RHIZOME_RAW: Myth and sense of community.

—– Original Message —–
From: "Joao Pedro" <[email protected]>
To: "Doug Lewis" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Cc: "Oliveira Pereira" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:13 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Myth and sense of community.


> Since the beginning of times, the myth had bring together the men and
> give to them a sense of community. But a myth is a fable, a living
> narration, like wrote Levi-Strauss, a story in transformation, that change
> with the imagination, with the self-invention of the community elements.
> It's not to idolize, a petrification of a image. In the network of power,
> the art must pervert the grid values, not to submit to a expectant place,
> waiting comfortably, with redudant order-words. The art must attempt, with
> fascination, simulation, fatal strategys, viral contamination, against the
> objectivity of the mass media. Not to convert in another icon of our
times,
> with a especific status. Jean Baudrillard wrote something about that in
> "Au-dela du vrai et du faux ou le malin genie de l'image".
>
> Best regards:
>
> Joao Pedro
>
> P.S. I have nothing against Max or someonelse. Simply, there are
> attitudes that i don't like. Perhaps it's a default of mine.
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "Doug Lewis" <[email protected]>
> To: "'Joao Pedro'" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 5:22 PM
> Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't believe
> in genius
>
>
> Thanks for the concentrated thoughts Joao…sounds like an anti-"Max"ism.
> My thoughts are that an artist and the need for artists has always been to
> fertilize contradictions - by simply adding variations of an intuitive
> understanding of the real (as slippery as that may be), a cognitive belief
> in myth making as well as one part spontaneity. Edward F. Edinger wrote
> that human society cannot long survive unless its members are
> psychologically contained within a central living myth.; and so i see the
> Rhizome as one of the many soft machines that perpetuates myth. Without
> much reflection, I comfortably say that belief in contradiction - inside
> of my work and inside everyday stumblings, such textures created with the
> elbows of bigger things leave me wanting to speak towards an other -
things
> that i feel have been left unsaid (even if only through my sheer naivity).
>
> best, d
>
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Joao Pedro [SMTP:[email protected]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:20 AM
> To: Doug Lewis
> Cc: Oliveira Pereira
> Subject: Fw: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't believe
> in genius
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: Joao Pedro
> To: Doug Lewis ; [email protected]
> Cc: Oliveira Pereira
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:42 PM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't believe
> in genius
>
>
> Doug Lewis:
>
> It's not easy to answer to your question, but i will try.
> Nietzsche in XIX century, made the transition between: a philosophy
> established in two fundamental truths that built the ocidental thought,
> since Plato (the principle of identity and the principle of
contradiction),
> and a emergent philosophy that give emphasis to live, a vital existence,
> beyound good and evil. The classic notion of contradiction, defended that
> two values, denying each other, only one could be truth, don't serve
> Nietzsche. If one of the judges is truth, the other is fake, said the
logic
> of the syllogisms, based in the dialectic, like the dialectic used for
> Plato in their dialogues, to defeat the adversary. On the other hand, for
> Nietzsche doesn't matter if a proposition is truth or fake… If the value
> would be useful in a vital way, then is rightful to make use of it, even
> that value being fake. But Nietzsche don't stop there and said: the
> philosopher must invent new values, new meanings. It beahoves us to do the
> meaning of one thing, in the "praxis", in a vital and affirmative way.
> Dionysus is the affirmation god. The logical thought is no more a
labyrinth
> of moral (based in one truth), but the labyrinth of live. And in live they
> are tensions, between potentials (as opposed to a identity) and a tension
> of this kind is called "value". Not an economic or moral sense, but in a
> sense of self-invention, pure affirmation, a play that only have the
> purpose of joy, to relieve the tension. But there are a danger, if you
> actualize this potential, over and over, in the same way. If it grows like
> a image that never change, like a religious icon, a attractor to all
> potentiality, then you have a force of power, a fascist one. Because that
> force attempt to impose themself like a identity, necessary to all, but
> they can't resolve all the contraditions, this power see enemys
everywhere,
> in a permenent paranoia state. A fascist state is a suicide state.
Paranoia
> will killing them.
> I don't think that's necessary to resolve the contradiction, between
> truth or fake, right or wrong, good or evil, them or us, ally or enemy.
> Like Nietzsche, the artist is beyound that duality of concepts. There are
> many levels of desire, think, knowing… Reduce the complications of
> desire, into one vision of things, in a "genial" perspective of the world,
> into the same "sublime" reality, without alternative, that's the INJUSTICE
> they can do to us! Gore Vidal wrote in "Empire": "The condition of the
> hell, is not imagine that we have a alternative for our lives."
> The ability to contradict sometimes is hiden a will of power and that
> will, have two faces: affirmation and denial. And the affirmation of the
> sublime man is a negative force. Because he don't accept another
> affirmation, the "yes" that can answer to own "yes". Dionysus need to be
> loved. The sublime man is too much perfect and he needs nobody. He judge
> the others by oneself and because of that, think he had solve all the
> contradiction. He solved nothing! Her affirmation deny the affirmation of
> the others. But, you ask me: "We could answer always with a yes?" Of
course
> we can't! We are not the "yes men"! That's why is important deny a
reactive
> force, which impose the INJUSTICE for all, the force that always say: "You
> are wrong! We live in the better of the worlds and there's no
alternative!"
> Now, imagine that reactive power, reverse her position, turn upside down
> and don't say "no" anymore, but "yes" to the differents alternatives:
Then,
> it would be no more a fascist state, but a schizophrenic state!
> The ability to contradict is important to fight against this kind of
> injustice! If you deny a negative force, to resist and face it, you will
> make a affirmation, a statement that can change the conditions of a
> particular context and, in that case, speak gives a new meaning to
reality,
> a tool to dig deeper the indicium of the unsaid, what was behind the
> oficial version. But, more important to speak, is to act! And for that you
> also need ability, strategys: Dionysus must be quick and very swift too!
> How ever, in a open comunnity like rhizome, i think the essencial is
> support, try understand, to relieve and help the nextone. Have a different
> opinion it doesn't mean to have a ego of the size of the world!
> Contradiction between all opinions, gives to us a multiplicity of points
of
> view, and remember, the fascist state hate that! That's why i don't
> comprehend the dogmatism, even less, the insult in a place like this and i
> agree with Lee Wells: "Stop the heat, spread love!" We're in the same
boat.
> Let's stay together, because together we will undefeatble!
>
>
> Best regards:
>
> Joao Pedro
> [email protected]
> http://oliveirapereira1.no.sapo.pt
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "Doug Lewis" <[email protected]>
> To: "'Joao Pedro'" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 7:43 PM
> Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't believe
> in genius
>
>
> > written with a sublime message left fully intact… Nietzsche spoke
about
> > "The ability to Contradict" as a tool for speaking about one's own
> > injustices of which they are yet unaware; is it possible?
> >
> > saltman
> >
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: Joao_Pedro [SMTP:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:39 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Cc: Oliveira Pereira
> > Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't believe
in
> > genius
> >
> > << File: ATT00000.txt; charset = Windows-1252 >> << File:
ATT00001.htm;
> > charset = Windows-1252 >>
> >
> << File: ATT00004.htm >>
>
>

