kandy karei drone say hello pretty

I don't know who Matmos is. Someone big and secret and with a big
permission slip named "tagent" hates me now at artforum and "hagheid" is
calling me a masturbator. They expunge any thread I post any g2k image url
to. The NY artworld is so great! So much value-added production.

I am also thinking Karei is very evil and very full of lies.

Karei can't be affected because he is 1. secret and 2. totally single-minded
(no ego, total education, zero tolerance).

Yet he says not to struggle against Empire (which he conflates with
America-bashing) because it's chimeric, it will be gone once we evolve. So
we are all being crucified on it, some will live, most won't. Same as
driving the peasants off the land into factories, native people into
reservations and death. It's progress, a fact of life, inevitable.
Gorgeously ineluctable. (Fascism won the 20th c.)

But Luke Skywalker did fight against Empire. Not by using the dark side of
the force, to be sure, but he had to fight fight fight. He also won, and
was not a martyr.

Same with Frodo. Frodo had to fight Sauron. He didn't sell his soul, like
Saruman, but he had to fight, and he won, though he was damaged by the
Ringwraith's blade and had to go to the Grey Havens.

I think Karei is like a Ringwraith and he did stab me. I'm not going to be
totally OK till my Prozac kicks back in.

I think Karei means that we should overlook the obvious lies and fascism of
the day, the extermination, the abandonment of peaceful ways, because humans
are now so polluted and degraded (except for KK's Jolly 100 Geniuses of the
.01 Percent Society who are good and awake enough to create beauty) that of
course most of us will have to be exterminated. I welcome it, death before
dishonor.

NN said, "do not dismiss me and avoid the fate of the Roman Empire." I
don't know where NN went. Karei seems to have studied her and at first I
was pretty sure he was her, or one of her teachers, or one of her writers.
I'm still not sure if NN is a real person or not. I think maybe Karei and
his teammates made her up and she didn't work, so they burned out.

I know one of the testers they use on insane people is whether they will
follow orders, or make a fuss. If you make a fuss you will never be let
out.

I hate Karei now. He's the evillest and perhaps the last bastion of
impossibility for G2K–that it is technologically and neurologically
impossible, hence insane and warlike murder.

Karei wants to kill me.

Everyone wants to kill me.

I think Karei is insane.

I wonder if it is a moral obligation not to allow people to lie, if one
catches them lying. It seems like now we are asked to agree with lies–the
more you lie, the more money you make.

Twhid hates me, but he said recently that "everyone has heard your trite
ideas Eryk and no one cares." That was before Eryk got in the NYTimes. Now
I wonder if Twhid would admit he said that, and take it back, and take his
administrative punishment. Or, will he just cruise along as usual–he wants
the A-list to like him I think, so he likes to be pit-bull and dis me and
Eryk and other uppity Z-listers so the Alist don't look paltry weak and
petty and shitty–and just stop repeating the lie? That would imply a
comprehensive absence of integrity on his part–if he still believes it, why
not still say it, and if he changed his mind, why, and if he never believed
it in the first place, why did he say it?

Everybody wants to save face. Bosma has to hate me, and so do Hovagimyan
and Brandenburg and god forbid the Syracusans Peppermint and Sherman, Rob
Murphy, everyone, because if they don't they lose the aura of integrity.

So, if I play along, I lose, and if I don't, I win, which is worse than
losing.

So perhaps this is what Karei means–if I just stay free, save myself, and
ignore the new media Empire, then whatever good I may be able to do may
remain possible. Possible but deferred of course.

Karei has also lied a great deal, his precision is horrendously shitty to
the point of amazement, and he is snide. I hate him, and Genius 2000 hates
him too–he's a deathmonger. He hates Jesus. He is one fucked-up total
asshole.

Karei, may I ask if you have experienced any recent severe trauma in your
life, such as a son or daughter dying, a close friend dying, or some other
traumatic thing that has extinguished your faith and hope?

Also, Twhid, would you please explain why you said "Eryk everyone has heard
your trite ideas and no one cares," why you believed it worth saying/typing
then, and whether you have changed your mind?

Also, Mriver, was Twhid speaking for both of you as you often say is the
case, that you two speak as one? Why is this case an exception, if it is?

Because as we can see, bad artists are like bad stocks, Enron, and it's
really all we have. Except for me. My art is astonishing, incredible,
which is why no one has to guts to express any opinion other than that I am
insane or a jerkoff buttfucking fuckface pimp.

Also, the Genius 2000 Network is a much better social sculpture than
rhizome.org, right Mark? Or are they equally as good, totally equal, or
does better and worse not apply to the matter; or, must a pretense of
equality be maintained because not to maintain it will breed ill will among
the Alisters whose work is not as good as mine but have teamed together to
brand me a pariah and insane premature ejaculater and sexual inept?

