Re: For Kj (fear of death)

Sept. 12, 2002

Type: discussion

Sorry folks, but I just figured this loser's problem out… he said…

"And 'corrective centering' requires that people familiarize themselves and
have daily awareness of death–not its mockery."

Someone obsessed with death is fiercely afraid of it, and fear causes the
malfunction we see evident in his personality.

Hey grandson, you should have a daily awareness of life, and not fear death so
much.

Oh, and BTW, every man and woman with a strong opinion and personality is not a
dictator trying to trap you. So stop being afraid.

–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]

Comments

2002-09-13 01:00, Max Herman

I found the Burroughs thing about immortality to be problematic. I've been
wanting to look into Teilhard also. I'm just tired like Mancini. Sad
little weak genius me.

Karei also said we need to "weld machine and man", then lied about having
said it, which is a serious problem and can be used. However it is not
conclusive.

I like DH Lawrence's poem "Ship of Death" very much and have regarded it
highly for years. It helped direct me to some dyings-away of self that I
was trapped in around 1989 or so. Yet it was not the be-all and end-all. I
had to reject the poem's influence quite severely in several crucial turning
points. Stay alive, or die? It is a serious question.

If death is the real necessity, then what is Burroughs saying about
immortality and space travel? I am skeptical of Burroughs. He loved heroin
after all. Eryk is better than Burroughs, much better, a world better.

A fascination with death, a love of death, is a sin–it's blasphemy, and one
of the weaknesses my prof John Olmsted at Oberlin pointed up in Shelley's
Adonais, the love-death or liebestod of Wagner. Nothing new there.

"And let the unprofitable servant be cast into outer darkness; there shall
be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

I appreciated Joao's (?) comments on the malin genius of the image, and
affirmation, many other ideas, and glad to hear a new person. I hope maybe
he can go to Nikola's supper? I also liked seeing Joao and Douglas speaking
about anti-Maxism, because it was HONEST and real not agenda prescript. It
is real, I like it. Yes G2K is not me wanting to pimp out the ho's.
Nothing is more sickening and vile than what Shakespeare called "whoremaster
man." And the easiest way to cure a body is to kill it, so let no inquiry
end your doubts–doubt is not fear.

Trust is working without guarantees, and thus contains the seed of evil,
betrayal, whoring, and pimping. You cannot ask someone to trust you without
saying "please take the risk that I will whore you out, for sake of the
error-term possibility of the better outcome."

Much or most of what Karei says and does goes against the true G2K. Perhaps
he admires or approves of Max's almost immeasurable gifts of individual
genius–yet I reject my own perfection, and Karei damns me for it.

Hence the myth of Max, the icon, the malignity.

Love,

Max

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>From: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
><[email protected]>
>To: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>CC: Max Herman <[email protected]>,
>[email protected],[email protected]
>Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: For Kj (fear of death)
>Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:55:50 -0400
>
>
>Sorry folks, but I just figured this loser's problem out… he said…
>
>"And 'corrective centering' requires that people familiarize themselves and
>have daily awareness of death–not its mockery."
>
>Someone obsessed with death is fiercely afraid of it, and fear causes the
>malfunction we see evident in his personality.
>
>Hey grandson, you should have a daily awareness of life, and not fear death
>so
>much.
>
>Oh, and BTW, every man and woman with a strong opinion and personality is
>not a
>dictator trying to trap you. So stop being afraid.
>
>–
>Joseph Franklyn McElroy
>Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]

2002-09-13 01:00, D42 Kandinskij

On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance]
Art[ist] wrote:

> Sorry folks, but I just figured this loser's problem out… he said…

Um–sorry. I have no 'problem, nor am I a loser.
Additionally–you're not qualified to figure people's
'problems' out. The only one psychopathic here is you–
as you're 'out on a hunt' because your image was damaged.

Murderous egotist swine.

> Someone obsessed with death is fiercely afraid of it,

Did you read that in some crackpot psychology book, or is that
a result of 'creative mythologizing'? Allow me to qualify
YOUR problem dear–you're paranoid, idiotic, and a conman.
Your cteative psychologizing is little but running away
from your real state and fantasizing up a nice iconic image
for yourself–as soon as that is stepped on, you lash out.

Typical. Typical. Ego-centered murderous behavior.

As for your attitude toowards death–this is little but
the attitude of a late 20c / 21c middle-class mediocre
male. ALL societies outside of that 'exclusive' circle
require awareness and consideration of death on an extensive
and daily basis. That means, Native Americans, Tibetans,
Indians, Chinese, Africans, etc–are they ALL psychopathic?

You're clearly an idiot.

The opposite of what you say is actually valid–someone refusing
awareness of one's mortality is someone fiercely afraid of it.

