Joseph Kramer's Fall Newsletter

Kanindskij, you got nothing to lose so maybe force some people to comment in
public about G2K? Try BH for starters.

Everyone knows about it so you won't have to go far.

Max Herman
genius2000.net

++

>From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>Reply-To: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: RHIZOME\_RAW: Joseph Kramer's Fall Newsletter Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002
>13:30:43 -0700 (PDT)
>
>.fwd
>
>Dear Erotic Explorer,
>
>May bliss and excitement fill your days as autumn approaches. This Labor
>Day
>email is being sent to customers and friends of Joseph Kramer, EroSpirit
>Research Institute, and The New School of Erotic Touch.
>
>After years of playing doctor, I finally became a doctor. I received my
>Ph.D. in
>human sexuality this June. My doctoral dissertation focused on the erotic
>states
>produced during a Taoist Erotic Massage. If you have had transformational
>experiences with this form of erotic touch, you might benefit from my
>explanation of how this massage works. My thesis is that Taoist Erotic
>Massage
>allows us the freedom to make changes in our patterns of behavior. The
>dissertation is available on disk or hard copy in the Erotic Massage
>section of
>http://www.eroticmassage.com/.
>
>My Ph.D. program in human sexuality tragically engaged me from the neck-up
>only.
>Therefore, I proposed to the dean of my alma mater that all students have
>the
>opportunity to take hands-on erotic bodywork training as a part of their
>degrees. So in 2003, I will teach the first experiential graduate course in
>"sexological" bodywork in the United States. Even without enrolling in a
>graduate degree program, you can take this course for certification in San
>Francisco or in Los Angeles. You can enjoy the course outline.at
>http://www.eroticmassage.com/gradschool.
>
>SEX COACHING is part of the experiential bodywork course described above.
>If you
>are interested in this new profession, I am again offering INTRODUCTION TO
>MASTURBATION COACHING–a five-session training by email beginning on
>October 15
>for women and men. I believe that one-third of the folks who go to see
>psychotherapists just need to learn to masturbate better. They don't need a
>pyschotherapist. They need a masturbation coach.
>
>Betty Dodson's video "Celebrating Orgasm" and my video "Evolutionary
>Masturbation" are foundational for anyone interested in this career.
>Tuition for
>the five-week email course is $20. You can learn more about this practical
>training and register at http://www.eroticmassage.com/coaching/.
>
>I have collected my favorite video clips of erotic massage on women into a
>DVD
>anthology entitled "The Best of Vulva Massage." This DVD, available in
>November, includes teaching segments from Annie Sprinkle, Kenneth Ray
>Stubbs,
>Deborah Sundahl, Betty Dodson, Jack Painter, Deborah Anapol, Jwala, Victor
>Gold,
>Suzie Heumann, Juliet Anderson, and me.
>
>I am seeking erotically-gifted masseurs and masseuses from the San
>Francisco Bay
>Area for four educational DVD/video projects. For those of you who are A+
>erotic
>bodyworkers but not local, I am interested in buying your erotic video
>footage.
>I am offering up to $3000 for your excellence. Descriptions of the projects
>are
>available at: http://www.eroticmassage.com/auditions/.
>
>Be excellent to each other,
>
>Joseph Kramer, Ph.D.
>
>
>+ If the reader will keep me company I shall be glad.
>-> post: [email protected]
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On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:

> Kanindskij, you got nothing to lose

You deserve a slap across the face for that one,
dear Max. You are the one who hasn't got anything to lose,
baby. I'm not you. And I don't care for this 'dare-devil'
knee-jerk propaganda.

Go vote.

> so maybe force some people to comment in
> public about G2K?

Could you be a bit more laughable in your behavior?
You're hardly a soldier, but you're attempting to play
general–just like Eryk Salvaggio.

I like certain qualities in what you do. Don't abuse it.

> Try BH for starters.

Force him yourself, Max. Isn't it more fun to learn to do it yourself?
Or should I send the Nepalese virgins to convince BH to comment on G2k?
I'd rather have them picking raspberries and washing their hands in rose
water.

> Everyone knows about it so you won't have to go far.

Do it yourself, love.
I am not 'participating' in your G2K project.
What's more if it hasn't become evident to you,
the extent of my communication has been to that degree.
G2K is YOUR project. Deal with it yourself.
And quit trying to play the 'leader'
before you even know what that's about.

And while you're at it, go to Joseph Kramer's Sex Seminar.
You might learn something.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaa
Max Herman wrote:

Kanindskij, you got nothing to lose so maybe force some people to comment in
public about G2K? Try BH for starters.

Everyone knows about it so you won't have to go far.

