Tom Moody
Since 2002
Works in New York, New York United States of America

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Damon, sorry, you lost me.
What are some highly 'fragile' and [technologically] complex situations?
And why are they different from more autonomous and portable 'bounded media objects' (youtube embeds, etc...)?
This sounds interesting but examples would help us visualizationally challenged folks.

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I think the test should be something like the old Hustler "peter meter" for rating pr0n (or its female equivalent--need some help here). The higher the biological rating the more like 4chan it is. You are playing with bandwidth fire when you cross over to that industry (as you apparently found out). I've spent several years avoiding links from those sites while trying to be as "free as I want to be."

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Vijay,
Addressing some of your comments above,
My blog circa 2004 or so was not the Lialina fixed home page of 1997 but neither was it the Facebook fill out the index card of 2008.
It was a very dynamic social environment running on independent software (Digital Media Tree and its small but dedicated community of users), which gradually built up its own community from the broader web.
It was possible to drop all kinds of art into that context.
Comments and my energy to moderate them were a critical part of it.
Since 2007 I've taken a break from the awesome and draining responsibility of comments and have moved into the relative anonymity of the Word Press/Dreamhost environment for my own personal soapbox. RSS and all the search bots keep my thoughts and "memes," such as they are, circulating within the larger web melee.
I have been dabbling with Twitter for a smaller community of random art weirdness.
Just vomiting up some alternatives to the 2.0 "alternatives" here.

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eryk,
The projects you listed are not like 4chan at all. They are "high concept," requiring explanation--not punchy or lowbrow. They are what I would call "typical Rhizome-type projects." To be more like 4chan would be to be spontaneous, irrational, ugly, risking offense and censorship. And most of all, risking being accused of not being sufficiently intellectually rigorous. I think its possible to have an art like that and still be critical of an art like that. Some of the surf club members I talked to have balked at having "theory on their own pages" but I believe it's possible to work in your theory with finding "the porn of it.

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I misquoted the Noel Coward line (he speaks it but it was written by Ben Hecht and Charles MacArthur in The Scoundrel, 1935 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0026970/quotes):

"She's the only woman I've ever met who seems shallower and more superficial than I am. It'll be a perfect match: two empty paper bags, belaboring each other."

M.River: "Searching, archiving, sharing, manipulating, gaming, disruption, leveling (and on and on) - AND the internet as the field that makes it all act."

...is a much nicer way of saying "found object gamesmanship" and sounds much more compelling than "structure and context as a primary subject."

My comments about the blog as delivery system for finished artwork were made pre-YouTube and pre-surf clubs. Things are potentially much more communal now. Though I've never been comfortable with YouTube's 450 pixel scrunch, and now that the Kitchen is doing "gallery artists who use YouTube" (this from Rachel Greene, who seems to have fled her net.art years as fast as her Segway can carry her) I really want to flee, too. 544x378 (WebTV) was about finding things on Google with those dimensions (among other things), not shoehorning things into them. Now I am off topic.