Tom Moody
Since 2002
Works in New York, New York United States of America

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DISCUSSION

Video of Futures of the Internet Panel


This panel was discussed at length here:

http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/18/futures-of-the-internet-a-long-summation-with-pictures/

http://www.artfagcity.com/2008/04/28/the-aesthetics-of-browsers/

I have some ideas of why these kinds of lively discussions by and about next generation net art aren't happening on Rhizome, if anyone wants to email me.

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Paddy:
A brief recap of the Tom/T.Whid fight history (simplication is not attempt to mischaracterize and I'm not in this for personal spite):
You reviewed Cory's Team show and had some critical but supportively worded things to say.
I seconded you on my blog and added some thoughts.
Commenters came on my blog and said I was hostile, nay, the only voice of hostility in an otherwise Coryphilic world.
I said calling me hostile wasn't productive.
T.Whid said you have to expect people will be mad because of the reasons you quoted above.
I interpreted this as saying that the criticism of Cory's show wasn't valuable--otherwise why defend the accusations of hostility?
Then suddenly T.Whid pops up months later cheering on the unmitigated smackdown.
I made fun of that and T.Whid exploded in curses and personal invective.
If T.Whid will concede that my criticisms of Cory were not rooted in personal hostility or a desire to hinder his career then we have no argument.

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Rob,
I didn't say "computer envy" was the only link between the two bodies of work.
You might recall that up to that point in the discussion the frames for the discussion were "Boing Boing artist," "tiki bar kitsch" and "YBA hangover." I wanted to introduce at least another possible lineage for the work, and also introduce the idea that materiality, presence, and scale might alter our reading of it since we were all talking about jpegs.
I get the sense that you would be perfectly happy to only talk about jpegs as long as we could frame it in the good ol' Art & Language way of talking about things. And that's cool--knock yourself out.
I was being devil's advocate for the work, but I can't be an advocate.
Like Paddy and Ed and T.Whid (if I can presume to guess why he seconded Ed), I suspect that it's butt-awful in person. The jpegs are beyond stupid (too literal, obvious, etc)
In fairness to the painters I mentioned, many are doing important work and aren't just producing for their overlords. I am much closer to them than I am to you and would never say something as blinkered as "scale is unimportant."
Paddy, I will address your comments in another post (or comment).

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That is, painters exhibiting in NY in the last decade...

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Clarification of the clarification (a post on this may be necessary, with pictures): Manetas has made art with the computer, but the work he got known for, at Postmasters, was paintings of computer gear. NY painters referencing "the computer or computer imagery": Michael Zahn, Shirley Kaneda, Jeff Elrod, Torben Giehler, Carl Fudge...