If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the
thing itself, but to your own estimate of it; and this you have the
power
to revoke at any moment.
With that in mind i revoke you
rode an arab as in a horse. ha ha ha
You are not being objective in these replies you make generalizations about me and my personal life that you have no idea about. you assume you got me figured out. pschologically and economically. but you have not a clue. it is absurd for you to to categorize me as you do not know anything about me. and because of this you are boring the hell out of me.you make statements based on your personal experience with a group of people i base statements on my personal experience with the work as i said before i am not interested in the personal life of anyone at raster music or you for that matter. i could very well counter anything you say, but frankly what is the piont………………..
"-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" wrote:On Fri, 23 Aug 2002, natalie myers wrote:
> alrighty then, have you ever rode an arab.
Yes, as a matter of fact. In a Ian Schrager Hotel Penthouse Suite.
> i tell you what they are somthing else.
I doubt you have the sexual experience to judge that,
besides, I don't think any arab of worth would
appreciate fucking to raster-noton 'profound' sound-work.
Unlike you, an arab of worth tends to have a far more
discerning taste than that of a sea-bottom feeder.
> i will not move further with this discussion
This is not a discussion.
> do to the fact that you insulted me
No, you won't move because you can't. All you do is yap
about things you have no direct experience with, but never-
theless you fancy yourself qualified to have an opinion on.
Nobody insulted you. Sorry if I stepped over your bourgeois toes.
Trully. Give me your mailing address and I'll send you some flowers
and a box of expensive Belgian chocolates.
But tell me which exactly offended you? My statement that you have
the musical taste of a mollusk? Is that my fault? Or is it a result
of your self-delusional state paired with a deeply ingrained
middle-class inclination to take the easiest way out? No doubt
you'll find that insulting too, as if it's my responsibility
that you are like that.
>interlude> Particular attentrion will be paid to those individuals
who show certain pathological symptoms, such as weakness of will,
'willfulness', laziness, unreasonable fears, a sense of continual
fatigue, apathy, irritability, irregular echange of substances,
obesity or exhaustion, and abus[]e of alcohol, narcotics, drugs,
and technological gadgets. >/>
> and insulting matches on this site are over done.
Dear Natalie, do you ever eat anything besides sugar-pills
and consume material which only maintains and intensifies
your pathetic state of egotistical self-satisfaction?
> I also promised not to say bad words
Yes. Everything must be sugar-coated for you.
> it is my opinion
I think it's been established that your opinions are not much
worth much as they're based on a self-indulgent self-important
inclination to opinionate, and talk about things you know nothing
about rather than any worthwhile activity.
> that when some one chooses to insult someone like that they are not
> being logical
You're right Natalie. I'm not logical. But unlike you, I have an idea
of what the proper function of logic in the human being is, and it's
not that significant. Nor does it have anything to do with communicatory
interaction. But if you had ever fucked an arab, you'd know that.
> and for that matter objective.
I'm sorry Natalie. First, logic hasn't any connection with objective
reality. Secondly, you have no access to objective reality, and you
never will via logic and via thinking.
Nevertheless, I am being OBJECTIVE with regards to the manifestations
you make available by means of your typing to this list.
> i will however take in to consideration your comments on individuals
> from raster music chalk up everything else to a difference in political
> opinion.
I don't know how you can do that. I have absolutely no political opinion
whatsoever, and were I to be involved in politics by some unfortunate
accident, I'd certainly not operate from such a weak position as an
opinion. Just because you have been trained to have an opinion on
politics, so that your energies get tossed in even more senseless
activities like verbiage about the matter, it doesn't mean that anyone
else engaged in such activities.
> If you have any other issues to take up with my department please
> refer to [email protected].
I've never had any issues with you at all.
The 'issue' if there was ever one was raster-noton.
> Thank you for your time
Thoroughly meaningless phrase.
> and remember we are always here to help.
No thanks. You're not capable of helping anyone or anything.
But like most humans you fancy that brute application of
(natural) ignorance is help.
( ps. man you are an evil ex girlfriend
No, sorry. I'm neither evil, nor ex-girlfriend.
> mastered at slander
Nor do I slander. Slander is false statements.
Unlike what I provide. Nor have I ever had any sexual interest
in Carsten Nicolai.
Why don't you address any of the statements I made on the
issue, but instead you choose to throw unbased cliche insults
at me? And since you like logic so much, don't you know
that this sort of behavior is one of the major logical fallacies?
