If You Are Bored, The Terrorists Win

[email protected] wrote:

>I am SO SORRY for those that suffer so for the politics that are IGNORING the
>Al Quaeda nest that has been stirred up in favour of a war with Iraq only for
>THESE are apparently; these innocent elitist disco revellers our "frontline
>army" and THAT is NOT FAIR!!
>

Right, you know John Walker Lindh told the FBI that most of the
Terrorists went to Yemen, and that he suspected that was where Bin Laden
was. So the dominos fall- first Iraq, then Yemen. Why Iraq is still
anyones guess, if the terrorists - uhm, "The Terrorists", sorry- are
hq'd in Yemen and we have evidence of their existence in Yemen and we
know Yemen is big on the terror, why are we not going after Yemen? [Of
course I don't see why we'd "go after" anyone war wise- but if Bush is
itchy for another war you'd think Yemen. I'd really rather be asking
"why aren't we heavily policing and investigating Yemen?" ] The war on
afghanistan was deemed a failure by some dudes at the CIA or something,
anyone remember that link?


>These civilian casualities are far from the first or last victims of this
>ongoing worldwide war cry which may jeopardize more lives as time passes.
>

World Wide? You mean American / British. WASP-Wide war cry. [Excepting
the tiny percentage of militant Islamists who insist on giving Bush
something to fight.]

>
>That said, let's please think of those in Australia, England, Germany and the
>other countries (Sweden) and nationalities "Indonesian" experiencing a sad
>taste of what we in New York had an overabundant supply of just over a year
>ago today.
>

I'm at a loss for why Australians are being targeted. What's next,
Iceland? What the hell does Australia have to do with anything? Scratch
that actually, I guess killing hundreds of Icelanders makes as much
sense as killing Americans or Sudanese or Kurds or Australians.


>Yes, it only just happened but how many
>government agencies must CLEAR the fact that the Al Quaeda are already being
>blamed by the BBC while CNN avoids
>a) personifying the dead
>b) personifying the living
>c) personifying at all!
>d) personifying the organization (responsible) and naming them or offering,
>least, educated guesses…
>

I dunno, what's so great about conjecture in news reporting? What if
this isn't Al Qaieda and is some other terrorist organization? Why does
it matter really, I guess, I mean it reminds me of when some crazy guy
hijacked a Bus in georgia pretty soon after 9/11 and killed 7 people or
so, and the police were like "Oh it's not a big deal, this guy wasn't a
terrorist." Oh and what do you mean by personifying? Because that isn't
so great either really.


>Instead we have a CNN News Source that speaks in terms of building damages
>and the explosive devices used in the mission….in other words the THINGS
>AROUND the "human stories." God forbid we should stop worrying about our
>"domestic welfare" via the Sniper I suppose.
>

Oh, I heard something ridiculous today; a poll that says Johnny and Jane
America are now more afraid of being killed by a sniper than they are by
terrorist attacks. I had to wonder if Bush would find some Iraqi link to
Snipers; declare war on snipers, that sort of thing. The sniper doesn't
worry me really. Six billion people on the planet and only one of them
is going around shooting people randomly? I like those odds, you know?
How many flowers bloom in a single season compared to how many humans
are running around randomly with a rifle? Like people are so weird with
numbers and perception; car crashes and cancer are the more likely cause
of death but everyone only worries about the dramatic stuff. If only we
were half as worried about heart disease than we are about terrorism. Is
it just a control issue? "I can always watch my diet and even if I never
do and die of a heart attack; at least it was me who killed myself, and
not some guy who wants to kill me for a country I didn't even know
existed?" But we're still not in control of dying from McNuggets, Ronald
McDonald is. Maybe the futility of terrorist deaths is what scares me so
much about it. Violent, futile and stupid deaths are what scare me, not
"terrorism" per se. But why is it preferable to die in a car crash? Why
does political violence fascinate us so much more than other kinds of
deaths? Is there really such thing as a "humdrum" way to die?

