raster noton

If Raster-Noton did inspire you,
how can you possibly write the following?
They're a group of very obvious Eastern Germans.
Though the idea of Eastern Europeans as
American Trash, in the context of what is_
going on, amuses me tremendously.

As for jealousy natalie, that's likely your
'inspiration' from them coupled with desire
for mimicry–I can't imagine any being with
integrity being 'jealous' of raster-noton.

What inspires you in Raster-Noton, BTW?
The fact that Carsten Nicolai can't really
create anything, enlists a roster of losers
who allow themselves to be used with the vague
promise of fame, 'popularity' and success,
kisses ass and bends over for any curator
who would have him, misprints and mistreats
the artwork of anyone involved with him, usually
on purpose–and I don't think that an artist
complaining because his-her name was misspelled
on their release even though they provided the
correct files + information is doing it out
of jealousy–and I've heard the complaint
from more than one such, excluding myself.

Moreso, carsten Nicolai invited 12 artists
in 2000 to create the 20' to 2000 series
who won the Golden Nica–the award was
given to all 12 ppl involved + they were
invited to perform–yet Nicolai pocketed
the award by himself.


So which part about raster-noton's activities
inspired you? Mistreating people, theft,
or acting like a whore? There's not much
else going on there. Oh yes, I forgot–
false humility faux-populist fashion
posing.

And one other thing, Natalie, do you have
secret dreams of being Britney Spears?


Just curious,


On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, natalie myers wrote:


> raster noton- i do not care if you are american trash men by day and telemarketers for the third world by night you have some great work creativity is screwing around with materials in my book. thank you for your work you inspired a group of us here in kansas. those other be jealouse thats all.
>
> natalie myers

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"from the very beginning the, label policy has been to emphasize publishing series and not to highlight specific persons."
This is a statement is about identity and to me it says collective whole. but in the back of my raster-noton.oacis book all artist are listed and given recognition for there individual contribution. because these individual artists were not intent on just individual success there collaboration has been a profound one. The act of sharing is an amazing thing, this is also a pollitical statement.Ever been to a residency program? It seems to me that the label offers up the opportunity for artist to create. " where the artist can work with out worrying about time or cost." this to me is great the collective is great! i am not interested in mimicking anything as i siad before i think the video work is the least profound part of this collaboration and I have my own ideas for it but it is not my project.(by the way i have only seen the video work avialable on www.contour.net) The sound is the main focuse and that is not lacking in anyway individually or collectively. I tried to find my frist post about this subject east berlin- the only thing that comes to mind is i was very close to east berlin when i bought the book and CD or collective as in east berline was communist and that metophorically is collective. you wanna talk intergrity = honesty raster-noton has been honest as far as i am concerned. it appears to me that you are personally involved here. i am not. I simply came across some work that i think is great. i do not care about the fame and curator hodge podge all i care about is the work. It is unfortunate that in collaboration some people do not get total recognition but that is part of working in a group. if you whatch the emmy awards not all members of certian groups get to recieve the award maybe only one person walks away with it but everybody knows it took a whole lot of other people to make it happen kinda like how great architecture works consider, frank gerhy he gets tons of recognition and fame for something tons of people helped him do. do you hear anything about them? no… so ya thats where i am at i am sorry you are where you are at, perhaps you should communicate directly with ivan about the matter. i am just another artist another person i do not have connections to see that any action is taken for your compliants.I mean ivan did respond to you directlly perhaps you should express your compliants directlly to him so that this matter can get cleared up.
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well,
those are very strong accusations/comments and obviously you have something=
against carsten and co…

maybe what you say is true,

but i dont think i read you mention anything about carsten and co.s soundwo=
rks..

in my humble opinion, the soundworks are excellent, both carsten and of the=
other artists, regardless of what type of person he is/they are..


my two cents

claudio chea
—– Original Message —–
From: -IID42 Kandinskij @27+
Sent: Jueves, 22 de Agosto de 2002 07:05 p.m.
To: natalie myers
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: raster noton


If Raster-Noton did inspire you,
how can you possibly write the following?
They're a group of very obvious Eastern Germans.
Though the idea of Eastern Europeans as
American Trash, in the context of what is_
going on, amuses me tremendously.