But like most, you have only a passing familiarity with logic,
while you have a big OPINION about it.
> i am glad i do not have a dick you would probably cut it off)
Sorry, I don't engage in such pathetic activities.
Don't ascribe your personal inclinations to me.
Besides, despit .. rumors, I am not a female :)
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On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, natalie myers wrote:
> If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the
> thing itself, but to your own estimate of it; and this you have the
> power
> to revoke at any moment.
>
> With that in mind i revoke you
Yes natalie. Instant zen. It's that easy isn't it?
> rode an arab as in a horse. ha ha ha
Arabs are _horses. Ha ha. I'm sorry to hear that your sense of humor
is limited to flatness.
> You are not being objective in these replies
Actually I am.
> you make generalizations about me and my personal life that you have no
> idea about.
No, I am not making any generalizations.
In fact I addressed quite specific things–which are rather
apparent from your behavior. You make a mistake in assuming
that certain things about you are not obvious.
> you assume you got me figured out.
No, I don't assume anything, so don't project this wishful thinking
on your part. I responded directly to instances of your behavior.
Again–funny–what does this have to do with the original issue?
Nothing. It's alla bout you-you-you-and your ego.
> pschologically and economically.
I don't care for phsychology, dear, nor about economics.
> but you have not a clue.
Actually I do. You're not that hidden. You think it's safe
to sit and type behind a monitor and nobody can glean anything
about you? Think again. You're transparently obvious 24 /7.
> it is absurd for you to to categorize me
I haven't categorized you at all. Nevertheless certain elements of
your exhibited surface / ego behavior are categorizable.
> as you do not know anything about me.
Actually I do. I've spoken to you. Again, you suffer from the
mistake that most people make thinking you're hidden online..
behind e-mail, your monitor, nicknames, etc. You're not.
> and because of this you are boring the hell out of me.
Yes I totally regret boring the snot oit of a spoiled
middle-calls teenager.
> you make statements based on your personal experience with a group of people
No, natalie. I make statements based on direct experience–which hasn't
got anything to do with me personally.
> i base statements on my personal experience with the work
You and I are not comparable.
> as i said before i am not interested in the personal life
This is not their PERSONAL LIFE. This is their behavior as ARTISTS.
maybe it's not clear to you what artistic integerity is, and that
these people should be responsible and accountable for their actions,
and this is truly sad.
> of anyone at raster music or you for that matter.
Nor have I broached upon these people's 'personal' life. Or mine.
So what are you babbling on about? carsten Nicolai's behavior
at Ars Electronica is not his 'personal life'. His relationships
with other musicians as artists are NOT his 'personal life'.
Dear Natalie, if I came over and shot you now, could you please
leave a note for the police explaining that this is 'our personal
relatiobship'? Thank you.
> i could very well counter anything you say, but frankly what is the piont………………..
No you couldn't. You're just posing. And if you claim that you can
counter my statements about raster-noton meetings to which you've never
been present, you're clearly cuckoo.
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everything coming from every where is so meaningless and yet so clever. are you involved with coco fusco in anyway? have you sat in meeting with her. how do you feel about her work? performance pollitical activist social commentary for the upper middle class on women workers in mexico and other places.for or agianst neo liberalism? for or against globalization. you see if all places are the same(generally speaking ) than there is no authenticity (exception given for variables.) i was inspired by raster notons commentary on this with design and packaging if this is what i like then i like your drawing. The idea of packaging the unauthentic is great or rather packaging nothing. like dj. Cam, kruder and dorfmiester or dj. spooky but dj spooky is a variable because he is not just slipping and looping ext. he is a musician as well you could say the same thing about e.s.t. a trio from sweden.but enough of the variables. back to the unauthentic i also have in my possesion music for dreams compiled by kenneth badger. this is the repackaging gimmick i like. it is that - minus in production in sound in art that speaks to me. that says consumerism is a load of crap. but it is not dirty and in your face like say jake and dinos chapmans piece the token pole. sure i am diverse on some days that has more of an effect on me then the sound pieces compiled by raster music. now then specific sound pieces that inspires me alva noto prototyp p - track six. this could be the sound reduction of willy nelson or barbie for all i know becuase i do not know- but you see it does not matter my brother fell out of a two story window when we were kids we were bouncing on the bed and he bounced agianst the screen and went out as he was going down he was reaching for me i could not get him. he looked me in the eyes as he