Human beings are born to die–and like most Zen masters
would tell you–life is a dream and a preparation for death.
Tell me how they are all psychopathic?

Also–someone attempting to present as psychopaths people
familiar with their deaths–is someone fiercely afraid of it.

You may scream and froth as mucha s you please, but I am not
'fiercely afraid' of anything–least of all my death.
Unlike most humans, I lack the quality 'fear' altogether.

To make matters even worse, you claim shamanic tendencies.
Here's a quote for you from one of the major_ people responsible
for introduction of shamanic practices to the general population
of middle class America:

'The simplest thing I do…may very well mean my death. Death is
stalking me. Therefore I have no room for doubts or remorse…In a
world where death is the hunter.. there is not time for regrets or
doubts. There is only time for decisions.

An immense amount of pettiness is dropped if your death makes a
gesture to you, or if you catch a glimpse of it, or if you
just have the feeling that your companion is there watching you.

Death is the only wise adviser we have. Whenever you feel that
everything is going wrong and you are about to be annihilated,
turn to your death and ask if that is so. Your death will tell
you that you're wrong, that nothing really matters outside its
touch. Your death will tell you "I haven't touched you yet". '

Here is a beautiful description of what you're CLAIMING to do:
acting in controlled folly, or performing on whim, and the
mechanism that underlies it:

'Focus your attention on the link between you and your death,
without remorse, or sadness, or worrying. Focus your attention
on the fact that you don't have time and let your acts flow
accordingly.'

> and fear causes the malfunction we see evident in his personality.

First, I don't have any fear. And inthat light, your insistence
that I have it is criminal. But thena gain–so is most of your behavior.
Secondly, fear doesn't cause any malfunctions. It is part of
the particular set of forces that MAINTAIN the personality.
Lastly, I have no personality.

You're mouthing off crap about things you have no idea about,
nor are you qualified to mouth off about.

Go pose as authority elsewhere.

> Hey grandson,

I am not your 'grandson'–and I am older than you.

> you should have a daily awareness of life,

Avoid dictating me your ego-crippled perception of things
and forcing it on me. araeness is awareness, and there is no
awareness without constanta wareness of your mortality.
Awareness is not 'fear'–you're projecting your own fear of
death as some sort of psychopathic behavior on my part–and
attempting to 'steer' people yor way.

Because that's th only way SHEEP feel 'safe'–and this is
what you want. Safety.

Pathetic coward.

> and not fear death so much.

I don't fear death, baby. I've already died. Twice.
I know what death is, unlike you. And only knowledge of death
can remove fear from it.

> Oh, and BTW, every man and woman with a strong opinion and personality is not a
> dictator trying to trap you.

Chuckle. Twit. Personality is an ego mask.
There is no such thing as 'strong opinion'.
Opinions are worthless. One either perceives Reality or doesn't.
Most don't–and you don't.

Certainly. 99.99% of human beings are small-time dictators.
It's simply a function of the ego. I never said or implied anything
about 'trying to trap me'–don't attempt to misportray autonomous
behavior as fear. And yes 99.99% of humans run around and hunt /
victimize each other. wake up.

> So stop being afraid.

I am not nor have I ever been afraid. Idiot.

Quit projecting your fear of death on me.
I've seen your 'fearless' cackling mask.

And if you think people dealing with 'death' are afraid
of it–go look at some art. Tell me how much of it is about death.

And while you're at it, rent Bergman's The Seventh Seal.

Your mediocre 'patriarchal' posing is not interesting.
Nor valid. Nor justified. And you're not a figure of
authority because you are 'of age' 'male' and 'white'.
Take your penis-rape driven mentality elsewhere.

Oh yeah. And empathize with the mother of your child
better–because giving birth always faces off the female
with death.

Later loser.

2002-09-13 01:00, joseph mcelroy

Cheers and applause.

–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]

2002-09-13 01:00, Max Herman

I have lowered my level of consideration of Karei to nil, as regards the
original and continuing operations of the Genius 2000 Network.

Therefore I urge you all to send me your url's for inclusion in the
Conference this year.

See topics etc. at www.geocities.com/genius-2000/Conf2002.html

Plus I will reiterate the effective and wise use of G2K to avert WW3 (the
evil version) and postpone a US invasion of Iraq until after the 2004
elections.

I base this in part on the Sept. 16 2002 issue of the New Yorker, which is
nice and good to read.