—– Original Message —–
From: "Joao Pedro" <[email protected]>
To: "Doug Lewis" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Cc: "Oliveira Pereira" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:13 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Myth and sense of community.


> Since the beginning of times, the myth had bring together the men and
> give to them a sense of community. But a myth is a fable, a living
> narration, like wrote Levi-Strauss, a story in transformation, that change
> with the imagination, with the self-invention of the community elements.
> It's not to idolize, a petrification of a image. In the network of power,
> the art must pervert the grid values, not to submit to a expectant place,
> waiting comfortably, with redudant order-words. The art must attempt, with
> fascination, simulation, fatal strategys, viral contamination, against the
> objectivity of the mass media. Not to convert in another icon of our
times,
> with a especific status. Jean Baudrillard wrote something about that in
> "Au-dela du vrai et du faux ou le malin genie de l'image".
>
> Best regards:
>
> Joao Pedro
>
> P.S. I have nothing against Max or someonelse. Simply, there are
> attitudes that i don't like. Perhaps it's a default of mine.
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "Doug Lewis" <[email protected]>
> To: "'Joao Pedro'" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 5:22 PM
> Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't believe
> in genius
>
>
> Thanks for the concentrated thoughts Joao…sounds like an anti-"Max"ism.
> My thoughts are that an artist and the need for artists has always been to
> fertilize contradictions - by simply adding variations of an intuitive
> understanding of the real (as slippery as that may be), a cognitive belief
> in myth making as well as one part spontaneity. Edward F. Edinger wrote
> that human society cannot long survive unless its members are
> psychologically contained within a central living myth.; and so i see the
> Rhizome as one of the many soft machines that perpetuates myth. Without
> much reflection, I comfortably say that belief in contradiction - inside
> of my work and inside everyday stumblings, such textures created with the
> elbows of bigger things leave me wanting to speak towards an other -
things
> that i feel have been left unsaid (even if only through my sheer naivity).
>
> best, d
>
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Joao Pedro [SMTP:[email protected]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:20 AM
> To: Doug Lewis
> Cc: Oliveira Pereira
> Subject: Fw: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't believe
> in genius
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: Joao Pedro
> To: Doug Lewis ; [email protected]
> Cc: Oliveira Pereira
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:42 PM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't believe
> in genius
>
>
> Doug Lewis:
>
> It's not easy to answer to your question, but i will try.
> Nietzsche in XIX century, made the transition between: a philosophy
> established in two fundamental truths that built the ocidental thought,
> since Plato (the principle of identity and the principle of
contradiction),
> and a emergent philosophy that give emphasis to live, a vital existence,
> beyound good and evil. The classic notion of contradiction, defended that
> two values, denying each other, only one could be truth, don't serve
> Nietzsche. If one of the judges is truth, the other is fake, said the
logic
> of the syllogisms, based in the dialectic, like the dialectic used for
> Plato in their dialogues, to defeat the adversary. On the other hand, for
> Nietzsche doesn't matter if a proposition is truth or fake… If the value
> would be useful in a vital way, then is rightful to make use of it, even
> that value being fake. But Nietzsche don't stop there and said: the
> philosopher must invent new values, new meanings. It beahoves us to do the
> meaning of one thing, in the "praxis", in a vital and affirmative way.
> Dionysus is the affirmation god. The logical thought is no more a
labyrinth
> of moral (based in one truth), but the labyrinth of live. And in live they
> are tensions, between potentials (as opposed to a identity) and a tension
> of this kind is called "value". Not an economic or moral sense, but in a
> sense of self-invention, pure affirmation, a play that only have the
> purpose of joy, to relieve the tension. But there are a danger, if you
> actualize this potential, over and over, in the same way. If it grows like
> a image that never change, like a religious icon, a attractor to all
> potentiality, then you have a force of power, a fascist one. Because that
> force attempt to impose themself like a identity, necessary to all, but
> they can't resolve all the contraditions, this power see enemys
everywhere,
> in a permenent paranoia state. A fascist state is a suicide state.
Paranoia
> will killing them.
> I don't think that's necessary to resolve the contradiction, between
> truth or fake, right or wrong, good or evil, them or us, ally or enemy.
> Like Nietzsche, the artist is beyound that duality of concepts. There are
> many levels of desire, think, knowing… Reduce the complications of
> desire, into one vision of things, in a "genial" perspective of the world,
> into the same "sublime" reality, without alternative, that's the INJUSTICE
> they can do to us! Gore Vidal wrote in "Empire": "The condition of the
> hell, is not imagine that we have a alternative for our lives."
> The ability to contradict sometimes is hiden a will of power and that
> will, have two faces: affirmation and denial. And the affirmation of the
> sublime man is a negative force. Because he don't accept another
> affirmation, the "yes" that can answer to own "yes". Dionysus need to be
> loved. The sublime man is too much perfect and he needs nobody. He judge
> the others by oneself and because of that, think he had solve all the
> contradiction. He solved nothing! Her affirmation deny the affirmation of
> the others. But, you ask me: "We could answer always with a yes?" Of
course
> we can't! We are not the "yes men"! That's why is important deny a
reactive
> force, which impose the INJUSTICE for all, the force that always say: "You
> are wrong! We live in the better of the worlds and there's no
alternative!"
> Now, imagine that reactive power, reverse her position, turn upside down
> and don't say "no" anymore, but "yes" to the differents alternatives:
Then,
> it would be no more a fascist state, but a schizophrenic state!
> The ability to contradict is important to fight against this kind of
> injustice! If you deny a negative force, to resist and face it, you will
> make a affirmation, a statement that can change the conditions of a
> particular context and, in that case, speak gives a new meaning to
reality,
> a tool to dig deeper the indicium of the unsaid, what was behind the
> oficial version. But, more important to speak, is to act! And for that you
> also need ability, strategys: Dionysus must be quick and very swift too!
> How ever, in a open comunnity like rhizome, i think the essencial is
> support, try understand, to relieve and help the nextone. Have a different
> opinion it doesn't mean to have a ego of the size of the world!
> Contradiction between all opinions, gives to us a multiplicity of points
of
> view, and remember, the fascist state hate that! That's why i don't
> comprehend the dogmatism, even less, the insult in a place like this and i
> agree with Lee Wells: "Stop the heat, spread love!" We're in the same
boat.
> Let's stay together, because together we will undefeatble!
>
>
> Best regards:
>
> Joao Pedro
> [email protected]
> http://oliveirapereira1.no.sapo.pt
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "Doug Lewis" <[email protected]>
> To: "'Joao Pedro'" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 7:43 PM
> Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't believe
> in genius
>
>
> > written with a sublime message left fully intact… Nietzsche spoke
about
> > "The ability to Contradict" as a tool for speaking about one's own
> > injustices of which they are yet unaware; is it possible?
> >
> > saltman
> >
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: Joao_Pedro [SMTP:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:39 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Cc: Oliveira Pereira
> > Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't believe
in
> > genius
> >
> > << File: ATT00000.txt; charset = Windows-1252 >> << File:
ATT00001.htm;
> > charset = Windows-1252 >>
> >
> << File: ATT00004.htm >>
>
>
>