fell. his head landed on top of a water spout and shattered his skull. when i went down to get him his brian was visably outside of the skull but he was still alive. blood everywhere. i spent the next three years in kiaser intesive care unit. my brother made it threw and has four kids. anyway i have never been reminded of that very powerful experience in my life threw anything art what ever. nothing could grasp that time in my life. except for that sound piece. it reminded me of everything. i turned all the lights out in my house i have no furniture and i live in a typical bauhuas apartment it even has the register on the wall like a painting. so i turn on the blue light lay on the floor and play the sound piece everything reduced to beeps and clicks and my mind is on fire i am there at that moment in my childhood where everything is graphed and charted blue and white and clicking and beeping and i am fucking numb. the air is still and every tally of sound moving around my frontal lobe is my brother falling reaching for me and i can not reach him. you wanna talk flatness you are flat. the sound piece maybe fucking around the pollitics behind it may suck ass but the piece the work is great nothing in my 28 years of being on this planet ( besides the huge scare on my brothers head) could remind me could speak to me about such a fragile state of exsistance as that work has.when it comes down to that theory shit that curator hodge pudge shit that artist screwing over other artist sucks ass but the work is what matters. how it was done why it was done your proposals all that it is for show it is for the glass bead game (hesse) the work if it is good can move out of that and for this idiotic twit it has…………
"-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" wrote: On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, natalie myers wrote:
> "The things that make you a person
>
> also prevent you from being one"
Clever and meaningless. Especially coming from you. THIS IS A SYTHETIC STATEMENT- THEY BORE ME.
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On Sun, 25 Aug 2002, natalie myers wrote:
> everything coming from every where is so meaningless and yet so clever.
Not at all.
> are you involved with coco fusco in anyway?
Yes.
> have you sat in meeting with her.
Yes.
> how do you feel about her work?
I don't.
> performance pollitical activist social commentary for the upper middle
> class on women workers in mexico and other places.
Complete nonsense.
> for or agianst neo liberalism?
For or against. I'm neither for or a gainst anything.
> for or against globalization.
For or against. Tick-tock- Flip-flop. o-1.
> you see if all places are the same (generally speaking)
All places are the same to only a deaf, blind, dumb, insensitive human
being who has been conditioned to be a cripple for decades in a row.
> than there is no authenticity (exception given for variables.)
Wouldn't THAT be comfortable. We are all faceless clones.
No wonder the Russians ex-communicated Zamyatin for writing We,
and now after he's dead and it's 'safe' that he won't bite back,
they're appropriating him as part of their 'Avant-Garde'–
meanwhile completely misrepresenting his work.
> i was inspired by raster notons commentary on this with design and
> packaging
You were inspired by a bunch of crippled victims of a dictaorial
government whose practices were to exterminate people's individual
essences and turn them into ego-robots, meanwhile exploiting their
psycho-sexual-religious impulse by propagandist art? You are
inspired by a bunch of morons who package this and sell this
as the cutting-edge of avant garde art? You are inspired by
something that extolls the mediocre, by somebody who enjoys
keeping you asleep so that he can build a career for himself
out of your 'focus-attention' energy? Are you that stupid?
> he idea of packaging the unauthentic is great
Has been done by con-men for about several milennia now.
> or rather packaging nothing.
Yes, the typical mindset of the victim of the ego-brain.
They're kicking my head around, but it's okay because *I'm clever*
and I *get it*. We area ll equal anyways. Can't wait till you
spring into some 'we, the people' populist anthem.
> like dj. Cam, kruder and dorfmiester or dj. spooky
All con-men hardly worthy of the title artist or musician.
> but dj spooky is a variable because he is not just slipping and
> looping ext. he is a musician as well
What the hell do you know about MUSIC Natalie?
> this is the repackaging gimmick i like.
We begin with a description of the BALL GAME. This is basically similar
to a game of basketball except the feet and the forearms are used instead
of the hands. The ball is made of solid rubber which symbolizes the head
of a human being and the scoring is done by passing the ball through the
hoop by hitting it.
This represents the common world where there is no visible spiritual
development and for this reason people are induced to act in certain ways
through pressure (education, advertisements, violence, etc). This plaza is
appropriately placed in the lowest point in all of the ruins and for this
reason the visible panorama is most limited.
The above applies to politics, to raster-noton, political / 'collective'
art, all of your djs mentioned, and your posing.
Yeah man, fucking around. It's so clever. Gimmicks. That's what music /
art is about.
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