Patrick Simons
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Re: Re: Re: NewGenics


Hello Ryan

Oh yes

Round-up sheep dog trials never sounded so sinister......

...or almost inevitable......

"COME BY"

"comebye"

"COME BUY"

The Permapup -for those who need unconditional love but just too busy to commit.

Your faithful friend..again and again

Permapup -for those who found Dolly the sheep just so neo baba..

Patrick

ryan griffis wrote:

> hey Patrick,
> i'm sure Monsanto would come up with a catchy name like PermaPup© for
> the Terminator© gene enhanced canines.
> but it probably would only be considered if it made use of Round Up©
> somehow... RoundUp flea prevention?
> ryan
>
> On Jul 21, 2004, at 6:24 AM, Patrick Simons wrote:
>
> > I have been mus(e)ing around the idea of trying to get funding for
> a
> > collaborative project with a geneticist to produce a puppy which
> would
> > be preprogrammed to only survive for the length of the 'advent', a
> dog
> > which would die at the end of the christmas period.
> > This would I believe be a highly attractive present for parents who
> > are pestered by their kids to buy them a puppy but has the
> advantage
> > of not surviving much beyond the initial joy of recieving bit.
> > The memory of the animal would also remain one of a beautiful
> wobbly
> > pup.
> >
> > It would truly be "A Dog That Is Just For Christmas".
> >
> > Maybe Monsanto would be into it?
> >
> > patrick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ryan griffis wrote:
> >
> >> Tuesday, July 20, 2004
> >>  
> >> Dog Genome Assembled
> >> The first draft of the dog genome sequence has been deposited into
> >> free
> >> public databases for use by biomedical and veterinary researchers
> >> around the globe, the National Human Genome Research Institute
> >> (NHGRI),
> >> one of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), announced
> >> http://www.bio.com/newsfeatures/
> >> newsfeatures_research.jhtml?%20cid"00001
> >>
> >> Nearly 2,000 growers across 18 U.S. states are among the first to
> >> plant
> >> YieldGard®TM Plus corn
> >> Monsanto is conducting the field demonstration program this growing
> >> season. The program will provide participating growers an
> opportunity
> >>
> >> to see first-hand results of the technology's performance in local
> >> corn
> >> hybrids. Demonstration locations participating in the program will
> be
> >>
> >> marked by field signs.
> >> http://www.seedquest.com/News/releases/2004/july/9344.htm
> >>
> >> Chinese scientists calling for stricter regulations on GM organisms
> in
> >>
> >> China
> >> Chinese scientists are calling for stricter regulations on
> genetically
> >>
> >> modified organisms (GMOs) in China, saying the spread of the GMOs
> has
> >>
> >> become so rapid that regulation is required to minimize any
> possible
> >> risks they may pose to human health and the environment.
> >> http://www.seedquest.com/News/releases/2004/july/9332.htm
> >>
> >> APEC officials discuss biotech strategies
> >> The afternoon panel of the 2004 APEC Biotechnology Conference held
> >> yesterday saw health officials from New Zealand, Chinese Taipei and
> >> the
> >> Philippines discuss biotechnology strategies and developments in
> their
> >>
> >> respective countries and regions.
> >> http://www.chinapost.com.tw/business/detail.asp?IDP786&GRP=E
> >>
> >> MLC calls for GM crop location to be public
> >> The Australian Democrats are calling for information on the
> location
> >> of
> >> genetically modified (GM) canola crops to be made publicly
> available.
> >> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200407/s1157856.htm
> >>
> >> EU deadlocks on imports of genetically modified corn
> >> European Union governments deadlocked yesterday on an application
> to
> >>
> >> allow imports of a herbicide-resistant corn for human consumption,
> but
> >>
> >> the bloc's executive body approved the same product's use for
> animal
> >> feed.
> >> http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/business/9193939.htm?1c
> >>
> >> 'Designer babies': Relax the rules?
> >> The rules governing 'designer babies' may soon be relaxed to
> allow
> >> more screening and embryo selection.
> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/3902797.stm
> >>
> >> East African Countries Fail to Sign Genetic Plan
> >> UGANDA, Kenya and Tanzania are among countries that have not signed
> an
> >>
> >> agreement to set up an international fund to support the
> conservation
> >>
> >> of plant genetic resources for food and agriculture.
> >> http://allafrica.com/stories/200407200137.html
> >>
> >> YOUgenics: art interrogating genetic technologies
> >> http://www.yougenics.net
> >>
> > +
> > -> post: list@rhizome.org
> > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
> http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> > +
> > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > Membership Agreement available online at
> http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >
>
>