Genius 2000 is anti-me also, and I like this post very more than one might
think. So thanks and God bless. See other notes below.


>From: Joao Pedro <[email protected]>
>Reply-To: Joao Pedro <[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>CC: "Oliveira Pereira" <[email protected]>
>Subject: Fw: RHIZOME_RAW: Myth and sense of community. Date: Thu, 12 Sep
>2002 22:29:23 +0100
>
>
>—– Original Message —–
>From: "Joao Pedro" <[email protected]>
>To: "Doug Lewis" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
>Cc: "Oliveira Pereira" <[email protected]>
>Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:13 PM
>Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Myth and sense of community.
>
>
> > Since the beginning of times, the myth had bring together the men
>and
> > give to them a sense of community. But a myth is a fable, a living
> > narration, like wrote Levi-Strauss, a story in transformation, that
>change
> > with the imagination, with the self-invention of the community elements.
> > It's not to idolize, a petrification of a image.

Hence Brad Brace I think, unless he is trashcan juice, which I don't think
he is.

In the network of power,
> > the art must pervert the grid values,

www.geocities.com/genius-2000/January_1_Website.GIF is about grid values.

not to submit to a expectant place,
> > waiting comfortably, with redudant order-words. The art must attempt,
>with
> > fascination, simulation, fatal strategys, viral contamination, against
>the
> > objectivity of the mass media. Not to convert in another icon of our
>times,
> > with a especific status.

I.e. don't add more wreckage nonsense. This ain't easy! Humans are wired
for depression and in that all we see is our own mess, because it's all we
can know (Ted Sawyer, g2k video).

Jean Baudrillard wrote something about that in
> > "Au-dela du vrai et du faux ou le malin genie de l'image".

"About the true and false or the evil genius of the image"? I can use that
idea.

> >
> > Best regards:
> >
> > Joao Pedro

You too bro.

> >
> > P.S. I have nothing against Max or someonelse. Simply, there are
> > attitudes that i don't like. Perhaps it's a default of mine.

Max needs and likes revision but G2K loves it. It's a perfect default imao.
I think maybe it is THE default that people never use.

> >
> >
> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: "Doug Lewis" <[email protected]>
> > To: "'Joao Pedro'" <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 5:22 PM
> > Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't
>believe
> > in genius
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the concentrated thoughts Joao…sounds like an
>anti-"Max"ism.
> > My thoughts are that an artist and the need for artists has always been
>to
> > fertilize contradictions - by simply adding variations of an intuitive
> > understanding of the real (as slippery as that may be), a cognitive
>belief
> > in myth making as well as one part spontaneity. Edward F. Edinger wrote
> > that human society cannot long survive unless its members are
> > psychologically contained within a central living myth.;

I think we need to square the previous myth (2^2=4) if we are to have enough
room.