I find this whole deal very troubling and amusing perhaps too. I guess that
erasing me off the net would be fairly easy to do, certainly off the Rhizome
server, where at least one Dark Fiber book is already waiting to be compiled
should anyone care to.

Isn't Genius 2000 a better idea than Manovich's Dark Fiber idea? He strikes
me as a very behindhand kind of genius. Of course he cannot admit this, he
has kids to feed I assume. So does Tom Sherman, I bet he's a great dad,
really a wonder to behold, and a fantastic teacher to the SU MFA
fuckerbillies, keeping them ignorant of G2K and all, I admire it all, there
really is so much worth enslaving the world for here in Americaland–so much
freedom, and culture, and civilization, and powerful beauty. It's a great
plan for the future.

Right Twhid?

Plus, – well I have to divest myself before I say any more.

Max Herman
genius2000.net

++

I do like thingsthatgo, kinda wish I knew his real name and where his work's
at and all

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Learn to address me properly, and you'll get your answer 'yo'.

what is proper? what is proper to you? would you like it better if i addressed you as sir twitter as you seem to address others that way. nonsense and the leary book of nonsense is grand. do you not reply becuase you do not know about matmos? know about your local art scene? anyway so i am reinventing the bauhaus in kansas today i call it the pixelhaus the land is cheap and the farmers are nice except for high property tax i think we will be fine any nominations for the next Gropius and who wants to be the next kandinsky? ha ha ha
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On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:

> I am also thinking Karei is very evil and very full of lies.

No evil. No lies.

> Karei can't be affected because he is 1. secret

Ne. Not a matter of secrets.

> and 2. totally single-minded

No single-mindedness.

> (no ego,

+

> total education,

-
zero tolerance)

-. Precis + conscious functioning.
The universe has 'zero tolerance'.

> Yet he says not to struggle against Empire (which he conflates with
> America-bashing)

I do not. I use America as appropriate example/subset. It is also of
current importance moreso than other 'empires'. Ie, bashing America NOW
will bring lots of damage to most (as most cannot protect themselves).

> because it's chimeric, it will be gone once we evolve. So
> we are all being crucified on it, some will live, most won't.

No, you crucify yourselves on it. If you remove your ego (
+accompannying slave-debasement-crucifiction impulses)
you cannot be crucified–sans the exception of mobs going
crazy and actually physically murdering you, as they're
prone to do to 'disprove absolute power'. Ahem.


> Same as
> driving the peasants off the land into factories, native people into
> reservations and death. It's progress, a fact of life, inevitable.
> Gorgeously ineluctable. (Fascism won the 20th c.)

This hasn't got anything to do with what I am writing, Max Herman.
Avoid projecting your myopic lackof understanding of my words
into some fashionable 'literary' crap about fascism.

> But Luke Skywalker did fight against Empire. Not by using the dark side of
> the force, to be sure, but he had to fight fight fight. He also won, and
> was not a martyr.

Luke Skywalker is a rip-off anda n exploitative figure.
It's a reference to a Native American deity from the Mayan Codexes.
And mr Industrial Light & magic is ass-raping the native american
indians again. Tell me about fascism?

> I think Karei is like a Ringwraith and he did stab me. I'm not going to be
> totally OK till my Prozac kicks back in.

Hah! You did it yourself. Don't try to touch things that are not yours.


> I think Karei means that we should overlook the obvious lies and fascism of
> the day, the extermination, the abandonment of peaceful ways, because humans
> are now so polluted and degraded (except for KK's Jolly 100 Geniuses of the
> .01 Percent Society who are good and awake enough to create beauty) that of
> course most of us will have to be exterminated. I welcome it, death before
> dishonor.

That is absolutely NOT what I said. Rather the opposite: the
hyper-propaganda that you speak of keeps the humans degraded.
Like glued to a TV instead of evolving. Turn the TV off and evolve.
That is your way out of degeneration. And I would never
care to 'exterminate' anything–nor advocate such imbecility.
However if you (humans) don't evolve they WILL exterminate
themselves BY THEMSELVES. Self-destruction.

> Karei seems to have studied her and at first I
> was pretty sure he was her, or one of her teachers, or one of her writers.

I fell inside NN and saw what it was. Through her earlier posts.
The 'NN' has been predicted many years ago–and there will be many more
NN if human course is not altered.


> I'm still not sure if NN is a real person or not. I think maybe Karei and
> his teammates made her up and she didn't work, so they burned out.

Totally. Secret KGB problema.

> I know one of the testers they use on insane people is whether they will
> follow orders, or make a fuss. If you make a fuss you will never be let
> out.