>We NEED a more WORDLY and INTERNATIONAL face on an INTERNATIONAL problem
>which is why I am so troubled by US unilateralism (personally) when we HAVE a
>UN (really)!
>

The US is acting in a scary manner, certainly. I saw some military big
wigs on frontline from 1999, talking about how America had a
responsibility to be the best military in the world because it
functioned in a way that no other country in the world does. It goes
into small scale conflicts and determines the winner; and this is
designed to avoid full fledged wars like we saw in WWI and WW2. The
"problem" seems to be that the UN is getting wary of this; doesn't want
change but containment, and the US "wants change now." Interesting thing
on Frontline, it was about "The Future of War" and focused on heavy
machinery, had Dick Cheney talking about how we can't get involved in
over seas skirmishes any more, an Isolationist America stance, now
flipped completely. Quite telling was that they showed a war game taking
place; it was the US and Nato against a new Middle Eastern Alliance, and
the Alliance attacked us domestically and NATO and the US wrote it off
as a loss from the war and focused on getting the the heart of the
fictitious Middle Eastern Alliance. [The NRI they called it, "New
Republic of Islam," but maybe I'm messing this up with some horrible
dream I had.]


>CNN is most hopped up on the front page on sniper details and
>our own media chose not to display this disaster front and center and I for
>one am outraged! How much more do we need to go through to support "red
>dragon" at the box office?? I mean, a serial killer has apparently become
>the national anti-hero displacing Osama while the "terrorism" goes on playing
>in the background like a musical score.
>

Oh yeah but we love the violence don't we? Have some more hot dogs and
eat a whole chicken while you watch some football and you'll feel
better, America! God, we sell BUCKETS OF DEAD CHICKENS for people to EAT
and we wonder why people have a violence fetish? Not to mention that the
inevitable result most people have towards boredom is to break something
or hurt themselves…

Let me put in the obligatory "America is a great place to be", but we
have huge gaping holes where our culture is supposed to be, particularly
when it comes to being a fifteen year old kid in the suburbs. It's
really interesting that our two biggest random-violence generators are
tortured and bored adolescents and passionately hopeless religious
fundamentalists; although I'm not sure how far a thriving indie rock
scene in Palestine would be helping us these days. But hell, why not?

-e.













By the way, I hate this sig
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Comments

, Max Herman

I been thinkin' this one over–I mean not the post, but the "war"–and I'm
still thinking Starship Troopers, General Howser, Johnny, Zim. The military
genius is off the hook goin' hogwild glassing the planet and we artists are
mobile infantry genii who have to mop up. Planet P. We have find a brain
bug (our own brain of course) and figure it out.

I haven't read this post yet even, but the subject line is well-wrought.

Also, I have been wanting to use the word "retarded"–I use it in my
personal banter but it is a vulgar term, plus at my new PT yob I assisted
moving plants for customers, one of whom had Down's Syndrome–but have
decided it is too epithetic and gross, so I think I will use the word
"arrested" from now onward.

So take me with a shaker of salt–I'm arrested!

Bon chance,

Skip Herman
afterburnin.co.uk

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ps–why are the posts so delayed and scrambled, here, showing up like a week
late? It's irritating.