and so i see the
> > Rhizome as one of the many soft machines that perpetuates myth. Without
> > much reflection, I comfortably say that belief in contradiction -
>inside
> > of my work and inside everyday stumblings, such textures created with
>the
> > elbows of bigger things leave me wanting to speak towards an other -
>things
> > that i feel have been left unsaid (even if only through my sheer
>naivity).
> >
> > best, d
> >
> >
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: Joao Pedro [SMTP:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:20 AM
> > To: Doug Lewis
> > Cc: Oliveira Pereira
> > Subject: Fw: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't
>believe
> > in genius
> >
> >
> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: Joao Pedro
> > To: Doug Lewis ; [email protected]
> > Cc: Oliveira Pereira
> > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't
>believe
> > in genius
> >
> >
> > Doug Lewis:
> >
> > It's not easy to answer to your question, but i will try.
> > Nietzsche in XIX century, made the transition between: a philosophy
> > established in two fundamental truths that built the ocidental thought,
> > since Plato (the principle of identity and the principle of
>contradiction),
> > and a emergent philosophy that give emphasis to live, a vital existence,
> > beyound good and evil. The classic notion of contradiction, defended
>that
> > two values, denying each other, only one could be truth, don't serve
> > Nietzsche. If one of the judges is truth, the other is fake, said the
>logic
> > of the syllogisms, based in the dialectic, like the dialectic used for
> > Plato in their dialogues, to defeat the adversary. On the other hand,
>for
> > Nietzsche doesn't matter if a proposition is truth or fake… If the
>value
> > would be useful in a vital way, then is rightful to make use of it, even
> > that value being fake. But Nietzsche don't stop there and said: the
> > philosopher must invent new values, new meanings. It beahoves us to do
>the
> > meaning of one thing, in the "praxis", in a vital and affirmative way.
> > Dionysus is the affirmation god. The logical thought is no more a
>labyrinth
> > of moral (based in one truth), but the labyrinth of live. And in live
>they
> > are tensions, between potentials (as opposed to a identity) and a
>tension
> > of this kind is called "value". Not an economic or moral sense, but in a
> > sense of self-invention, pure affirmation, a play that only have the
> > purpose of joy, to relieve the tension. But there are a danger, if you
> > actualize this potential, over and over, in the same way. If it grows
>like
> > a image that never change, like a religious icon, a attractor to all
> > potentiality, then you have a force of power, a fascist one. Because
>that
> > force attempt to impose themself like a identity, necessary to all, but
> > they can't resolve all the contraditions, this power see enemys
>everywhere,
> > in a permenent paranoia state. A fascist state is a suicide state.
>Paranoia
> > will killing them.
> > I don't think that's necessary to resolve the contradiction,
>between
> > truth or fake, right or wrong, good or evil, them or us, ally or enemy.
> > Like Nietzsche, the artist is beyound that duality of concepts. There
>are
> > many levels of desire, think, knowing… Reduce the complications of
> > desire, into one vision of things, in a "genial" perspective of the
>world,
> > into the same "sublime" reality, without alternative, that's the
>INJUSTICE
> > they can do to us! Gore Vidal wrote in "Empire": "The condition of the
> > hell, is not imagine that we have a alternative for our lives."
> > The ability to contradict sometimes is hiden a will of power and
>that
> > will, have two faces: affirmation and denial. And the affirmation of the
> > sublime man is a negative force. Because he don't accept another
> > affirmation, the "yes" that can answer to own "yes". Dionysus need to be
> > loved. The sublime man is too much perfect and he needs nobody. He judge
> > the others by oneself and because of that, think he had solve all the
> > contradiction. He solved nothing! Her affirmation deny the affirmation
>of
> > the others. But, you ask me: "We could answer always with a yes?" Of
>course
> > we can't! We are not the "yes men"! That's why is important deny a
>reactive
> > force, which impose the INJUSTICE for all, the force that always say:
>"You
> > are wrong! We live in the better of the worlds and there's no
>alternative!"
> > Now, imagine that reactive power, reverse her position, turn upside down
> > and don't say "no" anymore, but "yes" to the differents alternatives:
>Then,
> > it would be no more a fascist state, but a schizophrenic state!
> > The ability to contradict is important to fight against this kind of
> > injustice! If you deny a negative force, to resist and face it, you will
> > make a affirmation, a statement that can change the conditions of a
> > particular context and, in that case, speak gives a new meaning to
>reality,
> > a tool to dig deeper the indicium of the unsaid, what was behind the
> > oficial version. But, more important to speak, is to act! And for that
>you
> > also need ability, strategys: Dionysus must be quick and very swift too!
> > How ever, in a open comunnity like rhizome, i think the essencial is
> > support, try understand, to relieve and help the nextone. Have a
>different
> > opinion it doesn't mean to have a ego of the size of the world!
> > Contradiction between all opinions, gives to us a multiplicity of points
>of
> > view, and remember, the fascist state hate that! That's why i don't
> > comprehend the dogmatism, even less, the insult in a place like this and
>i
> > agree with Lee Wells: "Stop the heat, spread love!" We're in the same
>boat.
> > Let's stay together, because together we will undefeatble!
> >
> >
> > Best regards:
> >
> > Joao Pedro
> > [email protected]
> > http://oliveirapereira1.no.sapo.pt
> >
> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: "Doug Lewis" <[email protected]>
> > To: "'Joao Pedro'" <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 7:43 PM
> > Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't
>believe
> > in genius
> >
> >
> > > written with a sublime message left fully intact… Nietzsche spoke
>about
> > > "The ability to Contradict" as a tool for speaking about one's own
> > > injustices of which they are yet unaware; is it possible?
> > >
> > > saltman
> > >
> > > —–Original Message—–
> > > From: Joao_Pedro [SMTP:[email protected]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:39 PM
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Cc: Oliveira Pereira
> > > Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't believe
>in
> > > genius
> > >
> > > << File: ATT00000.txt; charset = Windows-1252 >> << File:
>ATT00001.htm;
> > > charset = Windows-1252 >>
> > >
> > << File: ATT00004.htm >>
> >
> >
>
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—– Original Message —–
From: "Joao Pedro" <[email protected]>
To: "Max Herman" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Oliveira Pereira" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:33 AM
Subject: Fw: Fw: RHIZOME_RAW: Myth and sense of community.


