Expectations

I've noticed a lot of people lately talking about how "now that Rhizome
is a pay service…."

The thing is, as far as I understand it, Rhizome is asking us to
contribute to make up for lost grants- meaning we are paying to maintain
the status quo. I don't expect any changes to Rhizome whatsoever,
regardless of the fact that some people are now paying for it, and I
certainly would not count on expansions.

Of course, maybe Mark and Rachel would like to clarify this before we go
to pay service mode.

-e.






Christopher Fahey [askrom] wrote:

>Ivan Pope wrote:
>
>>After all, 415 artworks submitted,
>>more than one a day. That must represent a huge investment of
>>effort by a community of artists, technicians, researchers, teachers,
>>students and the general public.
>>
>
>And by Rhizome's own staff and volunteers!
>
>
>>But there is no context. There is no critical discourse
>>
>
>There is some. First, there is the (daily?) NetArtNews. This is great -
>I require my students to subscribe to it. Okay, it's not very 'critical'
>I guess.
>
>The Rhizome front page (in the Art+Text column) features a whole bunch
>of blog-like entries about Artbase items, news, events, etc. These are
>contributed by Rhizome authors who put a lot of work into them.
>
>
>>and almost no online discussion.
>>
>
>True, it is hard to call what goes on on RAW a "discussion". But as they
>say in vaudeville: these are the jokes, folks.
>
>
>>Works are added to Rhizome, but there are no tools to analyse what is
>>
>added.
>
>>No way to take the pulse of production. There is not even a way to
>>
>explore
>
>>the store of works. You can't search by genre or keyword.
>>
>
>Well, using my ArtBase piece (ada1852) you can (sorta) do both :). But I
>see your point - I seem to remember a keyword or genre search on Rhizome
>once, but maybe I'm mixed up.
>
>
>>There is no linkage between works and discussion.
>>
>
>That's very true. I like the way lots of blog and community sites let
>you comment on entries and view all the other users' comments. Many
>sites, like Slashdot, allow certain comments to become more important
>than others (for example, if the author is a frequent poster or one that
>other posters rate highly). This would be an excellent feature addition
>to the Rhizome community. Rhizome would become a great forum for people
>who really do want to talk about specific works of online artwork.
>
>Imagine the NetArtNews entries and Art+Text entries, not to mention RAW
>community commentary, actually associated with ArtBase artworks. First,
>visitors to ArtBase works could get an idea of what people are saying
>about their work. Artworks that were discussed a lot, or reviewed
>(positively or negatively, doesn't matter) by highly-rated reviewers,
>would stick out from the bunch quite clearly. Etc.
>
>Your comments in general point to a lot of possibilities that Rhizome
>should look into, and I agree that the fee service ought to enable such
>things.
>
>-Cf
>
>[christopher eli fahey]
>art: http://www.graphpaper.com
>sci: http://www.askrom.com
>biz: http://www.behaviordesign.com
>
>
>
>
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Comments

, Mark Tribe

hi eryk:

actually, we do plan to make substantial improvements and expansions in the
coming year. we realize that the site could be a lot better, and have a
long to-do list. its not so much a matter of doing more than we otherwise
would have done, but rather keeping rhizome going so we can do what we
would have done anyway–things like implementing a decent search function,
improving the way threaded discussion works on the fresh texts page, and
adding more features to the calendar and opportunities pages. our
priorities will as always be driven by member feedback.

we should be posting a list of planned improvements and fixes in the near
future.

in the meantime, thanks for your patience and support!

best,

mark

At 09:29 PM 1/4/2003 -0500, Eryk Salvaggio wrote:


>I've noticed a lot of people lately talking about how "now that Rhizome is
>a pay service…."
>
>The thing is, as far as I understand it, Rhizome is asking us to
>contribute to make up for lost grants- meaning we are paying to maintain
>the status quo. I don't expect any changes to Rhizome whatsoever,
>regardless of the fact that some people are now paying for it, and I
>certainly would not count on expansions.
>
>Of course, maybe Mark and Rachel would like to clarify this before we go
>to pay service mode.
>
>-e.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Christopher Fahey [askrom] wrote:
>>
>>Ivan Pope wrote:
>>>
>>>After all, 415 artworks submitted,
>>>more than one a day. That must represent a huge investment of
>>>effort by a community of artists, technicians, researchers, teachers,
>>>students and the general public.
>>
>>
>>And by Rhizome's own staff and volunteers!
>>
>>
>>>
>>>But there is no context. There is no critical discourse
>>
>>
>>There is some. First, there is the (daily?) NetArtNews. This is great -
>>I require my students to subscribe to it. Okay, it's not very 'critical'
>>I guess.
>>
>>The Rhizome front page (in the Art+Text column) features a whole bunch
>>of blog-like entries about Artbase items, news, events, etc. These are
>>contributed by Rhizome authors who put a lot of work into them.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>and almost no online discussion.
>>
>>
>>True, it is hard to call what goes on on RAW a "discussion". But as they
>>say in vaudeville: these are the jokes, folks.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Works are added to Rhizome, but there are no tools to analyse what is
>>
>>added.
>>>
>>>No way to take the pulse of production. There is not even a way to
>>
>>explore
>>>
>>>the store of works. You can't search by genre or keyword.
>>
>>
>>Well, using my ArtBase piece (ada1852) you can (sorta) do both :). But I
>>see your point - I seem to remember a keyword or genre search on Rhizome
>>once, but maybe I'm mixed up.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>There is no linkage between works and discussion.
>>
>>
>>That's very true. I like the way lots of blog and community sites let
>>you comment on entries and view all the other users' comments. Many
>>sites, like Slashdot, allow certain comments to become more important
>>than others (for example, if the author is a frequent poster or one that
>>other posters rate highly). This would be an excellent feature addition
>>to the Rhizome community. Rhizome would become a great forum for people
>>who really do want to talk about specific works of online artwork.
>>
>>Imagine the NetArtNews entries and Art+Text entries, not to mention RAW
>>community commentary, actually associated with ArtBase artworks. First,
>>visitors to ArtBase works could get an idea of what people are saying
>>about their work. Artworks that were discussed a lot, or reviewed
>>(positively or negatively, doesn't matter) by highly-rated reviewers,
>>would stick out from the bunch quite clearly. Etc.
>>
>>Your comm
>>ents in general point to a lot of possibilities that Rhizome
>>should look into, and I agree that the fee service ought to enable such
>>things.
>>
>>-Cf
>>
>>[christopher eli fahey]
>>art: <http://www.graphpaper.com>http://www.graphpaper.com
>>sci: <http://www.askrom.com>http://www.askrom.com
>>biz: <http://www.behaviordesign.com>http://www.behaviordesign.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>+ ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
>>-> post: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
>>-> questions: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
>>-> subscribe/unsubscribe:
>><http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz>http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>>-> give: <http://rhizome.org/support>http://rhizome.org/support
>>+
>>Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>>Membership Agreement available online at
>><http://rhizome.org/info/29.php>http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>>