Max Herman
genius2000.net

++

>From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+"
>Reply-To: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+"
>To:
>Subject: RHIZOME\_RAW: Joseph Kramer's Fall Newsletter Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002
>13:30:43 -0700 (PDT)
>
>.fwd
>
>Dear Erotic Explorer,
>
>May bliss and excitement fill your days as autumn approaches. This Labor
>Day
>email is being sent to customers and friends of Joseph Kramer, EroSpirit
>Research Institute, and The New School of Erotic Touch.
>
>After years of playing doctor, I finally became a doctor. I received my
>Ph.D. in
>human sexuality this June. My doctoral dissertation focused on the erotic
>states
>produced during a Taoist Erotic Massage. If you have had transformational
>experiences with this form of erotic touch, you might benefit from my
>explanation of how this massage works. My thesis is that Taoist Erotic
>Massage
>allows us the freedom to make changes in our patterns of behavior. The
>dissertation is available on disk or hard copy in the Erotic Massage
>section of
>http://www.eroticmassage.com/.
>
>My Ph.D. program in human sexuality tragically engaged me from the neck-up
>only.
>Therefore, I proposed to the dean of my alma mater that all students have
>the
>opportunity to take hands-on erotic bodywork training as a part of their
>degrees. So in 2003, I will teach the first experiential graduate course in
>"sexological" bodywork in the United States. Even without enrolling in a
>graduate degree program, you can take this course for certification in San
>Francisco or in Los Angeles. You can enjoy the course outline.at
>http://www.eroticmassage.com/gradschool.
>
>SEX COACHING is part of the experiential bodywork course described above.
>If you
>are interested in this new profession, I am again offering INTRODUCTION TO
>MASTURBATION COACHING–a five-session training by email beginning on
>October 15
>for women and men. I believe that one-third of the folks who go to see
>psychotherapists just need to learn to masturbate better. They don't need a
>pyschotherapist. They need a masturbation coach.
>
>Betty Dodson's video "Celebrating Orgasm" and my video "Evolutionary
>Masturbation" are foundational for anyone interested in this career.
>Tuition for
>the five-week email course is $20. You can learn more about this practical
>training and register at http://www.eroticmassage.com/coaching/.
>
>I have collected my favorite video clips of erotic massage on women into a
>DVD
>anthology entitled "The Best of Vulva Massage." This DVD, available in
>November, includes teaching segments from Annie Sprinkle, Kenneth Ray
>Stubbs,
>Deborah Sundahl, Betty Dodson, Jack Painter, Deborah Anapol, Jwala, Victor
>Gold,
>Suzie Heumann, Juliet Anderson, and me.
>
>I am seeking erotically-gifted masseurs and masseuses from the San
>Francisco Bay
>Area for four educational DVD/video projects. For those of you who are A+
>erotic
>bodyworkers but not local, I am interested in buying your erotic video
>footage.
>I am offering up to $3000 for your excellence. Descriptions of the projects
>are
>available at: http://www.eroticmassage.com/auditions/.
>
>Be excellent to each other,
>
>Joseph Kramer, Ph.D.
>
>
>+ If the reader will keep me company I shall be glad.
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>From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>To: Max Herman <[email protected]>
>CC: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Joseph Kramer's Fall Newsletter
>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:14:36 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:
>
> > Kanindskij, you got nothing to lose
>
> You deserve a slap across the face for that one,
> dear Max.

Which you just gave me I believe.

You are the one who hasn't got anything to lose,
> baby. I'm not you. And I don't care for this 'dare-devil'
> knee-jerk propaganda.

So now I know.

>
> Go vote.
>
> > so maybe force some people to comment in
> > public about G2K?
>
> Could you be a bit more laughable in your behavior?
> You're hardly a soldier, but you're attempting to play
> general–just like Eryk Salvaggio.

Don't do it if you don't want to. I'm not a general, I can't force you. I
said maybe, I'm not going to hate you for not doing it.

>
> I like certain qualities in what you do. Don't abuse it.

I don't care if you like me.

>
> > Try BH for starters.
>
> Force him yourself, Max. Isn't it more fun to learn to do it yourself?

He'll just kick me off if I force him again. But yes I like to know who's
not going to do what.

> Or should I send the Nepalese virgins to convince BH to comment on G2k?
> I'd rather have them picking raspberries and washing their hands in rose
> water.
>
> > Everyone knows about it so you won't have to go far.
>
> Do it yourself, love.

You already said that.

> I am not 'participating' in your G2K project.

You use quotation marks too much. "I am not participating in your G2K
project" is better style. Never substitute punctuation for good diction.

> What's more if it hasn't become evident to you,
> the extent of my communication has been to that degree.

I tend to forget stuff plus people change their minds a lot.

> G2K is YOUR project. Deal with it yourself.
> And quit trying to play the 'leader'
> before you even know what that's about.