>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "Joao Pedro" <[email protected]>
> To: "Max Herman" <[email protected]>
> Cc: "Oliveira Pereira" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: RHIZOME_RAW: Myth and sense of community.
>
>
> > Max wrote:
> >
> > "Genius 2000 is anti-me also." You surprise me! You don't have a
ego
> so
> > big, after all! I was wrong again… I'm joking, Max! You don't need be
so
> > harsh to yourself! I apprecieted much this post. Thanks too!
> >
> > Best regards:
> >
> > Joao Pedro
> >
> > PS. A God bless is a man bless. You see, a drop of human kind is
> > enough, to god have ink to write the destiny of men.
> >
> >
> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: "Max Herman" <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: Fw: RHIZOME_RAW: Myth and sense of community.
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Genius 2000 is anti-me also, and I like this post very more than one
> might
> > > think. So thanks and God bless. See other notes below.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Joao Pedro <[email protected]>
> > > >Reply-To: Joao Pedro <[email protected]>
> > > >To: <[email protected]>
> > > >CC: "Oliveira Pereira" <[email protected]>
> > > >Subject: Fw: RHIZOME_RAW: Myth and sense of community. Date: Thu, 12
> Sep
> > > >2002 22:29:23 +0100
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >—– Original Message —–
> > > >From: "Joao Pedro" <[email protected]>
> > > >To: "Doug Lewis" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
> > > >Cc: "Oliveira Pereira" <[email protected]>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:13 PM
> > > >Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Myth and sense of community.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Since the beginning of times, the myth had bring together the
> men
> > > >and
> > > > > give to them a sense of community. But a myth is a fable, a living
> > > > > narration, like wrote Levi-Strauss, a story in transformation,
that
> > > >change
> > > > > with the imagination, with the self-invention of the community
> > elements.
> > > > > It's not to idolize, a petrification of a image.
> > >
> > > Hence Brad Brace I think, unless he is trashcan juice, which I don't
> think
> > > he is.
> > >
> > > In the network of power,
> > > > > the art must pervert the grid values,
> > >
> > > www.geocities.com/genius-2000/January_1_Website.GIF is about grid
> values.
> > >
> > > not to submit to a expectant place,
> > > > > waiting comfortably, with redudant order-words. The art must
> attempt,
> > > >with
> > > > > fascination, simulation, fatal strategys, viral contamination,
> against
> > > >the
> > > > > objectivity of the mass media. Not to convert in another icon of
our
> > > >times,
> > > > > with a especific status.
> > >
> > > I.e. don't add more wreckage nonsense. This ain't easy! Humans are
> wired
> > > for depression and in that all we see is our own mess, because it's
all
> we
> > > can know (Ted Sawyer, g2k video).
> > >
> > > Jean Baudrillard wrote something about that in
> > > > > "Au-dela du vrai et du faux ou le malin genie de l'image".
> > >
> > > "About the true and false or the evil genius of the image"? I can use
> > that
> > > idea.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards:
> > > > >
> > > > > Joao Pedro
> > >
> > > You too bro.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > P.S. I have nothing against Max or someonelse. Simply,
there
> > are
> > > > > attitudes that i don't like. Perhaps it's a default of mine.
> > >
> > > Max needs and likes revision but G2K loves it. It's a perfect default
> > imao.
> > > I think maybe it is THE default that people never use.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > —– Original Message —–
> > > > > From: "Doug Lewis" <[email protected]>
> > > > > To: "'Joao Pedro'" <[email protected]>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 5:22 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't
> > > >believe
> > > > > in genius
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the concentrated thoughts Joao…sounds like an
> > > >anti-"Max"ism.
> > > > > My thoughts are that an artist and the need for artists has always
> > been
> > > >to
> > > > > fertilize contradictions - by simply adding variations of an
> > intuitive
> > > > > understanding of the real (as slippery as that may be), a
cognitive
> > > >belief
> > > > > in myth making as well as one part spontaneity. Edward F. Edinger
> > wrote
> > > > > that human society cannot long survive unless its members are
> > > > > psychologically contained within a central living myth.;
> > >
> > > I think we need to square the previous myth (2^2=4) if we are to have
> > enough
> > > room.
> > >
> > > and so i see the
> > > > > Rhizome as one of the many soft machines that perpetuates myth.
> > Without
> > > > > much reflection, I comfortably say that belief in contradiction -
> > > >inside
> > > > > of my work and inside everyday stumblings, such textures created
> with
> > > >the
> > > > > elbows of bigger things leave me wanting to speak towards an
other -
> > > >things
> > > > > that i feel have been left unsaid (even if only through my sheer
> > > >naivity).
> > > > >
> > > > > best, d
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > —–Original Message—–
> > > > > From: Joao Pedro [SMTP:[email protected]]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:20 AM
> > > > > To: Doug Lewis
> > > > > Cc: Oliveira Pereira
> > > > > Subject: Fw: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't
> > > >believe
> > > > > in genius
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > —– Original Message —–
> > > > > From: Joao Pedro
> > > > > To: Doug Lewis ; [email protected]
> > > > > Cc: Oliveira Pereira
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:42 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't
> > > >believe
> > > > > in genius
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Doug Lewis:
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not easy to answer to your question, but i will try.
> > > > > Nietzsche in XIX century, made the transition between: a
> > philosophy
> > > > > established in two fundamental truths that built the ocidental
> > thought,
> > > > > since Plato (the principle of identity and the principle of
> > > >contradiction),
> > > > > and a emergent philosophy that give emphasis to live, a vital
> > existence,
> > > > > beyound good and evil. The classic notion of contradiction,
defended
> > > >that
> > > > > two values, denying each other, only one could be truth, don't
serve
> > > > > Nietzsche. If one of the judges is truth, the other is fake, said
