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Re: Re: Digital Culture Evening: Workshop with Cory Arcangel at New Museum


Weird deja vu
Snap!

Michael Szpakowski wrote:

> < games are now a
> full-fledged part of adult life, situated as a
> shared public culture not unlike television. >
> Is this true? I don't say it in a confrontational
> spirit -I'm just curious. I actually don't know
> anybody (even my kids, late twenties, mid twenties and
> a teen) with any sustained & declared interest in
> games - though this could well be an index of my
> isolation!
> michael
>
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DISCUSSION

2004 year of the net artist


I 've just spent the last few hours looking over the mouth-watering list of events over the coming year on the rhizome calendar.

Why aren't the events coming up not appearing on the calendar page?

Anyone?

Patrick

DISCUSSION

Re: Re: Re: commissions voting process


Totally in agreement with young Michael here, perhaps the process for deciding the theme of the commissions could take the form of a game?
kerplunk
Patrick

Michael Szpakowski wrote:

> Actually what might be really interesting and remove
> it from the level of tokenism is if the *entire* jury
> was elected by the paid up rhizome community.
> ( and perhaps if the subject of the commissions was
> decided similarly too)
> michael
>
> --- Francis Hwang <francis@rhizome.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Thursday, December 11, 2003, at 06:48 PM, ana
> > boa-ventura wrote:
> >
> > > Francis,
> > >
> > > I want to compliment you on this document: it's
> > excellent! I have only
> > > one doubt.
> > > When you say:
> > >> For example, a proposal which receives 10 Yes
> > votes will be ranked
> > >> >at 100%, and a proposal that receives 15 Yes
> > votes and 5 No votes
> > >> >will be ranked at 75%.
> > >
> > > Does this mean that i can vote "yes" , "no" or
> > express "no opinion" for
> > > piece X? In which case it is the ratio of "yes"
> > versus "no" for that
> > > particular piece that counts? Hmmm. If this is so
> > the only thing that i
> > > thought we should be aware of - and may come up in
> > the discussion - is
> > > a bit like the unreliability of studies based on
> > voluntary surveys.
> > > You're only going to answer if you feel strongly
> > about whatever is
> > > covered there - if you loved it or hated it
> > you'll answer . If
> > > you're just ok with it you probably won't.
> >
> > I imagined that you could only vote "yes" or "no".
> > You can't vote "no
> > opinion", though you can simply choose not to vote
> > on a particular
> > proposal.
> >
> > It is true that this voting system will be weighted
> > towards those who
> > feel strongly about the process and various
> > proposals. I think that's
> > generally true of all voting systems, though. I
> > wouldn't be surprised
> > if the core group of voters is only about 100 or 200
> > die-hards, though
> > I'd love it if everybody voted. I'm only concerned
> > if this would
> > disadvantage individual pieces against others, but I
> > have a hard time
> > imagining how it would do that.
> >
> > I'm less concerned about the cases where each
> > proposal gets, say, 100
> > votes. The wierd cases will be if not a lot of
> > people vote and a
> > proposal gets just 1 vote. Then its score can only
> > be 100% or 0%. Not
> > sure how to counteract that effect, other than to
> > try to design the
> > interface in such a way that the proposal with the
> > least votes pops up
> > at the top of the list.
> >
> >
> > > Doesn't this yes/no proportion have implications
> > there? But then
> > > again, is there a better alternative? I really
> > don't know - just
> > > wanted to alert y'all to possible consequences of:
> > > 1- allowing people to choose the pieces they're
> > saying somethig about
> > > it (i'm sure it would be a nigthmare but maybe you
> > could assign works
> > > to people? guess the interface encouraging you to
> > vote on the ones
> > > that haven't voted yet could be the solution - and
> > i'm curious about
> > > it.:))
> > > 2- having the ratio yes/no to influence the
> > overall result as opposed
> > > to yes only.
> > >
> > > All the best and kudos on the description of the
> > voting process!
> > >
> > > Ana Boa-Ventura
> >
> > +
> > -> post: list@rhizome.org
> > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
> > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is
> > open to non-members
> > +
> > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set
> > out in the
> > Membership Agreement available online at
> http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
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> office OF the office OF the COMMANDS office OF the film or many nearly
> time the small order where that, that is the office OF the office OF
> the COMMANDS QuickTime when into the film, is given, it gives the
> office OF the
> http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/Some_QuickTime_Movies
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DISCUSSION

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PS


Hi di hi

A limit of ellipses?

Surely not, solar, lunar, total...

I believe it was Lucio Fontana with the scissors in the beaubourg!

How about "Triumphalism, the game that brings Mousetrap, Campaign and Twister together in one decontextualised riot of fun for all the world"?

Enough already.

The initial point I was making was something about the restrictive nature of the commission call, which seems to me can only lead to work which
is a game,
subverts a game,
adolescent (whoops, could be misinterpreted) woody allenisms about games+life.

I suppose I just want more, something less like a theme and more like a concept, less like a hook and more like a point of inspiration,...
but I am the only one, the lost and misdirected.. the self absorbed

Rob Myers wrote:

> On 12 Dec 2003, at 16:33, Patrick Simons wrote:
>
> > Hi Rob
>
> Heya.
>
> > Exactly...
>
> Fuzzily.
>
> > snap...
>
> Ouch!
>
> > house...
>
> Hotel.
>
> > I believe the murderer was Captain America, in the library ,with
> the
> > reference book.
>
> I believe the progenitor was Marcel Duchamp, at MoMA, with Mozart's
> dice.
>
> > YatzEEEE
>
> = McNuggets(R) squared
>
> > Patrick
> > On the computer with ......
>
> There's only so many ellipses. I'm worried about this as I use an
> awful
> lot of them myself. What happens when they run out? Mybe if I hoard
> them:
> ... ... ... ... ... ... .. eek! Nope. They've all
> gone...
> No, wait, just a temporary shortage...
>
> - Rob.
>

DISCUSSION

Re: Re: Re: Re: PS


Hi Rob
Exactly...
snap...
house...
I believe the murderer was Captain America, in the library ,with the reference book.
YatzEEEE
Patrick
On the computer with ......

Rob Myers wrote:

> On Friday, December 12, 2003, at 02:32PM, Patrick Simons
> <patricksimons@gloriousninth.com> wrote:
>
> >My original response to the announcement of the commission's theme
> was dismissive and trite. On reflection I think I pitched it just
> about right. I see the games theme as equally dismissive ....
>
> Of what? "America's Army" is a Cultural Studies tutor's wet dream...
>
> >I just don't think that a theme which reduces any meaningful response
> to it to be banal sub industry.. games (sounds like non competitive
> sports or digital parlour games to me), or minor subversions and
> discretions... dull dull dull!
>
> Or under-examined cultural determiner.
>
> >Perhaps all that is left are responses to consumption, cultural
> dallying and the only tools I have left are puns and wobbly metaphors.
> >Shoot me now, again and again and...
>
> I saw a documentary with a gang kid expressing surprise that it hurt
> when you got shot for real. Games are not insignificant. They muck
> things up as much as film and TV.
>
> >No pun nintendoed
>
> I wanted to model Tate Britain as a "Quake" level complete with
> shootable artwork. Or "Pollock", you, the canvas and various
> distractions. Or a Futurist NPR FPS called "Boccioni's Fist". Or
> Mondrian "Tetris". Howabout a Bush version of "The Sims"?
>
> Etc.
>
> - Rob.