Now you're downgrading me. I think I do know what you're saying I don't
know. And don't say "nobody can know anything," now or ever again.

>
> And while you're at it, go to Joseph Kramer's Sex Seminar.
> You might learn something.

I'm sure I would. Are you implying there are people who wouldn't?

>
>`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42


Max Herman
genius2000.net

++

Re: Max Herman, www.fluffer2000.org
Dear Talkback Readers:

I deputize you all to ask internet art and digital experts what they think
of Genius 2000. They all know about it already so you won't have to do any
cold-calling.

Start with Matt Mirapaul, [email protected], and Jon Ippolito at
wherever.

If anyone says they don't know what it is, tell them it's at genius2000.net
and www.geocities.com/genius-2000.

Other notables who know about it but won't pony up: Max Anderson, David
Ross, Christiane Paul, Mark Tribe, Wolfgang Staehle, any artist listed at
Rhizome.org or Thing.net, the Syracuse University New Media Department,
Peter von Brandenburg, Peter Weibel, Victoria Vesna, Mark Amerika, Joy
Garnett, Matthew Fuller, and more.

Everyone knows about Genius 2000 at the following lists: 7-11, Fluxlist,
Rhizome Raw, Thingist, Syndicate, Empyre, and Nettime.

You do not need to be concerned about your geographic location. Every
continent with arable land knows about Genius 2000, plus my friend who runs
the search and rescue department at the US North Pole Research Center,
Brennan Brunner.

Most people affiliated with YMCA Camp Widjiwagan also know me and my younger
sister Carter nee Herman.

If you are an entymologist or endocrinologist, you may know my father
William Herman; if you shop at plant nurseries in St. Paul MN you may know
my mother Charlotte. If you have tattoos you may know my sister Alex. If you
party in SF you may know my former bosses Peter Glikshtern and Dennis Ring,
and former co-workers Rick, Richard, Mouse, Stephanie, Ray (now at Fuse),
Abe, Gary, Jessica, Tierney, Mickey, DX, and Shawntelle.


++

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"-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" wrote:On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:

> Kanindskij, you got nothing to lose

You deserve a slap across the face for that one,
dear Max. You are the one who hasn't got anything to lose,
baby. I'm not you. And I don't care for this 'dare-devil'
knee-jerk propaganda.

Go vote.

> so maybe force some people to comment in
> public about G2K?

Could you be a bit more laughable in your behavior?
You're hardly a soldier, but you're attempting to play
general–just like Eryk Salvaggio.

I like certain qualities in what you do. Don't abuse it.

> Try BH for starters.

Force him yourself, Max. Isn't it more fun to learn to do it yourself?
Or should I send the Nepalese virgins to convince BH to comment on G2k?
I'd rather have them picking raspberries and washing their hands in rose
water.

> Everyone knows about it so you won't have to go far.

Do it yourself, love.
I am not 'participating' in your G2K project.
What's more if it hasn't become evident to you,
the extent of my communication has been to that degree.
G2K is YOUR project. Deal with it yourself.
And quit trying to play the 'leader'
before you even know what that's about.

And while you're at it, go to Joseph Kramer's Sex Seminar.
You might learn something.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

+ If the reader will keep me company I shall be glad.
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Max Herman wrote:


>From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+"
>To: Max Herman
>CC:

>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Joseph Kramer's Fall Newsletter
>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:14:36 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:
>
> > Kanindskij, you got nothing to lose
>
> You deserve a slap across the face for that one,
> dear Max.

Which you just gave me I believe.

You are the one who hasn't got anything to lose,
> baby. I'm not you. And I don't care for this 'dare-devil'
> knee-jerk propaganda.

So now I know.

>
> Go vote.
>
> > so maybe force some people to comment in
> > public about G2K?
>
> Could you be a bit more laughable in your behavior?
> You're hardly a soldier, but you're attempting to play
> general–just like Eryk Salvaggio.

Don't do it if you don't want to. I'm not a general, I can't force you. I
said maybe, I'm not going to hate you for not doing it.

>
> I like certain qualities in what you do. Don't abuse it.

I don't care if you like me.

>
> > Try BH for starters.
>
> Force him yourself, Max. Isn't it more fun to learn to do it yourself?

He'll just kick me off if I force him again. But yes I like to know who's
not going to do what.

> Or should I send the Nepalese virgins to convince BH to comment on G2k?
> I'd rather have them picking raspberries and washing their hands in rose
> water.
>
> > Everyone knows about it so you won't have to go far.
>
> Do it yourself, love.

You already said that.

> I am not 'participating' in your G2K project.

You use quotation marks too much. "I am not participating in your G2K
project" is better style. Never substitute punctuation for good diction.

> What's more if it hasn't become evident to you,
> the extent of my communication has been to that degree.

