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> What if the new regime in Iraq will be a positive economic-political model
for the rest of the Middle East like postwar Japan was for Asia?

my guess is that it won't be like Japan … because I don't think the new
leaders of Iraq will be as dedicated (as the Japanese) to educating the
general populace. I hope I'm wrong. Egypt and Saudi Arabia seem to place a
high value on Education but many muslim leaders discourage learning unless
its about the Koran.


>
> Also, is the Middle East even polarized towards Iraq as the regional
hegemon? Is it some other country, perhaps? Saudi Arabia?
>

no, because Iraq is a secular nation. whereas most others are governed by
the laws within the Koran. some "experts" have said that one of the main
reasons the arab community has been relatively quite about a regime change
in Iraq is becasue Iraq is not a Muslim Government.

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Saddam should quietly retire. The world should let him die quietly alone
(under watch ..), well not alone but (let him become)depresidentialized
(which) is enough ? humiliation ? for someone used to ruling for so long
with ambitions …..

Let him say: okay guys I'm retiring.

Iraq has the potential. Iraq, egypt and syria used to have an alliance
the UAR - in which during the 60s they were trying to be the
"modernizing" "forward looking" leader states with an independent
(neutral between commy Soviets and imperialist free states) to leftist
bent of the just-decolonized from britain/France/Italy kind. Saudi was
british pro US as were Iran (shah) israel and jordan sandwiched crazily.
Uncontrolled rebellious and nationalisms regionalist enthicisms mad
everywhere, wasting energy, which could have been spent wisely for
instance instead of on the palaces commemmorative cities and of all
things highways ! Pallid symbols of soulless dying. Modernizing hah.

Would I surive a internetblogged journey fronm east bengal to the
maghreb on a solarpowered batteryassisted handheld with a sat connection
on camelback. Don't know. K2 and back to K, yes.

An aside: does any one know how to get such a connection. And any ideas
on the machine. (for a more ReaL but just as much imagined project).
Well how is one to avoid wiretapping ? Thuraya ? I remember these video
blogs by these K2 climbers who vidblogged (actually its was just stills)
till the batteries went out and they disappeared into the higher peak.
They were conserving energy. Then they came down. Bluewhiteall.



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What if the new regime in Iraq will be a positive economic-political
model for the rest of the Middle East like postwar Japan was for Asia?

Also, is the Middle East even polarized towards Iraq as the regional
hegemon? Is it some other country, perhaps? Saudi Arabia?

I know, I'm painfully ignorant.

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'laws within the koran' is a strange phrase.
The laws that are applied are a distorted result of selective and
politically convenient 'sharia 'laws, all islamic sounding facades for
brutally 'military' regimes. This is a pretty general (common) sentiment
anywhere.so if you start from here youll, see people robbed by
'modernists (although 'educating' in spurts starts) , in competition
with religious anticlcolonialist except the ones like the wahabbis in
Sauia arabia which were supported by he british. Well they had to do
last minute things before they left , too, like carve out israel.
People, whose talking about them?

To me this sounds too idyllic: many muslim leaders discourage learning
unless its about the Koran. Maybe ina remote inaccessible valley where
there five houses and only have one track or road but no money or desire
to leave the beautiful peoplace popuplace. 'Secularism' has done its
damage. The desires are all rotten. No people no exist. Desire is
luxury. unLaWfuL. Unwanted unutilized punishing. Life is punishing,
except for …

And what a mess of highways is israel !


Where are the ordinary folk in america ? Ever wonder. Carracing
bluegrassly. Wasted ? [?]]]?]]]??]]]]?] ADL>disbandrupting
terrorists ?

States are sick concepts. [Divide] [and] [rule] ?us? <<<<<<?<<<<<<<.
possible. >>>>>>?>>>>>> -

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> What if the new regime in Iraq will be a positive economic-political
> model
for the rest of the Middle East like postwar Japan was for Asia?

my guess is that it won't be like Japan … because I don't think the
new leaders of Iraq will be as dedicated (as the Japanese) to educating
the general populace. I hope I'm wrong. Egypt and Saudi Arabia seem to
place a high value on Education but many muslim leaders discourage
learning unless its about the Koran.


>
> Also, is the Middle East even polarized towards Iraq as the regional
hegemon? Is it some other country, perhaps? Saudi Arabia?
>

no, because Iraq is a secular nation. whereas most others are governed
by the laws within the Koran. some "experts" have said that one of the
main reasons the arab community has been relatively quite about a regime
change in Iraq is becasue Iraq is not a Muslim Government.

david goldschmidt

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