> the
> > > >logic
> > > > > of the syllogisms, based in the dialectic, like the dialectic used
> for
> > > > > Plato in their dialogues, to defeat the adversary. On the other
> hand,
> > > >for
> > > > > Nietzsche doesn't matter if a proposition is truth or fake… If
the
> > > >value
> > > > > would be useful in a vital way, then is rightful to make use of
it,
> > even
> > > > > that value being fake. But Nietzsche don't stop there and said:
the
> > > > > philosopher must invent new values, new meanings. It beahoves us
to
> do
> > > >the
> > > > > meaning of one thing, in the "praxis", in a vital and affirmative
> way.
> > > > > Dionysus is the affirmation god. The logical thought is no more a
> > > >labyrinth
> > > > > of moral (based in one truth), but the labyrinth of live. And in
> live
> > > >they
> > > > > are tensions, between potentials (as opposed to a identity) and a
> > > >tension
> > > > > of this kind is called "value". Not an economic or moral sense,
but
> in
> > a
> > > > > sense of self-invention, pure affirmation, a play that only have
the
> > > > > purpose of joy, to relieve the tension. But there are a danger, if
> you
> > > > > actualize this potential, over and over, in the same way. If it
> grows
> > > >like
> > > > > a image that never change, like a religious icon, a attractor to
all
> > > > > potentiality, then you have a force of power, a fascist one.
Because
> > > >that
> > > > > force attempt to impose themself like a identity, necessary to
all,
> > but
> > > > > they can't resolve all the contraditions, this power see enemys
> > > >everywhere,
> > > > > in a permenent paranoia state. A fascist state is a suicide state.
> > > >Paranoia
> > > > > will killing them.
> > > > > I don't think that's necessary to resolve the contradiction,
> > > >between
> > > > > truth or fake, right or wrong, good or evil, them or us, ally or
> > enemy.
> > > > > Like Nietzsche, the artist is beyound that duality of concepts.
> There
> > > >are
> > > > > many levels of desire, think, knowing… Reduce the complications
of
> > > > > desire, into one vision of things, in a "genial" perspective of
the
> > > >world,
> > > > > into the same "sublime" reality, without alternative, that's the
> > > >INJUSTICE
> > > > > they can do to us! Gore Vidal wrote in "Empire": "The condition of
> the
> > > > > hell, is not imagine that we have a alternative for our lives."
> > > > > The ability to contradict sometimes is hiden a will of power
> and
> > > >that
> > > > > will, have two faces: affirmation and denial. And the affirmation
of
> > the
> > > > > sublime man is a negative force. Because he don't accept another
> > > > > affirmation, the "yes" that can answer to own "yes". Dionysus need
> to
> > be
> > > > > loved. The sublime man is too much perfect and he needs nobody. He
> > judge
> > > > > the others by oneself and because of that, think he had solve all
> the
> > > > > contradiction. He solved nothing! Her affirmation deny the
> affirmation
> > > >of
> > > > > the others. But, you ask me: "We could answer always with a yes?"
Of
> > > >course
> > > > > we can't! We are not the "yes men"! That's why is important deny a
> > > >reactive
> > > > > force, which impose the INJUSTICE for all, the force that always
> say:
> > > >"You
> > > > > are wrong! We live in the better of the worlds and there's no
> > > >alternative!"
> > > > > Now, imagine that reactive power, reverse her position, turn
upside
> > down
> > > > > and don't say "no" anymore, but "yes" to the differents
> alternatives:
> > > >Then,
> > > > > it would be no more a fascist state, but a schizophrenic state!
> > > > > The ability to contradict is important to fight against this
> kind
> > of
> > > > > injustice! If you deny a negative force, to resist and face it,
you
> > will
> > > > > make a affirmation, a statement that can change the conditions of
a
> > > > > particular context and, in that case, speak gives a new meaning to
> > > >reality,
> > > > > a tool to dig deeper the indicium of the unsaid, what was behind
the
> > > > > oficial version. But, more important to speak, is to act! And for
> that
> > > >you
> > > > > also need ability, strategys: Dionysus must be quick and very
swift
> > too!
> > > > > How ever, in a open comunnity like rhizome, i think the
> essencial
> > is
> > > > > support, try understand, to relieve and help the nextone. Have a
> > > >different
> > > > > opinion it doesn't mean to have a ego of the size of the world!
> > > > > Contradiction between all opinions, gives to us a multiplicity of
> > points
> > > >of
> > > > > view, and remember, the fascist state hate that! That's why i
don't
> > > > > comprehend the dogmatism, even less, the insult in a place like
this
> > and
> > > >i
> > > > > agree with Lee Wells: "Stop the heat, spread love!" We're in the
> same
> > > >boat.
> > > > > Let's stay together, because together we will undefeatble!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards:
> > > > >
> > > > > Joao Pedro
> > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > http://oliveirapereira1.no.sapo.pt
> > > > >
> > > > > —– Original Message —–
> > > > > From: "Doug Lewis" <[email protected]>
> > > > > To: "'Joao Pedro'" <[email protected]>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 7:43 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't
> > > >believe
> > > > > in genius
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > written with a sublime message left fully intact… Nietzsche
> spoke
> > > >about
> > > > > > "The ability to Contradict" as a tool for speaking about one's
own
> > > > > > injustices of which they are yet unaware; is it possible?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > saltman
> > > > > >
> > > > > > —–Original Message—–
> > > > > > From: Joao_Pedro
> > [SMTP:[email protected]]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:39 PM
> > > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > > Cc: Oliveira Pereira
> > > > > > Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't
> > believe
> > > >in
> > > > > > genius
> > > > > >
> > > > > > << File: ATT00000.txt; charset = Windows-1252 >> << File:
> > > >ATT00001.htm;
> > > > > > charset = Windows-1252 >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > << File: ATT00004.htm >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
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—– Original Message —–
From: "Joao Pedro" <[email protected]>
To: "Max Herman" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Oliveira Pereira" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:33 AM
Subject: Fw: Fw: RHIZOME_RAW: Myth and sense of community.