DISCUSSION

Re: NewGenics


I have been mus(e)ing around the idea of trying to get funding for a collaborative project with a geneticist to produce a puppy which would be preprogrammed to only survive for the length of the 'advent', a dog which would die at the end of the christmas period.
This would I believe be a highly attractive present for parents who are pestered by their kids to buy them a puppy but has the advantage of not surviving much beyond the initial joy of recieving bit.
The memory of the animal would also remain one of a beautiful wobbly pup.

It would truly be "A Dog That Is Just For Christmas".

Maybe Monsanto would be into it?

patrick

ryan griffis wrote:

> Tuesday, July 20, 2004
>  
> Dog Genome Assembled
> The first draft of the dog genome sequence has been deposited into
> free
> public databases for use by biomedical and veterinary researchers
> around the globe, the National Human Genome Research Institute
> (NHGRI),
> one of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), announced
> http://www.bio.com/newsfeatures/
> newsfeatures_research.jhtml?%20cid"00001
>
> Nearly 2,000 growers across 18 U.S. states are among the first to
> plant
> YieldGard®TM Plus corn
> Monsanto is conducting the field demonstration program this growing
> season. The program will provide participating growers an opportunity
>
> to see first-hand results of the technology's performance in local
> corn
> hybrids. Demonstration locations participating in the program will be
>
> marked by field signs.
> http://www.seedquest.com/News/releases/2004/july/9344.htm
>
> Chinese scientists calling for stricter regulations on GM organisms in
>
> China
> Chinese scientists are calling for stricter regulations on genetically
>
> modified organisms (GMOs) in China, saying the spread of the GMOs has
>
> become so rapid that regulation is required to minimize any possible
> risks they may pose to human health and the environment.
> http://www.seedquest.com/News/releases/2004/july/9332.htm
>
> APEC officials discuss biotech strategies
> The afternoon panel of the 2004 APEC Biotechnology Conference held
> yesterday saw health officials from New Zealand, Chinese Taipei and
> the
> Philippines discuss biotechnology strategies and developments in their
>
> respective countries and regions.
> http://www.chinapost.com.tw/business/detail.asp?IDP786&GRP=E
>
> MLC calls for GM crop location to be public
> The Australian Democrats are calling for information on the location
> of
> genetically modified (GM) canola crops to be made publicly available.
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200407/s1157856.htm
>
> EU deadlocks on imports of genetically modified corn
> European Union governments deadlocked yesterday on an application to
>
> allow imports of a herbicide-resistant corn for human consumption, but
>
> the bloc's executive body approved the same product's use for animal
> feed.
> http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/business/9193939.htm?1c
>
> 'Designer babies': Relax the rules?
> The rules governing 'designer babies' may soon be relaxed to allow
> more screening and embryo selection.
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/3902797.stm
>
> East African Countries Fail to Sign Genetic Plan
> UGANDA, Kenya and Tanzania are among countries that have not signed an
>
> agreement to set up an international fund to support the conservation
>
> of plant genetic resources for food and agriculture.
> http://allafrica.com/stories/200407200137.html
>
> YOUgenics: art interrogating genetic technologies
> http://www.yougenics.net
>

DISCUSSION

Re: Re: here's the gist: stay inside, the republicans are coming


Hi twid

Couldn't you make the windows say 'thump bush' and claim that a freak wind did it?