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>From: Eryk Salvaggio <[email protected]>
>Reply-To: Eryk Salvaggio <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RHIZOME\_RAW: If You Are Bored, The Terrorists Win
>Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 02:25:31 -0400
>
>
>
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>>I am SO SORRY for those that suffer so for the politics that are IGNORING
>>the Al Quaeda nest that has been stirred up in favour of a war with Iraq
>>only for THESE are apparently; these innocent elitist disco revellers our
>>"frontline army" and THAT is NOT FAIR!!
>>
>
>Right, you know John Walker Lindh told the FBI that most of the Terrorists
>went to Yemen, and that he suspected that was where Bin Laden was. So the
>dominos fall- first Iraq, then Yemen. Why Iraq is still anyones guess, if
>the terrorists - uhm, "The Terrorists", sorry- are hq'd in Yemen and we
>have evidence of their existence in Yemen and we know Yemen is big on the
>terror, why are we not going after Yemen? [Of course I don't see why we'd
>"go after" anyone war wise- but if Bush is itchy for another war you'd
>think Yemen. I'd really rather be asking "why aren't we heavily policing
>and investigating Yemen?" ] The war on afghanistan was deemed a failure by
>some dudes at the CIA or something, anyone remember that link?
>
>
>>These civilian casualities are far from the first or last victims of this
>>ongoing worldwide war cry which may jeopardize more lives as time passes.
>>
>
>World Wide? You mean American / British. WASP-Wide war cry. [Excepting the
>tiny percentage of militant Islamists who insist on giving Bush something
>to fight.]
>
>> That said, let's please think of those in Australia, England, Germany
>>and the other countries (Sweden) and nationalities "Indonesian"
>>experiencing a sad taste of what we in New York had an overabundant supply
>>of just over a year ago today.
>>
>
>I'm at a loss for why Australians are being targeted. What's next, Iceland?
>What the hell does Australia have to do with anything? Scratch that
>actually, I guess killing hundreds of Icelanders makes as much sense as
>killing Americans or Sudanese or Kurds or Australians.
>
>
>>Yes, it only just happened but how many government agencies must CLEAR the
>>fact that the Al Quaeda are already being blamed by the BBC while CNN
>>avoids a) personifying the dead
>>b) personifying the living
>>c) personifying at all!
>>d) personifying the organization (responsible) and naming them or
>>offering, least, educated guesses…
>>
>
>I dunno, what's so great about conjecture in news reporting? What if this
>isn't Al Qaieda and is some other terrorist organization? Why does it
>matter really, I guess, I mean it reminds me of when some crazy guy
>hijacked a Bus in georgia pretty soon after 9/11 and killed 7 people or so,
>and the police were like "Oh it's not a big deal, this guy wasn't a
>terrorist." Oh and what do you mean by personifying? Because that isn't so
>great either really.
>
>
>>Instead we have a CNN News Source that speaks in terms of building damages
>>and the explosive devices used in the mission….in other words the THINGS
>>AROUND the "human stories." God forbid we should stop worrying about our
>>"domestic welfare" via the Sniper I suppose.
>>
>
>Oh, I heard something ridiculous today; a poll that says Johnny and Jane
>America are now more afraid of being killed by a sniper than they are by
>terrorist attacks. I had to wonder if Bush would find some Iraqi link to
>Snipers; declare war on snipers, that sort of thing. The sniper doesn't
>worry me really. Six billion people on the planet and only one of them is
>going around shooting people randomly? I like those odds, you know? How
>many flowers bloom in a single season compared to how many humans are
>running around randomly with a rifle? Like people are so weird with numbers
>and perception; car crashes and cancer are the more likely cause of death
>but everyone only worries about the dramatic stuff. If only we were half as
>worried about heart disease than we are about terrorism. Is it just a
>control issue? "I can always watch my diet and even if I never do and die
>of a heart attack; at least it was me who killed myself, and not some guy
>who wants to kill me for a country I didn't even know existed?" But we're
>still not in control of dying from McNuggets, Ronald McDonald is. Maybe the
>futility of terrorist deaths is what scares me so much about it. Violent,
>futile and stupid deaths are what scare me, not "terrorism" per se. But why
>is it preferable to die in a car crash? Why does political violence
>fascinate us so much more than other kinds of deaths? Is there really such
>thing as a "humdrum" way to die?
>
>>We NEED a more WORDLY and INTERNATIONAL face on an INTERNATIONAL problem
>>which is why I am so troubled by US unilateralism (personally) when we
>>HAVE a UN (really)!
>>
>
>The US is acting in a scary manner, certainly. I saw some military big wigs
>on frontline from 1999, talking about how America had a responsibility to
>be the best military in the world because it functioned in a way that no
>other country in the world does. It goes into small scale conflicts and
>determines the winner; and this is designed to avoid full fledged wars like
>we saw in WWI and WW2. The "problem" seems to be that the UN is getting
>wary of this; doesn't want change but containment, and the US "wants change
>now." Interesting thing on Frontline, it was about "The Future of War" and
>focused on heavy machinery, had Dick Cheney talking about how we can't get
>involved in over seas skirmishes any more, an Isolationist America stance,
>now flipped completely. Quite telling was that they showed a war game
>taking place; it was the US and Nato against a new Middle Eastern Alliance,
>and the Alliance attacked us domestically and NATO and the US wrote it off
>as a loss from the war and focused on getting the the heart of the
>fictitious Middle Eastern Alliance. [The NRI they called it, "New Republic
>of Islam," but maybe I'm messing this up with some horrible dream I had.]
>
>
>>CNN is most hopped up on the front page on sniper details and our own
>>media chose not to display this disaster front and center and I for one am
>>outraged! How much more do we need to go through to support "red dragon"
>>at the box office?? I mean, a serial killer has apparently become the
>>national anti-hero displacing Osama while the "terrorism" goes on playing
>>in the background like a musical score.
>>
>
>Oh yeah but we love the violence don't we? Have some more hot dogs and eat
>a whole chicken while you watch some football and you'll feel better,
>America! God, we sell BUCKETS OF DEAD CHICKENS for people to EAT and we
>wonder why people have a violence fetish? Not to mention that the
>inevitable result most people have towards boredom is to break something or
>hurt themselves…
>
>Let me put in the obligatory "America is a great place to be", but we have
>huge gaping holes where our culture is supposed to be, particularly when it
>comes to being a fifteen year old kid in the suburbs. It's really
>interesting that our two biggest random-violence generators are tortured
>and bored adolescents and passionately hopeless religious fundamentalists;
>although I'm not sure how far a thriving indie rock scene in Palestine
>would be helping us these days. But hell, why not?
>
>-e.
>
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>
>
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>
>
>By the way, I hate this sig
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, joseph mcelroy