I tend to forget stuff plus people change their minds a lot.

> G2K is YOUR project. Deal with it yourself.
> And quit trying to play the 'leader'
> before you even know what that's about.

Now you're downgrading me. I think I do know what you're saying I don't
know. And don't say "nobody can know anything," now or ever again.

>
> And while you're at it, go to Joseph Kramer's Sex Seminar.
> You might learn something.

I'm sure I would. Are you implying there are people who wouldn't?

>
>`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42


Max Herman
genius2000.net

++

Re: Max Herman, www.fluffer2000.org
Dear Talkback Readers:

I deputize you all to ask internet art and digital experts what they think
of Genius 2000. They all know about it already so you won't have to do any
cold-calling.

Start with Matt Mirapaul, [email protected], and Jon Ippolito at
wherever.

If anyone says they don't know what it is, tell them it's at genius2000.net
and www.geocities.com/genius-2000.

Other notables who know about it but won't pony up: Max Anderson, David
Ross, Christiane Paul, Mark Tribe, Wolfgang Staehle, any artist listed at
Rhizome.org or Thing.net, the Syracuse University New Media Department,
Peter von Brandenburg, Peter Weibel, Victoria Vesna, Mark Amerika, Joy
Garnett, Matthew Fuller, and more.

Everyone knows about Genius 2000 at the following lists: 7-11, Fluxlist,
Rhizome Raw, Thingist, Syndicate, Empyre, and Nettime.

You do not need to be concerned about your geographic location. Every
continent with arable land knows about Genius 2000, plus my friend who runs
the search and rescue department at the US North Pole Research Center,
Brennan Brunner.

Most people affiliated with YMCA Camp Widjiwagan also know me and my younger
sister Carter nee Herman.

If you are an entymologist or endocrinologist, you may know my father
William Herman; if you shop at plant nurseries in St. Paul MN you may know
my mother Charlotte. If you have tattoos you may know my sister Alex. If you
party in SF you may know my former bosses Peter Glikshtern and Dennis Ring,
and former co-workers Rick, Richard, Mouse, Stephanie, Ray (now at Fuse),
Abe, Gary, Jessica, Tierney, Mickey, DX, and Shawntelle.


++

_________________________________________________________________
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http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

+ If the reader will keep me company I shall be glad.
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-> questions: [email protected]
-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
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On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, natalie myers wrote:

> back with this important update!!!!!!!!!! death from San Fran……. has more to say about nothing ………… h ah aha ahah ahah ah aha hahahahahhaha a hahhaha ahh ahaha aha haha ahaha haha ahha aha haha ahahahah ha haha hha ah aha aha haha ahahahh aha ahaha ahha aha ahahaha lydia lunch was so much more interesting then sprinkle tinkle….. nobody here likes sex see!!!!! hahahahah ha ahha haha hah ahah ahha ahha haha hah ahahha hahahha hahahhahahah……………

I don't know how an illiterate twit like yourself
would know–but then again, keep rattling off.
You only have that much energy, love.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:

> Which you just gave me I believe.

Sure, and you're still asleep. What a tragedy.

> So now I know.

So now you read. 'Know' hasn't got anything to do with this sort of
behavior.

> Don't do it if you don't want to.

No, sweetheart, I addressed your idiotic behavior in
requesting. Again, you're simply peddling.

> I'm not a general, I can't force you.

Forcing others is an impossibility, dear. For generals or others.

> I said maybe, I'm not going to hate you for not doing it.

No, you didn't. You wrapped your request inidiotic propaganda,
and you continue to do so–meanwhile posing as an 'innocent'.

> > I like certain qualities in what you do. Don't abuse it.
>
> I don't care if you like me.

I didn't say anything about liking you. Or disliking you.
I don't like or dislike humans, sorry.

> He'll just kick me off if I force him again.

Nobody can force anyone, dear. This is a delusion
of the brain, and 'thinking'. If you had any 'force'
he wouldn't have kicked you off.


> But yes I like to know who's not going to do what.

Which is moronic. You're perceiving humans as slaves to
their brains, and you treat them as such.

> > Do it yourself, love.
>
> You already said that.

No, I didn't. Then is not now.

> You use quotation marks too much.

I use them as I find appropriate.

> "I am not participating in your G2K project" is better style.

No, it isn't. Sorry–avoid dictating how I should do what I do.

> Never substitute punctuation for good diction.

I am not 'speaking'.
And again–avoid dictating.

> I tend to forget stuff

Your problem.

> plus people change their minds a lot.

Learn to distinct mind and brain. Nor am I functioning from
a 'brain'. Npr am I 'people', If you want to talk to people
while talking to me, you've got your audience screwed.

> Now you're downgrading me.

No, I am not.

> I think I do know what you're saying I don't know.