As for jealousy natalie, that's likely your
'inspiration' from them coupled with desire
for mimicry–I can't imagine any being with
integrity being 'jealous' of raster-noton.

What inspires you in Raster-Noton, BTW?
The fact that Carsten Nicolai can't really
create anything, enlists a roster of losers
who allow themselves to be used with the vague
promise of fame, 'popularity' and success,
kisses ass and bends over for any curator
who would have him, misprints and mistreats
the artwork of anyone involved with him, usually
on purpose–and I don't think that an artist
complaining because his-her name was misspelled
on their release even though they provided the
correct files + information is doing it out
of jealousy–and I've heard the complaint
from more than one such, excluding myself.

Moreso, carsten Nicolai invited 12 artists
in 2000 to create the 20' to 2000 series
who won the Golden Nica–the award was
given to all 12 ppl involved + they were
invited to perform–yet Nicolai pocketed
the award by himself.


So which part about raster-noton's activities
inspired you? Mistreating people, theft,
or acting like a whore? There's not much
else going on there. Oh yes, I forgot–
false humility faux-populist fashion
posing.

And one other thing, Natalie, do you have
secret dreams of being Britney Spears?


Just curious,


On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, natalie myers wrote:


> raster noton- i do not care if you are american trash men by day and tele=
marketers for the third world by night you have some great work creativity =
is screwing around with materials in my book. thank you for your work you i=
nspired a group of us here in kansas. those other be jealouse thats all.
>
> natalie myers

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In a message dated 8/22/2002 12:59:41 PM Central Daylight Time,
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> So which part about raster-noton's activities
> inspired you? Mistreating people, theft,
> or acting like a whore? There's not much
> else going on there. Oh yes, I forgot–
> false humility faux-populist fashion
> posing.
>
> And one other thing, Natalie, do you have
> secret dreams of being Britney Spears?
>
>
> Just curious,
>


Officially, I'm cool with Death@Zaphod lately, truly. I say rage on thunder
thighs (comic book joke), I'll try to be a sideliner, try hard I mean.

I admit I'm damaged by fantasies of one day dating J.Lo. A friend worked on
a movie with Affleck at Santa Cruz U. film class undergrad and said "big
asshole." That friend is in my video, partly to reject the image of Affleck
Ascendant. Counter-post it, step one man! Move 2. So, I bet a different
friend 5 dollars I'd date J.Lo before 2010.

If Raster is a big fat porkuloid insult and Natalie loves the work, what DOES
that mean? Desire and jealousy, envy, isn't that the marketing of desire, a
coercive controlling architecture?

I also don't object to Death insulting Natalie by saying "do you fantasize
about being Britney Spears?" Natalie's a fighter so I'm not chiming in. I
fantasize about being Britney Spears, but I recently got to like and respect
Pink for her song about wishing she was Britney Spears, "I'm My Own Worst
Enemy".

There is a poet I heard about from an arab nation, a secular poet, named
Adonis, who said in an interview "we have to create our gods. And we have to
kill them."

Infatuation has to be the worst and ugliest artistic misuse of any novel
medium. It is the soporific of progress, leads to gangrene and rigor mortis.
If I were to make a list of the Seven Cardinal Genius 2000 Sins, and enforce
them, one would be infatuation.

I'm rightly accused of being infatuated with some things that do not exist,
yet by my way of seeing that is akin to the noblest faculty in the human
brain, its incarnation.

So, to the sin of Infatuation I offer the virtue of Rejection.

Compliante,

Max Herman
www.geocities.com/genius-2000/Ate.html
(featuring a text interview with Eli Anthony, who went to UCSC with Affleck
circa '96)

++

Thanks for "illustrating" me with the reality you portray about carsten and
co. but please spare the insulting tones and the offensive answers, i wasnt
offensive to you, so please save it..

claudio chea.

