Way of New Relations: Early Notes of Igmar van Shlagel

Hey max, we haven't had a fight yet. How bout you call me the most filthy name
you can think of and then I will return with one. Ok. Start.

Its my birthday, I can act stupid can't I?

Joseph

Quoting Max Herman <[email protected]>:

>
>
> Re: Finch's "Art Versus Evil"
>
> by maxherman, 10.25.02 08:31 pm
>
> Why not know, but masterpiece and ave threads seem related. Things are so
> frickin weird! I mean weird like aliens posing as humans weird. But that's
> just me, own fault, gorra bchezne.
>
> So, I looked at what bands the Strokes like, and how they seem to have been
> to fancy prep schools sorta. Anyway, are they evil? Only a dullard would get
> caught up in that. There is some relation between privilege and suffering, a
> balance, like a titre. My friend who studies Bayesian economics (the sum of
> all sub-event probabilities is greater than one, and statistical prediction
> errs in determining search-horizons i.e. finding only itself) at U of U in
> UT is a "truly nice" man, and once told another band member we sound like
> the Strokes. To say the Strokes are evil would be to ungraciously
> under-accept a compliment, which is a grievous sinful manner of evil. Fit
> only for the priest, the slave, and the liberticide.
>
> I'm a tad parry (paranoid) but it was icy sleet in Eveleth today. I swear I
> can't tell the diff between acts of god and alien prophetic manipulations
> lately. I do know that paranoia is a form of willful exhaustive anemania.
> C'est la vie. But hold on! One second.
>
> The Strokes' job is to make music, and if the sum total of all good created
> by those capable of good is less than the sum of all bad, we'll jointly be
> tasting the cracker. It's a sin to get pissy about what others aren't
> doing

money better
money better
money better
money better

i'm going to have to think about that. ;-)

btw - i recently bought a c&c 27 … i've been living on water for about a
week (on a mooring, not at a marina). its rather ridiculous. i mean, i
have to row my dingy into shore to go to work *laughing*. still, it is
helping me to unplug. you can see a pic of one like mine at cnc-owners.com

best,

david goldschmidt


—– Original Message —–
From: "Max Herman" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 8:47 PM
Subject: Way of New Relations: Early Notes of Igmar van Shlagel


