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visual feedback


Hi all

I am looking for info/paper/examples of the use of feedback in systems generating images:

By that I mean when the system takes into consideration what has been drawn/painted /designed so far to plan what is going to be drawn/painted /designed next...

any Links ?

Many Thanks

Patrick

http://doc.gold.ac.uk/~ma401pt/

DISCUSSION

Re: Jackson Pollock dot orgie


Thanks
interesting comment. I have always liked "manierism". Yet both
jacksonpollock.org and AIKON production don't try to hide the fact that they are done / generated with a computer. The artifacts generated are of a style only possible with a computer. I have tried to imitate AIKON's production by hand, well I can't but it is an interesting "dialog".

ARN <info@x-arn.org> wrote: Patrick Tresset wrote:
> It is a shame that all the Charlie discussion prevented commenting on this work
> which is entertaining, clever and simple

there is something similar between jacksonpollock.org and your work:

quote: "The goal is for the final system to mimic the process developed by
the artist, rather than aiming at results exactly reproducing his way of
drawing a portrait. Nevertheless, the produced sketches are in the style of
the artist." (http://doc.gold.ac.uk/aikon/wp/?page_id=2)

Both works are directly linked to activities made by hands in a world with
some physical laws (gravity and liquids for pollock, hand on paper with a
pencil for aikon (?) ). They are ''entertaining'' because they let us think
about experiences we already had in other context, not on a computer
connected to the net. From my point of view, this is a new 'manierism'
(technique and artifice, imitation) allowed by technology.

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Re: Jackson Pollock dot orgie


It is a shame that all the Charlie discussion prevented commenting on this work
which is entertaining, clever and simple

Patrick

Vijay Pattisapu <lexicontrol@gmail.com> wrote: http://www.jacksonpollock.org/

DISCUSSION

Re: Charlie puts NMA's down...


Hi Marc,

Yes I know. And his opinion is very much respected certainly for some good reasons
My opinion on classifying what we do as art. Is that it is not my problem, or role as an artist. My role is to do my work as well a possible, and if it is art I produce or my programs produce
it will be considered as such by some people (including some critics/curators/historians) but not by all.

the above is only my opinion

Patrick

marc <marc.garrett@furtherfield.org> wrote: Hi Patrick,

I agree, it is an opinion - and should be acknowledged as such.

But it is an opinion in a national news paper which does give it a
different emphasis.

marc

> I personally find those discussions to qualify one activity or another
> as Art
> fairly sterile.
> I was recently at a workshop where Charlie was and his comments were
> certainly very intelligent but not very constructive. He seems to have
> a very precise opinion of what art should be and is (well I suppose it
> is more or less his job). I think his opinion has to be taken as what
> it is: an opinion.
>
> Patrick Tresset
> http://doc.gold.ac.uk/aikon
>
> */Lee Wells /* wrote:
>
> Art is not rare. It is everywhere. Just sometimes is not well
> thought out.
>
>
> On 8/18/06 9:52 AM, "bram" wrote:
>
> > Art is a closed system that only sees what it already knows. (And is
> > very badly equipped to access new information)
> >
> > I think we have to defend new media art
> > we will have to be missionaries
> > we will have to educate
> >
> > we will have to infiltrate
> > we will have to explain
> > we will have to promote early netart
> >
> > And at the same time we should go on to intertwine different
> spheres,
> > to develop new ways of seeing the same, never seen before, to
> > experiment beyond techniques, to develop new ways of generating
> sense.
> > Don't forget we (at least some of us) are on the internet because we
> > don't want to have "art" as our only customer, consumer nor as the
> > most important vector by which we work.
> >
> > Yet, we want recognition from the art world because that's the place
> > we feel at home (at least some of us)
> >
> > Restart reading at the beginning.
> >
> > Annie Abrahams
> >
> > PS 1
> > What's wrong with watercolours? I would be delighted if as many
> people
> > wanted to learn coding as watercolours. One can make cutting
> edge art
> > in watercolours, but it's rare.
> >
> > Art is rare. So the article does not disappoint me. It talks
> about new
> > media. We exist!
> >
> > PS 2
> > Please ARN explain us a bit more about your poietic aggregator?
> > Indeed, how many persons are behind?
> > Tell me why this is more than just another way to produce beautiful
> > abstract images?
> > I would like to have them too :)
> > - Hide quoted text -
> >
> >
> > On 8/18/06, ARN wrote:
> >> another quote:
> >> "The web, Charlie says, has the alarming potential of realising
> the idea of
> >> the artist Joseph Beuys, that everyone is an artist. This could
> spell the
> >> end of art as we know it, when everyone becomes a producer and
> we all drown
> >> in a sea of mediocrity made up of billions of minutely-niched
> microchannels."
> >>
> >> i think this is great, so will better write:
> >>
> >> "when everyone becomes a producer and we all grow in a great sea of
> >> experimentations made up of billions of creative microchannels."
> >>
> >> why being so alarmed by JB (& others) idea , Charlie ?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> marc wrote:
> >>> Wow - and now we have Charlie Gere putting us all down.
> >>>
> >>> "So are artists at the cutting edge of new-media technology?
> No, says
> >>> Charlie. One of the problems is that other stuff on the net is
> so much
> >>> more mind-blowing. A site such as Google Earth is so much more
> awesome
> >>> and thought-provoking than something an arty hacktivist can
> knock up on
> >>> her PC."
> >>>
> >>> I would love to have an open discussion with him about this
> stuff this
> >>> on-line.
> >>>
> >>>
> http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/mtaa/~3/13468813/the_times_uk_does_new_media.
> >>> html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Also check rhizome front page...
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Charlie, we love you two ;-)
> >>>
> >>> marc
> >>>
> >>
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Re: Charlie puts NMA's down...