Yours,

Max Herman
genius2000.net

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>From: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
><[email protected]>
>To: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>CC: Max Herman <[email protected]>,
>[email protected],[email protected]
>Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: For Kj (fear of death)
>Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:55:50 -0400
>
>
>Sorry folks, but I just figured this loser's problem out… he said…
>
>"And 'corrective centering' requires that people familiarize themselves and
>have daily awareness of death–not its mockery."
>
>Someone obsessed with death is fiercely afraid of it, and fear causes the
>malfunction we see evident in his personality.
>
>Hey grandson, you should have a daily awareness of life, and not fear death
>so
>much.
>
>Oh, and BTW, every man and woman with a strong opinion and personality is
>not a
>dictator trying to trap you. So stop being afraid.
>
>–
>Joseph Franklyn McElroy
>Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]

2002-09-13 01:00, D42 Kandinskij

On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:

> Plus I will reiterate the effective and wise use of G2K to avert WW3 (the
> evil version) and postpone a US invasion of Iraq until after the 2004
> elections.

Right. Continue with the posing–and pretending there is 'evil'.
Or that you can affect WW3–happening by continuation of the human
behavior that causes it–ignorance.

All humans are born to die–and the more you refuse awareness of
your life with regards to death, the more death will be made
obvious to you in ways you'll like even less than you 'like' me.

And–wrongly–but still so–the more various non-white countries
will hate the US. Personally, I prefer awareness to bombing,
and ripping people off behind their backs because they're
asleep–but that's never been a popular choice–as evidenced.

Lastly max–I don't care to affect G2K. I thought that
was made clear. I was speaking to Max Person, not Max
ego-exaggerated G2K.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

2002-09-13 01:00, D42 Kandinskij

On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:

> I found the Burroughs thing about immortality to be problematic.

That would be no doubt because you can 'judge' him.
Tell us again how G2K is 'better' than Burroughs.

> Karei also said we need to "weld machine and man", then lied about having
> said it,

No, I didn't. First, that is not the exact phrase I used,
second I didn't say it, third, you're attempting to pervert
what I wrote out of context. Moron.

It's too bad you refuse to ignore that, and also the understanding
that humanity has been 'welded' to its technology since it began
producing it. But I suppose flat + humorless reading is part of G2K.

> Stay alive, or die? It is a serious question.

Die.

> If death is the real necessity, then what is Burroughs saying about
> immortality and space travel?

Because Burroughs knows what Death is. Those who die consciously
before their physical death are those who achieve 'freedom'–
or 'immortality'.

> I am skeptical of Burroughs.

That doesn't mean anything.

> He loved heroin after all.

And most of his ideas are not his but borrowed from valid sources.

> Eryk is better than Burroughs, much better, a world better.

No, he isn't.

> A fascination with death, a love of death, is a sin–

Awareness of death is not 'fascination with death'.

> of the weaknesses my prof John Olmsted at Oberlin pointed up in Shelley's
> Adonais, the love-death or liebestod of Wagner. Nothing new there.

Right. Professors. Did they 'teach' you about hybris also?
The 'sin' is being mesmerized by–or abandoning yourself to your death.
This is NOT what I am talking about. Avoid improper qualifications,
thanks.

> Trust is working without guarantees, and thus contains the seed of evil,
> betrayal, whoring, and pimping.

No, it doesn't. There is no 'evil' outside of you.

> You cannot ask someone to trust you without
> saying "please take the risk that I will whore you out, for sake of the
> error-term possibility of the better outcome."

This is not trust: this is blind belief.

> Much or most of what Karei says and does goes against the true G2K. Perhaps
> he admires or approves of Max's almost immeasurable gifts of individual
> genius–

I don't–as those don't exist.

> yet I reject my own perfection, and Karei damns me for it.

Ha! There has been no damnation, outcast martyr-hero you.

> Hence the myth of Max, the icon, the malignity.

Hence the ego-icon.

Zoom-zoom.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

2002-09-13 01:00, D42 Kandinskij

On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist] wrote:

> Cheers and applause.

And Ego-flatulation. Max is so great. He's going to 'save' the
world. He's greater than Beuys or Burroughs–don't say,
this s ironic or creative mythologizing.

Not at all undue self-aggrandizement.

Maybe I should ship you both off to far-fetched areas of China
sans cash and sans leader, and see how well you get along with the
fairly unaffected by communism old fashioned normal folks.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

2002-09-13 01:00, joseph mcelroy

Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>:

>
> Maybe I should ship you both off to far-fetched areas of China
> sans cash and sans leader, and see how well you get along with the
> fairly unaffected by communism old fashioned normal folks.

You got the tickets? I need 2.

–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]

2002-09-13 01:00, joseph mcelroy

Whole lot of justifying going on. "I am not afraid" he says as he stamps his
little foot. Notice how he accepts the mantle of "most Zen masters would tell
you." He is an interesting study and source of much amusement.

–
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]