This is false.

> I hate Karei now. He's the evillest and perhaps the last bastion of
> impossibility for G2K–that it is technologically and neurologically
> impossible, hence insane and warlike murder.

G2k is, Oui.

> Karei wants to kill me.

<laughing> arr. Gotta pay the check.


> Everyone wants to kill me.
>
> I think Karei is insane.

Ne.

> I wonder if it is a moral obligation not to allow people to lie, if one
> catches them lying. It seems like now we are asked to agree with lies–the
> more you lie, the more money you make.

There are no lies.

> So perhaps this is what Karei means–if I just stay free, save myself, and
> ignore the new media Empire, then whatever good I may be able to do may
> remain possible. Possible but deferred of course.

Nein.

> Karei has also lied a great deal, his precision is horrendously shitty to
> the point of amazement, and he is snide. I hate him, and Genius 2000 hates
> him too–he's a deathmonger. He hates Jesus. He is one fucked-up total
> asshole.

Nein.

> Karei, may I ask if you have experienced any recent severe trauma in your
> life, such as a son or daughter dying, a close friend dying, or some other
> traumatic thing that has extinguished your faith and hope?

Nein. My faith and hope are just fine–and unlike yours, precis+real.
The pathetic posing known as 'faith' + 'hope' to most is an
ego-function. But then again–that's what the ego is–chewtoy
for babies.

> Because as we can see, bad artists are like bad stocks, Enron, and it's
> really all we have. Except for me. My art is astonishing, incredible,
> which is why no one has to guts to express any opinion other than that I am
> insane or a jerkoff buttfucking fuckface pimp.

Your art is crap Max. Destructive + masochistic tripe.

cutting off all speech, all thought, there is nowwhere you cannot go.
no next ever!!

> what is proper?

Proper is proper.
IS WHAT IS OR WHAT IS NOT?
> what is proper to you?

It's not relative to me (or you). NOTHING IS RELATIVE TO NEW BORNS ARE WE NEW BORN?

> would you like it better if i addressed you as sir
> twitter as you seem to address others that way.

I don't address others in that way. The addressing is non-verbal. SHOULD YOU DESIRE IMMEDEIATE CORRESPONDENCE WITH THIS REALITY ALL THAT CAN BE SAID IS NO DUALITY!

> nonsense and the leary book of nonsense is grand.

Leary is nonsense. I already wrote that, but I think to eu-gene WHAT IS NOT WHAT IS NOT IS.

> do you not reply becuase you do not know about matmos?

No. You will get an answer when you address me properly.

> know about your local art scene?

I run the local art scene in 4 countries.

> anyway so i am reinventing the bauhaus in kansas today i call it the pixelhaus the land is cheap and the farmers are nice except for high property tax
> i think we will be fine any nominations for the next Gropius and who
> wants to be the next kandinsky? ha ha ha


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On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, natalie myers wrote:

> cutting off all speech,

Speech is primitive as used by most 'humans'.

> all thought,

Thought is an automatic mechanism.
It does not lead anywhere.

Well there it is, it's spelt out clear. No need for further discussion,
unless you wish to just keep harping on it, or shadow me and say "it's crap"
all the time.

You're crap, Nazi Switzerland dildo-man. You reek. I'm neither masochistic
nor destructive. What the hell is wrong with you.

Say again about only 100 geniuses. You're a backpedaling liar, say again
about welding machine and man.

Let's reiterate how you said you never used the phrase but then you had to
admit you did, and then bushied out by saying I can't take a joke.

Karei said "I never used the phrase 'welding machine and man'" and then he
said "I wrote it, didn't say it, and you can't take a joke, and I thought
you meant this other post to Thingist in which I didn't say it."

It's just astonishing how you let yourself off the hook like that.

But yeah in Switzerland I bet they just love you. You are trash of the
worst water.

So yes, say it again, my art is crap, unless you don't really mean it, or I
can't see your intent and humor. You're terrible. Plus you try to
discredit crappy art so that other people don't get damaged by it, because
they can't protect themselves. That is an awesome lifeforce you got.

Plus you insult me. For that I must say, anyone who listens to your shit is
totally blundering. Obviously you will never say who it is that listens to
you, because you don't want to embarass them. It's the greatest.

Can you name any real person who will say anything you do is even halfway
decent? Or are they all secret dipshits like yourself?

You're a repulsive cyber-maggot. Plus, a chump. Worthless and retarded.
Way full of holes, but fondue so you don't know it.




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On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, natalie myers wrote:

> what is proper?

Proper is proper.

> what is proper to you?

It's not relative to me (or you).

> would you like it better if i addressed you as sir
> twitter as you seem to address others that way.