>
>
> Re: Finch's "Art Versus Evil"
>
> by maxherman, 10.25.02 08:31 pm
>
> Why not know, but masterpiece and ave threads seem related. Things are so
> frickin weird! I mean weird like aliens posing as humans weird. But that's
> just me, own fault, gorra bchezne.
>
> So, I looked at what bands the Strokes like, and how they seem to have
been
> to fancy prep schools sorta. Anyway, are they evil? Only a dullard would
get
> caught up in that. There is some relation between privilege and suffering,
a
> balance, like a titre. My friend who studies Bayesian economics (the sum
of
> all sub-event probabilities is greater than one, and statistical
prediction
> errs in determining search-horizons i.e. finding only itself) at U of U in
> UT is a "truly nice" man, and once told another band member we sound like
> the Strokes. To say the Strokes are evil would be to ungraciously
> under-accept a compliment, which is a grievous sinful manner of evil. Fit
> only for the priest, the slave, and the liberticide.
>
> I'm a tad parry (paranoid) but it was icy sleet in Eveleth today. I swear
I
> can't tell the diff between acts of god and alien prophetic manipulations
> lately. I do know that paranoia is a form of willful exhaustive anemania.
> C'est la vie. But hold on! One second.
>
> The Strokes' job is to make music, and if the sum total of all good
created
> by those capable of good is less than the sum of all bad, we'll jointly be
> tasting the cracker. It's a sin to get pissy about what others aren't
> doing-do it thyself!
>
> To be sure we are in a soup of money v. terror. Something is asking me to
> make money better, more good, to save it from terror without and within.
> Like this one poem, "now that we know where the shoe pinches." Ossamer
says
> "the West" is weak, trivial, fake, on prozac, libertine, evil. West say he
> is. Probably both right and both wrong Bayes-wise. Why blame the Strokes?
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "David Goldschmidt" <[email protected]>
> >Reply-To: "David Goldschmidt" <[email protected]>
> >To: <[email protected]>
> >CC: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>,
> ><[email protected]>
> >Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: big brother is coming
> >Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 17:26:10 -0400
> >
> >very true joseph. i know that [corporations] are doing the "right" thing
> >and i've witnessed the same passion within the corporate culture.
> >
> >however, i'm very nervous because, at times, it seems as if major issues
> >are
> >seen only in economic/capitalistic terms rather than constitutional
terms.
> >the declaration of independence says we have the right to life, liberty
and
> >happiness/property (read "property" circa john locke, thomas hobbes).
the
> >bill of rights guarantees free speech.
> >
> >in my opinion … in my personal agenda … in my propaganda … i
believe
> >that the right to free speech is significantly more important than
> >protecting copyrights for 70 plus years!!!!!!!! fuck disney!!!!!
> >
> >i tend to get very excited around "fair use" and "copyright" issues
because
> >i see pop culture icons as an alphabet/language … these images have
> >meaning. their messages resonate throughout our culture and i believe
that
> >we should have the right to use them … to challenge the message … to
> >challenge the messenger.
> >
> >i'm nearly finished with a newmedia essay on "human hell". i hope you
will
> >watch it when its done.
> >
> >images are language … not property
> >images are a kind of alphabet … not property
> >
> >david goldschmidt
> >www.personify.tv
> >
> >
> >—– Original Message —–
> >From: <[email protected]>
> >To: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
> >Cc: "David Goldschmidt" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
> >Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 4:48 PM
> >Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: big brother is coming
> >
> >
> > > Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, David Goldschmidt wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Some cheap propagandist
> > > > ape-in-state-of-stupor-and-unable-to-handle-reality reposted
schlock.
> > > >
> > > > Still on about how it's all right to punch people in the face if ya
> >don't
> > > > like them? Faces, masks, corporate trademarks / brands are 'faces'
you
> > > > know.
> > >
> > > How to answer harm without harm? The reality is I have been punched,
did
> >the
> > > punch hurt me? Now should I punch back? Did the punch reach through
and
> >hurt
> > > my genetic line? If I punch, will it affect anything?
> > >
> > > You know David, most of these people in these companies actually think
> >they are
> > > doing a good thing. I have been an Open Source advocate, for a
> > > practical personal agenda and not a political/philosophical one. So I
> >saw
> >all
> > > this passion on both sides that is purely from each thinking they are
> >doing the
> > > "right" thing. Perhaps it is fear of what the other side will do that
> >creates
> > > these flames. Companies are afraid of losing money and market share.
> >Creators
> > > are afraid of losing creative freedom and the ability to have channels
> >to
> > > distribute their creations. These are not actually related at all,
> >other
> >than
> > > the same set of laws are being debated.
> > >
> > > Joseph
> > >
> >
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, David Goldschmidt wrote:

> btw - i recently bought a c&c 27 … i've been living on water for about a
> week (on a mooring, not at a marina). its rather ridiculous. i mean, i
> have to row my dingy into shore to go to work *laughing*. still, it is
> helping me to unplug. you can see a pic of one like mine at cnc-owners.com

Nice boat! (Where is it?) I've got a little houseboat in the
California Delta, and am looking for a small sailboat to
putter around in… thinking about the West Wight Potter.
Plan to spend the majority of next summer afloat. However,
I'm attempting to get wireless net service on the boat. It's
potentially very fast: DSL speed. Hope to then create a
little 'local' free wireless network amongst the boaters in
two marinas.




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hi brad-

sorry for the delay … i completely missed your reply.

right now i'm in a basin just off Davis Island, Tampa Bay, Florida. I
looked into the wireless thing but had no success. you probably have more
options in Cali. if you get a chance … please send me a link to the
service provider that you are going to use.

i may be jumping ship in early summer … florida summers SUCK! very hot
and humid and mosquitos. but i'm really enjoying it right now.

best,

david goldschmidt






—– Original Message —–
From: "{ brad brace }" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Way of New Relations: Early Notes of Igmar van
Shlagel


> On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, David Goldschmidt wrote:
>
> > btw - i recently bought a c&c 27 … i've been living on water for about
a
> > week (on a mooring, not at a marina). its rather ridiculous. i mean, i
> > have to row my dingy into shore to go to work *laughing*. still, it is
> > helping me to unplug. you can see a pic of one like mine at
cnc-owners.com
>
> Nice boat! (Where is it?) I've got a little houseboat in the
> California Delta, and am looking for a small sailboat to
> putter around in… thinking about the West Wight Potter.
> Plan to spend the majority of next summer afloat. However,
> I'm attempting to get wireless net service on the boat. It's
> potentially very fast: DSL speed. Hope to then create a
> little 'local' free wireless network amongst the boaters in
> two marinas.
>
>
>
>
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