Quoting Max Herman <[email protected]>:

>
>
> I been thinkin' this one over–I mean not the post, but the "war"–and I'm
> still thinking Starship Troopers, General Howser, Johnny, Zim. The military
> genius is off the hook goin' hogwild glassing the planet and we artists are
> mobile infantry genii who have to mop up. Planet P. We have find a brain
> bug (our own brain of course) and figure it out.
>

I've been thinking, maybe I'll talk to these chaps and con[vince] them we are
friends.

> So take me with a shaker of salt–I'm arrested!

That's more liked stopped, as in stopped by a cop, not like put in jail, but
like forward motion (or any motion) now gone.

>
> Bon chance,
>
> Skip Herman
> afterburnin.co.uk
>
> ++
>
> ps–why are the posts so delayed and scrambled, here, showing up like a week
> late? It's irritating.
>
> ++
> >From: Eryk Salvaggio <[email protected]>
> >Reply-To: Eryk Salvaggio <[email protected]>
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: RHIZOME\_RAW: If You Are Bored, The Terrorists Win
> >Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 02:25:31 -0400
> >
> >
> >
> >[email protected] wrote:
> >
> >>I am SO SORRY for those that suffer so for the politics that are IGNORING
> >>the Al Quaeda nest that has been stirred up in favour of a war with Iraq
> >>only for THESE are apparently; these innocent elitist disco revellers our
> >>"frontline army" and THAT is NOT FAIR!!
> >>
> >
> >Right, you know John Walker Lindh told the FBI that most of the Terrorists
> >went to Yemen, and that he suspected that was where Bin Laden was. So the
> >dominos fall- first Iraq, then Yemen. Why Iraq is still anyones guess, if
> >the terrorists - uhm, "The Terrorists", sorry- are hq'd in Yemen and we
> >have evidence of their existence in Yemen and we know Yemen is big on the
> >terror, why are we not going after Yemen? [Of course I don't see why we'd
> >"go after" anyone war wise- but if Bush is itchy for another war you'd
> >think Yemen. I'd really rather be asking "why aren't we heavily policing
> >and investigating Yemen?" ] The war on afghanistan was deemed a failure by
> >some dudes at the CIA or something, anyone remember that link?
> >
> >
> >>These civilian casualities are far from the first or last victims of this
> >>ongoing worldwide war cry which may jeopardize more lives as time passes.
> >>
> >
> >World Wide? You mean American / British. WASP-Wide war cry. [Excepting the
> >tiny percentage of militant Islamists who insist on giving Bush something
> >to fight.]
> >
> >> That said, let's please think of those in Australia, England, Germany
> >>and the other countries (Sweden) and nationalities "Indonesian"
> >>experiencing a sad taste of what we in New York had an overabundant supply
> >>of just over a year ago today.
> >>
> >
> >I'm at a loss for why Australians are being targeted. What's next, Iceland?
> >What the hell does Australia have to do with anything? Scratch that
> >actually, I guess killing hundreds of Icelanders makes as much sense as
> >killing Americans or Sudanese or Kurds or Australians.
> >
> >
> >>Yes, it only just happened but how many government agencies must CLEAR the
> >>fact that the Al Quaeda are already being blamed by the BBC while CNN
> >>avoids a) personifying the dead
> >>b) personifying the living
> >>c) personifying at all!
> >>d) personifying the organization (responsible) and naming them or
> >>offering, least, educated guesses…
> >>
> >
> >I dunno, what's so great about conjecture in news reporting? What if this
> >isn't Al Qaieda and is some other terrorist organization? Why does it
> >matter really, I guess, I mean it reminds me of when some crazy guy
> >hijacked a Bus in georgia pretty soon after 9/11 and killed 7 people or so,
> >and the police were like "Oh it's not a big deal, this guy wasn't a
> >terrorist." Oh and what do you mean by personifying? Because that isn't so
> >great either really.
> >
> >
> >>Instead we have a CNN News Source that speaks in terms of building damages
> >>and the explosive devices used in the mission….in other words the THINGS
> >>AROUND the "human stories." God forbid we should stop worrying about our
> >>"domestic welfare" via the Sniper I suppose.
> >>
> >
> >Oh, I heard something ridiculous today; a poll that says Johnny and Jane