I don't address others in that way. The addressing is non-verbal.

> nonsense and the leary book of nonsense is grand.

Leary is nonsense. I already wrote that, but I think to eu-gene.

> do you not reply becuase you do not know about matmos?

No. You will get an answer when you address me properly.

> know about your local art scene?

I run the local art scene in 4 countries.

> anyway so i am reinventing the bauhaus in kansas today i call it the pixelhaus the land is cheap and the farmers are nice except for high property tax
> i think we will be fine any nominations for the next Gropius and who
> wants to be the next kandinsky? ha ha ha


The 'next'? I don't know. There is no next.

On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:

> You're crap, Nazi Switzerland dildo-man.

No, Max. I am neither crap, nor Nazi nor a 'dildo-man.'
You're an immature, sexually inept, animal.

> You reek.

Not at all. But you do.

> I'm neither masochistic nor destructive.

You are.

> What the hell is wrong with you.

Nothing.

> Say again about only 100 geniuses.

No, I didn't say anything about GENIUSES.
I said things about awake non-animal humans'.
And I'm being generous with the 100.

> You're a backpedaling liar,

Not at all.

> say again about welding machine and man.

I never said or wrote that Max. Give it up.
Flat-brained monkey who is attempting to enforce
malicious intent on my words. Go peddle that surface is all idiocy
elsewhere.


> Let's reiterate how you said you never used the phrase

I never did. I didn't use the phrase you said I did, neither did I say
it.

> but then you had to admit you did,

You are delusional. I've admitted nothing of the sort.

> and then bushied out by saying I can't take a joke.

That is NOT what I said. You're attempting to take the surface of the
words, implant whatever malicious intent you please to them, and ascribe
them to me with murderous intentions. I admit to no such idiocy.
Go play spanish Inquisition elsewhere, illiterate ape.

> It's just astonishing how you let yourself off the hook like that.

There is no hook baby. The only 'hook' is idiotic murderous intentions
in your brain.

> But yeah in Switzerland I bet they just love you. You are trash of the
> worst water.

Hardly nax. The 'worst trash' here is you.
The kind that fully intentionally cripples others + thinks that is just
fine.

Anyone who stands on the path of your G2K ego-aggrandizement campaign
you attempt to murder, by standard journalist tricks, character
assassination, and malicioous and fraudulent slander. Imbecile.

> So yes, say it again, my art is crap, unless you don't really mean it, or I
> can't see your intent and humor.

Your 'art' is not even art dear. what you DO is crap. No humor.

> You're terrible.

Not at all.

> Plus you try to discredit crappy art so that other people don't get damaged by it, because
> they can't protect themselves.

I am not 'discrediting' it. i am showing it for what it is.
Obviating, if you will. CRAP: and crap you will murder for.


> That is an awesome lifeforce you got.

You haven't had the honor to be near my lifeforce, twit.

> Plus you insult me.


I insult no-one. You choose to feel insulted because what I say doesn't
fit with your nice guy savior of the world intelligent hero–none
of which you are.

> For that I must say, anyone who listens to your shit is totally blundering.

No baby. That applies to you. Plus, I don't require from anyone to
'listen to'. Aw–look the dictatorial monkey feels threatened.
Tell usa gain about how power is about how many idiots
'like you' or 'listen' to you.

No dear–I make things obvious who those who have even the slightest
ability to discern. I've no intention of telling anything toanyone–
nor do I operate from your own modus operandi.

I think you should throw a fit like AskRom that people
aren't 'listening to you'–ie following your orders.
Idiotic flippant sexually inept two year old who is starved for
attention–this is what you and your art are.

> Obviously you will never say who it is that listens to
> you, because you don't want to embarass them. It's the greatest.

No, it won't. And I ain't a preacher.
that's a noce murderous jab though: feel guilty, feel mortified if you
read what D42 says. Don't you trust people to discern by themselves?
No. You want them to be dogs on your leashes.

now dear-THIs is fascism.


> Can you name any real person who will say anything you do is even halfway
> decent?

Yes I can. But I won't. You're attempting to enter a
my sheep vs your sheep dick-measuring contest.

Value is not measured by OTHERS.

There's a perfect description for the likes of you + Eryk
'the cult of me'.

> Or are they all secret dipshits like yourself?

I am not a dipshit, unlike you.

> You're a repulsive cyber-maggot.

You're talking to yourself.

> Plus, a chump. Worthless and retarded.

No Max, that is you. Absolutely worthless,
and completely retarded + a murderous ape.

> Way full of holes, but fondue so you don't know it.

Sorry babe. No holes whatsoever.
Unlike you–and yours are all full of the 'assholes' of your 'sheep'
sucking the life out of ya.

Loser.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42