Tom Moody
Since 2002
Works in New York, New York United States of America

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eryk,
The projects you listed are not like 4chan at all. They are "high concept," requiring explanation--not punchy or lowbrow. They are what I would call "typical Rhizome-type projects." To be more like 4chan would be to be spontaneous, irrational, ugly, risking offense and censorship. And most of all, risking being accused of not being sufficiently intellectually rigorous. I think its possible to have an art like that and still be critical of an art like that. Some of the surf club members I talked to have balked at having "theory on their own pages" but I believe it's possible to work in your theory with finding "the porn of it.

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I misquoted the Noel Coward line (he speaks it but it was written by Ben Hecht and Charles MacArthur in The Scoundrel, 1935 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0026970/quotes):

"She's the only woman I've ever met who seems shallower and more superficial than I am. It'll be a perfect match: two empty paper bags, belaboring each other."

M.River: "Searching, archiving, sharing, manipulating, gaming, disruption, leveling (and on and on) - AND the internet as the field that makes it all act."

...is a much nicer way of saying "found object gamesmanship" and sounds much more compelling than "structure and context as a primary subject."

My comments about the blog as delivery system for finished artwork were made pre-YouTube and pre-surf clubs. Things are potentially much more communal now. Though I've never been comfortable with YouTube's 450 pixel scrunch, and now that the Kitchen is doing "gallery artists who use YouTube" (this from Rachel Greene, who seems to have fled her net.art years as fast as her Segway can carry her) I really want to flee, too. 544x378 (WebTV) was about finding things on Google with those dimensions (among other things), not shoehorning things into them. Now I am off topic.

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Joel,
It's hard work. A critic would take Vijay's description of 4chan, Olia's description of Vernacular 2.0, blog commentary on Paddy's and my blogs and whatever else is on table, including the surf clubs themselves, and break down the work described in those sources according to whether it is studio practice, post-studio practice, or techno-socializing. Personally I think the level of criticism is higher than ______, you just have to look at a lot of sources.

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That comment was addressed to T.Whid, not Tracky.

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I made fun of you on the earlier thread for egging Ed on in his "smackdown" of a poor artist, after you indignantly defended a "smackee" on my blog. You chose to be grievously insulted and have been harping on me harping ever since. No one can follow any of this at this point, so we just seem like two empty paper bags berating each other (to quote Noel Coward). I think we should avoid all contact in the future. When we do the panel next month we should sit at opposite sides of the table.