Think think think. Arg.

> And don't say "nobody can know anything," now or ever again.

I've never said anything of the sort.
Rather the opposite. You're confusin gme with someone else.

> I'm sure I would. Are you implying there are people who wouldn't?

Most don't.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

>From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>To: Max Herman <[email protected]>
>CC: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Joseph Kramer's Fall Newsletter
>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:59:34 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:
>
> > Which you just gave me I believe.
>
> Sure, and you're still asleep. What a tragedy.

I meant, if BH already dislikes you you wouldn't lose anything by telling
him to address Genius 2000. I didn't mean you have nothing to lose in
general, or by advocating that people engage in talk about Genius 2000. I
don't have any problem at all if you really have something to lose by asking
people to talk about Genius 2000. I accept that you don't think it's very
good and don't want to be pushed around or cajoled or manipulated by me
asking if you want to do something.

>
> > So now I know.
>
> So now you read. 'Know' hasn't got anything to do with this sort of
> behavior.
>

I didn't understand that you are very critical of Genius 2000 propaganda. I
understand better now. Or yes, I now read that from you.

> > Don't do it if you don't want to.
>
> No, sweetheart, I addressed your idiotic behavior in
> requesting. Again, you're simply peddling.
>

It might look like peddling and not really be peddling. Or, it might be
peddling but not only that.

Coffee shop closing, have to go.

Max

++

> > I'm not a general, I can't force you.
>
> Forcing others is an impossibility, dear. For generals or others.
>
> > I said maybe, I'm not going to hate you for not doing it.
>
> No, you didn't. You wrapped your request inidiotic propaganda,
> and you continue to do so–meanwhile posing as an 'innocent'.
>
> > > I like certain qualities in what you do. Don't abuse it.
> >
> > I don't care if you like me.
>
> I didn't say anything about liking you. Or disliking you.
> I don't like or dislike humans, sorry.
>
> > He'll just kick me off if I force him again.
>
> Nobody can force anyone, dear. This is a delusion
> of the brain, and 'thinking'. If you had any 'force'
> he wouldn't have kicked you off.
>
>
> > But yes I like to know who's not going to do what.
>
> Which is moronic. You're perceiving humans as slaves to
> their brains, and you treat them as such.
>
> > > Do it yourself, love.
> >
> > You already said that.
>
> No, I didn't. Then is not now.
>
> > You use quotation marks too much.
>
> I use them as I find appropriate.
>
> > "I am not participating in your G2K project" is better style.
>
> No, it isn't. Sorry–avoid dictating how I should do what I do.
>
> > Never substitute punctuation for good diction.
>
> I am not 'speaking'.
> And again–avoid dictating.
>
> > I tend to forget stuff
>
> Your problem.
>
> > plus people change their minds a lot.
>
> Learn to distinct mind and brain. Nor am I functioning from
> a 'brain'. Npr am I 'people', If you want to talk to people
> while talking to me, you've got your audience screwed.
>
> > Now you're downgrading me.
>
> No, I am not.
>
> > I think I do know what you're saying I don't know.
>
> Think think think. Arg.
>
> > And don't say "nobody can know anything," now or ever again.
>
> I've never said anything of the sort.
> Rather the opposite. You're confusin gme with someone else.
>
> > I'm sure I would. Are you implying there are people who wouldn't?
>
> Most don't.
>
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On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:

> I meant, if BH already dislikes you

BH doesn't dislike me; he hasn't even seen me.
He dislikes himself.

> you wouldn't lose anything by telling him to address Genius 2000.

This doesn't make sense. I have no internal impulses to tell anything
to BH about G2K.

> I didn't mean you have nothing to lose in general,

Indicate it better.

> or by advocating that people engage in talk about Genius 2000. I
> don't have any problem at all if you really have something to lose by asking
> people to talk about Genius 2000.

I don't. Your statement didn't say that.

> I accept that you don't think it's very good

I never said anything of the sort. I pass no such simplistic judgements.
I simply have no interest in your attempt to turn me into G2K propaganda
seller. If I do it, you'll have to pay, and I'm not sure you can afford
the price.

> and don't want to be pushed around or cajoled or manipulated by me
> asking if you want to do something.

No, Max. This is not what happened.
You presented me with a sloganish knee-jerk.
It was disrespectful.

> I didn't understand that you are very critical of Genius 2000 propaganda. I
> understand better now. Or yes, I now read that from you.

I am not critical. Disernment is not the same as critical.
Clearly I am participating in G2K propaganda by talking to you, no?


> It might look like peddling and not really be peddling. Or, it might be
> peddling but not only that.

This is one of the things you could do better.

> Coffee shop closing, have to go.

