Tom Moody
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Net 2.0 and new stuff


Possibly you missed the Web Art 2.0 discussion where we were talking about the Net as a "medium that works across media" (Damon Zucconi's phrase). The Net is computer culture to most people, everyone knows what a "dot com" is, for example, and if you can't get on the Net you call the Geek Squad. As for digital rendering not being a culture, talk to an analog audiophile.

Ethan, let's just leave it that you and I are from different camps and probably do not agree what's even worth arguing about. Hackers vs Defaults, Net Art 1.0 vs Net Art 2.0, or whatever you want to call it.

But thanks for suggesting these phrases:

"Computer culture is their medium, or so they say."

"They interpret the culture of digital rendering, which some see as only a method (or so they say)."


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Net 2.0 and new stuff


No, I'm in agreement with Joe that the field is the whole spectrum of computer culture, including digital rendering of video, etc. Interactivity and data mining are practiced by corporate entities for the "wrong" reasons just as much as they may be practiced by artists for the "right" reasons. The "low fi," "defaults" position of critique is as much from within as without.

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Net 2.0 and new stuff


Knowing more is generally better than knowing less but I don't think that translates into needing to know c++ to be an effective computer artist."

c++ or any other language.

A "computer artist" might hate computers and the strength of his/her art might come from working in a field whose assumptions s/he questions. This [hypothetical] artist might use a "shrinkwrapped" program "wrong" without having a clue how the thing is programmed and create the "computer art" equivalent of Pollock's Guggenheim mural while an earnest artist-programmer team is merely churning out grant-friendly mood music.

This hypothetical artist might also teach herself a language as necessary to realize a piece (and then not talk about it) or come up with an impossibly complex series of personal workarounds to avoid learning the f-ing language.

Joe's painter metaphor is *not* overextended, Ethan. Those are three artists who all thought about how to get outside the limitations of their medium and their field. It expresses a range of reverence toward, and willingness to abuse the medium.

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Net 2.0 and new stuff


The point of Dave's list of questions is that you don't evaluate art on technique, because someone can always claim to have a more refined technique.

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Gallery" artists job out fabrication either from the outset, like Damien Hirst, or when their careers "take off" such the they need help to crank out the product. The vast majority are hands on either because they lack the business initiative or because they are still producing primarily for themselves (and/or a small collector base) without a lot of commercial pressure. Judging from recent NY surveys art materials are pulled off the street corner and arranged, not fabricated. "Found' doesn't necessarily mean inept.