> >America are now more afraid of being killed by a sniper than they are by
> >terrorist attacks. I had to wonder if Bush would find some Iraqi link to
> >Snipers; declare war on snipers, that sort of thing. The sniper doesn't
> >worry me really. Six billion people on the planet and only one of them is
> >going around shooting people randomly? I like those odds, you know? How
> >many flowers bloom in a single season compared to how many humans are
> >running around randomly with a rifle? Like people are so weird with numbers
> >and perception; car crashes and cancer are the more likely cause of death
> >but everyone only worries about the dramatic stuff. If only we were half as
> >worried about heart disease than we are about terrorism. Is it just a
> >control issue? "I can always watch my diet and even if I never do and die
> >of a heart attack; at least it was me who killed myself, and not some guy
> >who wants to kill me for a country I didn't even know existed?" But we're
> >still not in control of dying from McNuggets, Ronald McDonald is. Maybe the
> >futility of terrorist deaths is what scares me so much about it. Violent,
> >futile and stupid deaths are what scare me, not "terrorism" per se. But why
> >is it preferable to die in a car crash? Why does political violence
> >fascinate us so much more than other kinds of deaths? Is there really such
> >thing as a "humdrum" way to die?
> >
> >>We NEED a more WORDLY and INTERNATIONAL face on an INTERNATIONAL problem
> >>which is why I am so troubled by US unilateralism (personally) when we
> >>HAVE a UN (really)!
> >>
> >
> >The US is acting in a scary manner, certainly. I saw some military big wigs
> >on frontline from 1999, talking about how America had a responsibility to
> >be the best military in the world because it functioned in a way that no
> >other country in the world does. It goes into small scale conflicts and
> >determines the winner; and this is designed to avoid full fledged wars like
> >we saw in WWI and WW2. The "problem" seems to be that the UN is getting
> >wary of this; doesn't want change but containment, and the US "wants change
> >now." Interesting thing on Frontline, it was about "The Future of War" and
> >focused on heavy machinery, had Dick Cheney talking about how we can't get
> >involved in over seas skirmishes any more, an Isolationist America stance,
> >now flipped completely. Quite telling was that they showed a war game
> >taking place; it was the US and Nato against a new Middle Eastern Alliance,
> >and the Alliance attacked us domestically and NATO and the US wrote it off
> >as a loss from the war and focused on getting the the heart of the
> >fictitious Middle Eastern Alliance. [The NRI they called it, "New Republic
> >of Islam," but maybe I'm messing this up with some horrible dream I had.]
> >
> >
> >>CNN is most hopped up on the front page on sniper details and our own
> >>media chose not to display this disaster front and center and I for one am
> >>outraged! How much more do we need to go through to support "red dragon"
> >>at the box office?? I mean, a serial killer has apparently become the
> >>national anti-hero displacing Osama while the "terrorism" goes on playing
> >>in the background like a musical score.
> >>
> >
> >Oh yeah but we love the violence don't we? Have some more hot dogs and eat
> >a whole chicken while you watch some football and you'll feel better,
> >America! God, we sell BUCKETS OF DEAD CHICKENS for people to EAT and we
> >wonder why people have a violence fetish? Not to mention that the
> >inevitable result most people have towards boredom is to break something or
> >hurt themselves…
> >
> >Let me put in the obligatory "America is a great place to be", but we have
> >huge gaping holes where our culture is supposed to be, particularly when it
> >comes to being a fifteen year old kid in the suburbs. It's really
> >interesting that our two biggest random-violence generators are tortured
> >and bored adolescents and passionately hopeless religious fundamentalists;
> >although I'm not sure how far a thriving indie rock scene in Palestine
> >would be helping us these days. But hell, why not?
> >
> >-e.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >By the way, I hate this sig
> >———–V
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