What a pity :)

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

>From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>To: Max Herman <[email protected]>
>CC: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Joseph Kramer's Fall Newsletter
>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:59:34 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:
>
> > Which you just gave me I believe.
>
> Sure, and you're still asleep. What a tragedy.
>
> > So now I know.
>
> So now you read. 'Know' hasn't got anything to do with this sort of
> behavior.
>
> > Don't do it if you don't want to.
>
> No, sweetheart, I addressed your idiotic behavior in
> requesting. Again, you're simply peddling.
>
> > I'm not a general, I can't force you.
>
> Forcing others is an impossibility, dear. For generals or others.
>
> > I said maybe, I'm not going to hate you for not doing it.
>
> No, you didn't. You wrapped your request inidiotic propaganda,
> and you continue to do so–meanwhile posing as an 'innocent'.
>
> > > I like certain qualities in what you do. Don't abuse it.
> >
> > I don't care if you like me.
>
> I didn't say anything about liking you. Or disliking you.
> I don't like or dislike humans, sorry.
>
> > He'll just kick me off if I force him again.
>
> Nobody can force anyone, dear. This is a delusion
> of the brain, and 'thinking'. If you had any 'force'
> he wouldn't have kicked you off.

coffe shop mssr


>
>
> > But yes I like to know who's not going to do what.
>
> Which is moronic. You're perceiving humans as slaves to
> their brains, and you treat them as such.
>
> > > Do it yourself, love.
> >
> > You already said that.
>
> No, I didn't. Then is not now.

Un peu de tout.


>
> > You use quotation marks too much.
>
> I use them as I find appropriate.

However your judgment is weak.


>
> > "I am not participating in your G2K project" is better style.
>
> No, it isn't. Sorry–avoid dictating how I should do what I do.

Why you villain slave?


>
> > Never substitute punctuation for good diction.
>
> I am not 'speaking'.
> And again–avoid dictating.
>
> > I tend to forget stuff
>
> Your problem.


Nein est din problemo.


>
> > plus people change their minds a lot.
>
> Learn to distinct mind and brain. Nor am I functioning from
> a 'brain'. Npr am I 'people', If you want to talk to people
> while talking to me, you've got your audience screwed.


We all seen Solaris, me and my inferiors. Move on.


>
> > Now you're downgrading me.
>
> No, I am not.
>
> > I think I do know what you're saying I don't know.
>
> Think think think. Arg.

You can't say "arg" becaus du bist not aqui mssr.


>
> > And don't say "nobody can know anything," now or ever again.
>
> I've never said anything of the sort.
> Rather the opposite. You're confusin gme with someone else.

Computer-genius, I got ya poked. Brip brip brip.


>
> > I'm sure I would. Are you implying there are people who wouldn't?
>
> Most don't.

Here's where I say, Judson chew this man if you have teeth, which u don't.




>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

Du bist not close fuckerfacial. Un Poco. Sufficemente.






You peddle not me.



Chew on that hard, real hard, Kandinskij.





But yeah you gimme a house, I'll give ya the day's art.



Sprankly I wanna live wit Sue. I cook and frame and paint and art.




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>From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>To: Max Herman <[email protected]>
>CC: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Joseph Kramer's Fall Newsletter
>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:59:34 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:
>
> > Which you just gave me I believe.
>
> Sure, and you're still asleep. What a tragedy.




Dont p[retend to be above me chimp. I chop severe.


hnkjlahtiuqhbjgb








>
> > So now I know.
>
> So now you read. 'Know' hasn't got anything to do with this sort of
> behavior.
>
> > Don't do it if you don't want to.
>
> No, sweetheart, I addressed your idiotic behavior in
> requesting. Again, you're simply peddling.
>
> > I'm not a general, I can't force you.
>
> Forcing others is an impossibility, dear. For generals or others.
>
> > I said maybe, I'm not going to hate you for not doing it.
>
> No, you didn't. You wrapped your request inidiotic propaganda,
> and you continue to do so–meanwhile posing as an 'innocent'.
>
> > > I like certain qualities in what you do. Don't abuse it.
> >
> > I don't care if you like me.
>
> I didn't say anything about liking you. Or disliking you.
> I don't like or dislike humans, sorry.
>
> > He'll just kick me off if I force him again.
>
> Nobody can force anyone, dear. This is a delusion
> of the brain, and 'thinking'. If you had any 'force'
> he wouldn't have kicked you off.
>
>
> > But yes I like to know who's not going to do what.
>
> Which is moronic. You're perceiving humans as slaves to
> their brains, and you treat them as such.
>
> > > Do it yourself, love.
> >
> > You already said that.
>
> No, I didn't. Then is not now.
>
> > You use quotation marks too much.
>
> I use them as I find appropriate.
>
> > "I am not participating in your G2K project" is better style.
>
> No, it isn't. Sorry–avoid dictating how I should do what I do.
>
> > Never substitute punctuation for good diction.
>
> I am not 'speaking'.
> And again–avoid dictating.
>
> > I tend to forget stuff
>
> Your problem.
>
> > plus people change their minds a lot.
>
> Learn to distinct mind and brain. Nor am I functioning from
> a 'brain'. Npr am I 'people', If you want to talk to people
> while talking to me, you've got your audience screwed.
>
> > Now you're downgrading me.
>
> No, I am not.
>
> > I think I do know what you're saying I don't know.
>
> Think think think. Arg.
>
> > And don't say "nobody can know anything," now or ever again.
>
> I've never said anything of the sort.
> Rather the opposite. You're confusin gme with someone else.
>
> > I'm sure I would. Are you implying there are people who wouldn't?
>
> Most don't.
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42