>From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>Reply-To: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[email protected]>
>To: claudio chea <[email protected]>
>CC: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: raster noton
>Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:20:33 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, claudio chea wrote:
>
> > those are very strong accusations/comments
>
> No, they are accurate.
>
> > and obviously you have something against carsten and co…
>
> I don't have anything 'against' carsten & co.
> As I've mentioned to Natalie–I was around those people for other
> reasons. I simply saw what they were doing.
>
> > maybe what you say is true,
>
> Not maybe.
>
> > but i dont think i read you mention anything about carsten and co.s
>soundworks..
>
> Because they're absolute filth–and anyone who knows anything about
> sound genuinely–apart from knuckleheads trying to get ahead in the
> art world has expressed such opinions–independently of me.
> As for carsten's 'soundworks'–he does not know how to work with sound.
> I've sat at a few 'private' raster-noton 'dinners' and seen them talk
> about it. They don't give a fuck. It's all hype and they pat each other
> on the backs for getting away with it.
>
> > in my humble opinion,
>
> which is completely worthless
>
> > the soundworks are excellent, both carsten and of the other artists,
>
> apparently something's wrong with your ears–but wait, you're
> likely listening with your titillated ego instead
>
> > regardless of what type of person he is/they are..
>
> that would be only valid if these people were actually creating
> real artistic work in which they get around their egos– and i've
> personally witnessed how they create their ideas
>
> Let me give you a hint: in the lobby of Mutek 2000. Walks in
> Carsten Nicolai witha Toni Braxton record–which according to him is
> brilliant. Then he discovers that if you run the tracks through
> some software piece repeatedly with some sort of reduction
> algorithm you end ep with these glitchy sounds. Record it,
> write a snappy fashionable pretentious 'paper' about it and send it
> off.
>
> What a bunch of sedated inertia driven morons.
>
> > my two cents
>
> Which are still not worth anything.
>
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On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, claudio chea wrote:

> Thanks for "illustrating" me with the reality you portray about carsten and
> co.

This is not a reality I portray–go speak to anyone involved.
That is, if you can gain access.

> but please spare the insulting tones and the offensive answers,

Of which there were none.


> i wasnt offensive to you, so please save it..

You were. I choose to find willful ignorance offensive.

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grow up "death." your emails are often patronizing, and highly defensive!!
this is a community list. many of us enjoy the privilege of just hitting
delete, but if you don't think you can be insulting and weirdly "offended"
by fellow rhizomers' opinions, re-read your emails. – rachel


> On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, claudio chea wrote:
>
>> Thanks for "illustrating" me with the reality you portray about carsten and
>> co.
>
> This is not a reality I portray–go speak to anyone involved.
> That is, if you can gain access.
>
>> but please spare the insulting tones and the offensive answers,
>
> Of which there were none.
>
>
>> i wasnt offensive to you, so please save it..
>
> You were. I choose to find willful ignorance offensive.
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>
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On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Rachel Greene wrote:

> grow up "death." your emails are often patronizing, and highly defensive!!

You grow up *Rachel*. None of my e-mails are patronizing, and there's
nothing wrong with self-responsibility–which is what my e-mails are
and not 'defensive. Unlike your personal e-mail to me which was both:
*Hello death–I logged in to find this flame war in my mailbox,
I demand an explanation-* << both patronizing and defensive.

> this is a community list. many of us enjoy the privilege of just hitting
> delete,

Please do.

> but if you don't think you can be insulting and weirdly "offended"
> by fellow rhizomers' opinions, re-read your emails. – rachel

I am not insulting. they're knee-jerking.
I am not responsible for their inability to control their impulses–
they are. And it is THEM who need to grow up.

I'm perfectly aware that you have an agenda with having many
subscribers on rhizome, and making sure there's not a lot of hub-ub going
on, and as such you'd victimize anyone standing in your way.

But you'll never be running an art list in that manner, as art
requires sincerity, integrity and force and the growth of the individual
self–and not stifling it in pseudo-intellectualism and sedated,
pleasant mechanical slumber.

Later.


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