I personally find those discussions to qualify one activity or another as Art
fairly sterile.
I was recently at a workshop where Charlie was and his comments were certainly very intelligent but not very constructive. He seems to have a very precise opinion of what art should be and is (well I suppose it is more or less his job). I think his opinion has to be taken as what it is: an opinion.

Patrick Tresset
http://doc.gold.ac.uk/aikon

Lee Wells <lee@leewells.org> wrote: Art is not rare. It is everywhere. Just sometimes is not well thought out.

On 8/18/06 9:52 AM, "bram"
wrote:

> Art is a closed system that only sees what it already knows. (And is
> very badly equipped to access new information)
>
> I think we have to defend new media art
> we will have to be missionaries
> we will have to educate
>
> we will have to infiltrate
> we will have to explain
> we will have to promote early netart
>
> And at the same time we should go on to intertwine different spheres,
> to develop new ways of seeing the same, never seen before, to
> experiment beyond techniques, to develop new ways of generating sense.
> Don't forget we (at least some of us) are on the internet because we
> don't want to have "art" as our only customer, consumer nor as the
> most important vector by which we work.
>
> Yet, we want recognition from the art world because that's the place
> we feel at home (at least some of us)
>
> Restart reading at the beginning.
>
> Annie Abrahams
>
> PS 1
> What's wrong with watercolours? I would be delighted if as many people
> wanted to learn coding as watercolours. One can make cutting edge art
> in watercolours, but it's rare.
>
> Art is rare. So the article does not disappoint me. It talks about new
> media. We exist!
>
> PS 2
> Please ARN explain us a bit more about your poietic aggregator?
> Indeed, how many persons are behind?
> Tell me why this is more than just another way to produce beautiful
> abstract images?
> I would like to have them too :)
> - Hide quoted text -
>
>
> On 8/18/06, ARN wrote:
>> another quote:
>> "The web, Charlie says, has the alarming potential of realising the idea of
>> the artist Joseph Beuys, that everyone is an artist. This could spell the
>> end of art as we know it, when everyone becomes a producer and we all drown
>> in a sea of mediocrity made up of billions of minutely-niched microchannels."
>>
>> i think this is great, so will better write:
>>
>> "when everyone becomes a producer and we all grow in a great sea of
>> experimentations made up of billions of creative microchannels."
>>
>> why being so alarmed by JB (& others) idea , Charlie ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> marc wrote:
>>> Wow - and now we have Charlie Gere putting us all down.
>>>
>>> "So are artists at the cutting edge of new-media technology? No, says
>>> Charlie. One of the problems is that other stuff on the net is so much
>>> more mind-blowing. A site such as Google Earth is so much more awesome
>>> and thought-provoking than something an arty hacktivist can knock up on
>>> her PC."
>>>
>>> I would love to have an open discussion with him about this stuff this
>>> on-line.
>>>
>>> http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/mtaa/~3/13468813/the_times_uk_does_new_media.
>>> html
>>>
>>>
>>> Also check rhizome front page...
>>>
>>> Thanks Charlie, we love you two ;-)
>>>
>>> marc
>>>
>>
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