Patrick

G9

t.whid wrote:

> I work directly across 33rd steet from MSG at One Penn Plaza.
>
> They're talking about closing our entire office during the convention.
>
> I want to configure the windows in the office to say 'dump bush' (got
> our co prez thinking about it)
>
> But, I will have a pass to get me through the cordons, wonder what
> sort
> of mischief I can cause. Send me your ideas (nothing illegal or
> violent
> of course) :-)
>
>
> On Jul 12, 2004, at 12:15 PM, Joy Garnett wrote:
>
> >
> > see the copy of the official memo:
> >
> > The Village Voice
> > Stay inside: The Republicans are coming
> > Hurricane GOP
> > July 8th, 2004 1:00 PM
> >
> > The following memo was left on the doormats of residents of Penn
> > South, a 3,000-unit cooperative development located near Madison
> > Square Garden. [...]
> >
> > http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0428/memo.php
> >
> >
>
> ===
> <twhid>http://www.mteww.com</twhid>
> ===
>
>

DISCUSSION

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Rhizome needs to drop its membership fee and


Sorry Kate

This was my post in fact.

goddamn cookies

patrick

Kate Southworth wrote: (therefore did not write)

> Hi ryan and TWhid
>
> Why not start a new text header..called
>
> "free linking needed to rhizome"?
>
> And then we can have two conversations,
> just not at the same time.
> Best
> Patrick
> G9
>
>
>
>  ?¡?rote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > below:
> >
> > On May 24, 2004, at 3:11 PM, ryan griffis wrote:
> >
> > >> I undestand the push for removing the $5 but I dont think it
> would
> > >> solve the underlying questions, if the choice is an org which is
> > >> dependent on unaccountable trust funds or membership based, the
> > >> latter is so much more what this whole community is about.
> > >
> > > certainly, i don't think t.whid's initial question was about "to
> > pay
> > > or not to pay." i think the idea is that for those of us who
> > consider
> > > ourselves invested in Rhizome as an activity/forum, it would be
> > great
> > > if it could be expanded for temporary publics that may not be
> > > interested in Rhizome as a long term community or as a
> participant,
> > > but may have short term interests (research, curiosity, etc.).
> >
> > Ryan is correct. I don't think the fee is evil or bad, in fact, i
> > think
> > everyone should all donate by a factor of 5x the current fee (at
> > least).
> >
> > What is bad is that it locks down the free-flow of info. By all
> means
> > have a fee with features attached that don't interfere with free
> > linkage.
> >
> > But, as Curt pointed out, you *can* link to individual articles. I
> > tested this and it seems to be true (Francis please confirm). If you
> > go
> > here http://x-arn.org/artnode/ you can see a list of fresh texts
> > (click
> > Rhizome Fresh Texts) and you can also link to an RSS feed of these
> > fresh texts.
> >
> > If you click on the links from the web site you go directly to the
> > Rhiz
> > article whether you're logged in or not. (For some reason when
> > following links from my news reader I can't go directly to the
> > article
> > :( i go to the log-in screen )
> >
> > I was wrong, it seems anyone can link to any article and anyone can
> > follow those links to the articles as long as the referrer isn't
> > Rhizome or if the referrer doesn't exist. Is that how it works?
> >
> > The problem then, isn't IF you can link to Rhiz articles, it's that
> > Rhiz doesn't seem to want non-members to link to Rhiz articles
> > because
> > they make it hard to do so by not providing the tools (RSS feeds
> with
> > subjects/descriptions of articles).
> >
> > For example, if I'm a non-member of Rhizome, how do I decide I
> would
> > like to link to an article on the home page? I see the headline, I
> > see
> > a short description, but I can't read the entire thing to decide..
> > unless someone (other than Rhiz) provides me with a link.. or I make
> > it
> > myself..
> >
> > This is just kinda nutty functionality (i understand it was a
> > compromise): only people other than Rhiz can provide access to
> > non-members.
> >
> > +++
> >
> > or perhaps this is me just whining because I want a fully
> functioning
> > Rhizome Raw in my news reader so I can clear out my email box ;-)
> >
> >
> > > This is not a matter of whether members would/should pay for
> > > supporting something they are part of, but is rather about WHAT
> > > members are paying for. hence t.whid's concern about linking and
> > the
> > > future posterity of Rhizome as an active resource. Anyway, many
> > > arguments about logistics and needs/desires could be made, and i'm
> > not
> > > making any at the moment (though those desiring feeds have my
> ear),
> > > but i think it's important to not take the discussion back to the
> > $5
> > > argument, as i don't think anyone is wanting to financially
> desert
> > > Rhizome.
> > > best,
> > > ryan
> > >
> >
> > ===
> > <twhid>http://www.mteww.com</twhid>
> > ===
> >
> >