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>From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>Reply-To: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>To: Max Herman <[email protected]>
>CC: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Joseph Kramer's Fall Newsletter
>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:59:34 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:
>
> > Which you just gave me I believe.
>
> Sure, and you're still asleep. What a tragedy.
>
> > So now I know.
>
> So now you read. 'Know' hasn't got anything to do with this sort of
> behavior.
>
> > Don't do it if you don't want to.
>
> No, sweetheart, I addressed your idiotic behavior in
> requesting. Again, you're simply peddling.
>
> > I'm not a general, I can't force you.
>
> Forcing others is an impossibility, dear. For generals or others.
>
> > I said maybe, I'm not going to hate you for not doing it.
>
> No, you didn't. You wrapped your request inidiotic propaganda,
> and you continue to do so–meanwhile posing as an 'innocent'.
>
> > > I like certain qualities in what you do. Don't abuse it.
> >
> > I don't care if you like me.
>
> I didn't say anything about liking you. Or disliking you.
> I don't like or dislike humans, sorry.
>
> > He'll just kick me off if I force him again.
>
> Nobody can force anyone, dear. This is a delusion
> of the brain, and 'thinking'. If you had any 'force'
> he wouldn't have kicked you off.
>
>
> > But yes I like to know who's not going to do what.
>
> Which is moronic. You're perceiving humans as slaves to
> their brains, and you treat them as such.
>
> > > Do it yourself, love.
> >
> > You already said that.
>
> No, I didn't. Then is not now.
>
> > You use quotation marks too much.
>
> I use them as I find appropriate.
>
> > "I am not participating in your G2K project" is better style.
>
> No, it isn't. Sorry–avoid dictating how I should do what I do.
>
> > Never substitute punctuation for good diction.
>
> I am not 'speaking'.
> And again–avoid dictating.
>
> > I tend to forget stuff
>
> Your problem.
>
> > plus people change their minds a lot.
>
> Learn to distinct mind and brain. Nor am I functioning from
> a 'brain'. Npr am I 'people', If you want to talk to people
> while talking to me, you've got your audience screwed.
>
> > Now you're downgrading me.
>
> No, I am not.
>
> > I think I do know what you're saying I don't know.
>
> Think think think. Arg.
>
> > And don't say "nobody can know anything," now or ever again.
>
> I've never said anything of the sort.
> Rather the opposite. You're confusin gme with someone else.
>
> > I'm sure I would. Are you implying there are people who wouldn't?
>
> Most don't.
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>
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On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:

> > Nobody can force anyone, dear. This is a delusion
> > of the brain, and 'thinking'. If you had any 'force'
> > he wouldn't have kicked you off.
>
> coffe shop mssr

Not at all.

> > No, I didn't. Then is not now.
>
> Un peu de tout.

Meaningless.

> > > You use quotation marks too much.
> >
> > I use them as I find appropriate.
>
> However your judgment is weak.

No, it isn't. And it's not 'judgement' that regulates these matters.

> Why you villain slave?

I'm neither a villain, nora slave. That's yours and Eryk's
pet-position. Also called 'martyring yourselves out in order
to add weight to your invalid 'knower' posing'.

> Nein est din problemo.

No, it's yours. Your responsibility.

> We all seen Solaris, me and my inferiors. Move on.

You may have seen it, but it missed you by a mile.

> You can't say "arg" becaus du bist not aqui mssr.

Short-circuited, Max? Just because I won't praise G2K.

> Computer-genius, I got ya poked. Brip brip brip.

Talking about yourself, dear.

> Here's where I say, Judson chew this man if you have teeth, which u don't.

Why, your teeth got broken on me Max?

> Du bist not close fuckerfacial. Un Poco. Sufficemente.

Not not close. Precisely on.
Nor are you an authority. But you pose as one.

> You peddle not me.

Oh dear, but I don't. We're back to finger-pointing.
The G2K kindergarten project.

