Fw: Your Rhizome.org contribution

Get a $5 bill. Fold it inside a piece of paper. Send it to Rhizome. 99% will
get there no problem and its far far cheaper than any other method.
Cheers,
Ivan

–
Ivan Pope
[email protected]
www.ivanpope.com
www.tochki-inc.com

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—– Original Message —–
From: Joao Pedro <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Cc: Oliveira Pereira <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:38 AM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: Your Rhizome.org contribution


>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "Joao Pedro" <[email protected]>
> To: "Francis Hwang" <[email protected]>
> Cc: "Oliveira Pereira" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Your Rhizome.org contribution
>
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > My contribution was sent on a cheque in foreign currencie, also!
> Frankly,
> > i don't understand why rhizome during all this time, kept on silence
about
> > restrictions, special conditions and exceptions that existes in all
> payments
> > forms. The rhizomers outside EUA, that don't have credit card to making
> her
> > donation, on the PayPal system, like me, are in difficulty and you don't
> > inform how can we solve the problem! I can't send from Portugal to USA,
a
> > money order or a value declared letter! And do you know how much cost
the
> > international cheque that i sent to rhizome?… I payed 15 Euros, only
by
> > the cheque issue! I ask again: why you didn't warn before?
> > My opinion about this kind of troubles, it's only because you don't
> give
> > to rhizomers a Bank account that make possible the direct transference
of
> > money, from everywhere. That's the usual proceeding to make payments to
> > cultural institutions, educational organizations and so one! Rhizome are
a
> > exception and for that reason, in practice, foreign members don't have
the
> > same access facilities than the others that lives in USA. Today, you are
> > impose a feed contribution and more than that: you have mark out two
> > distinct areas on the map world. The area where living rhizomers that
have
> > means to pay a feed, and the area of the others that don't have means to
> do
> > that! Of course, you don't want that kind of segregation, but in
practice,
> > it existes already!
> > I don't have intention to require a credit card, only for purpose to
> done
> > a sporadical payment on PayPal! It's a very simple question: if you
can't
> > raise my cheque, believe me, in my case you don't give more 60 days to
> solve
> > the problem, because i asked on my Bank, on the post-offices and the
> answer
> > is always the same: the direct transference of the money, to a specific
> bank
> > account, is the usual proceeding on similar cases.
> > If i lose contact with rhizome because of that, it would be sad, but
> tell
> > me, will there be another solution? Actually, i don't see none! To
rhizome
> > body, it's possible to live without one limb, without ten or hundred.
So,
> > for you, what difference does it make?…
> >
> > My best wishes:
> >
> > Joao
> > [email protected]
> >
> >
> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: "Francis Hwang" <[email protected]>
> > To: "Francis Hwang" <[email protected]>
> > Cc: "Alexis Vasilos" <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:03 PM
> > Subject: Your Rhizome.org contribution
> >
> >
> > > Hi everybody:
> > >
> > > We recently received some donations from Rhizomers in checks in
foreign
> > > currencies. Unfortunately, our bank will not accept checks written
from
> > > foreign banks. Your checks have not been deposited.
> > >
> > > Please note our donation options, as listed on our support page at
> > > http://rhizome.org/support. We find that online credit-card payment,
> > either
> > > through our secure payment page or PayPal, to be the most trouble-free
> way
> > > of paying.
> > >
> > > In order to continue service, we will be extending your membership
> > > expiration for 60 days, until March 19.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your support, and your patience.
> > >
> > > Francis Hwang
> > > Director of Technology
> > > Rhizome.org
> > > 212-989-2363
> > >
> > > + + +
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
> -> post: [email protected]
> -> questions: [email protected]
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>

you don't need a credit card to make a payment using paypal

setting up a european account would be a good idea. i'm not sure how to go
about it, but i will look into it.

> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: "Joao Pedro" <[email protected]>
> > To: "Francis Hwang" <[email protected]>
> > Cc: "Oliveira Pereira" <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: Your Rhizome.org contribution
> >
> >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > My contribution was sent on a cheque in foreign currencie, also!
> > Frankly,
> > > i don't understand why rhizome during all this time, kept on silence
>about
> > > restrictions, special conditions and exceptions that existes in all
> > payments
> > > forms. The rhizomers outside EUA, that don't have credit card to making
> > her
> > > donation, on the PayPal system, like me, are in difficulty and you don't
> > > inform how can we solve the problem! I can't send from Portugal to USA,
>a
> > > money order or a value declared letter! And do you know how much cost
>the
> > > international cheque that i sent to rhizome?… I payed 15 Euros, only
>by
> > > the cheque issue! I ask again: why you didn't warn before?
> > > My opinion about this kind of troubles, it's only because you don't
> > give
> > > to rhizomers a Bank account that make possible the direct transference
>of
> > > money, from everywhere. That's the usual proceeding to make payments to
> > > cultural institutions, educational organizations and so one! Rhizome are
>a
> > > exception and for that reason, in practice, foreign members don't have
>the
> > > same access facilities than the others that lives in USA. Today, you are
> > > impose a feed contribution and more than that: you have mark out two
> > > distinct areas on the map world. The area where living rhizomers that
>have
> > > means to pay a feed, and the area of the others that don't have means to
> > do
> > > that! Of course, you don't want that kind of segregation, but in
>practice,
> > > it existes already!
> > > I don't have intention to require a credit card, only for purpose to
> > done
> > > a sporadical payment on PayPal! It's a very simple question: if you
>can't
> > > raise my cheque, believe me, in my case you don't give more 60 days to
> > solve
> > > the problem, because i asked on my Bank, on the post-offices and the
> > answer
> > > is always the same: the direct transference of the money, to a specific
> > bank
> > > account, is the usual proceeding on similar cases.
> > > If i lose contact with rhizome because of that, it would be sad, but
> > tell
> > > me, will there be another solution? Actually, i don't see none! To
>rhizome
> > > body, it's possible to live without one limb, without ten or hundred.
>So,
> > > for you, what difference does it make?…
> > >
> > > My best wishes:
> > >
> > > Joao
> > > [email protected]
> > >
> > >
> > > —– Original Message —–
> > > From: "Francis Hwang" <[email protected]>
> > > To: "Francis Hwang" <[email protected]>
> > > Cc: "Alexis Vasilos" <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:03 PM
> > > Subject: Your Rhizome.org contribution
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi everybody:
> > > >
> > > > We recently received some donations from Rhizomers in checks in
>foreign
> > > > currencies. Unfortunately, our bank will not accept checks written
>from
> > > > foreign banks. Your checks have not been deposited.
> > > >
> > > > Please note our donation options, as listed on our support page at
> > > > http://rhizome.org/support. We find that online credit-card payment,
> > > either
> > > > through our secure payment page or PayPal, to be the most trouble-free
> > way
> > > > of paying.
> > > >
> > > > In order to continue service, we will be extending your membership
> > > > expiration for 60 days, until March 19.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your support, and your patience.
> > > >
> > > > Francis Hwang
> > > > Director of Technology
> > > > Rhizome.org
> > > > 212-989-2363
> > > >
> > > > + + +
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
> > -> post: [email protected]
> > -> questions: [email protected]
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > +
> > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >
>
>+ ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
>-> post: [email protected]
>-> questions: [email protected]
>-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>+
>Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php

On Thursday, Jan 23, 2003, at 11:00 America/New_York, Mark Tribe wrote:

> you don't need a credit card to make a payment using paypal

Sorry to rub you the wrong way but I think Paypal is evil. My credit
card id was stolen thanks to Paypal. They would have run with my bank
account info as well if I had given it to them.

I'd follow Ivan's tip –just send in the freaking five dollar bill.

Liza

Hi Tim,

Through Ebay. I won an auction for some software but it was all a scam.
Other people on similar auctions got completely ripped off –the
assholes ran away with more than $2K of auction money from different
people because somehow they made it so that Paypal would not accept
none of our credit cards and would force people into opening accounts
that had to be tied to brick and mortar bank accounts. It would not
shock me if this was done by people working for Paypal (not necessarily
within Paypal).

I NEVER give out bank account information. So I postponed immediate
payment. I anyway had one the auction fair and square, right? Well,
time passes by and I first hear from a Michelle whose real name is
Laura Kroft. Yes, that is right Laura Kroft with a Fort Lee address.
Well, the address was actually a mail box out in Fort Lee that was
promptly closed when complaints to Ebay came in. Since I did not open
the PayPal account, I did not lose the cash but somehow they managed to
get our credit card information and make charges.

I cannot reinforce the importance of using credit cards, period! Do not
even use charge cards with VISA or MC logos. Just use credit cards. In
the US credit card holders are protected and our liability is minimal.
Not so with charge cards tied to bank accounts. Your money can and will
be wiped-out through Paypal or another company and your money will be
gone, kaput. Good luck getting it back. The dispute process can be a
long and excruciating process and last I checked liability differs from
bank to bank. If you lost $500 and the bank's liability is $500, guess
what, you're out of your money.

Whose got that kind of money to lose if they need to pay the bills and
feed their kids RIGHT NOW? So stay away from Paypal.

Liza




On Saturday, Jan 25, 2003, at 13:25 America/New_York, t.whid wrote:

> hey liza,
>
> i use paypal and it's tied into my bank account so i'm a little scared.
>
> how did this scam happen to you?
>
>
> On Saturday, January 25, 2003, at 01:12 PM, Liza Sabater wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, Jan 23, 2003, at 11:00 America/New_York, Mark Tribe
>> wrote:
>>
>>> you don't need a credit card to make a payment using paypal
>>
>> Sorry to rub you the wrong way but I think Paypal is evil. My credit
>> card id was stolen thanks to Paypal. They would have run with my bank
>> account info as well if I had given it to them.
>>
>> I'd follow Ivan's tip –just send in the freaking five dollar bill.
>>
>> Liza