DISCUSSION

Re: Re: Re: Rhizome needs to drop its membership fee and


Hi Rachael, Francis.....

Have you/we/they ever looked at the numbers(in membership terms) needed for rhizome to become a completely self funding organisation?

I suppose I am asking what amount of money would be needed to be raised for rhizome to do what it does so well, and how many members paying $5 would be needed to cover that?

Seems to me that once a critical mass is reached, all sorts of useful discussions could be had about self organising organisations and structures, as well as free memberships for those unable to pay etc.

Obviously an autonomous rhizome (what the.. would that be like!) is not feasible at the moment, but would it be something to work towards?

The difficulty I have with the current calls for rhizome to become a more accessible or fluid institution (oh yes it is) by removing the membership fee, is that it forces us all into the hands of external funding bodies, over whom we have even less control.

Perhaps it is the curse of the middle stage organisation, caught between two tensions,
firstly that it becomes the focus of our anxieties about its lack of fluidity and openess, its inability to "interface" with the other smaller or informal orgs that we work with,
secondly that it wants to modernise its structures but within the existing paradigm, that is as a formally incorporated not for profit organisation in order to best represent internetart practice in art institutional terms.

I undestand the push for removing the $5 but I dont think it would solve the underlying questions, if the choice is an org which is dependent on unaccountable trust funds or membership based, the latter is so much more what this whole community is about.

Best

Patrick
G9

CK SHINE wrote:

> this is an interesting issue to consider. paid members can post.unpaid
> members can consume but not post. $5.00 is a small price to pay. less
> than the cost of almost anything worth having. $5.00 mandatory fee
> does not mean there is no grassroots. $5.00 mandatory fee means that
> the paying members agree that at least some aspect of the endeavor is
> worth supporting.
>
> how many participants are listed in the community directory? rough
> estimate: 3000(?) x $5.00/year each = $15,000/year to provide network
> infrastructure and content organization/distribution? a small price to
> pay.
>
> before i discovered rhizome.org, i knew nothing of Joy Garnett's
> paintings. now i do. i may not buy her work but she is known to one
> more person who may reference her work in a conversation, article or
> catalog, etc. i'll bet Joy Garnett would be happy to fork over $5.00
> to expand her reputation to a community of 3000. let's say that maybe
> only 5% of the community has shown some interest in the aesthetic
> values of her work -excellent!
>
> for $5.00 or, the price of a tasty sandwich, a mid-day matinee, or one
> and a half hour's post-tax wage as a museum guide, one can be informed
> of Joy's artwork/ideas or engage in a stimulating conversation,
> workshop concepts, market themselves/their works and be informed of
> income opportunities in fields they are truly interested in. for 365
> days.
>
> geez, i don't know about you all but 5 bucks is a meager requirement
> to maintain and even expand the capabilities our network and all it
> has to offer.