> Chew on that hard, real hard, Kandinskij.

No thanks. It's invalid and idiotic.

> But yeah you gimme a house, I'll give ya the day's art.

Doubtful that. Just more self-aggrandizing posing.
Did I piss you off for not rallying under G2K?

> Sprankly I wanna live wit Sue. I cook and frame and paint and art.

No, you don't.

What's better you reveal yourself to be the qualities you despise
in THEM.

So much for not being part of the 'herd' baa, baa.

But then again, consciousness has never been about erroneous 'opinions'
on Nietzsche and bashing people over the head w/O having faced yourself
first.

And you're a prime coward Max Herman.


`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:

> YOUR PROBLEM

Ah nein. I've no 'problems'.
It's you and Eryk who try to 'solve problems'
and point at THEM as the 'problem'.

You want to change the world?
No, you want to flippantly peddle your G2K without any responsibility.

Here, let me put the 'World' on your 'shoulders' Atlas.
Hopefully it'll make you bend enough so I may spank your ass along the way
to Golgotha.

wink,

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:


> Dont p[retend to be above me chimp. I chop severe.

I am, max. And I'm not a chimp, unlike you.
Chop you do. That's what chimps do.
Nor do you want to get out of that state.

> hnkjlahtiuqhbjgb

Magnifiscent.

So let's see: you peddle cheap propaganda.
Attempt to martyr yourself, fancy your 'reading'
of importance, attempt to bully people (not the
same as actual ah-so), and flip out when shown
your own portrait?

Glad to have rattled your cage,
In 'service',

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

-IID42 Kandinskij @27+ wrote:

>Ah nein. I've no 'problems'.
>It's you and Eryk who try to 'solve problems'
>and point at THEM as the 'problem'.
>

The problems don't exist. I don't blame anything on "them" except in
that "they" are the people who aren't me, and I am trying to share my
questions and also trying to hear other peoples questions. I never said
there was a problem with "them." But sometimes people aren't even
interested in really discovering anything, and they are losing out on
some of the things that I call pretty and you call beautiful. I think
beauty is kind of a loaded word. I think something like a bird could get
crushed under all that weight.

>You want to change the world?
>

I want to change the way people see. The world will be fine when people
stop trying to change it and start trying to see it. I have a problem
with activism because it can be a kind of blindness, but at the same
time I support anything people can do to cause less suffering in peoples
lives.


>Here, let me put the 'World' on your 'shoulders' Atlas.
>

There's no gravity in space. The weight of the world is meaningless to
Atlas. It's all been a trick. There are no burdens.

I think that different dictionaries can describe the same thing and they
all describe nothing at the same time. Maybe Zen knows the underlying
code of reality is illusion. The West knows the structures of those
illusions. There's no reason not to try to understand them both. Why
don't you look at my art some time? Maybe then you'll have more insight
into the nature of what I say and what I do.


-e.

On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Eryk Salvaggio wrote:

> The problems don't exist.

They do, but not as you understand them.

> I don't blame anything on "them" except in that "they" are the people
> who aren't me, and I am trying to share my questions and also trying to hear other peoples questions. I never said
> there was a problem with "them." But sometimes people aren't even
> interested in really discovering anything,

Smirk.
> and they are losing out on some of the things that I call pretty and you call beautiful.

No, what you call pretty and I beautiful is not the same.
Don't attempt to alter the intent of my words;
I need no translations.

> I think beauty is kind of a loaded word.

It is. And it's not for everyone, at all times.

> I think something like a bird could get crushed under all that weight.

Hence a bird is not created to be a conscious being.

> I want to change the way people see.

Start with yourself.

> The world will be fine when people
> stop trying to change it and start trying to see it.

That's a bit too sloganish. But it does fine.

> I have a problem
> with activism because it can be a kind of blindness,

but at the same
> time I support anything people can do to cause less suffering in peoples
> lives.

Most activism is blind stabbing and actually makes things worse.

> There's no gravity in space.

Yes, there is.

> The weight of the world is meaningless to
> Atlas. It's all been a trick. There are no burdens.

Yes there are. But they're only burdens to those who wear inappropriate
mantles.

> I think that different dictionaries can describe the same thing and they
> all describe nothing at the same time. Maybe Zen knows the underlying
> code of reality is illusion.

No, it doesn't. The reference to 'illusion' is not the the 'underlying
code'. It's about the manifestation of the code. And evenso, illusion
is not a flat concept.

> The West knows the structures of those illusions.

That's ideology.

> There's no reason not to try to understand them both.

Absolutely.

> Why don't you look at my art some time?

I have.

> Maybe then you'll have more insight
> into the nature of what I say and what I do.

I have, Eryk. Don't attempt to invalidate what I say about you so
cheaply.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

We can no longer continue this session.