>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: "Joao Pedro" <[email protected]>
> To: "Max Herman" <[email protected]>
> Cc: "Oliveira Pereira" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: RHIZOME_RAW: Myth and sense of community.
>
>
> > Max wrote:
> >
> > "Genius 2000 is anti-me also." You surprise me! You don't have a
ego
> so
> > big, after all! I was wrong again… I'm joking, Max! You don't need be
so
> > harsh to yourself! I apprecieted much this post. Thanks too!
> >
> > Best regards:
> >
> > Joao Pedro
> >
> > PS. A God bless is a man bless. You see, a drop of human kind is
> > enough, to god have ink to write the destiny of men.
> >
> >
> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: "Max Herman" <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: Fw: RHIZOME_RAW: Myth and sense of community.
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Genius 2000 is anti-me also, and I like this post very more than one
> might
> > > think. So thanks and God bless. See other notes below.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Joao Pedro <[email protected]>
> > > >Reply-To: Joao Pedro <[email protected]>
> > > >To: <[email protected]>
> > > >CC: "Oliveira Pereira" <[email protected]>
> > > >Subject: Fw: RHIZOME_RAW: Myth and sense of community. Date: Thu, 12
> Sep
> > > >2002 22:29:23 +0100
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >—– Original Message —–
> > > >From: "Joao Pedro" <[email protected]>
> > > >To: "Doug Lewis" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
> > > >Cc: "Oliveira Pereira" <[email protected]>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:13 PM
> > > >Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Myth and sense of community.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Since the beginning of times, the myth had bring together the
> men
> > > >and
> > > > > give to them a sense of community. But a myth is a fable, a living
> > > > > narration, like wrote Levi-Strauss, a story in transformation,
that
> > > >change
> > > > > with the imagination, with the self-invention of the community
> > elements.
> > > > > It's not to idolize, a petrification of a image.
> > >
> > > Hence Brad Brace I think, unless he is trashcan juice, which I don't
> think
> > > he is.
> > >
> > > In the network of power,
> > > > > the art must pervert the grid values,
> > >
> > > www.geocities.com/genius-2000/January_1_Website.GIF is about grid
> values.
> > >
> > > not to submit to a expectant place,
> > > > > waiting comfortably, with redudant order-words. The art must
> attempt,
> > > >with
> > > > > fascination, simulation, fatal strategys, viral contamination,
> against
> > > >the
> > > > > objectivity of the mass media. Not to convert in another icon of
our
> > > >times,
> > > > > with a especific status.
> > >
> > > I.e. don't add more wreckage nonsense. This ain't easy! Humans are
> wired
> > > for depression and in that all we see is our own mess, because it's
all
> we
> > > can know (Ted Sawyer, g2k video).
> > >
> > > Jean Baudrillard wrote something about that in
> > > > > "Au-dela du vrai et du faux ou le malin genie de l'image".
> > >
> > > "About the true and false or the evil genius of the image"? I can use
> > that
> > > idea.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards:
> > > > >
> > > > > Joao Pedro
> > >
> > > You too bro.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > P.S. I have nothing against Max or someonelse. Simply,
there
> > are
> > > > > attitudes that i don't like. Perhaps it's a default of mine.
> > >
> > > Max needs and likes revision but G2K loves it. It's a perfect default
> > imao.
> > > I think maybe it is THE default that people never use.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > —– Original Message —–
> > > > > From: "Doug Lewis" <[email protected]>
> > > > > To: "'Joao Pedro'" <[email protected]>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 5:22 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't
> > > >believe
> > > > > in genius
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the concentrated thoughts Joao…sounds like an
> > > >anti-"Max"ism.
> > > > > My thoughts are that an artist and the need for artists has always
> > been
> > > >to
> > > > > fertilize contradictions - by simply adding variations of an
> > intuitive
> > > > > understanding of the real (as slippery as that may be), a
cognitive
> > > >belief
> > > > > in myth making as well as one part spontaneity. Edward F. Edinger
> > wrote
> > > > > that human society cannot long survive unless its members are
> > > > > psychologically contained within a central living myth.;
> > >
> > > I think we need to square the previous myth (2^2=4) if we are to have
> > enough
> > > room.
> > >
> > > and so i see the
> > > > > Rhizome as one of the many soft machines that perpetuates myth.
> > Without
> > > > > much reflection, I comfortably say that belief in contradiction -
> > > >inside
> > > > > of my work and inside everyday stumblings, such textures created
> with
> > > >the
> > > > > elbows of bigger things leave me wanting to speak towards an
other -
> > > >things
> > > > > that i feel have been left unsaid (even if only through my sheer
> > > >naivity).
> > > > >
> > > > > best, d
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > —–Original Message—–
> > > > > From: Joao Pedro [SMTP:[email protected]]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:20 AM
> > > > > To: Doug Lewis
> > > > > Cc: Oliveira Pereira
> > > > > Subject: Fw: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't
> > > >believe
> > > > > in genius
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > —– Original Message —–
> > > > > From: Joao Pedro
> > > > > To: Doug Lewis ; [email protected]
> > > > > Cc: Oliveira Pereira
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:42 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't
> > > >believe
> > > > > in genius
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Doug Lewis:
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not easy to answer to your question, but i will try.
> > > > > Nietzsche in XIX century, made the transition between: a
> > philosophy
> > > > > established in two fundamental truths that built the ocidental
> > thought,
> > > > > since Plato (the principle of identity and the principle of
> > > >contradiction),
> > > > > and a emergent philosophy that give emphasis to live, a vital
