
simple things can take whole afternoons or a day to build i know).
The bigger questions…. Well, I'm not going to get into that for now.
But if Rhiz is going to stay vital then we've got to keep up with the
rest of the web.
>
> RSS would probably be a part of that. Also, so might blogging, FOAF,
> and other emerging Semantic Web-type technologies. (Not sure how wikis
> would fit in, tho I think they're pretty cool too.)
Rhiz should offer blogging for members perhaps, if it became popular,
might be able to drop the membership fee all together. It might be very
simple (and free) to set-up with blosxom. A new section of Rhiz that
aggregates everyone's blog? that would be cool.
let me know privately if you would like me to help out with any of this
stuff.
>
> FWIW, in the short term I'm not doing much about this since I just
> don't have the person-hours to do it. In the long term I very much
> want Rhizome to be more incestuously interlinked with the other sites
> out there – net-art-related and otherwise.
>
> When the long term can become the short term is, as always, anybody's
> guess.
>
> F.
===
<twhid>
http://www.mteww.com
</twhid>
On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 01:17 PM, t.whid wrote:
> Here are some ideas how it might work:
>
> The RSS feed should be RARE only (or it could get seriously clogged
> with junk).
>
> Anyone is allowed to sub, basically it's a way to get the front-page
> of Rhiz in yer aggregator (headline and cropped text). If you follow
> the link to the story the rules of Rhiz's website apply, members get
> in to read the story, non-members don't (except on Fri).
Variety, the hollywood mag, has a feed like that. Actually, NY, LA and
Washington Times work like that as well. You have to register to read
the whole article.
> Pretty simple to start, no? Just take the data that builds the front
> and package it in an RSS template. (i'm not sweating you to do it,
> even simple things can take whole afternoons or a day to build i > know).
>
> The bigger questions…. Well, I'm not going to get into that for now.
> But if Rhiz is going to stay vital then we've got to keep up with the
> rest of the web.
Let's restate that to "Anybody involved in the web, including the
net.art community".
>> RSS would probably be a part of that. Also, so might blogging, FOAF,
>> and other emerging Semantic Web-type technologies. (Not sure how
>> wikis would fit in, tho I think they're pretty cool too.)
>
> Rhiz should offer blogging for members perhaps, if it became popular,
> might be able to drop the membership fee all together. It might be
> very simple (and free) to set-up with blosxom. A new section of Rhiz
> that aggregates everyone's blog? that would be cool.
:)
Have I had this conversation with you before?
The issue here for some may be how to highlight the works without the
site looking too bloggy. Has anyone checked out TypePad, especially
their photoblogs? If you have a pro-account you have great flexibility
and a few gig to play with. The one complaint I have is that their
photoblogs have no RSS. I hope that changes with their inclusion of
Atom feeds.
One of my big projects for the year is to re-desing and update
potatoland. I want to get it up to standards (break it out of frames
and make it readable beyond browsers) and see how I can create
aggregatable content for all the works, as well as a pr/blog section.
Mark hand codes like it's 1996 so the site is going to be a challenge,
especially given his demand it cannot look at all like a blog. So I'll
have quite a lot of template hacking to do (which I've already done
elsewhere).
> let me know privately if you would like me to help out with any of
> this stuff.
Same here.
/ l i z a, nyc
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On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 12:19 PM, Francis Hwang wrote:
> t.whid wrote:
>
>> shouldn't rhizome have an XML feed (i prefer RSS)?
>>
>> ???
>>
>>
>
> Yes.
>
> The bigger question is what sort of RSS feed – Raw? Rare? (There's
> already a NAN RSS feed.)
I thought that was a bit of Javascript. Where's the XML or RDF file?
> The even bigger question is how Rhizome would do this without
> compromising the membership structure we've got setup. Possibly the
> biggest question is how a site like ours can integrate with an
> increasingly decentralized web and still have a membership structure.
Technically you could password protect the RSS but not all aggregators
would understand it. For some reason the RSS of a private blog I am
subscribe to works on a colleague's NetNewsWire but not on mine –and
we're using the same version and similar computers.
> RSS would probably be a part of that. Also, so might blogging, FOAF,
> and other emerging Semantic Web-type technologies. (Not sure how wikis
> would fit in, tho I think they're pretty cool too.)
Again, the wiki users would only be registered (meaning paying) users.
You may want to look at Ross Mayfield's http://www.socialtext.com/
> FWIW, in the short term I'm not doing much about this since I just
> don't have the person-hours to do it. In the long term I very much
> want Rhizome to be more incestuously interlinked with the other sites
> out there – net-art-related and otherwise.
You could easily start now by randomly aggregating content from members
hosting their blogs at Datex. If you decide to stick to certain writers
as contributors, then you 'negotiate' the terms of the syndication.
> When the long term can become the short term is, as always, anybody's
> guess.
Meaning, you don't have the money to pay for the extra effort but if it
comes, hey! you never know? Seems like working with Rhizome is kind of
like sweating the lottery :)
l i z a
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www.culturekitchen.com