> > existence,
> > > > > beyound good and evil. The classic notion of contradiction,
defended
> > > >that
> > > > > two values, denying each other, only one could be truth, don't
serve
> > > > > Nietzsche. If one of the judges is truth, the other is fake, said
> the
> > > >logic
> > > > > of the syllogisms, based in the dialectic, like the dialectic used
> for
> > > > > Plato in their dialogues, to defeat the adversary. On the other
> hand,
> > > >for
> > > > > Nietzsche doesn't matter if a proposition is truth or fake… If
the
> > > >value
> > > > > would be useful in a vital way, then is rightful to make use of
it,
> > even
> > > > > that value being fake. But Nietzsche don't stop there and said:
the
> > > > > philosopher must invent new values, new meanings. It beahoves us
to
> do
> > > >the
> > > > > meaning of one thing, in the "praxis", in a vital and affirmative
> way.
> > > > > Dionysus is the affirmation god. The logical thought is no more a
> > > >labyrinth
> > > > > of moral (based in one truth), but the labyrinth of live. And in
> live
> > > >they
> > > > > are tensions, between potentials (as opposed to a identity) and a
> > > >tension
> > > > > of this kind is called "value". Not an economic or moral sense,
but
> in
> > a
> > > > > sense of self-invention, pure affirmation, a play that only have
the
> > > > > purpose of joy, to relieve the tension. But there are a danger, if
> you
> > > > > actualize this potential, over and over, in the same way. If it
> grows
> > > >like
> > > > > a image that never change, like a religious icon, a attractor to
all
> > > > > potentiality, then you have a force of power, a fascist one.
Because
> > > >that
> > > > > force attempt to impose themself like a identity, necessary to
all,
> > but
> > > > > they can't resolve all the contraditions, this power see enemys
> > > >everywhere,
> > > > > in a permenent paranoia state. A fascist state is a suicide state.
> > > >Paranoia
> > > > > will killing them.
> > > > > I don't think that's necessary to resolve the contradiction,
> > > >between
> > > > > truth or fake, right or wrong, good or evil, them or us, ally or
> > enemy.
> > > > > Like Nietzsche, the artist is beyound that duality of concepts.
> There
> > > >are
> > > > > many levels of desire, think, knowing… Reduce the complications
of
> > > > > desire, into one vision of things, in a "genial" perspective of
the
> > > >world,
> > > > > into the same "sublime" reality, without alternative, that's the
> > > >INJUSTICE
> > > > > they can do to us! Gore Vidal wrote in "Empire": "The condition of
> the
> > > > > hell, is not imagine that we have a alternative for our lives."
> > > > > The ability to contradict sometimes is hiden a will of power
> and
> > > >that
> > > > > will, have two faces: affirmation and denial. And the affirmation
of
> > the
> > > > > sublime man is a negative force. Because he don't accept another
> > > > > affirmation, the "yes" that can answer to own "yes". Dionysus need
> to
> > be
> > > > > loved. The sublime man is too much perfect and he needs nobody. He
> > judge
> > > > > the others by oneself and because of that, think he had solve all
> the
> > > > > contradiction. He solved nothing! Her affirmation deny the
> affirmation
> > > >of
> > > > > the others. But, you ask me: "We could answer always with a yes?"
Of
> > > >course
> > > > > we can't! We are not the "yes men"! That's why is important deny a
> > > >reactive
> > > > > force, which impose the INJUSTICE for all, the force that always
> say:
> > > >"You
> > > > > are wrong! We live in the better of the worlds and there's no
> > > >alternative!"
> > > > > Now, imagine that reactive power, reverse her position, turn
upside
> > down
> > > > > and don't say "no" anymore, but "yes" to the differents
> alternatives:
> > > >Then,
> > > > > it would be no more a fascist state, but a schizophrenic state!
> > > > > The ability to contradict is important to fight against this
> kind
> > of
> > > > > injustice! If you deny a negative force, to resist and face it,
you
> > will
> > > > > make a affirmation, a statement that can change the conditions of
a
> > > > > particular context and, in that case, speak gives a new meaning to
> > > >reality,
> > > > > a tool to dig deeper the indicium of the unsaid, what was behind
the
> > > > > oficial version. But, more important to speak, is to act! And for
> that
> > > >you
> > > > > also need ability, strategys: Dionysus must be quick and very
swift
> > too!
> > > > > How ever, in a open comunnity like rhizome, i think the
> essencial
> > is
> > > > > support, try understand, to relieve and help the nextone. Have a
> > > >different
> > > > > opinion it doesn't mean to have a ego of the size of the world!
> > > > > Contradiction between all opinions, gives to us a multiplicity of
> > points
> > > >of
> > > > > view, and remember, the fascist state hate that! That's why i
don't
> > > > > comprehend the dogmatism, even less, the insult in a place like
this
> > and
> > > >i
> > > > > agree with Lee Wells: "Stop the heat, spread love!" We're in the
> same
> > > >boat.
> > > > > Let's stay together, because together we will undefeatble!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards:
> > > > >
> > > > > Joao Pedro
> > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > http://oliveirapereira1.no.sapo.pt
> > > > >
> > > > > —– Original Message —–
> > > > > From: "Doug Lewis" <[email protected]>
> > > > > To: "'Joao Pedro'" <[email protected]>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 7:43 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't
> > > >believe
> > > > > in genius
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > written with a sublime message left fully intact… Nietzsche
> spoke
> > > >about
> > > > > > "The ability to Contradict" as a tool for speaking about one's
own
> > > > > > injustices of which they are yet unaware; is it possible?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > saltman
> > > > > >
> > > > > > —–Original Message—–
> > > > > > From: Joao_Pedro
> > [SMTP:[email protected]]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:39 PM
> > > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > > Cc: Oliveira Pereira
> > > > > > Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: RHIZOME RAW: A word of warning-don't
> > believe
> > > >in
> > > > > > genius
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